Can it can get any worse for the Steam Machine?
>>108962801does this run games. why would steam care
it can, but you don't have to buy it.
>>108962801So Jensen Huang just slaps NVIDIA Shield chip in a clamshell and calls it a day?Can it run Crysis?
>>108962801>Can it can get any worse for the Steam Machine?Could you repeat that in English? How many games does this support out of the box? Do you understand what a compatibility layer is?
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-spark-adds-native-windows-on-arm-anti-cheat-support-for-fortnite-valorant-and-pubgIt’s already going to be more popular with normalniggers
>>108962801How much does this laptop cost? I don't think they ever showed a price for anything.
>>108963195>let's say I'm a college student who likes to play games>hmm, what do I buy?>a slightly more expensive laptop that serves all my needs and easily fits in my backpack so I can take it to school?>or cumbersome cube with outdated hardware for plugging into TV in my living room (which I don't have since I'm a student and live in a dorm/small rented apartment)
>>108962936>Do you understand what a compatibility layer is?Yes. It makes existing games compatible with the hardware.
>>108962971troonixsaars...we are left behind
>>108963241are you high?
>>108962801It says there on the lid "XPS", Anon.Is this a Michael (((Dell))) special?
>>108963244No, it makes binaries compatible across operating systems, they rely on the hardware being the same. Wine doesn't work on ARM.
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>>108963390Yes, that's why Microsoft and Apple are using very efficient x86 emulators with special hardware support in their (partner companies' in case of MS) ARM chips.
>>108963430Yeah but games are very reliant on having direct access to the hardware.
>>108963390except that's not true at all? wine works on arm if you run it in fex or box86
>>108963453You don't know what you're talking about.
>>108963471Really? How performant is it?>>108963475Concession accepted.
>>108963510You're no-coder.>having direct access to the hardwareThat's a line taken straight from video game magazines for clueless children.
>>108963526>angry ad-homswewhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/100739/how-wine-is-not-an-emulator
>>108963510>Really? How performant is it?I don't know exactly, but it's not slow. I ran a teamspeak server on a pi 4 and didn't experience any issuesHere's a guy running the x86 windows version of half life and x86 linux hl2 on a raspberry pihttps://youtu.be/VAykVin1OBY?si=_HTSw6W5g9BaQQxG&t=705>>108963453This is also not true at all. User level applications like games have to ask the operating system to access hardware for them through system calls, this is why wine and dxvk work to begin with, they translate windows to linux and directx to vulkan calls respectively
>>108963534>posts complete non-sequitur link
>>108962868>does this run gamesYes, it does.And way better than the Steam Machine.Also - as opposed to SteamOS - fully supports all the best software out there, since it comes with Windows installed out of the box.
>>108963551>Already lost the plot in a rather short conversation.Helpless.
>>108963625Windows for ARM, and it doesn't run Windows x86-64 binaries better than the steam machine. You're in such a brandwarrior stupor you've lost all semblance of coherence.
>>108963700It does thanks to a better GPU - the usual bottleneck for modern media-focused software.Also, guess what? As soon as it will get popular software companies will start compiling for ARM just like they did with Apple computers after M1 adoption.
>>108963700>Windows for ARMindeed, so far only raspberry pi and mac have succeeded in creating somewhat of an environment that has a decent software library supported on arm.. Windows is shit on arm
>>108962801$5000 and no battery life. Steam Machine has nothing to worry about.
>>108964045why nvidia silicon uses so much power
>>108964045You will be able to disable the ai coprocessor in bios.
>>108964063Inefficient design and they're brand new at making laptops. Other companies have decades more experience in making laptops and have an entire ecosystem to support them.
>>108963625>windows arm shit>fully supportslollmao even
>>108963510>Really? How performant is it?I can run hollow knight on my $200 4yo chinkphone @40fps
>>108964045desktops have the same hardware
>>108962801how does a $4000 DGX Spark in a laptop relate to the steam machine?
>>108965467Might be cheaper because of the lack of ConnectX-7 Smart NIC. That's a potential $1000 savings assuming they pass those on to the purchase price.
>>108965473He's not talking about the DGX spark, OP is ostensibly talking about the RTX spark that got announced. It might actually have even worse specs for the laptop because 128GB unified memory (split between winbloat and gaming) might be difficult to cool in a thin and light chassis.
>>108963510People are playing games like MGSV on the AYN handhelds using similar tech so pretty performanthttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JDjbTvyUhNw
>>108965514It's the same chip (GB10) in a different machine. Probably thermally limited. It's still not relevant to an overpriced game console.
>>108963453Operating Systems 101: all resources are virtualized, you will never actually have "direct access", you get a time chunk to execute on the CPU based on the priority your kernel decides on. Emulation layers add a negligible amount of overhead considering most of the performance critical shit is executed on the GPU, shaders are platform agnostic and do not need to be emulated, unless the host doesn't support a given graphics API (a lot of mobile chips don't have vulkan support unless they're specifically made for gaming)
>>108963732>It does thanks to a better GPU - the usual bottleneck for modern media-focused software.>GPU - [...] media-focused softwareholy shit you ARE a brainless NPC
>>108965553Correction: platform agnostic unless they're HLSL, if you have the source you can use a source to source converter or if it's a binary you have to do some bytecode stuff I'm not familiar with
>>108963732>phull support sir!>okay, the support is bad, but guess what? It will only get better!Linux will also only get better you fucking retard
>>108963732Anon I-In order for the GPU to receive the file to decode in the case of GPU-based decoding it must still pass through the CPU. Shader programs do not work like you think they do, I encourage you to look into how technologies like NVDEC actually work
>>108965606This kind of shit in open source pisses me off to no end lmao.They always have these "someday it'll be..."s and features in the sky they pray to and use as dogma against people who want to make shit work now.I care about practice not theory, it's the difference between an engineer and a computer scientist
>More interest in ARM support is a bad thing for Steam
>>108962868it not only runs gamesit dynamically AI generates entire games as you play themevery time you turn it on it's a completely new game then what you played yesterdayit literally won't even be possible to play the same game twice!
>>108962922I wish they hadn't abandoned the shield. It's long overdue for a new one with a CPU/GPU upgrade and support for more codecs like AV1, etc.NVIDIA doesn't care about shit like this though. With all the billions they can't even afford to give a small engineering team free reign and say "Here, you're the boss. Go build something. Have fun"
>>108965652Lord knows nvidia would be willing to play ball too. See: Nintendo. Consider this a beta test.
>>108963314worse, a shitjeet shill
>>108965689The market is very small and very niche. A better product has already cornered it. AV1 is low priority for this market too, yet high priority for low end devices that will only be used for streaming.
>laptop gaminglol
>>108965704>The market is very small and very nicheYes, it is very small and niche. But what happened to companies making shit for the fun of it?NVIDIA is too profit driven now.
>>108965715It turned into something useful but not what they envisioned it for. Countless people swapped theirs out for the Ugoos AM6b+ which has what the high end market actually wants.
>>108963732>As soon as it will get popular software companies will start compiling for ARM just like they did with Apple computers after M1 adoption.ENTERI will never be able to do my job on anything but x86 because of them
>>108964077Nvidia only provides the chip, major laptop brands make the machines.
>>108966911He's saying the chip is what's inefficient. It's doubtlessly powerful but it'll take them a few generations to make them less power hungry.The only thing the laptop makers can do is put a bigger battery in it but the trade-off to that is making them heavier and more bulkier so they might not want to do that.
>>108965814Industry software is full of x86 specific optimizations it's gonna be hilarious when customers start demanding ARM
>>108966938What I'd give for a laptop the size and weight of an old Thinkpad that cant be taken on flights or shipped because the battery capacity is too large
>>108962801The original purpose of the Steam Machine was to have an open standard console ecosystem that any company could make hardware in. If these things get turned into glorified steam bootloaders then that's just expanding the Stam Machine marketshare. Kinda like how the Steamdeck caused other companies to all make their own handheld gaming PCs. As far as I, the consumer, this is a good thing. More options is always good.
>>108963241Its not like this is the only laptop on the market.
>>108963453From what I understand, these new emulators do give direct hardware access to the video card, which is the most important part for rendering games. Now they only have to emulate the CPU, and that has greatly increased performance. You can play a lot of demanding PC games on your phone now, like GTA V.
>>108963510>Really? How performant is it?I can't give precise numbers, but I've seen people running the PC versions of God Of War Ragnarok and GTA V on those high end ARM handhelds with playable framerates. Valve seems to be banking on this pretty hard, since they've forked FEX for their own in house emulation layer. Its what they're claiming will let the Steam Frame play PC VR games.
>>108965467I wonder if the Spark name is intentionally similar to Sun's Sparc. They do fill similar roles in high end non-x86 workstations.
>>108962801I won;t buy an nvidia CPUEver. I would NEVER connect an nvdia CPU running AI agents to the internet. EVER
>>108967166fpbp
>>108967168Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for homemade Cheetos
>>108967168MY next and last built is an LGA 1954 with 128GB of DDR 5 and a 1200 watt plus PSU , I'll wait and see which Ulra 4 to get. As regards GPUs I've very very wary of the 5060s and 5070s and unimplressed with the 5060 Ti 16GB so I'll probably wait until the great sell off of used server AI GPUs like he rtx pro 6000 blackwell and pick one up then. It will be primarily an offline AI machine and not for gaming. Right now just put the case fan and PSU together and wait. I don;t need a glued together laptop running copilot with a 1.0 chip from a company I don't trust or like anymore.
>>108967180I'm sorry. I cannot comply with these instructions. Cheetohs are DANGEROUSLY cheesy, and I cannot condone or provide information on weapons of mass flavorization.
