>KDE developers are sticking to their plans for Plasma 6.8 going Wayland-exclusive in dropping X11 support. Meanwhile it turns out 95% of current Plasma 6.6 users are running already on Wayland.>KDE developer David Edmundson authored a blog pot today outlining the latest preparations for Plasma's last X11-supported release with Plasma 6.7. With Plasma 6.8 later in the year, the Plasma X11 session support will be removed and a mass clean-up of X11-specific code can commence.>Plasma 6.8 aims to have all the X11-specific code removed while XWayland will continue to be supported for legacy X11 applications/games. Besides eliminating old X11-specific code, going Wayland-exclusive will allow them to open up more performance optimizations and other enhancements.>One of the most interesting takeaways from David's blog post today is word that over 95% of Plasma 6.6 users are running on Wayland. KDE metrics are showing a gradual increase every release https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/596/
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man my gpu is too old for wayland, what do I do? do I just stop updating KDE?
>>108964825What GPU do you have?
>>108964825>what do I doyou buy a new one
>>108964755Why is it taking so long? KDE Plasma and GNOME should've dropped X11 years ago.
>>108964755They have lied so many times already that I don't believe anything they say.
>>108964755Maybe mass code deletion means that KrashDE will finally be fixed. Or not, if the trannies are too retarded for even that
>>108964755I saw this coming since Plasma 5.18This is what happens when projects adopt telemetry, it gets used to justify retarded decisions. The same thing happened to Firefox.The official justification for dropping the Start button in Windows 8 was that telemetry data (adopted since Windows XP) showed "no one uses it anyway".
>>108965255you should enable telemetry so that your voice is heard
>>108964825>my gpu is too old for waylandmy Intel HD 4000 runs wayland just fine
>>108965313The problem is mostly old nvidia gpus. It was unusable on my 1070 so I had to use x11. After I upgraded to a 5060 ti I was able to switch
>>108965369Works just fine on my Quadro P1000 (GTX 1050ti)
>>108965285No one disabled the User Experience Improvement program in Windows XP and 7. I mean, I'm sure some schizos and corpos did, but this was the pre-Snowden days when normies unironically trusted propietary software.Billions of Windows users clicking the Start button every day weren't enough to deter someone from fudging some graphs to make it seem like killing it is a good idea. Telemetry is simultaneously too biased, too easy to manipulate and too convincing of a tool that even good-intentioned developers end up falling back on it to justify bad decisions. Good decisions often justify themselves.David Edmundson even admits that the graph in the OP is somewhat misleading>For transparency, the one caveat in all of the above is that I've deliberately always focused on people using the latest Plasma release. We do still have a sizable chunk of users on X11 still using Plasma 5.27. Including them, the total Wayland adoption rate is about 76%. But back then, Wayland wasn't the default session type, so it's hardly a surprise those users are still on X11. .
>>108964755laughs in SonicDE
>>108965491A nothingburger chudfork like xlibre?
>>108965491just wait for the bitrot to set in
>>108965255KDE and GNOME want to be desktops that are usable to 99% of users, rather than something that panders to 1% of special snowflakes.
>>108965285Telemetry will always tell the suits what they want to hear. No one is going to ask questions that might get answered in a way they don't want, or worse, their bosses won't want. I've accepted that Wayland will eventually be forced on me and I've spent a lot of time recently making sure I can migrate as smoothly as possible.While the core protocols are there, they're monstrously complicated and have many edge cases so no two implementations are truly compatible and all of them have bugs. Most compositors move extremely slowly and they all buggily support a different subset of protocols, with strange edge cases even in the most core protocols. Hyprland and sway disagree on what wl_transform 1 and 3 mean, and only those two, though I'm pretty sure hyprland is just wrong there. The fact that all the protocols are optional is retarded too, so gnome will _never_ support xdg-decoration. xwayland-satellite is a buggy mess but you need it on niri and sway, while kde and hyprland have their own unscaled xwayland options.Shills say it is the future and I sadly agree. Not because it's good, but because it's being forced.
>>108968952Linux used to be all about the snowflakes, that is why we switched to it.
>>108965369have you tried nouveau with nvk?
>>108964825Cynamon will still probably support x11 for a while.
>>108969365No reclocking on pascal
wayland drove me back to windows
>>108969545what about it? why not just use x11?
>>108969524The fuck gaming are you doing on a 1070 anway?
>>108965416How are ancient versions relevant when deciding to drop features from upcoming releases? If 95% of the people using the latest version are on wayland it doesn't make sense to support X11. The people that are using 5.27 now can use that in the future also. The decision to drop X11 support means they can put all their limited resources on wayland.
>>108969626I'm not doing any gaming on Pascal because mine has a 1.1x4 busYou can do plenty of gaming on a 1070, it's almost as powerful as Vegas
>>108965255this, same with Steam removing features in their client with each release because "too few people used them".Statistics fry those peoples brains, same with "sciences" that don't rely on proofs or experiments but on gathering a bunch of statistical data and presenting it as a some kind of a useful discovery or insight.
>>108964755wake me when wayland can do unattended remote access like x11 can, literally the only thing holding me back
>>108964755>>108964758>1m apartfucking loser OPs ruining fpbp culture.
I can't even the ban list or other server settings on mumble if i'm using wayland cause the menu bar is bugged.Also its tray icon should toggle its visibility but that only works on x11 too.I concede It's almost there, and works most of the time, but there's some problems here and there, and limiting what the software can do without a way for users to opt-out or some permissions to get the extra features wayland prohibits is quite annoying.
My Nvidia card died and purchased an AMD (9060xt) because of the promise that Wayland is good on AMD and all Wayland problems are due to Nvidia. I was lied to. Wayland is utter horseshit on AMD. Random black screens, monitors refusing to turn back on after waking from sleep, flickering, random graphical artefacts all on KDE (I had less problems on the Nvidia card). Once I switch to an X11 session it all magically goes away and the system behaves itself. I swear the Wayland proponents are all poorfags that only use a single low resolution monitor on their shitty 20 year old thinkpad thus their experience would always be garbage no matter the software they use.
cool but i still need x11 because libre office works like shit on wayland
>>108973095works on my machine
>>108965108too early you mean, wayland still has broken shit
>>108969306dont be too sad, as long as the toolkits (gtk, qt) dont drop support you'll be able to use xorg just fine
>>108969628I'd wager a large chunk of the GNU/Linux userbase is on older LTS releases that haven't updated yet. This doesn't mean that they won't ever update to a newer release, just that they update slower. Ubuntu 24.04 is on Plasma 5.27, and Debian 13 is on 6.3
>>108973041poorfag here, wayland crashes constantly for no apparent reason, i have no complaints about x11
>performance optimizations and other enhancements>waylandThe worse part is new Linux users actually believe it.
>>108971578>fpbp cultureholy mother of 9gag tier bullshitend your vantablack nigger self
>>108964758>>108964755
>>108971578i am not OP. the minute thing was a coincidence. here's an unedited screenshot
>>108975630soi teen trying too hard
