>>108969066
>Oh wow every phone can be brute forced by israeli spyware
>Wait I got it! There must be some phone with an actual secure element
Now what fud will you post once the motorola + GOS phone rolls out

GrapheneOS requires a lot of security functionality from the hardware and not many devices support these. The ones that do (like samsung flagships) cripple them when using an alternative OS. Google is the only one that has the required features and let alternative operating systems use them.

The most recent Motorola flagships would be supported other than the lack of proper MTE support. Next years models will be supported.

>>108969066
>please explain
You wouldn't get it

shush goy

>>108969193
Will Pixel 11 and 12 be supported?
Or will they drop support for google once Motorola devices are supportsled?

>>108969338
As long as google doesn't cripple support for alternative operating systems, future pixel devices will be supported.

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>>108969444
>As long as google doesn't cripple support for alternative operating systems,
Makes you wonder why haven't they already considering they are going 1984 on Android and the rest of their online services and platforms

>>108969083
just curious, google is full with israelis too, don't want to get pager'd

>>108969457
>Makes you wonder why haven't they already
bscause they probably have hardware backdoors anyway

>>108969457
The trajectory doesn't look great seeing what they did with the pixel 10 and AOSP in general regarding publishing sources. In any case, don't expect new pixel devices to be supported immediately. The focus will lie with Motorola devices. Support for new pixels could take months depending on the work required.

>>108969457
>Have unique selling point
>Remove that selling point so you earn $0.05 per user
Sounds like a bad deal to me

>>108969580
Pixel + AOSP is still brute forced, GOS isn't

>>108969444
>As long as google doesn't cripple support
They already did with device trees

>>108969066
Pixels double as development machines, nothing else lets you unlock the bootloader of the phone without also violating attestation. No unlocked bootloader = no way to install a trusted operating system. No way to install a trusted operating system = no attestation = half of the apps on the app store don't work. I'm not even sure the app store itself will work without attestation, i've never tried it.

A way to think about it is escaping google's sight by hiding right under their nose. They need pixels to be development machines so they can't just decide "Fuck these guys all bootloaders locked"

>>108969193
No mte means the CPU won't support it and only the pixel 10 will be the most secure

>>108969457
>>108969587
>Makes you wonder why haven't
If they cripple pixels then devs won't be able to install new versions of Android as they release. They will effectively have bricks once (new version) comes out.
The point of the pixel is to be THE flagship android phone for developers. And developers have to test across a wide range of android versions while having attestation. It would be as retarded as Windows trying to restrict all software on its operating systems to the windows store, but dumber things have been done recently.

>>108969584
If they did, devs would have figured it out long before now. They use these phones in China and Russia to develop for android too, remember?

What'll happen if GOS servers were to go down?

>>108970411
>most secure
oh who gives a fuck the tyrones and pablos of the world are still running kitkat devices with 50 shades of spyware and 10 different drug dealer running and they can use their banking apps just fine.

>>108970455
It should just default to the next one. There are hundreds of them, they aren't proprietary. It takes 45 seconds to deploy according to their github.

>>108970463
They need to be replicated. So are you saying that I can run my own GOS servers?

>>108969066
No other phone lets you re-lock the bootloader while you have a different OS installed, while still leaving all hardware security features enabled.

>>108970474
>are you saying that I can run my own GOS servers?
NTA, but yes: https://grapheneos.org/source#services

Attestation Key Provisioning relies on GOS servers. What other features rely on GOS servers that can and will compromise users are the GOS servers to go down?

>>108970515
if*

>>108970515
When Graphene OS servers go down, you can very easily set up your own server to provide your own signing key.
All it takes is modifying the source code so it requires your server instead of the official ones.
Also see: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide

The dumbest retards in this board keep posting this same thing. It's fucking annoying

Connectivity Checks
Secure User Plane Location (SUPL) & PSDS
Network Time Synchronization
App Repository & System Updates (OTA Updates)

>>108970514
>>108970536
just perfect!!! I'm never going back to a normiefag device. I'm sticking with GOS. I have an S22 Ultra that I traded in to buy a pixel 10 pro xl. Arriving today. I can't fucking wait!

>>108969066
I like GOS, but I don't trust Daniel anymore.

>>108970559
honestly yeah, Daniel has already said that he's going to try to dox Rossman which is a fucking retarded thing to say.
Thankfully I don't rely on his servers so he can't do anything to me.

>>108970547
If you live in the EU, you might also be interested in this alternative to Google Pay: https://walt.is/
It's still in development, but should be rolling out over the next 3 years.

>>108970559
Just compile your own ROM, then, and run for own servers. It's pretty difficult, but definitely doable

>>108970567
what about the GrapheneOS sim card and mobile network service. iirc it's kike $100 a month or something, right? What's it called again?

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>>108970578
>what about the GrapheneOS sim card and mobile network service.
Haven't heard about any of that, actually.

>>108970594
yup, I had the app installed in my p7 pro. It's an ESIM service

>>108969066
I'm actually just about to switch over to grapheneOS on my pixel 9 pro XL. Is there anything I need to know? rossmann says he doesnt use it anymore (3 years ago?)?

>>108970567
CAPE! That's what it is.

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Ever since CyanogenMod died, the community of custom ROMs have become a shitshow.
Very few people know how to port phones and those people often use the same phone for 8 years (the irony of android specialists hating newer models is not lost on me)

>>108970604
>Is there anything I need to know?
There are some bank apps that refuse to work on it (I personally haven't encountered any). You also can't use Google Pay.
That's it. Other than that it's just Android.

Make sure you get Aurora Store to replace the Play Store, get Obtainium to automatically updates apps installed from placed like Github and use Morphe to get ad-free Youtube and Youtube Music if you're forced to socialize with normalfags like me.

CAPE is recommended to be paired with GOS, because it offers Dynamic IMSI Rotation, No Name or SSN Required and Encrypted Core Network.

>>108970626
what is the difference bettwen those apps and f-droid?

>>108969066
When I use to be a black boy, it was never about finding a """secure""" phone but rather blending in with normalfaggots.

Sure, Google is one of the biggest data brokers to ever exist. But at least they make useful services, trying to run from big tech is like painting a giant target on your back saying I have something to hide.

>>108970626
This fud is still being spread? Jfc none of this is true. stop lying you faggot ass jew

>>108970626
>There are some bank apps that refuse to work on it (I personally haven't encountered any). You also can't use Google Pay.
ah i never set up google pay, if my bank app works then i should be all set i think.

>aurora
will do, i usually get my apps from fdroid though
>morphe
is it open source/ better than newpipe?

ty heaps

>>108970631
>CAPE
not in the us unfortunately, but how can a us based courier be trusted?

>>108970424
>If they cripple pixels then devs won't be able to install new versions of Android as they release. They will effectively have bricks once (new version) comes out.
Well they already did that when they stopped publishing device trees with AOSP 16. Pixels stopped being the reference devices right there since developers couldn't flash stock aosp on them anymore.

When they stopped publishing half of the QPRs it was a dead blow for AOSP as a whole. Not sure what is next.

>>108970650
There are alternatives and other methods for privacy and security such as:

Silent Link (Best for Data-Only Privacy)If you do not need traditional phone minutes or SMS (because you use Signal, Session, or Matrix), Silent Link is highly economical. You pay purely for the data you use (e.g., $10 to $20 for a few gigabytes), with no recurring high monthly fees. The Privacy: You can buy their eSIMs online with Bitcoin or Monero, requiring absolutely zero identification (No-KYC).

Retail Cash SIMs + Mint Mobile or US Mobile if you still want a traditional phone number but do not want your real identity attached to it. Plans cost anywhere from $15 to $30 per month. The Privacy: take your ass to a retail grocery store or electronics shop and purchase a prepaid physical SIM card kit using paper cash. Then activate it on a public Wi-Fi network using a throwaway email address and a VPN, bypassing the identity trail.

VoIP Routing via JMP.chatFor those who want a fully usable phone number for SMS and calling without paying for a regular cellular plan. Usually runs about $3 to $5 per month. The Privacy: route your phone calls and texts through an encrypted XMPP/Jabber or Matrix client. You can fund the account anonymously using crypto or prepaid credit cards, keeping your real cellular data connection completely separated from your actual telephone number.

>>108970633
F-droid provides different apps than the Play Store, since they're more focused on providing open-source apps.
If you're looking for stuff like an eBook reader or a note-taking app that isn't filled to the brim with ads, you should take a look.
>>108970645
What part of what I said do you disagree with? The bank app support stuff?
>>108970650
>is it open source/ better than newpipe?
Morphe is a patcher for official apps rather than an entirely new app.
>newpipe
Consider getting pipepipe to skip in-video ads:
https://github.com/InfinityLoop1308/PipePipe

>>108969066
> six point star
> tied to FAGMAN hardware
> shilled to criminals
> fake scandals on media
> custom ROM recongnized by corpos like Motorolla
glowware
/thread

>>108970662
thanks gpt, your outdated info from 2022 is very helpful

>>108970659
They have to allow/replace it eventually. Their employees use it too

>>108970626
>You also can't use Google Pay.
the whole purpose is that you can use google services like pay

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>>108970703
I really wish that were true.
Also see: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/475-wallet-google-pay/135

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>>108970680
I don't use AI

>>108970724
ok then you don't realize that retail cash SIMs and services like Mint and US Mobile do require your real ID and have for several years. Which is a mistake only chatGPT and Grok makes when asked.

>>108970735
no they don't. I purchased two last week

>>108969066
Experts are still trying to find a superlative for the words "controlled opposition".

>>108970735
Lying Israeli faggot

>>108970662
disagree for my country (australia), therese no way to do it
>>108970666
oh i see, id rather just use total altenatives

>>108970778
that sucks m8. use the ESIM workarounds

>>108970785
>ESIM workarounds
oh i didnt see, i will have to investigate it but i doubt it will be economical and im a poor fag. most of my important comms are rcs anyway
ah speaking of which id have to run google messages for rcs support wouldnt i? thats actually a dealbreaker because rcs is non negotiable for me

>>108970806
If only "Cellphone service VPNs" were a thing, where you can piggyback off of another's service and plan via tethering for a small fee.

>>108969066
>forces you to buy a literal phone from google
This could be solved by just having a generic system image of GrapheneOS which can be flashed on any arbitrary x86 or ARM device.

>>108971197
>This could be solved by just having a generic system image of GrapheneOS which can be flashed on any arbitrary x86 or ARM device.
isnt the issue that googles the only one putting the security features in they phone that work after flash

>>108971284
That doesn't mean they can't make a GrapheneOS build for "less secure" hardware. They're just too pretentious.

>>108970537
I'm sure it's jeets posting this for scraps for feds that are mad they can't break into GOS phones easily. It gets posted and consecutively explained at least once per week. Can't wait till Motorola support is added so these faggots lose their only talking point.

>>108969066
Shhh, you weren't supposed to notice!

>>108971372
why not just use lineageos at that point? also supporting a bajillion devices does two bad things
1) spreads resources way too thin
2) invites a lot of a certain type of people to spam forums

>>108969066
>???? please explain
They are the only phones with good hardware security + relockable bootloader. Also, Motorola is coming.

>>108971477
once you relock the bootloader can you unlock it again? like i dont get the point if you can just unlock it on a pc and change stuff around

>>108971284
Correct. Pixel phones are the only ones which can be flashed with a new OS and then be re-locked, making data extraction impossible and allowing for integrity checks (which is why almost all bank apps work with Graphene OS).

>>108971454
> muh freedom os is supported by...
> muh revolution is sponsored by...

>>108971475
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2059318382109806915

>>108971475
>1) spreads resources way too thin
No it doesn't. Android natively supports GSI builds for both ARM and x86. That's 2 additional "devices".
>why not just use lineageos at that point?
Because it lacks all the security features of GrapheneOS. As in, the software features that don't rely on hardware in any way.

>>108971480
Yes, just go to developer options and click on "Allow OEM unlocking". It will always be an option on Stock Pixel and Graphene.

>>108971610
>>108971480
You have to manually enable it in the OS first, it's not like anyone can just do this via PC, you need to decrypt (unlock) your phone first and then go to the settings, to be able to access that option. So don't worry, only (You) can enable/disable that option.

AFAIK Google/Pixel only offers that because they are also a developer platform. And they also offer an easy flashback to stock pixel again (all via browser)

>>108971610
>Yes, just go to developer options and click on "Allow OEM unlocking". It will always be an option on Stock Pixel and Graphene.

Well this may be true practically at this point in time, it is not true technically.

The allow OEM unlocking is always grayed out on any sold Pixel device with the stock OS. When developer options are enabled and opened, the OS contacts google provisioning servers and sends your hardware ids to them to check if the device is part of a carrier like verizon or provisioned to be deployed for a company for zero touch enrollment, in which case OEM unlocking will stay grayed out.

If these servers are down or the white list is removed for retail devices, not a single pixel device on the stock OS with developer options disabled can be unlocked anymore. They could even retroactively gray out the toggle if it detects your hardware id isnt white listed anymore, so in that case it will not be unlockable for anyone on the stock OS, even if developer options were enabled beforehand.

>>108971772
But I think it's not on every phone, I saw some videos where people got a brand new pixel and they didn't even have to connect it to the internet.

In my case I had to connect to the internet tho...

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Works on my machine

>>108971803
It is on every pixel phone (and tablet). Every device where it is not necessary to connect it to the internet has had it's developer options enabled in the past and may have been factory reset from the OS itself afterwards. These may have been refurbished devices. In any case, not brand new.

>>108970536
Can this be abused by malicious actors?

Someone should call up HMD and ask if they want to claw back relevance beyond whoring out the Nokia name by making a GOW compatible devices.
KaiOS sure ain't going anywhere.

>>108971610
>>108971628
thanks, that puts my mind at ease. ill try out grapheneos soon, just gotta back up all my data i guess

>>108969066
They are switching to Motorola in 2027. Both Pixel and Motorola hardware is safe. Install GrapheneOS today. Do not activate or use the Google Play Store. Use F-Droid.

>>108971849
Only if the malicious actor would set up a mirror of the entire stack and get people to install their own version of Graphene OS on their devices.

>>108969066
Also buy black duct tape and cover the cameras.

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pixel 10 pro xl is on sale... and i get a 10% coupon on top... aaah im about to fomo

>>108972091
i have a 9 pro xl and its a great phone so i imagine hte 10 is greater

>>108972091
>pixel 10 pro xl is on sale... and i get a 10% coupon on top... aaah im about to fomo
what site is that anon?

>>108972155
real-amauzon.com

>>108972091
Wonder GOS would look on the fold

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>>108972194

>>108972091
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/502262230

>>108972350
See >>108972322

>>108969066
don't summon the schizo graphene dev

>>108972639
i don't even blame them, the open source world in general really shat the bed when it comes to the mobile world

>>108973157
i'm not blaming them, but schizo graphene guy sure is blaming everyone.

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>>108969066
It's the last phone they'd expect you to try de-googling. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be going so hard to label people who use Graphene as either a hardcore criminal or an unironic terrorist. Something about this OS on this specific phone scares the powers that be...

>>108971803
Yeah, once you unlock OEM, your phone's HID is permanently registered on google's servers. They were planning to add another authentication layer to google play store based on your phone unique ID.

>>108973615
Them I'll just change the ID

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>>108973615
Do you have any proof of that? The only time information about the phone sent to google servers is when developer options are enabled/opened as far as I know. Having the OEM unlock option enabled is also independent of it being grayed out or not after a factory reset and it not having been connected to the internet afterwards. The only thing that matters is if developers options were enabled or not. Not sure if they have that registered on their servers, but they definitely can.

Ticking the "Allow OEM unlocking" can be done offline at any time once developer options is enabled with internet access. Which means there isn't even a theoretical way for them to register it when its used to install a different operating system, and thus never being booted into stock OS again with internet access.

>>108973814
Why does the WiFi need to be turned on for a while before OEM UNLOCK shows up in Developer mode?

>>108969066
More like GoyphoneOS

>>108972091
wtf i just got a refurbished pixel 8 pro for 370

>>108973814
Read into these
https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/verifiedboot
https://developer.android.com/google/play/integrity

They're not currently enforced, but the end goal is to prevent you from running certain apps (e.g banking) unless your phone is running stock oem rom