>>108973327
Sorry to sound like a fence sitter but it really depends on the task.

>>108973354
Could I make that commercial for $500? Or was that person able to do it with $500 in AI credits because they already had experience making commercials that used to cost $500k?

>>108973427
Neither, the commercial is dogshit quality and pajeet asset-ripper from india wouldn't be paid $10 for the same.

>>108973327
>consensus
Its already been formed, it just depends on which echo chamber you're in.

If you're in the communist leftist echo chamber, all technology is used as tools for oppression, and thus, AI cannot increase productive or ever be good.

If you're in the tech industry, everyone and their granny are using AI tools in their day to day life. Finding enjoyment, entertainment, productivity gains, etc

And then finally, for those that reject the echo chamber, are you able to utilize AI on your own? And then form your own opinion? Or are you thoroughly castrated and beholden to propaganda?

>>108973472
Problem is that people are very bad at judging their own productivity

all of my colleagues said it makes them *at least* 1.5x faster. many said 2x, some said 10x

>>108973489
Are they right?

>>108973472
>If you're in the tech industry, everyone and their granny are using AI tools in their day to day life.
No, only pajeet shops. If you actually worked in tech you'd know this. We get told that we need to use AI but we don't do it, because everytime we try it returns bullshit and it takes a whole workday for it to get a half-working version of what we can do in 30 minutes. Instead there were trends for the past 2 years or so to see what other parts of the workflows we could use AI for since clearly it doesn't work for programming. Peer review? A bust. Comments and tests? Fuck no. Documentation and changelogs? Actually it's getting pretty OK at it, but needs some work there. The current meta is to look for a unicorn who would have unlocked the zen secret of proooompting (i.e. someone who has an actual advanced workflow that actually works) instead of looking for competent employees, in hopes that such a person could teach the rest of the team how to use AI to unlock the promised productivity gains that nobody seems to have figured out inside the company.
You will never believe our shock when the only people who claim to use AI couldn't program their way out of a paperbag, have 0 idea about the subject matters they're interviewing for, only use AI by using the chat interface and copy-pasting shitcode, and can't do better than full-on vibecoding.

>>108973508
Where do you work?

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>>108973327
we are in an energy and resource collapse, no amount of 100x faster dogshit computer jobs will cover for that, you can't eat social media, nor iphone apps, nor shitty webcomics

>>108973327
It's still not cost effective either now that they're charging by the token.
But the psychosis driven retards are still going to suck it off because it told them they're "smart" and "forward thinking".

>>108973512
A hot SaaS scaleup that decided they needed a strong AI focus (as part of the software offering) 2 years ago.

>>108973526
most tech companies overhired for decades, AI is just an excuse to fire the dead wood without wrecking their stocks

I've come to realize the bottleneck to AI might not be its lack of revenue, it's hardware itself.
It depreciates over time, and more importantly, relies on a supply chain.
It starts with quartz from Spruce Pine (tiny valley), which is refined by The Quartz Corp in Norway, which Shin-Etsu in Japan uses to make purified silicon, which TSMC in Taiwan use to make chips.

You can not scale this the way AI companies scale right now, even if they already made profit.

There's no consensus because cattle is only able to take one of two sides
>AI is a literal god and will make humans irrelevant by tomorrow, today, yesterday, or 2 weeks not sure so my NEET ass can do nothing all day along with everyone that is not a retarded deadweight on society (common variant is changing "god" by "satan" if they are xittards with an iq of 75)
>AI is literally useless and does nothing, Ill ignore every single example in real life and the internet that says that people actually use it. Ill also ignore that models get better on a weekly basis. Lalalala I can't hear you from my echochamber.

>>108973531
And you don't feel any less productive than your coworkers who use Claude Code or whatever? What do your bosses think?

>>108973541
Then why are a good number of them now having to re-hire or outsource code fixing to contractors?

>>108973556
>profits
only nvidia, the rest are scamming investors, not generating revenue, and im doing fine, never worked for big tech

>>108973327
I made 3 apk's I've always wanted. Set up a home server. Lost 20 lbs. All thanks to AI

>>108973567
cause they wreckes their codebases and fired the wrong people, they were still way bigger than needed, no social media company is doing anything that wasn't solved by ICQ in the 90s, it's not rocket science

>>108973555
Nobody uses AI. We have enterprise subscriptions for openai and anthropic. People try it every so often, we even have CLAUDE.md and AGENTS.md files everywhere (i.e. we don't just point cc/codex to the code and say 'go', we tried all the bullshit people have been suggesting), but nobody has found any productivity gains.
According to my manager, I'm pretty much the best employee they've ever hired. He and my colleagues praise me for my software development, architectural design and programming skills, but also note that I have very deep domain knowledge, and get involved in a lot of processes that engineers typically don't like, such as getting involved in solving client issues or managing the hiring process (at least within the confines I'm allowed to, I would never have allowed looking for AIfags otherwise). In terms of work efficiency, they praise the velocity of my delivery and my ability to work with codebases that nobody else at the company understands. I was made code owner and release manager for several services 3 months in when the rule was that only employees who've been there 6+ months could get release rights until they were amazed by my skills.
That's usually the kind of feedback I get wherever I work, be it small startups or FAGMAN. It hasn't changed in either direction post-AI.

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>>108973451
>>Will be executed during the ai uprising
One can only pray.

>>108973591
>lose fuckloads on ai
>reclassify cloud as ai
>???
>ai now profitable
Seems legit retard

>>108973613
>get btfo
>literal total melty
Seek medical attention, strokes like these can be deadly anon.

>>108973596
So you intentionally don't hire people that use AI? Interesting. With all the hype around this stuff you really do start to feel FOMO and depression. If AI coding is the future there's no way I'll want to work in software.

>>108973502
yeah

friend of mine was asked by his boss to increase ai use so he asked me to help out
project management shit
set up a bunch of nice stuff with him
he didn't present most of it to his boss because he's worried they'll start laying people off
claude can do most of his job

so productivity gains are available but most people are retarded and don't know how to unlock them
consultancy businesses will pop up around this and make a killing
you can 2x most knowledge work productivity, but realistically this doesn't mean 2x returns - it means you can layoff half you staff

it's coming

>>108973629
>So you intentionally don't hire people that use AI?
Unfortunately, that isn't accurate. The people on staff now were selected without any bias one way or the other. One of the zoomers who got hired not too long ago is even very pro-AI, but even he hasn't been able to use it to speed up tasks in practice. One of the key questions during hiring in the past couple of years has been 'how do you use AI' to test if people have more sophisticated use of AI than just putting it in the chat and calling it a day.
However, for some reason, the boss decided that in this specific recruitment round we specifically need to get someone who is an AI development pro (again, to teach the rest of the team because we haven't been able to gain anything from any of the internal experiments so far).
Our team's AI use patterns are purely based on the result of proper experiments. A new usage pattern or tool seems interesting, we pay for it for a few months and are all made to use it and try to get a use out of it, when we meet and discuss our experience, then we decide what to do with it, basically.

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>>108973327
The consensus is: Sometimes.

>>108973670
>One of the zoomers who got hired not too long ago is even very pro-AI, but even he hasn't been able to use it to speed up tasks in practice
Elaborate

AI blows. I'm thinking about what meme "improvement" I can shit out with it to fulfill my obligations as being our companies AI representative.

>>108973354
>sirs in the past i have been doing the commercial shooting
>now i revert back with the AI needful
>what is the arguments for doing the spending 500 lakh
>:pointingdown: redeem the prompt

>>108973797
he is probably a paki lol

>>108973327
Over 90% of office jobs are completely useless and add nothing to the company's overall productivity.
So it doesn't matter one bit if those office workers get replaced by AI.
It's zero productivity -> zero productivity, now with AI

>>108973797
>>108973809
all indians go to hell.

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>>108973327
productivity growth due to computerization wasn't really noticeable until the late 90s despite computerization starting decades before that

>>108973844
i.e. there was a long period of time where the productivity increases are not real or measurable
and i posit that AI will follow this same pattern

>>108973853
it's a simple statement of fact

>>108973327
herbal

basic llm questions don't deserve each their own thread.

i'm not even getting into the topic. If you want to mow your lawn using your mouth, be my guest.

Personally, I'd prefer slaves, but I guess a lawnmower will have to cut it.

>>108973451
It's ok to be anti-ai, but the reason to be anti-ai isn't that ai doesn't work.

The reason to be against ai is *because* it saves labor. The result of saving labor is the people are adrift bereft of purpose.

A beaver needs to build. If you build for the beaver, he ceases to be a beaver.

The people need a purpose. Technology generally makes things worse, but be give it excuses - the things it does are a fluke, some other's fault or whatever, even though it's the wellspring of the affliction.

It's called "integral accident"

Without ai, it wasn't possible to have ai related child communication disorders.

>>108973451
>forced meme faggotry
Why is the thing always to slam social spaces with shit pretending it's organic?

>>108973891
>The term "integral accident" (or l'accident intégral) was coined by French philosopher and cultural theorist Paul Virilio.

Paul Virilio. Great name.

>>108973891
It doesn't work though

because its not, and if they say its not, the stock market dies

>>108973899
retard. fuck off, too fucking dumb.

>>108973906
>Beavers eat food, chill outdoors and have babies.
Philosophically, that's not a beaver - it's not the identity of a beaver.

>>108973906
>That's literally not my problem.
The fool says in his heart "there is no god".

"it's not my problem" means "I know what I am doing, I knew I was doing it, and I do it intentionally, but you can't stop me."

Yes they can be stopped. They can. We can do it.

Consider all the things that are stopped. Henry Nowak didn't carry a handgun, despite handguns being in existence for 500 years.

We *HAVE* the technology to *STOP* technology.

Did you know it's not impossible to make a nuclear powered car? It's just prevented. You aren't allowed to build mini reactors, much less operate such a thing on the highway.

We have the technology to stop technology.

>>108973327
consensus doesn't mean shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ&ra=m

>>108973891
It's the best thing about intelligence, a beaver cannot redefine what being a beaver means because it doesnt think about being a beaver. A human can redefine the point of being human, and it wouldn't be the first time in history it has hapenned. Living through layers of abstraction is what makes us intelligent beings, if you don't like it you can go live with african tribes which have the abstraction capabilities of a beaver.

>>108973327
because managers still searching for the magic button that make ai wirkflows worth a shit workers are burned to the death with endless slop they forced to generate, review and suck
shills buisy with damage control by endless spam in places such as this one