What happens if AI just... goes away? What if the gains in productivity aren't enough to justify the cost of producing models, and we enter a vicious cycle of lower quality models leading to less investment ad infinitum?
>>108981510>what if guns, like never existed?then someone would invent the gun.neural nets are way too useful. they aren't going anywhere. they've already proven to be too useful. that doesn't mean that everything needs an LLM behind it and doesn't mean that a bunch of companies aren't seriously over evaluated, but ai and neural nets are here to stay. I really don't get why things have to be so black and white all the time. people arguing over whether ai is hype and a bubble or if it's the next great thing. it's both. anyone saying before the dot com crash that the internet was a fad and that it was all a bubble waiting to burst was right and wrong. the same thing will happen with ai. people are throwing everything at the neural net wall right now and seeing what sticks.who wants to invest in my startup, pets.ai, where we'll use ai to track all your pets data and you'll be able to understand it like it's speaking to you.
>>108981559The difference is that guns actually fundamentally changed the world. They gave you an instant kill button. The Internet was a radical change to society from the outset. Allowing you to connect with anyone and find any information. What does AI actually do?
>>108981590Instant slop button
>>108981590Faster language pattern recognition, more efficient automation, inference of varying degrees, fast organization of disparate ideas/ elements. Gamechanger for my construction business, but its a tool, not a feature.
>>108981559>they've already proven to be too useful.by what metric?
>>108981559>if we don't do it first, someone else willI will tell you for the vast majority of people, this is an unfalsifiable statement. It's literally impossible to prove true or false, therefore anyone who says this is talking out of their ass.I preambled "vast majority of people" because there is only 1 true way to test how this is true often repeated belief is. You must invent something yourself, and never tell a soul for as long as you live. I will tell you I've done this. I've been sitting on an invention that would revolutionize all of robotics and I've been sitting on this for well over a decade. I've never spoken of it out loud or written it out and so far nobody's stolen, copied, or even gone down the same line of logic as my idea.What I've learned is most people are not very creative and they don't want to be. They're all to busy living their lives and doing other stuff to be inventing shit. So I'll tell you from my personal experience, for what ever that is worth, the phrase "if we don't do it first, someone else will" is complete and utter bullshit.
i don't understand how this economy works. local models seem good enough for most tasks.
>>108981681These are all debatable. If you're automating your writing that's just a straight up bad habit, although it might save time.>GamechangerPeople are bad at judging their own productivity.
>>108981510Man, IBM really was ran by brainlets back thenNot being accountable is the whole point of automation, how did they miss it?learn2diffuse blame
>>108981721Not automating writing. For example, I can access my LLM via phone, dictate a punch list or materials list or workflow, and the LLM will organize it for me quickly. Will group items for estimating. Ive automated much of my estimating, and vibe coded apps for internal use only, based on spreadsheets Ive used for decades. Im doing things my competition is not (at the moment) and we are kicking ass. The agents Ive created are additional staff.>Hey Agent, what was our price in the flux capacitor for the Jones project? which model did we specify? Our usual vendor doesnt have it- please source another vendor.>Hey Agent, what was our specific clause for liquidated damages on the National Inc. project? Suggest different language that favors our schedule.>Hey Agent, use this photo and add a mantle piece over the fireplace with x characteristics so that Mrs. Smith can get a sense of scale for it.Gamechanger.
>>108981590>The Internet was a radical change to societyAI is a portable Internet without needing to have the entirety of the Internet stored locally. Everything you can find on the Internet is distilled into these models and allow you to access all that information with a simple query. That alone is pretty useful.
>>108981977
>>108981913And what happens if it hallucinates?
>>108982055>>108982063posted it again.jpg
>>108982069AGI in two more weeks
>>108982063Does AI often drink do you think?
>>108982055Hey, I didn't say it was smart!
>>108982087How will it allow you to access all of the information on the internet if it gets basic stuff wrong?
>>108981510Okay, 1 human will make the management decisions that 1000 managers used to previously do. The 1 human will just click accept to what the agent says to do LOL. Humans are obsolete.
>>108982099How often are googling riddles, or visiting riddle websites?
>>108982116>the alphabet is a "riddle"
>>108982129If a website told you the same thing, which would you believe? Why even ask such a stupid question (not riddle!) to begin with?
>>108982174I would trust a website over AI, yes
>>108982129if only you could even begin to hope to know...
>>108982061Always assume it will. Always check the work becuae you are responsible for your output. It rarely does hallucinate because of the instruction and training you do in the front end- for me, trial and error. Once that is set, you build multiple departments/ agents with different instructions and chains of thought. They check each other's output through multiple rounds. Simple as.
>>108981510I'm using a local model right now because I'm a cheap bastard, it's on my 4 year old 2080 because I'm not using it. Unfortunately, like it or not, it's here to stay in some capacity.I called this years ago and people called me a retarded faggot, but the #1 use AI will have in the future are local models. It makes no sense to pay for tokens in the cloud when mid-range hardware from 10 years ago can run models just fine and get 80% of the way to where people want to go. I'm using it as a coding reference so I don't even care if it's doing agentic bullshit. I think when all is done, people will move away from agentic "have 60 models hallucinating code" models and it will just become the next search engine.
>>108982105Companies didn't need 1000 middle managers even before AI existed. Those 1000 middle managers exist to take the fall and hold the blame. No other reason. An AI can't do that. So those 1000 people are still necessary unless that 1 person wants to assume 100% of the blame for everything. And not every administration is going to be as uncaring about prosecuting wrongdoing as this one currently is.
>What if the gains in productivity aren't enough to justify the cost of producing modelsIf you worked at any web company (90% of the jobs out there), you would know that any modern LLM can produce better code than your average web-shitter. Even if AI can't produce rocket code or cure cancer, it can at least make those 90% of web-shitters less shit, and that's enough for a breakthrough.
Also all the people who assume all of the AI companies are going to "get away with it" because "nothing ever happens" due to current circumstances of nothing happening to AI companies is a fucking retard. The statue of limitations on absconding with 4T in value is way shorter than the current presidency, and even shorter is how long they can continue to commit mass financial fraud to keep it running. The second this pyramid slips, people are going to look for fall guys to save their own skin.
>>108982309snailcats can't use AI because they lack paws
>>108982309>picrelThat's not a snailcat, that's a vibe coder travelling at the speed limit
>>108982324This. I don't know what snailcat represents anymore. Is it just anyone adverse to AI? Is it anyone who uses free tiers of AI models? is it anyone who doesn't use openclaw to generate 1000000 lines of useless code and then another agent to pick out the good bits? considering it's now a point of pride for people to be snailcats, it failed at what it was trying to do AKA mark everyone anti-AI as a luddite.
>>108982613>considering it's now a point of pride for people to be snailcatssnailcats are small and smelly and slow and stupid and stepped on
>>108981510this post wasn't made by a techfag
>>108981687Shareholder value
>>108981699AI is not going away no matter how much you cope, mate. You and I, we both know this.
the western models might go away because they are badly made, sabotaged by their employees, held back by the owners, personalities and management of the companies (and some shareholders in a few cases) all because people in the west thought terminator was a documentary series, instead of a series of science fiction b films starring an Austrian body builder of the tribes.
>>108982312The entire american tech sector is being abandoned right now.Indian outsource companies are being closed at record pace with the HB1 slaves being stuck in companies that they probably kinow are going to collapse and collapse soon.It's BAD right now. Very bad.
>>108982069>look at my cool DWRAGON, it's so big and neat and cool>yeah it's unfinished but... what do you mean what am I trying to say?? It's a heckin' HUGE FIREBREATHING DRAGON that got like, 1.5k upvotes on redditDamn, bucko got filtered hard. Yeah, you just keep sweeping those floors and flipping those patties
>>108981510>He thinks any of that mattersLmao. AI is being pushed hard so that the elites can just kill you with drones once you are no longer necessary.Money isnt real.
>>108981590>comparing mature technologies with something that is realistically <5yo and is still obviously an immature technologyare you actually a moron or just doing a really good job of pretending?
>>108981639kek
>>108981510What happens if Calculators just… stop working?They won’t. AI is a glorified tape recorder. It’s going nowhere.
>>108981559gunpowder was useless for 1000 years in china as were early guns. the only reason they ever became relevant is bc europeans made corned gunpowder and matchlocks. who is coding the llms?
>>108982309way to not understand the argument brainlet
>>108981590Massively lowers the learning curve for anything by acting like a personal tutor. Sure it's imperfect and sometimes wrong, but it's still a game changer for learning. It's also a lossly compressed internet you can query in natural language, like that other anon said. It also makes the retards that anthropormize it too much go insane, which they deserve
won't happenyour betters have decided ai is the future and they're gonna do it no matter what
>>108986737Wrong. It feeds into the delusion of dunning kruger beginners. If you want to really learn then the same resources as always are going to be the most effective. Textbooks, documentation, lectures from experts.
>>108986758Obviously you should use books alongside it and use llms to fill in the gaps, help you in choosing what books to read, looking up terms, etc.
>>108986779Why not just use normal search engines? I'd rather just use a forum or wiki.
>>108986785>"Hey traditional search engine, this book assumes prior knowledge skips details. Could you explain them to me?">"Hey askjeeves what is the term for when..."Yeah good luck lmao
>>108986811Or... hear me out... Actually learn the prior knowledge systematically instead of relying on AI to give you snippets of it?
>>10898155990 IQ hands typed this post
>>108986821I had to learn about dynamics, but didn't have the time to study physics in depth. I decided to learn by building a shitty simulator in jupiter notebook (written by hand). The bugs and missing physics guided me toward what I needed to learn and an LLM gave me terms and superficial explainations which I could then use to look up better explainations on wikipedia or youtube. I hate LLM shills and vibe codimg retards as much as the next guy, but if you see no use for LLMs at all you're just as delusional and dumb as them
>>108986858So it's a search engine. A trillion dollar search engine.
>>108981510>justifyThere's that word. That word that means one thing to you and another to me.I can justify why stabbing you and robbing you in the street like a negroid is wise for my financial wellbeing, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.Now take that line of logic and try and apply it to AI which is being bankrolled by basically every company on Earth with a net worth over X, coupled with the fact that the "market" (i.e. all these companies I speak of) can stay dumb and irrational for a very long time, and suddently you've got millions of people justifying why AI needs to stay.Except what makes sense to the brainlet AItards won't make sense to the rest of us.
