what made people hate W11 so much? has it gotten better?
last straw for me was it refusing to let me customize the system tray, it literally put up a NO sign when I tried to do itfuck windows 11
I hate windows 10 and 11 equally.
I'm only going to focus on LTSC versions, tweaked with WinUtil and ShutUp10, because other versions are for retarded goycattle.1. Win11 LTSC uses more RAM than Win10 LTSC at a time when RAM costs more than a PS5 Pro2. Taskbar is laggier for no good reason3. Volume bar and network bar are combined for no good reason and cannot be uncombined and takes a long time to pop up due to taskbar latency as stated4. Taskbar, Windows Explorer and other GUI elements are entire "Edge WebView2" NodeJS JavaScript web apps for no good reasonProbably forgetting some other things that annoyed me about Win11.
>>108988973I DONT WANT AN APP STOREI DONT WANT IE CHROME EDITIONI DON'T WANT A M$ ACCOUNTI DON'T WANT COPILOTI DON'T WANT ADS IN MY OS IoT Enterprise LTSC all the wayyy baybeee I will use Linux in 2032
Win11 today is practically identical to Win10, you can even use settings to make the UI identical. It’s only an issue if you use powershell, which… don’t.
>>108989026Why are you a luddite?
A vast majority of people complain about things not because they actually care but because they want to feel like part of a group or get some kind of acknowledgement.
>>108989055Look me dead in the asshole and tell me you want this future
>>108988973i hate it because all of the useless AI garbage nobody fucking asked forfucking waste of space and resources no i don't care i want to use or engage with that filth
>>108988973Search is still fucked for me for some reason. Also if it's "the same" why change it?At least Terminal is pretty good
>>108989026My copy of Win11 don't have any of this.
Because this is better. If they brought the classic shell back with some modern improvements (not the current crap we have now), I'd be more than willing to return to Windows.
>>108989544>If they brought the classic shell back with some modern improvements"Some modern improvements" = rewriting everything in electron
>>108988973Spyware. I installed it with a local account and disabled as much gay stuff as I could.
>>108989012>3.Don't care cause now you can scroll on the indicator to change volume.>4. Taskbar, Windows Explorer and other GUI elements are entire "Edge WebView2" NodeJS JavaScript web apps for no good reasonNot really. Some elements (like the recommended list) are react native so it is JS but not a webapp and doesnt use webview they draw using XAML directly.
>>108989005You are not alone. 7 and XP were good and didn't send an insane amount of telemetry back to M$.
>>108988973I literally switched to Linux because of W10's bullshit. W11 is even worse.
>>108989338>Search is still fucked for me for some reason.Disable websearch (I think you need to do it by registry, not group policy), and then check what is being indexed. Window search for me is lighting fast.
Its that the guy that jumped from the bridge?
>>108990026bingo!i made this thread four hours ago and someone finally got it. wasn't even serious, i just wanted to bait.i swear this board is full of retarded fucking indians and llms nowadays. notice how most replies are just variations of things that've already been said? people talk just to talk, they know they add no input and post it anyway. fuck this place. fucking goyim
>>108990026>>108990049>you don't know about this random twitter user? you're a retarded jeet/bot!lol nobody cares
>>108990049I was surprised nobody pointed it out before, sad the bait didnt worked, better luck next time anon.
>>108989544That look old and ugly, straight from the 70s. Get with the times unc
>>108988973It's too late for me. I've gotten used to linux, and have realized how much happier I am owning my system instead of leasing it from a sloppy corporation.
>>108988973I don't trust vibecode to run on my computer.I don't want a webslop UI.I don't want Copilot.This is where I draw the line. Anything else I can fix with open source mods.I care about stability and performance. I cannot think of one thing Windows 11 improves over Windows 10. It looks worse, performs worse, is less stable, bloated and full of antifeatures.
>>108988973Windows 11 released in 2021, just now Microsoft is "testing" small taskbar and movable taskbar, let that sink in and answer your question of " has it gotten better?".But realistically speaking, Windows 11 past 23H2 is pretty much the same trash that Windows 10 was with 3 more programs that you have to uninstall on a fresh install.Still waiting for a modern Windows release that will match the raw performance of 8.1.
>>108990049You really think I'm memorizing the twitter names of troons who find a pretty view and take the leap?
>>108989055Why are you being nigger cattle?
I work in a factory and it broke a lot of software we use
>>108989544Too boomery, 7 is peak
>>108989012Did you really forgot about the useless new context menu where you have to click "show more options" to get to the classic context menu?
>>108990049Go back to kiwifarms, this is a technology board
>>108989026cool it with the anti semetic remarks
>>108988973>leenox font rendering
>>108988973if tis the same as 10 then whats the fucking point? dont make it you fuckerim done with gaydows and "install a new shit every two years with even more backdoors for Israel and bloat and stuff thats mroe annoying to do my next install is Linux and im not kidding. worst case i ll make a small partition to run the occasional gaydows only game once in a while maybe on another pc to make sureor maybe il ljust watch oit on fuckin youtube sicne games suck anyway
>>108990943I am using 7 right now and I hate it with every fiber of my being. Pretty much every single change they made was damage. My workflow is still crippled 6 years after "upgrading" to this piece of crap.
>>108989005I've hated windows since 7. Once they started pushing the Win8 ads in it, you just knew that the illusion of 7 being some bastion of adware sloo were totally under M$s control. I went to Linux and haven't looked back since. I only deal with this winjeet shitware as a wageslave and it is shit compared to Linux. It's fucking pathetic that I actually praised the day 11 came out because basic shit Linux has has for over a decade was now built into Windows. Of course it's slow and shitty and you can't move the taskbar, but hey, it's Windows.
>>108990950New context menu isn't totally useless. It's slow for some retarded reason, but you can decompress .7z, tarballs and shit. The functionality exists in Shell.Application though, so you can probably hack up a legacy context menu entry to do it.
>>108990943No it wasn't. Aero looks like garbage. Sadly you had to use it otherwise you didn't have hardware accel desktop. 7 was complete shit and I'm tired of retards defending it.
>>108988973 (OP)>basically the same as 10Then why 'update' to 11? It's a lack of incentives and reasoning anon here >>108990858 listed.
>>108991458Because windows 11 has a proper compositor that doesn't shit the bed with basic tasks like remembering window positions on monitor changes or needlessly compositing borderless windowed content. There are more reasons, but I'm sick and tired of pasting them here. Those two should be enough for anyone who plays vidya or actually uses a KVM switch or multiple displayport monitors.
>>108988973What made people hate W11 so much?Standby Try to revive it form standby it just sits there login screen not loading. Have to Restart it. Icons on the taskbar disappear randomly need to restart program or explorer to get them back. Mostly when come back from standby but I had it happen just for shit sand giggles during the day.Right click on files have to go show more options every fucking timeRandom bugs and shit that appear and they fix them eventually but sometimes it takes forever like the fTPM shit on AMD CPUsI had my LAN card not working after standby too for at least 2 months. After windows update for some reason it takes 2 minutes to boot into windows, before update it took like 30 seconds.Windows ENDLESSLY BLOATS Windows folder is 100 GB on my SSD go check why>LiveKernelReports is a a whooping 22 GB from one DUMP>Panther folder is full Monitor .log files a fucking wooping 27.1 GB of fucking .log files Each 32~16 MB endless steam of log files.Notepad, Paint everything is now "Online"BRO I JUST WANT NOTEPADExplorer takes forever to loadI feel but I can't tell you if it's true that every setting, every high end user customsation and option takes x2 more clicks then Windows 10 and x2 more than Windows 7
>>108988990>customizeUse case?
>>108988973You're literally doing the meme
>>108990950>useless new context menu where you have to click "show more options" to get to the classic context menu?you can restore the old one by putting this in windows terminal:reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /veyou can see that here, since you shouldn't make registry changes based on some rando's say-so (but you should have been able to figure this shit out on your own, because any search similar to 'restore old context menu' in any search engine would tell you in short order how to do this):https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2287432/(article)-restore-old-right-click-context-menu-in>>108991482>Notepad, Paint everything is now "Online">BRO I JUST WANT NOTEPADthe legacy versions without online AI shit can still be had and used in place of the modern garbage versions
>>108988973calc.exe takes 5 seconds to fully load. I have 13900k, 64GB ddr5 and a fucking p5800x.
>>108990950That's easy to fix. Windows 10 LTSC has a lot of defaults I don't like either. The things I mentioned in Windows 11 are unfixable.
>>108991482>Windows folder is 100 GB on my SSD go check whyDid you try disk cleanup?
>>108988973It broke backwards compatibility for me, and that was the final straw. The program that was broken on Windows 11 just werked with wine.
>>108991468My main reason to switch would be for HDR but those are valid points. Feel free to list other reasons but I understand if you don't. I'm more procrastinating on 10 since I've set everything up the way I like and can't be bothered fresh installing. A straight upgrade might break stuff or cause future issues so I'd rather not do that.
>>108989953>XP>goodIt was a security nightmare. The only people who think XP was good were those who grew up using it, blissfully unaware of the fact that XP didn't start getting decent until SP3.
>>108988973
>>108988973This question is in bad faith. The problems with Windows 11 are well documented.
>>108991438>>108991376You're just a contrarian
>>108989039They don't have live tiles in 11. And also the UI is still laggy shit when it was perfect in 10 in that regard.
>>108988973The OS is just unnecessary clutter between normies and YouTube. Win11 didn't embrace this enough.
>>108992425kek
>>108988973Why are you acting like w10 is loved?
Poorfags hate ot because it put pretty high minimum requirements that they didn't knew how to bypass.
>>108988973Microsoft told me Win10 would be the last WindowsI believed them
>>108996602kys nigger
>>108989544Not as much performance as Windows 7 with 4gb of rams.Is a classic UI though. You could just use it in a VM now. 2010 to 2014 were the best years in tech wise.
>>108988973I know why you made this thread and it wasn't to talk about Windows
Every post ITT responding to a valid critique with >"you can just do X to get rid of that"is sorely missing the point.The entire point of my using Windows instead of Linux is that I shouldn't HAVE to do any of this. If I wanted to fight my PC for upwards of 3 hours just to get a decent computing experience, I would install any /g/entleman's recommended Linux distro and start trawling through wikis and stackoverflow posts to get things working.I understand you're ostensibly just trying to help, but the point is that you shouldn't have to do all of this to get a basic standard of usability on Windows when it has unironically just worked out of the box in past iterations.
>>108989544They broke it back with Win8, before Nadella so the usual suspects can shut it. The classic theme is still in the code, but you have to break a lot to enable it, then fix it again. There's an entire online community forum that's all about doing just that.
>>108996646sorry, Singhnot using microsoft products anymorekeep posting things that don't matter
You and I know damn well why people hate Windows 11. I still use it on at least one of my computers though, and once you get into the weeds of debloating it and configuring it to remove Microsofts intrusive autism it does become a fairly good OS, but let's be honest, nobody should have to do this, especially not for fucking Windows, it's the equivalent of Linuxfags trying to tell normalfags that Linux is good if you spend 6 months tweaking it. Which I mean yeah, but that's just not realistic for most people
>>108991514thisI use GNOME btw>>108997102see above
>>108997102I'm not missing 'the point'I naturally agree that there should be a version of windows wherein we don't have to spend tons of time tardwrangling to remove dogshit that nobody wantsbut merely complaining does nobody any goodfor example, compare >>108990950 to a hypothetical post that reads, 'the win11 default context menu is ass cancer, but thankfully it can be reverted with this method >>108991734 'that's simply a better, more informative post that indicates the poster had a problem, found a way to solve it, and shared it>you shouldn't have to do all of this to get a basic standard of usability on Windows when it has unironically just worked out of the box in past iterations.there has historically always been arcane bullshit that needed changing or removal from minute one in windowsit's just that the bullshit load has gotten larger with every iteration, with the biggest-ever increase in this generationwe do what we can with what we have; I still consider it a less-bothersome option compared to Linux
>>108989544yes
>>108997367OT, but around 20 years ago I was at my parents workplace. I was allowed to use some Joe Random's computer to kill time. On desktop there was a shortcut with a red three pronged boomerang icon. I've never seen it before, but it launched Age of Empires. This set me up to get really confused when each time on a different computer that icon would open some stupid worthless program that shows text instead of the game.
>>108988973I don't hate the windows experience but I want more customization, even 10 isn't sufficiently customizable. Give me 7s classic themes back
>>108988973>what made people hate W11 so much?Microsoft.>has it gotten better?No.
>>108988973There's 10 ads in that app menu lmao. Windows is a worse PC OS than Android is.
>>108988973the problem with windows since 8 is how fucking hard microsoft has been trying to turn windows into iOS. I want Windows (95 -> 7) to run my shit. i do not want babby tiktok slop consooming device. microslop should stop trying to turn Windows computers into iPads and they should hire competent programmers to work on Windows and they should BRING BACK THEIR QA TEAM that they fired in 2015
>>108990049>Noooo, you're not supposed to discuss the actual topic of the post!
>>108989012>cannot be uncombinedStartAllBack can separate them and generally fix most taskbar issues.
>>108988973>what made people hate W11 so much?let's see>DRM (VBS, HVCI, TPM, secure boot) and programs and the significant hits to performance>turned 50% of computers globally into e-waste overnight>removing local sign in options. current workarounds are hacks>BLOAT (higher RAM and CPU requirements)>AI shit and recall>UI coded by pajeets. less functional and more unresponsive and bloated than fucking Electron>literally zero reasons to use it over W10, which already works. in fact, they should have worked on modernizing Windows 2000 instead
>>108992254Name one OS that isn't a security nightmare you muppet. Moreover that doesn't mean it isn't good. It just means it is insecure. With that all said, anyone reading this is better off using Linux.
>>108992494How? Windows was literally never good. It has always been a bunch of genius super devs autistically fucking with some subsystem while the rest of the ecosystem languished in more insanely hacky and broken dogshit. You learn that a lot of GDI shit was basically garbage pushed out by the Office team that has to be cleaned up over a few years. You learn that the kernel and userland have application specific quirks so users (and devs) can continue shipping broken UB dogshit with no consequence. M$ still refuses to release the basic SDK and tool chain under a redistributable license so people either illegally use it or make garbage software using mingw. It's a meme OS. 7 was just a "usable" meme. It still packed a lot basic shit.
>>109001679>worked on modernizing Windows 2000 insteadReactOS is still doing GSoC's. Go have at it.
>>109001871Ironically all the OSes are and it's because they are written in C. Claude Mythos is uncovering the sins in real-time. More bug fixes being shoved through the mailing list every single day.
>>108990049Trolling is against the rules, retard.
>>109001871>Name one OS that isn't a security nightmare you muppet. Moreover that doesn't mean it isn't good. It just means it is insecure.XP had 2-3 viruses every week that infected every single computer on the planet. It had viruses that plugged in the security hole used by previous viruses. You could crash any computer you wanted on the local area network with picrel using a console command and knowledge of the IP address; it even bypassed firewalls.It wasn't insecure, it was straight up unusable until SP2. Then finally became decent with SP3 + IE7/8 but by then you already had Vista SP1 and it was only a year until Win7. And before SP3 you had to use installers that had the 100+ patches slipstreamed in, otherwise every install started with 2-3 hours of running Windows Update.
>>109001907ReactOS is controlled opposition. Its not intended to ever be usable. The project is such a total disaster it might be easy starting over that trying to fix that broken mess.
>>10900193690% of XP computers weren't connected to the internet so they didn't care
>>108990049every board is like this now
>>108988973>TWELVE AI COCKS UP OUR USER'S ASSES! 24/7/365!!!>wait our users dont like ai cocks up their ass? you are hurting the ai cock economy! you are aiphobic! think of the multibillion dollar company and cram thirteen ai cocks your ass!
>>108988973Hype train. I actually like all the hate it is getting because they're spooked and fixing things like flash banging Windows Explorer screens and applying Win UI 3 to basic components of the OS. I'm seeing some of this happen in real time on my own PC so I'm low key excited. Someone finally bought a pooper scooper in Redmond.
>>108988973ITFUCKINGSPIESONYOU
