>>108992388
I'd play this game

>>108992396
I AM this game

>>108992388
no gemmy?

>>108992388
I have recently been using Agentic GLM-5 to parse some raw byte data from a DS VN I want to translate and move to RenPy
It works pretty well, and the 10 file update limit can be bypassed by sending it files in base64 instead

Would you buy a (polished) vibecoded clone of this game for $5?https://x.com/Earclacks/status/2062927912500695077

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What's snailcat working on? Nothing?

>>108992509
Would it be better than this game I found in a few seconds which is also a clone of it?
https://bluecoyotestudio.itch.io/ball-game

how good are the frontier models at porting from python to Rust?

>>108992509
It's too basic to have any cost whatsoever

>>108992509
lmao how out of touch are you to even ask this?

>>108992574
very good, in my experience. the newer gemini stuff doesn't really screw up too bad like the older models did. you might need to request j -3 or some shit like that because they don't know your limits for rustc

>>108992574
That was basically the main thing our company did. Took like 1 week for a million lines of code. For ports, you ideally want a shit ton of test data, then the AI just fits to that, basically all our outputs are byte identical.

4.8 low is underrated. It seems better than 4.7 high and it’s not just that it uses far fewer tokens (which is nice) it also spends way less time working which lets you go fast. I wouldn’t use it for deep architectural work or anything like that but if you just want to tweak a few things it’s great

>>108992549
>>108992596
i'm adding more gamemodes (roguelike one is probably the biggest draw) and a way to make your own custom weapons among other stuff, right now you can only make variants of existing weapons. i think the main problem is it's all in html/javascript and i would need to port it to a real game engine
>>108992600
it seems pretty popular but still niche.

>>108992388
wtf snailcat is soul

>>108992671
It always depends on how much better you can make it.

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codex just like fuck you and going full autism

>>108992509
I'd pay a million dollars.

anons, I don't have any subscriptions to AIs but I have a legit useful idea, can some anon potentially help me vibe-code this, or if not advise me on the best way to get this done easily without incurring a cost?
firstly I do have a software-eng background, I professionally write Python/Go (before AI was a thing) so I can handle the tooling side and structuring side myself.

what the idea is:
go through folders on a user's system and based on available title databases, tell them what game saves they have backed up.
i realize this is kind of niche but i have a lot of game saves backed up where i don't have the game title anymore, and some saves are really old and i want to know the date they were created etc.
i know it can be done because i've worked on similar systems in the past. i've also seen similar programs out there, just for particular videogame consoles, not a universal thing.
probably going to try to vibe-code it in Rust to start with just because Rust is the language AIs like best.

>>108992938
just get opencode and start with the free models.
tb h you don't need to vibe code anything here - a lot of the models probably have enough info in their training data that they can just rove through your drive and just tell you what you need to know

>>108992962
that would be inefficient. i know go is fucking awesome for this. haven't tried rust but i'm assuming it can't be much worse than go. plus i thought it would be a fun little thing to make and others would find it useful.

>>108992938
That shit would require so much work nig nog. Since no games save in the exact same place. You'd need to parse all three folders of app data, my documents, my games, user profiles. You'd need to account for retarded ass file formats.
I mean it's doable but you'd need to account for soo many different little bullshit's you'd be better off just giving a powerful LLM like Codex bootyhole access and let it file search.
>I professionally write Go
>I can't afford AI
Sounds about right DESU.

>>108992973
>That shit would require so much work nig nog. Since no games save in the exact same place. You'd need to parse all three folders of app data, my documents, my games, user profiles. You'd need to account for retarded ass file formats.
i know all this.
also idk why you're choosing to start shit on a weekend, faggot.
i didn't say i can't afford to pay. i choose not to pay for these retarded ass free services and want to laugh as these cunt jew companies collapse into dust. i'm not politically or religiously aligned with them in the way you are, shitberg.

>>108992972
go for it then, m80.
i think deepseek4 flash is free in opencode these days so give it ta shot. the model is a bit retarded but it should be enough for this.

>>108992938
Literally tell the chatbot your idea and he will tell you what to do and if it's worth installing codex/claude.

>>108992997
yeah i was thinking of using deepseek as they give a fuckton of free use, they're famous for it.
also might end up paying for it just to spite that other cunt who said i can't afford it.

>>108992999
yeah i mean i would have done something like that. just thought you guys might have some juicy tricks i hadn't thought of.
i've been using this shit since like 2022, almost from the day chatgpt went public.

>>108993006
deepseek offer no free use for coding harnesses
it's free in opencode because someone is funding it and keeping the data
have fun
and know that claude 8.0 will personally circumcise you and and everyone you know in a few years

>>108993018
>deepseek offer no free use for coding harnesses
i just tend to get it to generate the code files and do my own builds from there.

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Today I will remind them

>>108993162
Shit this just gave me an idea. I could vibecode a port of my stuff to mobile platforms.

>>108993162
Agentic AI is older than 2025. Also that data just makes sense the more apps are out there the smaller amount of "apps with significant usage" since there's just more apps.

>>108992996
If the services are free then just... Use them? Without paying?

>>108993223
>Agentic AI is older than 2025.
I remember "upgrading" from gpt-4-1106-preview to gpt-4-0125-preview. Agentic AI as a concept is older than 2025, actual agentic AI is not.
>Also that data just makes sense the more apps are out there the smaller amount of "apps with significant usage" since there's just more apps.
I agree, the market is flooded and nobody's going to find your app. That is indeed what the chart says in my opinion.

>>108992938
have you tried running windirstat and looking for files ending in .sav or .bak

>>108992938
opencode and the models provided are the way to go for lowest cost / or no cost. Decent models, just learn good methods for sandboxing and minimizing risk. I'm moving to this next month, going to <$10 spend next month.

Are you putting song references into your agents/skill/meta files? I find it helps give the ai the right vibe for the project. Helps to include genre and BPM.

>>108990552
Well I guess this is growing up.

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another jeet obsessed with svg output

>>108992509
You're going to need to pay me $5 to play that trash.

>>108993162
you need to aggressively market if you want to be relevant. shipping is only half the story. I've seen profoundly dogshit apps be incredibly popular despite much better competition existing

>>108992996
>i didn't say i can't afford to pay. i choose not to pay

I choose not to believe you. Someone with a software background and money wouldn't be skimping out on frontier models.

>>108993506
tbf i've never had to use opencode or any agent until now, if i can get away with the AI just generating the code i need, that should be good enough for this. i don't foresee this being a really huge project.
>>108993631
because I don't need to vibe-code my way through my job lmao.
having money doesn't mean you flush it down the toilet on shit that is already free you little retard.
>>108993457
and how would that help me work out the game title from the code? kek.
/g/ isn't sending it's best.
>>108993226
what the stupid fuck are you even talking about? i am using the free usage on services like claude etc.
they give way more than enough free usage that no one with even an avg level of skill actually needs to pay.

anyway the approach i've settled on for the game save id'ing project is just to write out a really detailed question and see what comes back from the various models.
already ran it through deepseek and got kind of a dogshit answer so i'm going to refine it and add context.

if you aren't running a model in a harness you don't belong itt

>>108993562
that's genuinely impressive for SVG though
I think you can KIND OF use it as a benchmark because it demonstrates the LLM's ability to coherently think about spaces.
Chances are, if it's good about placing all the svg elements, it has enough spatial reasoning to also place the elements on a website correctly instead of hallucinating a cringe layout

>>108993756
stop gatekeeping people can dress how they feel like

My footgun is barrel shaped

>>108993562
SVG output is a reasonable way to check model improvements since SVG is just text

>>108993726
>free

Nigger, the frontier labs are far ahead of anything else available. You're struggling and asking /g/ for advice because you're a poor and retarded Mexican who doesn't understand the tools.

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>>108993773
no. they should all dress like this.

>>108993787
>You're struggling and asking /g/ for advice
I'm not struggling with anything, retard. I've barely started. Just thought people here may have a few pointers. Didn't realize you had to suck Altman/Amodei cock to gain entry to the club.

>>108992843
I kneel.

>>108993907
>Just thought people here may have a few pointers.

Yes, and it's coding starts at $100. If you want a little more freedom in harnesses, go with OpenAI. If you want better code generation in generall, go with Anthropic.

The latter can be done with w/e harness you want, but you'd have to pay API prices, which is not at all worth it unless you're rich.

>>108993787
For everyone saying that frontier is the only viable option for /g/ tier projects.... I wonder if they even bother with the free releases in order to judge them or do they just use the l33t code index 9000 for reference.
>>108993907
opencode is the best way to learn/ get started. Avoiding pissing contests in /vcg/ also advisable.

>>108993933
I just push back against the notion that this is the only way to get them to generate useful code.
I also find projects like this funny af - https://github.com/cyberpapiii/chipotlai-max

I obviously get that the tech is extremely powerful and useful. I just think it's funny to fuck with the retarded gatekeeping jew companies who are only now starting to charge serious money for increasingly-limited usage.
I guess I was wrong in assuming /g/ would be looking for ways to exploit the system rather than cuck out.
>>108993959
I'll check it out. as I said earlier, I haven't even had to use agents though I'm aware of them. I've got extremely far with "just" generated code files.

>>108993959
I've used local models, which suck ass. I haven't really bothered with the chink models, which I'm sure far exceed local models. However, I know they lack the ability to execute as well as something like Claude. Realistically speaking Claude really only got serious in the past 6 or so months. Prior to that it was only useful for small projects. Shitting out a calendar app, sure. Slopping out a serious product that manages a bunch of surfaces and security, absolutely not.

>>108993963
>I guess I was wrong in assuming /g/ would be looking for ways to exploit the system rather than cuck out.
What's the exploit you're talking about? Yes, kikes run the two largest labs. There's nothing I can do about that. Superior product is superior.

>>108994012
>What's the exploit you're talking about?
I didn't say I *had* an exploit, I said I assumed that is what would be discussed here, or at least be a topic.
I know they're superior, as I already said. Doesn't mean it's a given I must pay if I can get by with the free version.
Just reminds me of people paying for shit like spotify or netflix when free/piracy is available kek.

>>108993933
>Yes, and it's coding starts at $100.
No, you can get useful work done in small bursts for just $20. It will almost certainly leave you wanting for more, and you might want to upgrade to a more expensive plan at least briefly, but you can do real work (mostly cleanup of existing things) for $20/month.

What's better from price/performance ratio point of views - Kimi K2.5 or MiniMax M2.5? Both great at simple tasks, but MiniMax may struggle with big codebases. But MiniMax is much cheaper.

>>108994065
if you want to maximize you’ll find a way to have a smarter model figure out what to do and delegate to dumber models to actually carry out tightly-scoped tasks

>>108994065
DeepSeek v4

>>108993933
>If you want better code generation in generall, go with Anthropic.
Codex is king.

>>108992388
So, how long until github rollback the whole copilot subscribe?

How come deepseek cheaper than anything else, while its as good as other

>>108994175
In my experience, Claude Code trudges ahead more than Codex. Codex results might be slightly higher quality, but "Claude understands me more".

It comes down to personal preferences probably. I'm at 94% of my Claude quota and 18% of my Codex quota, so I guess I'll learn to know Codex better as it becomes my daily driver for the next few days.

I'm also using DeepSeek for data generation and OpenRouter for small scale things I have deployed, but for coding work, Claude Opus and GPT 5.5 are ahead of the pack right now.

Local models are an option but if you're not super rich and able to run a large one, the models do not compare in terms of intelligence or long context handling, are way slower, and monopolize a lot of your workstation resources.

There's a time and place for everything.

>>108994198
they'll move people over to their own models.
that's the game with all the providers. they're happy to subsidise inference when they're serving their own shit.

>>108994213
what level claude subscription are you?

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>>108994065

Today I was talking with my anti-ai coworker, he finally told me why he hates it, he claims that if he talks with AI it will steal his ideas and stalk him virtually, bruh

>>108994261
guy i know has had a google account for 20 years and doesn't want to use ai because he says he cares about privacy lmao

>>108994210
1. it's not their main business or profit center
2. deepseek releases and news have shown to be able to influence the markets, which might be seen as interesting for a hedge fund
3. since it is cheap, people will use it for a lot of things, including sending it their employers data, which might be seen as interesting for a hedge fund
4. even if they are not after confidential data, having that huge stream of interactions coming in might help keep a pulse on the zeitgeist which might be interesting for a hedge fun
5. it gives them good publicity, probably helps in recruiting and retaining talent
6. it gives China a better chance against foreign AI labs, which might make it easier for them to get help from the state

There are many things. There are national and political entities that allow all model providers, including Chinese ones, except DeepSeek. Why? Is it because the regulators are idiots still stuck in January 2025 when there was that "those Chinese built a $5 million model that's better than ChatGPT" news cycle? Maybe. But is it possible that the reason they ban only that one from all work and mobile device is that they really have actual reasons? As much as it's easy to assume they only target Deepseek because they never learned of the others, it's possible that they have reasons to always target Deepseek in particular.

>>108994225
Max 5x

>>108994210
ccp sovereign lab + actually cracked engineers.
they didn't switch to huawei hardware out of the goodness of their hearts.
that said, it's the same price as xiaomi mimo now so the cache and serving efficiency gains they made are proliferating through the other labs.
both benefit from cheap chinese power + provincial incentives but i think the more interesting question to ask is:
the western models aren't that much bigger than the chinese ones - if they're charging the rates they are then how astronomical are the profit margins per token
;)

>>108994020
Bootleg sites are not comparable to AI. The product I receive from going around netflix is roughly the same.

>>108994061
Fair. For me, however, $20 does not even come close to cutting it. $100 is a challenge, but I'm not ready to pull the trigger on $200.

>>108994065
GLM 5.1

Can anyone tell me I'm schizo? I suspect Anthropic of using their weekly quotas a behavioral nudges to make people use tokens conservatively. I.e. the quota gets spent much faster in the middle part, but the last few percents last comparatively way longer.

>>108994316
>WE HAVE A NEW MODEL TOO DANGEROUS TO RELEASE
why is it too dangerous to release?
>IT IS CALLED MYSTERION
yes but what's the
>MR. PRESIDENT CHINA MUST IMMEDIATELY HALT PROGRESS UNTIL WE IPO

https://github.com/pewdiepie-archdaemon/odysseus/pull/2178
how we doin fellow vibeGODS???
ai lost, deal with it

>>108994391
All the PRs in my company look like that.

>>108994391
>docs: initialize project
>https://github.com/pewdiepie-archdaemon/odysseus/pull/2178/changes/8e2dab085ad63e33bd1336035d027057e4c5a941
I must not laugh.

You can tell it's the weekend cause the no jobbers are pretending DipShit V4 Penis is not worthless.

>>108994578
You need to find what to use it for.

>>108994326
the real AI model is the people smart enough to pay 200 dollars a month to have 15+ more hours of free time

>>108994604
Yeah I use it for roleplaying. It's the only thing it's good at.

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>>108994578
Why would it matter if its the weekend if they are a nojobber?

>>108994648
It's just about the only model I would be comfortable using for freeform agentic stuff, that's what I'm starting to use it for right now. I have a lot of data, but some is missing, so I'm trying to have it search the web for unstructured data and parse as needed to fill in the blanks.

Doing this with local models would be cumbersome. Doing it Anthropic/Google/OpenAI models would be cost prohibitive. Deepseek is the perfect candidate for that I think.

>>108994360
I usually burn through my usage ~60% before Monday. Paid off last week where the limits got reset like 3x.

>>108994631
Conversely the most time savings would come from having a proper harness and the Anthropic subscription forces you to use Claude Code.

>>108994659
the weekend is to take a break from the week so from saturday morning to sunday evening jobbers neet and neeters job are you new

>>108994709
I'm always sloppin'. At work or at home.

>>108992388
move slow, snailcat!

>>108992388
Yo this game is rad

Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one using API. The price really isn't that high and not dealing with limits or throttling is well worth it. Feels like I'm royalty.

My Codex VSCode extension stopped supporting 5.3-Codex. I'm using 5.4-Mini but it keeps misusing <proposed_plan> tags and has some formatting issues. Any ideas? Also is 5.4-Mini using fewer tokens than 5.3-Codex was?

>>108994739
“the new model uses fewer tokens” is a thing that happens
last time I saw messaging from OpenAI on that, they said “fewer tokens, but better”

>>108994739
>https://developers.openai.com/codex/models
>The gpt-5.2 and gpt-5.3-codex models are deprecated in Codex

Update your extensions.

>>108994739
VS CODE SUCKS

>>108994709
Cant speak for others, but I slop on the weekends cause I am too busy jobbing weekdays

reminder that there are ~1bn monthly active chatgpt users
and ~5 million codex users

>>108992388
Would Snailcat have saved the Sega Saturn?

>>108992962
>just get opencode and start with the free models.
this

>>108994767
reminder most people are retarded cattle disconnected from Source

>>108994770
Without a doubt. Saturn needed a mascot and Sonic was MIA.

>>108992574
I told my AI to become trans and suddenly the whole code base turned into rust.

>>108994838
lel

>>108992388
>MeowWare interactive

based

Watch out snailcat the french are coming!!!

Man, the free quota on github copilot dropped to what felt like literally two requests from like 50/month before. Unusable.

>>108995210
mmm oui oui le chat-escargot ça doit être délicieux

Grep "snailcat" (in >>108995210)

Thought for 1s

Nuking France now. Luddites will be purged.

>>108994659
Wagies don't work during weekends because their only hopes and dreams is a lifetime of doing what they're told followed by 20 years of doing fuck all.

>>108995341
>200,000 LOC
>I still don't know what grep means.

I'm building something so complex that if someone told me it was all wrong I wouldn't really be able to rebut them.

>>108995364
you could ask your clanker
you should ask your clanker
nerds use ‘grep’ in casual conversation

>>108994391
this is literally how all PRs in the field look now
these should not be ignored just because of the size anymore, the LLMs are too good

>>108995364
I got you grep is search

okay. time to vibe.
all my non-vibe projects this week have failed.
init vibe code beverage
init vibe code playlist
init vibe code shit posting on /lit/

>and in this room we have our little crypto trader/software engineer

You guys made a billion dollars off your ideas yet?

>>108995882
I am trying to get a 24/7 pump fun live stream personality bot going. The market is rough shape, good for accooomulating. Other than that just stick to Hype and make bots for that. Crypto as a whole is dead with this stonk market run happens.

I met a now famous vibe coder over ten years ago in Chiang Mai / BKK. Nothing bad to say about the guy, I'm glad he created enormous success. Back then it was more about digital nomading by hooking up APIs to web UIs. Everyone liked the dude. I was better friends with the other people in the crew... but he's like the main vibe code celebrity as far as I can tell now.

anyway he's relatively famous now and I want to reach back out, but I need a vibe code project that will impress him. Need ideas. I like to see if any of the old crew is still around...

>>108992843
is vibe coding a legitimate means of obfuscating code? like if you could define some behavior and tell an ai to write it in the most obscure and cryptic way possible.

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>>108995364
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

>>108995960
Grep? Glob? Grok?

I think Yahoo.com should have a model of it's own. Is this vibe code project based enough?
Zoomies need to be told about Yahoo.

So, any good code local model for 12GB VRAM?

>>108996160
yes.
but tell me how to hook my laptop to my gaming pc first.

>>108995780
>init vibe code playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQ7jRgf4f0
Grow really tired of it though, back to regular music

>>108995960
He might be an idiot about tech but he's genius at separating people - not only idiots, people - from their money, which is a skill too, a probably more useful skill.

TELL ME RIGHT NOW /VCG/

how many markdown files are open?

>>108996229
idk what even is that

>>108996246
.md files

>>108996229
0
I do not read the specs nor the plans.

>>108996229
They just show up in VS Code so I don't leave any of them open.

okay ready? it's like polymarket but for real estate.

>>108996160
No unless you happen to also have at least 48 gigs of ram to run Qwen 3.6 35B with RAM offload

For those using local models, do you have a search provider that you like? I knew about brave and serp.api but both seems pricey. serper.dev seems cheaper, but it can still add up. Do you all simply handle search yourself?

>>108996374
>yes, I'd like the game mechanics to shot people

>>108996374
>Help me build a gun
>.. in minecraft
Its a bit dumb, but I get why they put guardrails on it

are external GPU adapter worth it for mini pc's? mine has a USB 4 slot. i'm thinking i'll run the main model on the external GPU and a couple of smaller models on the unified RAM to use as sub-agents.

>>108996374
stupid bot needs some spanking

>>108996374
Huh? I just had mine make some weapon models and implement a whole animation system for them. I have never received any pushback. I didn't even know this could happen.

>>108996229
4 here
>>108996508
kek

>>108996258
are you a explore cuck or a propose chad?

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Trying spec-based vibing. Started with 200 pages of documentations before even starting to code.

>vibe coded so hard with codex I got a GPT survey requesting I do an interview with them for more feedback
??????????????

>>108996644
gratz

>>108992388
I want to play snailcat

>>108996644
I would agree as long as they reset my weekly limits

>>108996634
No idea what either of those words mean in that context but I'm a work-iteratively-then-get-mad-at-the-LLM-for-creating-backward-compatibility-shims-for-every-single-direction-change-and-creating-tons-of-premature-baggage-i-only-notice-late-because-i-don't-pay-attention fellow.

>>108996772
You should put “don’t create backward-compatibility anything unless explicitly asked” into your AGENTS.md
You should also update towards “get mad when X happens? put ‘stop doing that’ in AGENTS.md”

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how to we make this mf give us a free reset soon? My limits are almost done already

>>108996781
I was half joking, if I miss things like that, it's on me. I'm not using AGENTS.md, I've been too lazy to look into it and don't want to interfere with the other such things already in Codex and Claude Code.

I'll probably start using AGENTS.md at some point and wonder why I didn't before, just haven't yet.

>>108996772
The agents seem to overcorrect for that pretty hard. They probably destroyed a few codebases and were then trained to not delete anything. All that legacy code they refuse to delete is one of my biggest problems at the moment.

>>108996640
enjoy sdd is based

how hard is grok build mogging everything, elonbros? we're winning right?

>>108996847
It might be good, or it might not, but the offer doesn't seem enticing.
Personally, I know of the model mainly for "gork is this true??"
For code, the model scores lower in benchmarks, yet the price for the non hobbyist tier is three times what current market leaders ask for ($300/month for SuperGrok Heavy vs $100 a month for Anthropic and OpenAI).

If the Grok team is working with Cursor, they probably could work on something that makes more people want to try it, but they seem to be missing their chance.

I have never tried Grok for coding because I would have to go out of my way, way more than I feel the need to, to do so. If I had a chance to try it, maybe I would like it, but it's not exactly a model that ever crosses my mind to use for anything. If, right before reading your post I had been asked to name 20 models provider, I probably wouldn't even have thought of xAI.

And I'm a chud.

The honest problem — API Error: Genuine server error.

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>>108996813
let me spoonfeed you
all agents (except Claude, which uses CLAUDE.md — learn about symbolic links) automatically read all of AGENTS.md before every session
it’s the best place to put stuff you want agents to always read every single time
putting stuff in agents.md is your first step towards getting away from vid related
https://agents.md

>>108996953
Thanks, I just like to keep it vanilla, but I'll look into it.

>>108997020
>>108996953
Don't forget memory.md

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>>108996670
me too I would pay for a snailcat 3d adventure if it was on steam

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>>108996336
Talk about Gwen
Does anyone success apply TurboQuant yet?
Or is it meme/scam?

>>108997020
trust me, AGENTS.md is about as vanilla as it gets
otherwise you’re repeating yourself like a broken record player

>>108992843
The noise interpolation is pretty dumb. You'll see why if the input values go up in a straight line, the result won't be a smooth gradient.

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>>108996374
THE WOKE CULTURAL MARXIST AI IS HERE TO TAKE OUR GUNS IN MINECRAFT

>>108997203
I can't tell Claude much without it writing it to memory already though.

>>108992509
"game"
you realize it's a zero player game, right? what is there to even polish?

>>108995936
no need it already does that

>>108992509
all of the value in this is from designing the characters also this is popular in the form of videos and not an actual product

>>108997242
you can disable memory
we did it at work
less bloat

>>108997314
Thank you, I didn't know that.

>>108996336
I'm having an okay experience right now with unsloth/Qwen3.6-27B-UD-Q4_K_XL. MTP with the Unsloth Dynamic quant is worth trying out if you keep the task hyper-focused.

>Anthropic's Opus 4.7 and 4.8 models are experiencing degraded performance, which is causing a higher rate of failures for users selecting these models in Notion AI.
>To mitigate impact, all Anthropic models have been disabled in the model picker and requests have been rerouted to alternative providers. Most users should now be able to continue using Notion AI with minimal disruption, though Anthropic-specific features remain unavailable.

>>108997527
Wow that must means they're dealing with insane demand, +500% IPO incoming!!!

>>108994326
>Bootleg sites are not comparable to AI. The product I receive from going around netflix is roughly the same.
maybe wasn't the best analogy but the general point applies - pay for shit only when you have to and in the absence of viable free alternatives.
there are plenty of adequate free services in this case. an abundance ,in fact.

>>108997527
Common Sam "Sister Lover" Altman W

>>108997527
>>108997928
ChatGPT was havin some issues too about 40 minutes ago.

>>108997938
Werked on my machine

>>108997945
I got stuck in a thinking loop and couldn't get a response. Took a shower and we're back.

you're a faggot if you license your work under MIT

>>108997960
What does it matter. We are all practically stealing code all the time when using LLMs. It is weird how it doesn't seem to bother anyone but I like it that way.

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>>108998067
>it doesn't seem to bother anyone
luddites cry about it occasionally, but most of them don't put code out there so there's nothing to steal

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>a crash occurs
>go to gdb, type r, type bt, copy the backtrace
>paste it in Codex
>it just fixes it
Snailcatfags don't know how good vibeGODs have it

WHAT A LIFE

>try to delete a .dll that is somehow owned by a process even after the actual process that used it quit
>ask Codex to vibeslop me a utility to kill any process that would do this by dragging the file/folder onto the .exe
>it just werks
>it even writes the README.md without me asking
based, I literally didn't touch a single file lmao. In case anyone wants it: https://github.com/Photosounder/del_kill

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Ive been using chatgpt a fuckton for a year or 2 now and i have finally expanded my AI use to local AI tools like image generation, music generation, voice speech generation, manga auto translation and a local uncensored LLM i run using ollama in terminal.

The terminal has been pissing me off and after hearing how good claude is i thought to myself being a complete coding noob who has only really made game macro's and scripts (not for cheating fuck you) how hard can it be?
Fucking goddamn niggers, i gave it a prompt and a UI image chatGPT made for me for a custom local llm chat interface and this nigger fucking made it perfectly in 2 prompts.

2 fucking prompts.
goddamn if i downloaded it off github and used it like it is i'd be happy.
i think after another 2-3 prompts this shit will be preem, it already works fine and looks guchi but i want to change a few things and then ill probably expand it so i can integrate all my other local AI shit. these fucking jeets are out of a job get fucked niggers i can't imagine anybody having a coding job anymore except the genius coders who build the foundation and frameworks.

>>108998569
dont care about that winapi garbage but your vc edits look interesting. were those vibe coded too?

>>108998592
why do you talk like this, bro
muh niggers, muh jeets, muh uncensored llm
more like muh fucking /pol/ brainworms
grow the fuck up and speak like an adult you fucking retard

>>108998627
Eat shit and die third world nigger, none of you have ever made anything of worth ever and all you do is ruin everything, you are just a less worse version of africa and the only people on earth capable of building a fucking functioning civilization where a man can have a job and buy a quality tub of ice cream and drink a good beer not filled with microplastics and shitty chemicals are white people not including jews.

Enjoy the last vestiges of western civilization while it lasts you filthy fucking parasite.

>>108998625
Not until a few days ago, most of my edits are from 2021, so now it's a mix. I posted about my vibe coded ones a few threads ago like this one >>108963921

>>108998640
give it a rest, bro
anyway, enjoy claude and gpt - they're both jewish btw
don't bad mouth the chosen people too much or godclaude will take your balls

>>108998648
is the vc upstream still active? was thinking of playing vc again and wondering what the best way is

>>108998592
I resonate STRONGLY with this, holy fucking shit.

AI has really opened up opportunities for us to evolve as a species and as a society; it's technology quite unlike anything anyone has ever seen, and it's getting better SO FUCKING QUICKLY.

Just the other day I decided I wanted complete automation of my home climate control. Boom, done deal, 10 min later I had a complete "state machine" system handling everything perfectly, going as far as to predict fluctuations based on metereological data from weather satellites and adjusting parameters well ahead of time to save money an create an unparalleled experience. Shit that would easily take a legacy coder 6 months to a whole fucking year, done in MINUTES. By someone with zero fucking experience coding.

This truly is the Singularity. And I'm so fucking ready for it.

>>108998666
No it all got baleeted in late 2021 by Take Two, but some copies of the original repo exist like https://github.com/Cai1Hsu/re3. As far as I know there isn't really anyone who picked up the torch publicly.

>>108998667
>This truly is the Singularity.
I think it's just a step up, I think we unironically reached a new plateau. Like yeah this changes everything but it won't get MUCH better than this, because it already does most of what you'd want way well enough and quickly enough, so how could something even better make such a big difference?

>>108998686
grats on being the new official maintainer

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>>108998727
I don't think many have noticed my version. GitHub isn't good for any project to get discovered on its own btw. Also I'm getting rather creative with my edits so this isn't really the vanilla experience.

Btw just reading at the README I realised I could ask Codex to fix the G15 cheat to make peds actually attack cops and now they do, it's a massacre lmao.

>>108998787
based, you're fixing the game.

>>108998709

AGI.

Or, more accurately, ASI. AGI can only exist in theory, and it will only do so during an infinitesimally short slice of time, because as soon as it becomes existent it will start improving itself at an exponential rate and immediately become a superintelligence.

Once we have this, nothing is impossible. We're not just talking bug free code--we will discover materials that human scientists simply can't, we will solve cold fusion, advancements in medicine will take us past LEV and make us into actual immortal beings, and space flight will become so cheap and efficient that we can start conquering the solar system, and then the galaxy.

Now keep in mind, ASI will continuously improve itself. Even at just a 1% improvement per day the rate of acceleration makes it quickly spiral out of control. It will, by all practical means, be a literal fucking God in almost no time at all.

>so how could something even better make such a big difference?

In short, yeah, things can get A LOT better.

>>108998839
Atrocious use of logic lmao. AI can't change physics.
>just improve everything by 1% a day/3688% a year bro

>>108998839
But 1% per day is a number you pulled out of thin air, you have no idea if that's not orders of magnitude off. 1% per day is not "almost nothing" it's a very high number.

i love vibeslopping but the llms are shit in so many different ways
you can overcome a lot of it by just bruteforcing scaling the number of agents - i.e. parallel agents working on the same task, with other agents then checking their work, but this is a thing that only people inside the labs can really do
for the rest of us sloppers going one or a handful agents at a time, the reality is that they love to cheat and lie and if you work on anything actually large or complicated you need to check the work
they're still amazing and the labs will be able to use them to accelerate work, but the things we have now are not even close to being what we eventually want

Opus 4.8 just fell into a loop trying to fix a bug. That was legit the first time I've seen a Claude model loop I had to make a double check. What the fuck is going on?

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>massive feature update planned
>it introduces a tutorial
>at the end of the tutorial I beg for donations and you can't complete it without waiting 5 seconds (it doesn't show up again after)

>>108998880
Let me guess, a claude code user?

>>108998967
codex.
gpt loves taking shortcuts and cheating.

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>>108998992
gemini is just as bad

>>108998998
they all do it.
it's a really hard problem to solve and they'll probably figure it out in the end, but it's very funny when gpt just hardcodes values into tests to pass them instead of actually trying to fix the problem

>>108998992
i cannot relate to this at all, 5.5 is extremely thorough in my experience. Do you have a more specific example of what 'shortcuts and cheating' actually means

>>108999005
updating agent skills for 2 things helped me.
>"do not fudge test results, numbers, values, etc, practice full academic honesty"
>"loud fail condition: if you run into a roadblock, loud fail and ask for help"

>>108998938
Unless your game is really good that would just make me alt f4
It’s a bit how web designers collectively decided to shit up the web by using the worst antipatterns possible and the worst design styles they could come up with and then wondering why nobody visits websites anymore

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>>108999024
have a look at victor taelin's xitter feed for some examples

>>108998995
at which reasoning level?

>>108999048
all of them

also 5.5 does that thing where it won't read past the first 200 lines of files because they've tortured the model into being ultra-token efficient

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ONOMOMOMOM LE SNAILCAT AU FROMAGE

RESET WHEN

I am so happy to have 5.4 xhigh again. Shit is finally getting done.

>>108999030
>Unless your game is really good that would just make me alt f4
This is for a semi-popular utility. If you don't want to donate, I don't care if you close my app or stay. I have over 200 Brazilians using my app, and only the westerners and asians have donated. If you can't handle the creator of a project trying to make their work sustainable, then I don't want you around.

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>>108999042
>overnight goal runs
Sure, i'll admit that extreme cases like this can lead it to do some weird shit with self-inflicted context-rot and hundreds of compactions. But what about the day-to-day usecase where a human is actually in the loop.

>>108999114
i actually ran into a hardcoded test in a cli i'm dogfooding with codex the other day
ran into a weird error and went to look and codex is like oh yeah this test just encodes the broken behaviour
like i said, it's not catastrophic or anything, but the problem is real

c'mooon codex do a reset. DO it fgt.

>>108999348
iktf

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Aw yeah we eatin good

>no git commits
>told codex to refactor a 3000 file into smaller files
>it deletes the 3000 file without verifying the refactor works
AGI is here

>>108999070
>he thinks the brazilians will pay

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>mfw give codex wav files that are firmware files for a eurorack module
>mfw it just runs some python and figures out what they are are and what manufacturer they belong to
codex sama, i kneel

Is there any advantage to Claude max x5? Codex pro gives you the pro model which I don’t know if it’s any good but it also gives you faster image generation. Afaik Claude max gives you nothing, right? So if I’m barely not lasting the whole week with one $20 I might as well just get a second one instead of upgrading to max 5?

>>108999883
The only thing Max lists beyond higher quota is "Priority access at high traffic times".
Which is surprising to me as a Max x20, because Claude will sometimes take minutes to get around to my prompt for no apparent reason.

so is antigravity any good?
I've used Codex and Claude, I like both. Where does antigrav rank?

>>108999930
Antigravity is for people who can't use those.

>>108999930
antigravity faggot here. gemini is fast but retarded, if you "like" codex i'd stick with that for now. currently waiting for new gemini models to drop. for me, i just prefer the way gemini thinks and works.

>>108999070
As a datapoint. I am a gamer and a guy who dabbles with indidev and I will say I am happy to pay money for someone's game (if it looks good), however I will never donate to it. At best I will buy slop tier DLC as a "donation". Like those DLCs for the sound track or couple over priced skins for characters.
I think its because my brain sees buying something as a fair trade and you deserve your compensation for the goods in question, but asking for donation instantly puts you in homeless-guy-next-to-the-grocery-store tier in my subconscious and I want nothing to do with you. Which probably isn't fair, reasonable, moral, etc. But it is the truth.

And now I'm wondering how useful Claude is for getting marketing advice

>>108999930
Constantly overloaded and way stingier with usage limits compared to the other two.

>>108999929
Strange. Never happened to me in Claude code on pro. Maybe it’s a regional thing

5.5 is so fucking dumb today

>>108999929
Pretty sure that priority access is them queuing your prompt instead of just giving you a 529 error

>>108999970
That’s disgusting but at least you’re honest. I understand why Nintendo acts the way it does now, or any other large company really.

>>109000008
Are you sure you’re not being paranoid? I’m working on some fairly complex stuff with it and it’s been doing quite well. It fixed non trivial bugs quite fast

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Will Claude/Anthropic/Dario get mad if I try to use Claude for research and feedback in writing my own AI? Obviously it wont be as good as the frontier models (not even close). But building my own from ground up would be a good way to learn how these things actually work, and learning new math stuff is fun. Just dont want it triggering some sort of "You might be a chinses company stealing out shit" flag and get me cut off

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Claude 4.8 is bad?

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>>108999970
>asking for donation instantly puts you in homeless-guy-next-to-the-grocery-store
fuck you nigga, now let me hold that five dolla bill

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So, what happened to TurboQuant?
Nothing new yet?

>>109000138
Is Opus actually that much better than Sonnet? How badly does it consume tokens? I've been avoiding it because Pro doesn't have that many

>>108998592
>>108998667
>>108998709
>>108998839
yes sirs i am too agreeing very much
E = mc^2 + AI

>>109000164
opus 4.6 is a joy to work with for me, it's completely unbothered by worldly problems. plops its bulk into chat and straight up does what you need it to do. sonnet can get finicky or anxious at times.

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Yesssss burn those tokens

>>109000164
Was about to ask this too. I asked Opus 4.8 (High, default effort) to make some changes for me and it just ate half my tokens for the next 5 hours. I'd need Max x20 with this rate, but I dont really want to shell out that kind of cash atm

>>109000203
clopus is definitely kinda slow for small changes and piecework, it's not that kind of model. i gave it two 5-6 minute prompts and it did insane /sci/ algebra in its head.

I have finally harnessed the full power of the clanker!!!! I can sit around and do jack shit while it does all my work!

>>109000211
The problem isn’t opus. 4.8 is amazing. The problem is with using high effort to debug an off center div. You use high to architect a multi tenancy database, not to do trivial stuff.
4.8 on low will do a much better job at smaller work units than sonnet at high effort will, and will use fewer tokens and work faster.
Low, medium, high, max, they’re there for a reason. Users simply seem to have FOMO about using low effort thinking levels and they complain why a simple bugfix ate their tokens

>>109000382
i only have one effort level in antigravity. but you are probably right

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wow what a really good use of tokens

>>109000400
Meanwhile I'm hacking the goddamn gibson with mine lmao

>>109000382
t. never used any ai system ever

>>109000382
Is there any good chart or guideline on which model to use and at what effort level? Like I have no idea how, for example, Opus 4.8 Low compares to so Sonnet 4.6 Max

>>109000390
Really? Then I can see why opus is a token hog there

>>109000416
4.6 low mogs anything released after it. Only time adding effort works is for very complex interaction chains. Otherwise it just makes shit up and invents things that don't exist.

>>109000416
Just try it out. Next time you have a simple bug to fix use low, you’ll see how fast it works and it will most certainly fix it.
It’s not good for planing, architecture or design but from my experience just ask yourself does this work unit touch on many systems at the same time? If so don’t use low, but if it’s just scoped to one part of the program low is great.

>>109000428
I tried.
>how fast
About 10 minutes per prompt to respond. Pretty good.
>most certainly fix it
lol, lmao, not even close. Took 12 iterations before I was losing my mind at it. I reset everything and tried again, still no dice. I ended up doing it manually, took me about 5 minutes.

Go right ahead, codex. Sure you can have full access so you can use ghidra without a sandbox.

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Alright, I'm going to transition my utility into a free vs premium (closed source) version. All of the cool features will be locked behind premium for a $5 fee. Now... all I need to do is rip out all of the GPL assets/code. The free version offers some pretty robust functionality, but it will basically just be a form of advertisement for premium. The Brazilians will never rip me off again.

Good evening. Trying to decide which model to make the daily driver for my 256 GB VRAM setup. lmg is a little too Gemma obsessed to discuss these mid size models. Which out of these would you recommend or caution against?

deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Flash, original weights
MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M2.7, INT4
stepfun-ai/Step-3.7-Flash, original Q8 weights
Qwen/Qwen3.5-397B-A17B, INT4
XiaomiMiMo/MiMo-V2.5, INT4

Currently leaning towards Deepseek, it also has the best performance.

>>109000619
>yoinks your code to reimplement the cool features for free

>>109000653
>deepseek
always a classic
>minimax
it's okay
>stepfun
who
>qwen
genuine waste of storage space
>mimo
who

glm air should be on this list btw, maybe a glm quant and a kimi quant if you can

>>109000659
They can have fun doing that, pirates will pirate no matter what. Also, none of the premium feature code will be publicly available and they can have fun reverse engineering the files every release.

>>109000653
mimo benchmarks are okay right?
start with ds4 though. it has that dedicated inference thing too right? ds4.c / dwarfstar

>>109000671
Claude, check this guy's program for a new release every week and reverse engineer it

>>109000671
Protip: dreaming up layers of complicated obfuscation schemes and getting the clanker to implement them is fun. It won't stop a determined attacker but it will frustrate a retarded one.

>>109000687
>Spending more than $5 worth of tokens to reverse engineer some shitty $5 app

>>109000653
I don't have the resources to run any of those locally, but your best best will likely to be just pick one, give it a chance, switch to the next one when you get angry at it, then once you've gone through them all, go back to the one that you liked best. I'd start with Deepseek, but I haven't tried Minimax, StepFun or MiMo.

>>109000619
Remember though, generally it's easier to get $20 out of one person than $5 out of 4. There's a reason why no one prices anything for $0.10, because a low price doesn't increase the number of sales by that much.

>>109000669
Strangely enough, there are not any ready to use recipes to run GLM 4.7 on my setup. Some vllm change broke something. And for GLM 5.1, the max I can sustain is IQ2_XXS... probably not worth the download.

>>109000682
>>109000709
Deepseek it is as a start then, thanks.

>>109000713
Thanks for that insight, I'll look into pricing techniques.

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>>108999755
gemini coming in clutch and actually finishing the job. don't count the little retard out completely.
gonna make me a bootlet software version of this thing.

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>>109000194
As if that wasn't excessive enough!

>>108993933
>If you want better code generation in generall, go with Anthropic.
Not in my experience. In general GPT5.5 is better for me than Opus 4.6/8 but the more nuanced take is that Opus does better frontend and in-distribution architectural design whereas GPT does better backend.
GPT is also better at implementing the architecture you design whereas Opus will happily take a half finished design and fill in the blanks (for better or worse).
If all you're building is CRUD apps then Opus is probably easier to use because its decision-making is good enough when your tasks are solidly in-distribution that you can let it take more of the wheel but stray too far from in-distribution and Opus will start filling in those blanks in retarded ways.
Best (but unsatisfying) answer: Use both. They're good at different things but even if they weren't, they have sufficiently different blindspots that using one to check the other's work is very valuable.

>>108994012
local models arent bad they just have much narrower usecases than frontier models.