>computers are now more powerful and capable of running programs locally than ever before>the tech industry as a whole is now more hellbent on selling PCs and ARMSlop as dumb terminals for online services like it's the 1970swhat went wrong? I feel so burned out on this shit
>>108997186jews
>>108997186Coping with current RAM prices ruining their business model
>>108997204I remember reading that shit like AI-powered "Smart" cars need something like 300GBs of RAM to run their AI models locally as a safety requirement for if they lose connection to remote services. Absolutely mental
>>108997192This. The western world is literally trying to build new markets that nobody has asked for to try and support an economy that isn't sustainable.That's why the chinks showed up and threw deepseek in the mix for free to fuck up our efforts.I hate that I'm glad they did it but I need them to do it some more so that I've left alone with my hobby. :(
I think Jensen Huang is legitimately the most evil and soulless man currently in the tech industry bar none. I don't think there is any real emotions behind his eyes, he's the definition of a bugman
>>108997226>The western world is literally trying to build new markets that nobody has asked for to try and support an economy that isn't sustainable.It's working but not in the way you think. AI is a scam, but not for the end user so much as it is for businesses and software firms while hardware suppliers like Nvidia and RAM companies make off with their money anyways
>>108997269Nah, Jensen Huang doesn't do layoffs that replace his employees with infinite jeets.He's the least evil CEO.
>>108998461Lisa Su is the least evil tech CEO. Jensen is trying to push for more ARMslop and AISlop. He has a complete disdain for the end user
>>108998476ARM is better than x86 though, but RISC is also better than both (in terms of freedom, not speed/efficiency just yet).
>>108998564>ARM is better than x86 thoughIt's literally not. ARM doesn't scale up as well as x86 does, which is why the fastest supercomputer in the world is x86 based. x86 also scales lower fairly well too, which is why you're able to achieve things like x86 handhelds. ARM is pretty much only competitive with lower power segments
PC's have been trending away from personal computing for a decade now. During the early 2020's, PC's became crypto-mining hardware. Now, PC's are AI-driving hardware. There hasn't been a focus on 'gaming' since the 2010's.
>>108998564>but RISC is also better than both (in terms of freedom, not speed/efficiency just yet).I assume you mean RISC-V and not RISC as a general processor design philosophy, since that doesn't really apply to modern processors anymore since both ARM64 and X86-64 have both adopted a weird hybrid CISC/RISC model, with x86-64 adopting RISC-like execution units and ARM64 adopting CISC-like extensions to its core architecture
>>108998623RISC-V is also adopting CISC-like extensions to its core architecture.RISC is a meme in general, unless you're talking about some massively parralel things or very low power things. Still those might benefit from complex instructions.Computing is not a good place for fanaticism and radical stuff. Because computing is not for retarded people.
>>108998584x86 doesn't scale down for shit which is why arm is eating its lunch as there is so much more focus on handhelds now. Virtually all handhelds are arm for a reason.It's true that in the high end, x86 is doing better for now, but that's because all the budget and development has gone to x86 for decades. Arm could catch up. I was talking about the ISA itself though.
>>108998623I also wanted to add that modern computers can just utilize both architectures anyways with things like GPGPUs since modern Nvidia-based GPUs feature ARM cores that can be utilized in addition to X86-64 CPUs and potentially vice-versa. It's just a silly war to wage for the most part. The problem is that ARM itself still hasn't adopted an industry standard architecture like x86-64 has and likely never will because the people running the show are actually just evil and want to push for embedded proprietary architectures instead
>>108998623>>108998643Yes, I meant RISC-V but didn't want to say RISC-V because what about RISC-VI and so forth.
>>108998658>Virtually all handhelds are arm for a reason.What do you mean by "virtually all" because last I checked it's just phones and the Nintendo Switch. Steamdecks are basically running circles around ARMslop in terms of performance in the handheld space and it's not even close
>>108998675Switch and phones are virtually all handhelds anon. Steamdecks are a microniche nobody actually uses. Even the 3ds and vita have a larger userbase than steamdecks and the clones have. Also the reason they're x86 is because they're pc games, and pc's are x86, thus they need to be x86 compatible to have good performance. You should know these very basic facts instead of shitposting.
>>108997204>loans existthis mind breaks too many people
>>108998688>Also the reason they're x86 is because they're pc games, and pc's are x86, thus they need to be x86 compatible to have good performance>the reason they're x86 is because it's betterok
>>108998688I mean they run circles around ARMSlop in general in terms of performance even when you compare PC ports to the Switch > Steamdecks are a microniche nobody actually uses.They've sold 5 million units in 4 years despite being significantly more expensive than its competitors and having less marketing, and that's not even including other handhelds like the ROG Ally
>>108998711Oh no... it's retarded :(
>>108998715You have to compare likes for likes. Compare a steamdeck pc port vs the switch version released in the same year roughly, and at similar price ranges. Otherwise you can make anything look better than anything if you try hard enough.
>>108998715>5m vs 155m for switch aloneYeah not a niche broAre you clinically retarded? In what universe is 5m a majority of 155m++?
>>108998735>Yeah not a niche broAre you retarded? The Switch 1 has been on the market for 10 years. A more apt comparison would be the Switch 2
>>108998800Switch 2 is still 20m. 5m is still a tiny tiny niche given that there are tons more devices beyond the switch that's arm. Also nice goalpost moving, your goalposts were that arm was not the vast majority of handhelds.
>>108998812Regardless, 5m is hardly a microniche either, especially not if you also include the Rog Ally which sold around 1 million units alone plus the Xbox Ally, Lenovo Legion Go, the GPD Win series etc I don't think anyone is pretending like the Switch hasn't sold more, but it's laughable to claim this is a niche market, especially given how relatively new it is in combination with it being substantially more expensive
>>108998834It is a microniche as established by the sales of ONE (1) handheld device that is itself a niche by comparison, showing that it is vastly dominated already.You keep digging that hole while moving these goal posts, you move them up so fast you might reach the moon today at this rate.
>>108998858You're the one who moved the goalpost in the first place from performance to market positions you fool
>>108998891No, it was you who did that. Keep digging your hole though.
>>108998564> in terms of freedomRISC-V is freedom for the manufacturer, not for you. For the end user, RISC-V is just as closed and back-doored as ARM of x86.
>>108999541There's a difference between the processor and the spec and ISA. You are talking about the former but I'm talking about the latter.
>>108999559What are you going to do with an ISA? Its useless unless some company turns it into silicon. The ISA being free provides zero actual benefit to you.
>>108999586Anon, this is /g/. Not everyone here is a tech consooomer with no knowledge or interest in tech, or without the ability to design and order a chip.
>>108997226It's money stolen from the efforts of the plebs, which despite being 1000 times more productive than in the Middle Ages, can barely afford a house and vacations. They have so much money they don't know what to do with it, so they invent new ways of wasting it.
>>108998693Does this nigga think they got a vault full of loan money? Dog, its numbers in a database. Banks literally loan more money then they have. Like bro, they dont even need to possess the small 10% of total money loaned in assets anymore. Its actually just monopoly money at this point. Let that sink in homie.
>>108997186money, anon.see, you're looking at it from the consumers' perspective, and often what's good for consumers is bad for business. computers are becoming truly "good enough" in the sense that someone could use the same machine for 10 years and not feel the need to upgrade, and that's a problem for people who sell computers, as it means sales go down.that's why products are designed to only last a certain amount of time. you think it's an accident or incompetence which makes software that does the same job slower over time? no. it's engineered to ensure you buy a new computer more often than you would have otherwise.fast internet has allowed for more things to become subscription services, namely things like media/video, and other sectors are starting to realise people are willing to pay for something as a service, which is great for them. why risk someone buying Cool Program 2 for $150 and just using it for 5 years without upgrading it when they can charge $5/mo instead and make $300 from them in the same amount of time?
>>108997186they want to give you cheap, low power, low ram devices so you can feel good about how eco-friendly you are (then you can rent the power you used to have from their datacentres)
>>108999847thinking about my Cool Program 2 example, this also means they don't need to improve the software as much over time.let me explain, if you buy Cool Program 2, and then next year Cool Program 3 comes out, but you don't feel like any of the changes matter to you, so you don't buy the upgrade, eventually they might have a cool new feature that makes you upgrade it. this means they're constantly needing to improve the software to incentivise people to upgrade.with a subscription on the other hand, you don't need to worry about improving the software as much, since people are going to pay for it either way, they have to to keep using it.
>>108997186honestly? nothing. When you grow up, you realize how powerful it is to just run a webserver that serves some opaque js/wasm slop that does all the crap you want. the app interactions can "sync" with the cloud automatically so you can't lose work and you get "collaboration" baked into your server, for nearly free. You don't need some convoluted nonfunctional SCCM garbage, or helpdesk full of spics and jeets to "push" software. Shit just fucking works.freedom? well, life's a bitch and niggas gotta get paid, but from a corposlop wageslavery standpoint, the web and treating devices as dumb terminals is much less of a hassle.
>>108998584>ARM doesn't scale up as well as x86 doesx86 scales because people paid for it to scale.You're already seeing Applel's custom aarch64 eating into x86 in real benchmarks as well. don't be retarded.it's always a money problem. Fundamentally, x86 is cursed and will be, in practice, at a disadvantage.
>>108998659ARMv8 makes a lot of basic shit, mandatory.this isn't the armv7 (application) and lower days where your compiler flags were wildly different for every meme SoC sold.you got an fpu so you don't need to give a shit about softfloat abi, softfloat libraries or any of that nonsense, you got neon (and everything before it) for basic simd. etc.
>>108999847This is honestly the great filter for our species. We just can't stop being jewish for even like a week
>>108997186>what went wrong?capitalism, its more efficient to concentrate everything in servers and rent it than selling people things, and these companies are finally hitting a critical mass where they have enough capital make this come true, dismantling them would fix this but thats communism
>>108997192FPBP
>>108997186PCs are a dead end business model. Locked down appliances that require subscription services are the only viable business.
>>108997210Those regulations should be eliminated. They're inefficient and whatever lives local models may save aren't worth the cost.
>>109000073>You're already seeing Applel's custom aarch64 eating into x86 in real benchmarks as well. don't be retarded.lmao, no you literally do not. Not even Apple claims this. Apple has made it pretty clear their chips are targeting low-power high performance segments. The A18 is being touted as the most powerful chip for its power class
>>108997192fibbiblippy/thread
>>109001496There's also the fact that every single advanced civilization on Earth mysteriously becomes incapable of having birthrates above replacementIn fact even many poor retarded peoples are having trouble breeding in technological society. India's fertility rate just below replacement this year. Only Africans in Africa and some ultra-religious minority groups like the Amish keep having kids. The future is Ted saying "I told you so" and laughing at our ashes.
>>109002637>India's fertility rate just below replacement this year.There are literally black sub-saharan African countries with higher levels of human development than India though (Botswana, Gabon, South Africa although that one might not strictly count as black)
>>108998476every modern AMD cpu has a bulit in arm cpu inside
>>109002682Utilizing ARM isn't the same thing as pushing for ARMSlop. AMD at least cares about PC compatibility and industry standards instead of mass producing embedded shit
>>108997186the entire west has entered a circular economy where banks pass money to each other through time, by rotating debt temporaly they can infinitely inflate forever>>108997192no its the people who use jewish folks as their personal patsys
>>108997210Relying on an Internet connection for latency sensitive safety critical stuff is mental. Autonomous cars SHOULD be powered by onboard GPUs.
>>108997186Personal computing was a mistake, an accident, the industry has been trying to correct for decades. Finally they are close to doing so.
>>109003052How about we simply don't rely on AI powered cars that are responsible for driving up RAM prices?
>>108998476>Miss SuI would let her peg me if she stayed with me for a weekend in bed.Saturday would just be fucking constantly with cuddles in between. Not even leaving the bed except for piss breaks. Breakfast would begin at 9pm, and we'd both lose 5lbs from fucking and starving together. She'd continue looking better and better in her black latex and shoelace outfit.Sunday morning we'd leave bed and go outside in oversized winter jackets and boots. She'd hand me a cigarette and light both of ours like in a film, and I have never even smoked before, but rolling with the theme of a dizzying couple of days of degeneracy, I'd feel obligated.Come Sunday evening, we'd both be just about over it, and anticipating the big Monday to come, meetings with PMs, TSMC engineers, press conferences.Finally, when I'm nodding off at 8pm from hunger and lethargy from the cigarettes and empty balls, she'd dress, pack up, and leave when I thought she was just out of bed using the washroom.I'd wake up Monday morning, the curtain allowing an inch of sunlight to cast on the foot of my bed. Bird and children shouting outside. Quiet stillness indoors.My weekend with Lisa Su would never happen again because she's just one of those girls
>>108997186i think it's a result of the tech sector growing too much. too many normoids got into coding "apps" in the hopes of being the chill techbro who works remote at some fucking cafe or whatever bullshit, which has lead to the normalization of incompetence. also doesn't help that the architecture of the modern web is completely horrendous and that a corpo like google essentially has a monopoly on the browser. goyim cattle also don't care about having to wait a few seconds for their pages to load, because they're retarded. this means that shitty webslop and being a mediocre programmer will continue to be profitable, sadly.
>>108997186It's datacenter buildout. Once it becomes obvious that they're overbuilding it'll go back down to normal.Or they'll come up with some other scheme to maximize the cost. Either way knowing both users and professionals there just simply isn't the demand they think there is for cloud hosting of any kind.
>>109002682Do you know which microarchitecture it started with?
