>>109001168
Good riddance. Finally computers are democratized—anyone can use them to augment and enhance their life: with the power of AI everything is possible.

Everything has already been invented, nobody needs your shitty app

>>109001225
LMAO, but teh Apple owns your iOS so you cannot just build an app. They have some obscure dumb humiliation ritual you have to go through on a weekly basis if you want to use your own app instead of store slop.
So computers are not democratized, they are owned by corpos and you are renting them just like you are renting AI compute.

>>109001168
normie discovers that internet is dead

>>109001238
>They have some obscure dumb humiliation ritual you have to go through on a weekly basis if you want to use your own app instead of store slop.
If you can figure out how to build an app it should be trivial how to figure self signing without weekly bullshit

>>109001229
OP is full of shit, just like his apps. Claude cannot do shit, it is not capable of producing finished projects, not to mention polished ones.
Anyways, you are wrong about apps. There is a shortage of the ones that actually work. Both Apple and Google will kick you out for just doing software that works, does not require updates and is free to use.
It does not generate revenue, so they cannot have a % from it. They will kick you out and prefer slop riddled with paywalls.
As for other stores and markets, they are either the same, or filled with malware to the brim.

Enjoy your cyber aids.

>>109001168
>redditors glaze Claude on r/ClaudeAI
fascinating

>>109001253
> self signing without weekly bullshit
Is that a thing? I literally avoid iPhones for this reason alone. And nothing anywhere mentions the bypass to self signing. You know, unless AI is trash and bad at doing research for me on something so simple. Sounded believable, something Apple would do to their clients.

>>109001238
>LMAO, but teh Apple owns your iOS so you cannot just build an app
Well at least you can own the entrypoint of your app on iOS, unlike on Android all native app code is started by some Java/Kotlin glue bullshit or through NativeActivity, which is also Java/Kotlin bullshit, but built into the system.

>>109001168
I build 4 shell scripts with Claude. A real one, grep, sed, awk, if statement, environment variables. It took me longer to set my environment variables than to get script running. The barrier to unix has dissolved.

>>109001285
After reading half way through it I was genuinely worried about your mental health, anon.
> barrier to unix has dissolved
I honestly wish bash was replaced with something less gay, less like bash. One has to be a delusional oldfag to believe that shitty scripting bullshit is convinient.
Good thing it's not python though.

>>109001168
>normies realizing that building an app that users actually want is not that easy

Any average programmer should be able to build Twitter and Facebook. They are simple websites. But getting huge userbase? That's a different question.

>>109001311
shell lets you easily deal with the kernel and run commands. If you are doing stupid stuff with it that's on you, complex logic or orchestrations should be done in a real programming language, by real programmers.

>>109001352
>Any average programmer should be able to build Twitter and Facebook
Nah, it would take years. If you mean clones with no scaling and absurd moderation functionality with NSA access and knobs for algorithm that you can spin when paid by politicians during elections, then it's a different thing. Clones with minimal functionality are basically MVP and still it takes skill and time to build a good one, not sure if only one average dude can do it right.

>>109001356
To be honest I envy the secret knowledge that only some select unix wizards posses. It is genuinely hard to understand some of their one-liners.

>>109001168
>useless software are useless
found the problem

>>109001379
It depends, if it's just simply using a kernel feature you didn't know then it's fine, if it's some perl/APL style bullshit then it's not

>>109001168
he didn't make 0$, he lost 100$ because he had to pay the apple developer fee

>>109001168
damn, and here I though everyone was waiting for banal ai slop apps

>>109001408
So ai is profitable then

>>109001168
Before CLI AI, I had one help me build an Android app. I got $2.97 off 3 purchases of it in the first 3 months. Then a year later I got a $300 class action settlement from a lawsuit of Google vs developers, kek.

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>>109001168
I'm literally selling web platforms made with Claude like hot cakes to small enterprises. Skill issue.

>>109001229
Wrong. It's just that anything that needs inventing is incredibly hard and labor intensive. To claim computing is solved is peak low IQ delusion. We need more software than ever before, but there is zero economic incentives and no support for those who can make it. The final solution is admitting that the US world order is fundamentally broken. The next one will be worse (China), but it will have more runway since they don't let cold war boogeymen stop them from collectivism.

>>109001748
show us one

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>>109001168
Finally the idea guys are free to create anything they want...
It turns out most ideas are dogshit

>>109001168
>I've built (...) with Claude
I've cooked a meal by ordering it on Ubereats
I've made a great photo by googling it

>>109001758
There will be no Chinese world order or Western world order in a few decades because they all stopped making children. A bunch of brainrotted old fucks can't hold up a big advanced country, nevermind dominate the world.

>>109001168
it is because he built the #1983752389th note taking app

>>109001168
Good. Finally we will be able to get Rust troon language from Linux kernel.

>spend hours and hours and thousands into building 4 things nobody wants
>nobody wants it

who could have predicted this

>>109001253
>self signing without weekly bullshit
You sure that's possible on iPhone?

>>109001256
play store is almost unusable
i have some list of very decent and ad-free applications made by like russians and something and they are getting harder and harder to just search
even with the 1:1 text it does not show up or at the very below being shaded by shitty clone apps that works worse and has gorillion ads
they really do kick you out for making decent free apps

>>109002117
STFU retard

Software engineers have always claimed to have "built" things despite using templates, pre-built engines, frameworks, code monkeys, etc.

>>109001168
did he make a unit converter?

>>109001168
LMAO

>>109001168
fake and gay and literal reddit post

kill yourself OP

a slop post about more slop

>>109001229
I made my own imageboard
Imageboards already exists
Yet I pay for servers each year
The domain name
Because I love creating
Without AI.

>>109003013
It’s probably not fake, I can totally picture a redditor making a bunch of useless apps nobody likes and complaining why he’s got no users

>>109001168
his total revenue across all 4 apps is -$400 a year, soon to be $900 unless they changed that shit to $100 per developer and not per app

>>109001168
Skill issue. It's all about onboarding.

>>109001168
This was already a problem way before LLMs.

The AppStore and PlayStore have almost a billion apps each.
Good luck competing with that.
There're several strategies you can adopt to attempt increasing your visibility, but ultimately you're competing with billions of other products and simply submitting your app won't cut it. Nobody is even going to see it on the storefront. Even if you market the shit out of it with a budget of millions of dollars, most likely it will still flop.
AI slop will only make things worse.

>>109001168
good, how it should be

>>109001229
fuck off motherfucker, none of the whit I want exists and now I can make it myself.

>>109003113
>>109001748
>this spammer again
remember, it will pop anytime

>>109002601
start sideloading then, faggot

>>109004156
More like

Five minutes...

>>109001168
HERES A FUCKING IDEA .... actually im not going to share it here. I already have this idea built, but i cant afford a MacOS to make a swift app nor afford to publish it on apple store. But if some one could make it, and some how publish it for $0 i know what I would want.

>>109004177
You can download mac os for free and install it or run it in a vm

>>109002018
Crickets everytime.

>>109004184
Cool thanks, but have you personally tried that? I will assume no. Only older versions work with free hypervisors (virtual box) when you have one working, you have to upgrade the system before itll allow iOS or App development software to download. But you cant upgrade without paying for an account....then, when you have one, and you upgrade and your able to install the software, which if i remember correctly this whole step give you huge problems due to VM. Past all that, you still cant put any app on your phone or anyone elses with out going through the apple store approval process, which not only COSTS MORE money, but also is not straightforward, fast or guarenteed. Once you finally get accepted you have to pay subscription to have your app on it. Hence why most integreate spyware to make pennies to self perpetuate the app online. Or they integrate extremely annoying and intrusive ads.

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>>109003113

>>109002607
You can cook a pizza by buying flour, salt, water, cheese and sauce
You did not cook the pizza by filling out an order form and having it delivered

>>109001168
>the working class learns that marketing and management was the hard work all along
lol, lmao even

>>109002035
what's Twitter?

>>109001168
This is like anons crying why their better image board website doesn't have users. Website doesn't matter, code quality or even features doesn't matter. Only thing what matters is where the main community is. You can have shit tier quality non-free proprietary Brave and Apple tier spyware and normies love it if other brain damaged normies are using it.

>>109001168
Do normalfags really buy software on their phones?
That's retarded. I will never understand iToddlers.

>rushes out slopware that probably looks and feels like shit
>refuses to invest time in the important half of it: sales and marketing

Dude is just outing himself as a clueless moron and doesn't realize it.

>>109001168
>writes slop app with Claude
>it flops and he doesn't even recover the cost of tokens
>uses Claude to write a reddit post about how his slop app failed
some people's brains are irreparably damaged by AI

>>109001168
recently gotten into music making and I am shocked how many standard tools are now AI only or locked behind sign up. What used to be free is now dominated by slop I give it a couple more years and nothing will be worth reading anymore.

>>109001229
for the most part that might be true but there's little random shit i make with gemini that is handy compared to standalone solutions

>>109006469
That's just it. Why would I pay you money for your little shit you shat out with no effort when I could shit out my own little shit with no effort for free?

>>109004842
very progressive of you.
do NOT deadname the website

OP was clear to me since the days of GPT 4 relase
I have vibe coded two or three major programs that I use everyday and some dozens utility scripts
All for my personal usage. I woudn't ever think anyone would be interested in them and I wouldn't ever use some shitty program vibecoded by someone else because again if need to use slopware it's better I do it myself so I know all the assumptions that went into it.

The important part of software today is GUARANTEES
If I use something and it's made by an actual software house I can have some reasonable expectations that
a) they will keep supporting it after release
b) they will have some kind of baseline coding standards to not blow my computer to shit or erase all my data

>>109001168
1. duh
2. people who talk like that usually have no sense of quality and build absolute garbage

>>109001168
AI can build a prototype but it doesn't maintain a project.

In order to do that you need to have testing. You also need to worry about security, scalability, resource usage, et al.

Your application could introduce a security hole. Who knows where Claude is getting its lines of code from? Its all just one big statistical function.

I know you nocoders despise us software developers. We're pragmatic and based in reality while you guys are arguing about neopronouns on twitter.

The fact of the matter is that I'm right. I've worked with people who have had Claude spit out a pretty decent application that was close to what they needed. Then I asked them what they're going to do when the user wants new features. Its not autocode. It never will be.

Claude doesn't spit out the same app twice. Its good for working on very small and very precise things. When you try to get an entire app out of it, it'll work for version 0.0.1, but the minute you try to generate a new application with new features it'll produce something totally different.

Now if you don't care about quality or any of those things and you're just selling vibe-coded apps to rubes then go for it. When the app crashes they'll come running to people like me that will politely explain the situation and offer a solution (for a price, obviously). It'll take a few years but eventually the vibe coders will fuck so many people over with low quality slop that they'll pay real devs to get the job done.

So have it.

>>109001168
He should have studied UX design so he didn’t design and make shit nobody wants

>>109002576
What a fool. Thats why I built a calendar app. Yeah, I'll basically be a billionaire by this time next month.

>>109001168
if you look at these vibe coding communities you find that a lot of them don't even come up with ideas themselves, they ask Claude or GPT to come up with one for them. just pure slop from end to end, the person at the helm a complete thoughtless husk. $0 is more than they deserve.

>>109001238
WASM solves this

>>109004213
I built an app in a macos vm, just do it faggot

>>109006432
Examples? I’m thinking of getting back into producing

>>109006760
>In order to do that you need to have testing. You also need to worry about security, scalability, resource usage, et al.

Claude can do all of that.

>>109010853
>they ask Claude or GPT to come up with one for them

The absolute state of some people. Would explain all the todo and SEO apps/services that was all solved over a decade ago.

>>109010886
How does it solve it?

>>109010960
Not him, but *in theory* WASM is in a position to offer the raw performance and hardware access of low-level languages, combined with a near-universal software platform (a Web browser engine), over a near-universal distribution medium (the Internet). In practice, this approach mostly fizzled out for the same reasons Steve Jobs stopped trying to push for Web apps on the iPhone and opened up the SDK - when you're in a dominant market position, giving away control is a retarded business decision.

When Google started pushing for Progressive Web Apps at around 2016, their goal was to play into their own dominant position over the Web, to undermine the concept of native mobile apps and centralised app stores (thus severely hurting Apple), as well as to appeal to the ideals of "an open Web", back when there was still some hope for such a thing. Apple was (understandably) openly hostile to the idea, doing everything it can to sabotage it, e.g. not allowing Chromium on iOS, not implementing PWA/WASM standards on Safari (or implementing them in a deliberately shitty/broken way), continuing to perpetuate the idea that Web apps are and always will be inherently inferior to native apps, and so on. Google also realised that instead of directly attacking Apple's business model, they have more to gain from just becoming another Apple.

By 2026 it's very clear that Google is hell-bent on enforcing a closed, "trusted" ecosystem - no custom ROMs, no software distribution outside of Google Play, no solving ReCaptcha without the official Google Chrome, no using stock Android without ID verification. Without any major players left to push for PWAs and WASM, performant software that runs on any browser becoming the standard distribution model, is a straight up pipe dream.

>>109010886
Hm, good point. But I never tried it myself, so hard to judge if you're completely right or not.
Anyways, it probably does not offer anything that runs in the background reliably.

>>109013690
>a near-universal software platform
My problem with browsers is how bloated they are. There's a certain charm in native apps that only do what you want them to do.

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>>109001168
Every problem on earth is already solved and the solution is behind a paywall, it's called "Capitalism". Capitalism devolves into feudalism bullshit in the long run where our tech billionaire overlords hold all the power in the year of our lord 2026. The only difference would be in the brief moment where we were figuring/inventing out shitty web apps, a nigga could dream that he could make it — the same cannot be said today.

~ Palantir Panty Sniffer

>>109013827
They're bloated because the one browser instance is meant to run anything you can throw at it. You can remove the majority of bloat by compiling Chromium yourself and only including APIs needed for whatever specific Web app you might have. But unless you only ever run that one app, you'll eventually find yourself needing to compile another instance with a different set of APIs, thus adding the bloat back in. Native apps can be "charming", but it's not like OS libraries needed to run the majority of them aren't bloated either. Let's not forget shit like Electron, where you don't get the performance or leanness of a native app, don't get the portability of a Web app (despite it literally being one), but you do get to install and run a whole separate chromium instance per app and the ability to download and install ee ecks ees like a boomer.

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>>109001168
The Reddit OP is a total sperg. One of those guys who went completely mental when AI became mainstream and spend their whole free time generating random garbage of all kinds. Legitimately some deus ex shit

>>109014239
>I don't need to pay for apps anymore
>I now pay for tokens instead

>>109014239

>I'm just sharting out random vibeslop apps that I personally want without any thought for the market or economy
>wtf why aren't they selling like hotcakes automatically?

>>109001168
we used to sell traffic to appstores some ~15 years ago - and it was already impossible to get any users without enormous marketing budget back then, the coding was never the bottlneck

>>109001168
>I copy other apps and make cheap knock offs
>why aren't I popular?

For a senior programmer, AI tools are a godsend... I've had more fun programming than the last 15 years combined because I can delegate so much to AI while making a ton of money

Just review what AI produces and you're fine... but if you don't have experience, you can't review, hence slop lol

Programming is more alive than ever imho

>>109001229
TPBP.

This is the reality vibe-code sloppas need to understand: Why would I use your (insecure totally be design) instant messenger when WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Discord, etc. etc. etc. already exist and have users?

>NOOO YOU MUST SUPPORT MUH HECKIN' WHOLESOME VIBECODE!
No. :) <3

>>109001311
bash is great for interactive use. lots of people have tried to replace bash with something more 'sane', and all have failed.

it seems that structure and terseness are mutually exclusive properties of a language.

>>109001168
i only open the app store to redownload grindr. the age of being interested in new apps and browsing the app store are dead unless youre a newborn ipad baby

>>109002018
that or he doesn't want to dox himself.

in a lot of places, if youre running an LLC (or whatever regional equivalent), you have to list your personal name and address in a publicly accessible online registry, and your online service must list the company registration number somewhere.

>>109001168
The post is also written by Claude. It makes sense on an AI sub, but somehow it still bothers me.

>>109014833
If you review you never get a 10x boost, physically not possible. I actually think writing code is even quicker than reviewing.

>>109015649
The problem is largely that many scripts depend on bash while pretending to be more universal than that, it isn't because a shell is not better than bash is.

>>109015670
That is only true for a few jurisdictions (UK and Sweden come to mind). In most cases that is not true, either it's fully protected or you need to have a special data order with the government entity in charge of the company registry and you might get denied in some cases if you're not, e.g., an investor doing dd or something like that.

>>109001225
Poo to the loo, Pajeet.

>>109001168
Shit like this is why Jellyfin, Audiobookshelf and a ton of other open source self hosted shit are getting flooded by vibe coded clients.

>>109015783
In Germany you also have to put in on your website, I think some other EU countries too.

>>109001168
AI killed software. Unless you're a grifter or with deep VC pockets don't even bother to build anything.

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Imagine you're a coal miner who learned to code.

>>109002117
>food analogy

>>109002035
And thus the wheel turns once again.

>>109001168
you're telling me normgroids couldn't even build a single use app in the before times?
that's genuinely a shocker to me

>>109001168
Anyone with half a brain cell can spot AI made apps and avoid them. they all look the same. They have the exact same style. Their advertising sections all read and look the same. When people post their programming projects that are clearly made with LLMs they are shamed.

>>109001168
This is why I think lot of the pro-AI non-billionaires are fucking retards. You celebrate the market becoming easier to get into yet you fail to realise that there aren’t infinite customers. Why should some guy in basement be the one running 50 agents shipping products when the company hosting those models could just do it themselves. Small business owners need to realise that they are just a self-employed employee who takes inputs and gives away outputs. When you don’t need employees the economy does not need your business.

its not 2009 anymore, very few voids in the app market anymore to even justify attemping to make an "app", all the low hanging fruit was solved by 2013. everything new now is some massive venture that requires mass amounts of capital or require non-trivial solutions. these fucking retards are so late to the party on the "learn to code"