What causes this?
>>109001970>RT
>>109001970unless it all drops like 60% I am not interested
>>109001970Short term pain for longer term pain
>>109001970Nobody actually knows what causes it but it's an opportunity to either make money or become homeless so who cares?
Allegedly it's because Broadcom did worse revenue than expected and this effected the rest of the AI bubble too, since it would suggest that AI isn't growing exponentially. I've also seen some stuff about treasury yields after the recent (cooked) US jobs numbers, but I don't know much about that.
>both DOW Jones and S&P have been falling down recentlyRT or not, truth is, the stocks are dipping. Long term or short term, there is a stock value dip. Will it result in a crash, who knows, likely not yet.
>>109001970It's fine, it's you who will pay for their mistakes later.
ed zitron is winning
>>109001970It's imaginary numbers. It's not real.
>>109001970How many times have you seen the exact same screenshot of a bunch of companies in the red, then in the green, then in the red again? This is meaningless.
>>109001970People pulling their money so they can invest in upcoming ipos?
>>109002675Momentary fluctuations? Yep.The general trend? All stocks have been going down since the start of the month, after reaching the highest historical peaks. Whether they'll bounce up again or continue sliding down, we'll see.
>>109002720>stock goes down after reaching highest peak ever in history of peaksWow what a surprise.
>>109002726This competes for the most genuinely stupid thing I've read online ever. I hope you're trolling.
>>109001970https://finviz.com/maphttps://www.tradingview.com/heatmap/Unless you're trading, why would you give a flying fuck about day to day movements like this?
Are these stock prices? Isn't that unrealized money?They were up $2T like a week ago and now they're down $2T but this isn't even really 0 sum since they never had the 2T in the first place.All this shit is meaningless.I'm the owner of my own company and I'm selling my stocks at $3T a share, I decided that's how much I'm worth.
the crash is coming
>>109001970Unwarranted hate for progress—Luddite behaviors.
>>109002818If the market is willing to pay $3T a share then that's what you're worth.The whole thing about valuing companies based on the price of all outstanding shares is that you literally can't cash out without sending the stock price to zero.
>>109001970this has convinced me that russia is winning and the west is falling
>>109001970The belief that if they are the first ones to 'solve' AI they will win everything.
>>109002818>Isn't that unrealized money?No.For every one stock trade there must be someone buying a stock and someone selling a stock. When there's too many sellers, the price lowers to either make them drop or to get more buyers, because they think it's underpriced. If there's too many buyers the price goes up to either make them drop or encourage more sellers, because they think it's overpriced. The price is just an equilibrium point between buyers and sellers.So at any given moment, the amount people are investing is equal to the amount others are realizing their gains for, minus spread.>I'm selling my stocks at $3T a share*asking for $3T a share, a sale requires a buyer>I decided that's how much I'm worth.You decided how much you want, aka how much you THINK you're worth. Others are free to disagree, by either not buying, or if they are also a shareholder (which there need to be others to be publicly listed), by listing their shares at $2.99T a popWhat is unrealized money is the market cap aka shares x price. It represents how much money would be transferred if everyone with a share sold. But obviously, that massive sale volume would crater the price. If there are 10B shares and the price is $10 you would need buyers that have $100B in total and believe $10 is an acceptable price. Except if $10 (and below) is acceptable to them, and they have so much combined capital to buy the entire company at that price, they would already be buying at $10 until the price rose above it. Therefore, a willing and capable group of buyers for the whole company at the current price cannot exist, because if it did they would already be buying, raising the price above what it is now
>>109002668poorfag cope lol
>>109002677no one wants to buy them. hence all the Nasdaq fuckery to push them to index funds and boomers.
>>109001970Every single American could have been paid $3000/mo on just the amount of money big tech has lost this year so far.
>>109003464Every single American used three times as much in free tokens that are supposed to get them hooked. it all checks out.
>>109003325I think he was pointing that out. I have a septillion dollars of shitcoin crypto I can't sell, that's just as real. He could sell one share of his own company stock to any random nigger for $0.01 and if he issued 10^82 shares, then his net worth in dollars is greater than the number of atoms in the universe.In one sense it's more real since those stocks have credit issued against their value, derivatives, standing stop losses and other leverage that could make any downturn hit critical mass pretty easily. The only positive force counterbalancing this is the expectation of future profit or future suckers, which seems to be faltering.
>>109001970>What causes this?The bubble popping.
>>109002675The last time this happened it had a direct, reversible, reason. Aka, the liberation day tariff hikes.This is happening now because the fake demand for AI is beginning to collapse.
>>109002818A brilliantly stupid belief.
>>109003325>What is unrealized money is the market cap aka shares x price.but that's what op is talking about. market cap lost $2T.so 'yes', op is talking about unrealized money.
sorry, bobos, but there will be no popping yet. just a correction before the next mindless pump. there's still too much dumb money in the system.
>>109003579>minor dip>"IT'S OVER! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!"
>OH NO MONEY DISSAPEAREDNo, it just changed hands
>>109001970Capitalism and the system itself. Go to hell, GAFAMs, Blackrock, Vanguard and Rothschild.
>>109003646the fuck did passive investment managers like blackrock and vanguard do? they are fucking passive.
>>109002818>I'm the owner of my own company and I'm selling my stocks at $3T a share, I decided that's how much I'm worth.someone has to buy it before that's real
>>109001970Because if you zoom in on the downward blip at the end and pay attention to only that bit, it looks really bleak. It took a bigger dump earlier this year, but that doesn't change the overall upward trend over the past year.
>>109001970>Lobby all governments to invest in magic beans>magic beans don't sprout and lead them to the pot of gold in the sky>turn into weeds nobody wants to take care of or buy>It's OK, we can fall back on our social media assets! >all social media is overrun by magic bean weeds choking out real human contentI hope big tech fucking dies from this. Hoisted by its own petard.
>>109003670>the fuck did passive investment managers like blackrock and vanguard do?NTA shit like this >>109003940 is directly their fault. The economy is in the toilet. The only thing keeping it alive is passive investment solely devoted into AI. This is why we have such huge, unexplainable swings in commodities like Gold. It's also why we have bizarre reality-bending logic behind companies going to the moon after posting huge losses like Oracle. It's literally passive investment managers swinging their weight around to get fat off of people putting their money into the only thing worth holding right now: Tech stocks and AI grifting. We would be great depression levels right now without it.
>>109003960AI is based, we need to start enslaving luddites
>>109003899I bought one three trillionth of one share for $2. He's actually twice as rich as he said.
>>109003960>>109003964I think the truth is somewhere in the middle between these. It looks a lot like the dot-com bubble from the early 2000s. Lots of companies popping up doing AI stuff, existing big companies jumping on the bandwagon without much thought, almost all companies feeling left behind if they don't say "AI" somewhere in their quarterly report, consumers seeing it as the next big thing, yet very few of these companies actually making back nearly what they spent on AI. We're probably going to see the same sort of thing where wild speculation drives it up and up until it pops, then we get a recession and a lot of the AI companies die, after which some old and some new companies will find practical and profitable uses of it. As the technology gets better, it'll be able to do more while using cheaper chips and less electricity too.We are in the wild speculation and primitive technology phase right now.
>>109003950>I hope big tech fucking dies from thisit would be great for us tech workers. no more privacy invasions, or overinflated/locked down hardware, no more slavery and shitty jobs taken over by incompetents and pajeets...
>>109001970It is just toxic IOUs from massive amounts of debit that has accumulated over the decades. It is power keg of economic correction that will make 1929 look like a bad day by comparison.
>>109004010The 1929 crash wasn't even a fucking bubble and we still got the great depression from it. This could definitely be worse, if it does pop. We had a bubble in 1929 because of speculation on fucking ANTIBIOTICS and ELECTRICITY and AUTOMOBILES. How silly will this be in comparison?
>>109004042>1929 wasn't even a bubble!Imagine being this ignorant. You are right that this correction will be much worse then 1929.
>>109001970The bottom plug was pulled out by God. The retards in FaggotValley couldn't fix the AI hallucinations and now the investors are pulling back the choke chain. All good things must cum to an end...
the ai companies will try to persuade the government ai is critical to the defense sector that taxpayers need to bail them out. are you ready to be a stakeholder in a failing industry?
>>109001970Cash outs.It's easy to complain about the occasional "bleed out" or "wipe out" """"erasing"""" trillions of dollars from the (((stock market))) and completely ignore that it "made" ten times as much just the last year.It's pointeless to invest and never cash out, specially when there's fresh new blood like SpaceX on the horizon.
>>109001970It's the end times, the bubble cannot sustain itself any longer.It will pop mid 2027 and will take us all with it.>>109002600sevenpostbestpost
>>109003950>>turn into weeds nobody wants to take care of or buyThe demand for AI has not stopped growing. It seems you're stuck inside a denial bubble. Consider going back to twitter/bluesky.
>>109001970AI bubble is popping. Fallout from Iran, economy is fucked, massive droughts hitting most of the US, awful jobs numbers.Companies are also balking at the new token based billing and finding out that there's little to no productivity gains and that it's actually cheaper to hire humans at current token costs.
>>109004042but we have fiat currency now instead of gold, so we can just set interest rates to 0% or even sub-zero and print money until the economy starts working again :-)
>>109003993naw, that's a private sale and also negligible volumethat's not 'market cap'
>>109004074>The demand for AI has not stopped growinggr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
>>109004001Trump will just bail AI companies though.
>>109004105literally the government bailing itself out. the tech sector has been the de-facto surveillance and propaganda arm of the government for decades
>>109001970Looking for excuses for liquidity for spacex ipo this week
>>109003579This confuses and angers the goyim.
>>1090040521928 getting a +40% in one year from antibiotics and television and every single company hyping *electricity* was not a bubble, we know that was pretty rational actually. The ensuing bank failures not so much, but banking was very different back then.Us getting +25% over the last year from every single company hyping AI? Hopefully in hindsight they'll say this wasn't a bubble, that the machine god really did 10x productivity so the valuations were rational, but I doubt it.
>>109001970>bleeds 2TThat money never existed in the first place. Stock market is the most overvalued, overhyped market with no real liquidity. Any small sell causes massive drop.
funnily enough, anon wins again by doing absolutely nothing.
>>109004204wins what
>>109004189The problem isn't the tech or it's role out.It's similar ti the housing market collapse or the dot com bubble where the fundamentals are unsound, it's the fact that people are straight up scamming the market and then walking into fdic banks and taking out loans on the fact that they successfully scammed a bunch of boomers and they plan on theoretically continuing to scam those boomers, and therefore the government should be able to give them a loan on the theoretical profit they will make scamming said boomers indefinitely.
>>109003529It's happening now because there had just been a massive rally and all the opportunists hopped off the bandwagon to lock in gains
>>109003960Passive investment is not swinging anything, it's passive. Especially marketcap weighted indicies, because they auto adjust with price without doing anything.
number should always go up
stonx go uppy and then downnews at 11
>>109001987Yeah, but they just reported it. It was one of the biggest drops in stock market history.
>>109002982Why are Elon and some chink freezing my withdrawals? What the fuck? I want my money back!
BUY THE DIP
>>109004189>doubling down on the ignorance Keep trying you might learn something
>>109004208Instead of losing two whole weeks of paper gains, anon wins by doing nothing and only losing inflation + usd devaluation
>>109001970Investors being scared and selling off. Is this your first time learning about stocks?
>>109002815>why would you give a flying fuck about day to day movements like this?Because nothing is happening in the news and people are dying for something to be a headline. No one cares if it ultimately doesn't matter since the market always trends up and recovers. They only want the dopamine hit of the now.
>>109002726Hmm I wonder when was the last time something like that happened and how it ended
>>109001970NOT THE GOYSQUARES
