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Fingers still...

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Sometimes chatgpt will generate extra images

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Crawler exploration vehicle in arctic tundra at night, cel-shaded, 90s anime style, grainy film texture, detailed mechanical design, snow drifts, aurora borealis, harsh shadows, VHS aesthetic, Akira/Patlabor inspired, wide shot, reference sheet lighting

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Created in the iconic bold, comic book-inspired style of classic GTA loading screens, this digital illustration balances a warm sepia base with vibrant earthy tones for a gritty, vintage criminal underworld vibe.

Centered in the frame, a weathered middle-aged Caucasian man leans lazily against a heavily weathered red brick wall. The bricks are a rich, faded terracotta, chipped at the corners, stained with rain soot and moss, with cracked mortar peeking through. A faded, smudged green gang tag is scrawled low on the wall, and a rusted iron fire escape juts out above him, casting a long, warm shadow across the concrete sidewalk at his feet.

He wears a perfectly tailored herringbone tweed suit in earthy burnt sienna and olive tones, with a frayed white collared shirt unbuttoned at the neck and a matching tweed flat cap tilted low over his left eye. A thin scar cuts across his right cheek, and his jaw is covered in coarse, day-old stubble. His hold casually a polished wooden stock shotgun. Late afternoon golden hour light, which filters through a hazy sky and washes the entire scene in a soft sepia overlay.

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Anime background art, quick/loose painted strokes, abandoned Midwestern factory in decay, rust and soot stains, old machinery silhouettes, dangling cables, cracked concrete floor, pale winter daylight through shattered skylights, haze and dust motes, subdued desaturated colors, heavy melancholy, dull and tired mood, wide-angle composition, background-only.

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Snake Plissken on his makeshift throne, rooftop of ruined Manhattan skyscraper, post-apocalyptic New York skyline behind him. Sitting confidently, tactical rifle across lap, worn leather jacket with cobra insignia, signature black eye patch over left eye. Weathered face with stubble, intense one-eyed stare, long dark hair. Throne made from salvaged metal and debris. Destroyed buildings and smoke in background. Dynamic lighting, dramatic shadows. 2000s action comic book art style, detailed linework, bold colors, gritty textures, Frank Miller influenced, cinematic composition

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Old 1940s–1950s pulp war comic illustration, front view of a WWII German Panther tank centered in frame, winter pine forest background with tall dark pines, snow on branches and ground, cold misty air. The tank is painted in white-stripes dazzle over green camouflage, bold geometric shapes (hard-edged polygons) intersecting and interrupting each other, high-contrast pattern clearly readable on the glacis and hull front. Turret rotated left (gun pointing left), strong heavy shadows under the hull, snow clinging to track edges. Thick black ink outlines, expressive cross-hatching, Ben-Day dots / halftone shading, slightly limited vintage print palette, subtle paper grain, slight ink misregistration, dramatic pulp lighting, cinematic but printed-comic texture.

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Extreme close-up portrait, low-angle view from below, rushed manga sketchnoting style, soft warm autumnal pastel color palette, pure and emotional mood. A cute young woman with porcelain skin, long auburn hair, and a slim figure, wearing a vivid red trench coat and a thin golden necklace. She leans slightly down toward the viewer with her hands on her hips, smiling softly, making gentle eye contact, with a faint blush on her cheeks. She is standing beneath a tree outside her cozy village house during golden hour. Warm sunlight, drifting autumn leaves, peaceful intimate atmosphere, tender and heartfelt, loose expressive linework, soft sketchy shading, delicate hand-drawn feel.

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A solarpunk digital anime painting, rendered in gouache and ink. Fine, delicate brushstrokes, crisp ink lines, subtle gouache washes, and bright, saturated colors.

Subject: A comely, young woman with pale skin, long wavy light golden brown hair, skinny build, and bright blue eyes. She's wearing baggy, patched-up dungarees, a soft cloth headgear (solar sun hood or wrapped bandana), and work gloves tucked or hanging loose. She's kneeling gently, tending to exotic plants with her hands in the soil.

Scene: A lush, sun-dappled summer forest clearing. Nearby, a small, moss-covered crawler vehicle with solar panels rests quietly, integrated into the environment. Surrounding her are exotic, oversized fronds, glowing-veined leaves, and wild tropical blooms.

Lighting & Atmosphere: Bright sunny summer day, golden rays filtering through trees, long soft shadows, floating pollen motes, and a gentle breeze. Warm, optimistic, and harmonious with nature.

>>109012608
wife. shalltear is wife too.

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Grok cooked hard on this one

>>109012608
are there local models that can generate images like this or only the nozzled ones?

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>>109014172
There are, but you need a beefy PC and very specific Loras for pose, characters and overall looks.
The corpo ones are just easier to use.

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Flow is being weirdly prudish with picrelated's prompt, I had to remove "her legs are bare", it's implied anyway, which improved things a bit, but it still passes around half of the times.

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>>109014828 (Me)
I didn't see this:
>>109011906
It might be a related issue, even if mine wasn't even PG-13, I think... On the other hand, something like picrelated basically doesn't get blocked at all (only issue in the old prompt was wolfie's age, 18yo, it gave me an error mentioning explicitly minors, I changed that and it started working flawlessly).

>>109012608
I'm subbed to her TikTok and jerk to her at least three times a week.

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mostly failed attempt at a decent vampire and victim image

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One thing that can be noticed in Flow, when using NBP, is that now generations are completed at 60%, whereas until yesterday they pretty much consistently got completed at 50%. It might imply some kind of additional visual filtering, maybe?

And yeah, that has always been a weird quirk, only NB2 gens get actually completed at 100%.

>>109013339
Nice.

>>109015714
>>109013387
Too.

>>109014930
I should probably take any reference to age out entirely...Unfortunately NB has this bad habit where if you don't go out of your way to emphasize that the person is "college aged" or "18 years old" or "in their early 20s" it'll jump right to making them look mid to late 40s with stress wrinkles (tbf this was more of a problem with NB1)

>>109015158
I haven't totally worked out the difference betwen NBP and NB2, they definitely have sort of a distinct vibe but roughly analogous quality. NB2 I think might adhere to reference images more closely. Not sure if either of them are more lenient in terms of censorship.

>>109015115
Kek, what's her @?

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>>109015146
This is fucking hot, love it. I was prompting vampires today as well. I was aiming for a gay scene but gave me this chick instead and I'm not even mad

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>>109015731
Noticed the ageing women especially when trying to go for "motherly" and similar descriptions in painterly styles, honestly I didn't really touch the original Nano Banana.

In terms of visual differences, in my opinion NBP tends to be (relatively) more "faithful" to the actual style one is trying to emulate and I pretty much use it almost exclusively. For instance mixed media anime/manga styles tend to come out a bit more generic-looking, I think... Again, it might be subjective.

But NBP, at least on Flow, is also more prone to rewrite your prompt, NB2 is more faithful/accurate, this is very easy to notice... you can type "bare shoulders", "naked", and NBP will dress the gal anyway; NB2 doesn't really do that, at worst the visual filter blocks you. Not really sure about references as I use them little, generally only for details (logos, exact objects).

>>109016066
Pinkchyu

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>>109016939
It works nicely even with NBP. I was wondering, anon, have you considered using that "MindVideo AI" for more gpt-image-2 gens, now that Arena killed it? I've never used it myself, but besides the tripfag even the anon sharing the prompts has started using it now The watermark is annoying, but one can live with it. Capcut also offers gpt-image-2 now and its watermark is smaller, less intrusive and generic (Ai), but it might rewrite the prompt because it places an agent between you and the model (which is fucking stupid).

Is anyone here subscribed to Grok for image generation???

I need to verify if it's worse or better than OpenAI's image generation so I know what to dish the money on...

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>>109017001
was completely unaware of mindvideo ai. pic related is with it. you are right about the watermark, an especially annoying watermark, i cropped it out.
i have been quite depressed about arena dropping it. i'll mess with mindvideo a bit.

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>>109017094
Eh, I've noticed that a bit, the thread was much faster back when you were using that model via Arena (and you're more creative than repetitive autistic children like me). I'd suggest you to give a try to Capcut too, checking out whether the rewriting thing ruins your prompts or not; it's the one I used for the maned wolf the other day (that was NBP because it's the model I prefer), the limit is generous enough at 20 free gens/day.

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>>109017167
sadly capcut/dreamina, it seems to not have g-i-2 available to use, in my region

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>>109017438
Shame. I think it might have an anti-American bias (Capcut belongs to Bytedance), it's not the first time I read people not having access to models I can access, I remember similar issues with the related Dreamina platform and some new model they (Bytedance) launched... Maybe you could try to use it via Opera using its EU proxy, it's a stupidly easy and unobtrusive solution that was suggested here back in the CiCi days.

FTR, I was referring to capcut dot com but on my end even dreamina dot capacut dot come offers gpt-image-2.

Is there no dedicated site for the new GPT image model? Is it only one image at a time through ChatGPT?

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>>109017893
That and API are the only official solutions, yep. They happily killed Sora and they're seemingly trying to copy Anthropic's model of business...

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TiddyBench: Archer Edition

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I'll keep using dall-e until the last minute

>>109015115
i was going to ask for prompt thinking how the fuck they pulled it off w/ dalee bc is cucked beyond hell

>>109017001
>>109018260
I like the quotes! What's your favorite piece of his?

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>>109018886
"Discourse on Voluntary Servitude"? He was quite metal for a jurist in the 16th century.

>>109019071
Can I have the prompt for this? both positive and negative. It's going to be funny to replace her with a real-life cat.

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>>109019235
It's in NBP: https://pastebin.com/bsejrm7N

>>109019071
>>109019341
>>109019358
adorable character, shame about the rejection of hierarchy

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>>109019441
Hierarchy by itself is fine, as long as it's functional and temporary/reversible. Parent and child, teacher and pupil, medic and patient, etc., they're all hierarchical relations. The problem is fossilised domination with no mobility, no accountability, etc.

Grok appears to either have a new model or a reduced step count on the quality mode. It's pretty bad.

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FTR, Flow added a small "Leaving 6/16" at the side of Imagen 4 in the model selection field. And it looks like the whole Imagen 4 family of models will get completely retired on 24 June.
https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/deprecations#imagen-models

>>109023135
yes, u should know and learn about the wrong kind of leftism
t. your leftist anononous fren

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>>109023224
Not sure about what you mean with "wrong kind of leftism".

Can the useless mods on this shit website just permanently move this to /hr/ or something.

These threads are still retarded and they have as much to do with technology as a picture of a glass of water in a thread where people are talking about fishing.
There's no direct analogy because there has literally never been technology that is this simple to use with this much mass appeal for the braindead masses.

You pushed the button and the magic box made you a picture of an anime girl riding a giant squirrel.
Fucking fascinating.

Can you pull something out of your walnut of a brain to say about this before all of this is deleted and this board smells less like curry.

>>109024242
that's why I'm here, to express myself to my lil homies
I don't want to write a whole essay so I'll try to summarize, everything I've seen from you ticks all the boxes on the good stuff
now for what's wrong leftism, again ultra-summary:
so right around occupy wall street movement, a new kind of leftist talking point took traction, and I'm pretty sure this was all artificial and funded by the usual. those talking points talked about gender and race, which you might think, oh perfect we should pay attention to that as well, tru
BUT, look again, where is the worker's movement? it is being thrown out the window, and that was the exact goal it wanted to achieve, that's right divide and conquer, before you say anything, yes I'm white male and straight, but that's irrelevant. what I want to say, is that the worker's rights movement aims for one simple thing the well being and quality lifes of the working class, their freedom, their life, etc. and that was a lab grown parasite inserted to sabotage it
I don't know if you're trans or not, but yes, that one movement also fits the description
all in all, D&C is the name of the game to sabotage
let's not forget that workers around the world gave their lives for us to have 8 hours shifts, vacations, universal healthcare and so on
sadly, back then the right to a decent home didn't seem to be an issue, I assume they could just build it themselves and roll with it, that shit doesn't roll nowadays, and we have artificial house bubbles to provide just another opression vector towards us

>>109024309
text too long, should have said: AI board now

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Damn, all models too retarded to shorten head to the red line. I'm going to redo the slopped background anyway (mugshot lines), so I'll just cut top of image and slightly scale it. What I'm doing is I'll have her upper half of body be exactly 3.5 heads tall.

>>109024327
If there were a board for AI it would be people discussing transformers and the technicality of algorithms involved in deep learning.

This thread is a bunch of people slapping a big red button and saying it's related to technology because the button itself is technology.

In a world where you can invent the replicator from Star Trek, these "people" would be throwing Michael Jordan's game winning basketball into it and the rest would clap like seals going "woooooow sirs amazing".

I don't go to any of these generals. Just knowing that they exist is legitimately making me retarded.
Just stop. Please. For the love of god.

Keep this godawful, annoying pigslop on Facebook and X and everywhere else that the normies use this mystifying technology for the dumbest reasons possible.
Keep it off of a board for "technology" intended for people to discuss technology and how it works and what it means.

There is nothing else to say about this because it is that one-dimensional.

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Didn't read

>>109024448
kek

>>109024318
>I don't know if you're trans or not
It's obvious he is one

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>>109024318
For better or worse, I think the era of identity politics might have ended to a significant degree; people vote for the likes of Mamdani because they want accessible housing and welfare, the coalition of minorities has become a secondary aspect. At this point it's mostly people on the right who keep using the woke meme of identity politics because a) it's useful for them as people resent them to various degrees; b) it produced real changes in societies (and reactionaries hate change). This is purely analysis, honestly I'm not sure whether this new leftist populism can work in the long term in its current form, and identity politics themselves were a response to actual issues, even if they overshot later; people can't be completely subsumed to class identity alone, without erasing their other identities. And to a significant degree, the loss of the class discourse in leftist political discourse wasn't just a consequence of identity politics themselves, it was a consequence of the whole discourse about the "end of history" and capitalistic liberaldemocracy as the final political model which was accepted at face value by much of the left (Third Way BS) after the fall of the USSR. In previous eras, fighting for class rights happened *alongside* fighting for other rights (e.g. feminism, anti-racism in the sense of dismantling apartheid-like policies), one doesn't (and shouldn't) exclude the other.

Personally, I sit a bit at the side of everything, I got deeply convinced that the State reproduces domination no matter the intent of the one holding power. But dismantling the State won't happen overnight, maybe it won't ever happen, so I still look at what can reduce distortions, harm and sufferance now, instead of amplifying it. The critic itself remains useful as reminder that We're not the State and the State isn't Us. It's just a coordination system, one that emerged because of specific contingent, historical, reasons. But it's not eternal essence.

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>>109024965
I'm a cisgender, straight, male. I don't identify as white for several reasons, but functionally I probably count as white, albeit in this country, luckily, the whole race discourse isn't (wasn't) so pervasive until recently. Yeah, the fact that that other anon wondered whether I am or not puzzled me a bit, though.

>>109024984
it's complicated, one wonders when will the mass of retards will finally see the true colors of whom they're voting for, it's like they're a baby with 0 memory of the whole class struggle and what the right actually stands for
I want to highlight a couple of things
1. anarchy as a state organization, when I was doing my internship I got handed surrealist anarchic pamphlets, they described an anarchy state and organization, it was all assemblies, from neighborhood, to city to state to country, BUT the core of it all was the neighborhood, meaning the neighbor assembly decided their member to represent them at the city one, and so on
so in a way power is rooted actually and truthfully from the people. I found it fascinating. And getting sidetracked a bit here , there are towns in my country that function in an assembly way. marinaleda is the name if you want to read

2. one raper I listen to that I love described the right vs left struggle in a very interesting way, I can only be doubtful but in awe nontheless, right vs left is D&C and the true rulers hide behind it, meaning we're all getting screwed and shadow-ruled

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>>109024996
>cisgender
No straight male ever calls himself that
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100385692/#q100390094
>I have the same middle-eastern lips being half-Algerian
You are not white. Maybe that's why you don't "identify"? kek, real comedy

>>109024996
>whether I am or not puzzled me a bit, though.
other anon here, it's because you sort of avatarfag as the fox/wolf girl

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oop
also I haven't had dinner last night or breakfast this morning

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>>109025042
>marinaleda is the name if you want to read
Fascinating topic, thanks for bringing it up. I've read a bit about it and I'll try to look more into it later.

On electors, honestly I think most people just don't spend a lot of energy and bandwidth on these issues, unfortunately. So they tend to be quite reactive to whatever happened "yesterday".
>>109025051
>No straight male ever calls himself that
Yeah and no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. People resorting to informal fallacies is always useful to calibrate one's answer, thanks.
>You are not white
And I don't mind it, if you want to believe that. White is a construct, like a lot of other human categories. Italian (and Irish, and Poles, etc.) weren't considered "white" in the US a century ago, for instance. Now, IIRC, *even* North Africans, like I am in part, are considered "white" in the US census. That's looking at how human categories are lines drawn on the sand almost in real time. It's laughable.

Personally I never faced any kind of issue because of my ethnic ancestry; if anything else it was my irreligious/atheist upbringing that caused some awkward moments, but I'm sure it was my autism that made them more awkward than what they would have been otherwise.

On the other hand, I *am* quite intrigued by the fact that you fixated so much on what I said more than two years ago. Do I live rent-free in your mind, anon?
>>109025071
I guess that might explain it a bit, over time I started using her to directly express myself, even if it wasn't like that initially (I've been prompting that girl since April 2024). That has more to do with the fact that she was, since the beginning, the embodiment of some kind of ecological thinking I have always had, which I've merged with the anarchist one more recently. It feels like a coherent worldview, one I can live with, and I use her to *symbolically* represent it.

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>>109025351
>irreligious/atheist upbringing
In Italy? That's surprising

>White is a construct
THE COPE IS REAL

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>>109025394
It's because of the mixed ancestry, my (Italian) father *officially* converted, because most Muslim countries require that, I think he's either agnostic or non-confessional (he doesn't talk a lot about that stuff, he seems to like a lot De André's view on Christianity, though); mom says to believe in Allah (she even rejects evolutionism, maybe just to piss me off), but she doesn't fast on Ramadan, etc. and she's very secular in practice, so they settled on not imposing either religion. Ironically, not making a choice *is* a choice. I wonder sometimes whether they knew that.
>>109025442
Look at the Immigration Act of 1924 aimed at southern and eastern Europeans.

>>109025051
>no
Except look at the context it was a reply to.
It's probably closer to "No traditional far right man wants to use a 'newfangled' term used to describe 'natural born male' or 'male (not the troon kind), outside of mockery of the word."

>>109025515
look at your meds, troon

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>>109025573
I don't know about (You), but I have no prescriptions, anon. I'm doing quite fine, actually.

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For some reason, dall-e has trouble making stereoscopic images of simple objects, but makes offbrand Asuka in diving gear easier.
Gets dogged more often but does the effect correctly, while the Pokéball goes through easily but raely does the 3D effect correctly.

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>>109026224
Are those supposed to be ring boxes on the bottom?

>>109021028
could be worse
illustrious v3 worsened the quality almost a month ago.

>>109026757
Grok is obviously trying to cut costs yet they still allow you to have unlimited concurrent gens running at once. I have no idea why they don't just patch this already. It's probably costing them more than anything else.

>>109013590
More.

>>109013272
More, with these proportions.

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>>109027099
>>109027105
Give me ideas nigga

>>109026995
what's the actual prompt for one of these? i'm surprised chatgpt doesn't push back on booba like that

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Four Caucasian women cosplaying the DDLC girls, (from most to least endowed: Yuri >> Monika > Sayori >> Natsuki) each in a Hawaiian shirt matching her hair and eye color. Posing for a photo. 16:9

>>109027423
Meant for >>109027369

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>>109012853
>G.I. Joe "Cobra" looking patch on his arm
Snake wore a brown leather jacket with no patches. The closest snake had was a cobra tattoo on his stomach

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Dayum

>>109027423
>endowed
nice and easy thanks
with only the free tier trying out which synonyms work best is a potential multi day adventure

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Life pro tip: get 4chanX, press F and all nogens disappear.

Lmao lefties are so cooked

>>109027317
add sheer pantyhose

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>so~ cooked!

>>109025085
Forgot to comment this, because of that discussion, but it's the first time I see this, NB2 looked to have no strict limit. Also, how did you even hit it? Lately I often get the "suspect activity" warning (or whatever it exactly says) without having even hit the NBP limit, proxies don't seem to work in bypassing it any more, and that block applies to both models when it gets triggered.

Also, it looks like they solved that percentage thing being wrong with NBP that I mentioned the other day. It just doesn't show any percentage now. Genial.

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Most bizarre usage of this style, I guess.

>>109029119
Wow, that cat is dumb. What a dumb cat.

>>109028923
I didn't count how many, I usually trash my gens every ~60 and delete my trash, and that was happening rather "often" for the day.
In the past week occasionally I see the suspicious activity thing but that always let me gen 1 at a time. I was hammering it with batches of 2 back to back whenever I could for hours straight. Any more would give "you're generating too fast" at some point.
Basically you have to no life the gen button. That was also my first time hitting the daily limit instead of just genning too fast.

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>>109029969
On my end, it gives me quite consistently the "unusual activity" thing after exactly 6 gens (three batches of 2 contemporary gens), allowing me to generate only one picture at the time at that point. Then, sometimes, it blocks them completely with the same suspicious activity message, it deosn't allow me to generate anything without saying that I'm generating too fast or that I've the hit the daily limit; but I think this happens more randomly (at least I've not noticed an exact routine/scheme yet). It might be that my accounts get flagged because I rotate them.

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>>109026233
Sorta. I was thinking jewel box.
It is weird. I thought of a simple object to test the stereoscopic effect but the Pokéball just fails. It keeps making a single image instead of the side by side effect. Those two from the previous post were the only ones that worked.
>Stereoscopic 3D, side by side stereoscopic effect,extreme depth of field, double image. a Pokéball, very detailed, on a black velvet box
I tried to keep it as simple as possible. Tried some other things, and it works with some objects but fails with others. GPT seems to be able to do it as well.

>>109025351
>most people just don't spend a lot of energy and bandwidth on these issues, unfortunately. So they tend to be quite reactive to whatever happened "yesterday".
sadly I fall into this category, but words of wisdom from my father "you either do politics or they do them to you", meaning either you take part or you'll be a victim to "politics", I vote, I'm interested in politics, I pay attention to the news, I talk with people in the streets about politics (and this, talking to people, feels strangely powerful btw) but I don't read, I don't go to demonstrations... about that, I can't miss the next demonstration about housing
what I wanted to say is, I'm not in a labor union and I think this might become necessary at some point...
>I guess that might explain it a(...)
I hate to be that guy, but just make sure she isn't you, I feel like there's a dangerous pathway or downwards spiral if you will, where people start avatarfagging as a girl, and... well, he wants to be the girl and you know how that ends, just... a warning, maybe it is not the case for you, just be mindful just in case, in 4chins, there's been lots of weebs that have fallen victim to it, I'm pretty sure

When are they going to let me generate nsfw images without needing a supercomputer at home sick of this shit

>>109031515
opensource and china are the only hopes left, the usual aren't going to hand us the holy grial, that's 200% not happening

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>>109031336
Yeah, that maxim goes back at least to Pericles, Martin Niemöller's poem about persecution is also an example of how political apathy can result into one's own undoing, if anything else.

On that other topic, it's fine, I've done that thing, literally using female characters as avatar in registered forums, Rei especially, for a lot of time. It never turned into wanting to be the little girl, it's about liking the cute and wanting to associate my posts with the cute, not being the cute. That's not going to change now.

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>>109012608
so fucking sexo!

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>>109031975
wholesome, godspeed brub

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>>109032077
Same to you, compañero. That's quite metal.

>>109032399
we must never forget that blood was spilled in this struggle, plenty of workers blood was spilled, we must remember. it was common for anarchists to kill factory owners, it was common for factory owners to hire partisans to kill workers, those are the roots

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>>109032475
I think people kind of forgot those roots, unfortunately. Our Biennio Rosso resulted in events that were even more temporally compressed in comparison to Spain; anti-worker violence, squadrismo, quickly gave in to the king himself giving power to those who suppressed the workers' protests. While Spain was eventually ruled by fascists for longer, at least they gained power in an extrajudicial way, that, in a way, means that it was *just* power that resulted in their victory, not direct/indirect consent by the masses. And now? People here elected the *direct* heirs of those who used violence against the workers to rule, democratically, my country. It's kind of depressing, actually. But getting depressed over it does nothing to solve the issues we face.

>>109032723
>giving power to those who suppressed the workers' protests
yep, that's the recipe
>
I just hope they finally realize what they're doing, we've got elon going all out "SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM!" when he was the one starting mass layoffs, if you scratch the surface just a bit it becomes obvious. But people are big retards easily taken advantage off.
Let me tell you a little factoid. First the facts: Steve Banon founded the school of the "new right", that you can find on the newspapers of then. I want to tell you more but this is muddy territory, and I 100% don't have got a clue so I don't want to be pointing fingers, but a great power is behind that new right the way they psyops the masses is unheard of, at least for me.
Another thing I wanted to say is D&C still applies. This is a soap opera being played out. And it is very hard for me to abstract myself from this. But I don't think the wealthy people (read not the 0.1% upwards) really want to have to live in a gated community surrounded by chaos guns drugs and violence as soon as they leave, and having to travel with armed guards and armored cars. This is actually going on in Peru, and that's that I know of. The little I've seen of latin america got me fucking shocked, it took me 3 days for me to stop being scared of death and relax slightly. Long story short, even the rich people is getting fucked over one way or the other. We definitely don't want them as "bosses", but I don't think they want us as scavenger bandits either. It's hard for me to express this, but I want to say that we have to find a middle ground and a way to stop being divided and made to fight, because the fight itself is the puppet theater, and that needs to stop.

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>>109032827
Elon is a rich psychopath, which is the worst kind of psychopath. One has just to look at what happened in Northern Ireland after him retweeting/approving certain idiots on Xitter, those were actual houses getting burned, actual people being placed at risk. If nothing is done about it by the British government about the platform and the idiot himself, it's exactly because he's so powerful. Gotta say that I'm not very familiar with what's happening in places like Peru, though. Not speaking Spanish, what little I read about it, contested electoral results, is filtered.

>>109032891
latin america is what happens when the richfags get it their way, sort of
prosches going to the fabela drug houses on the hills, to buy cocaine for cheap
rich people living in gated guarded communities
bandits shooting you dead just to steal your smartphone (this one isn't an exageration, just so you get the picture), just taking your phone out is socially viewed as you asking to get robbed, a good smartphone is worth nearly the salary of person for a month, and if it sells for 1k it's two months and a half
illegal street food and transport businesses everywhere, local businesses paying "protection tax" to the gangs, it's... a nightmare made real

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>>109032933
Isn't Latin America *also* the space where the likes of Zapatistas, Wampis Nation, and Regional Indigenous Council of Cauca, tried to reclaim a space for themselves?

>>109033040
I don't know much, but I think you're right, but here's the epic stuff about latam atm
>be worker's right activist or unionist
>boss hires a poor venezuelan hitman for cheap to kill you
>be students protesting and asking for rights, etc, maybe doing a little riot here and there
>you and your homies get rounded up put in a van taken who knows where and you are "disappeared", rumors has it that they're not just killing them but torturing the living fuck out of them before that
so as of right now, in many parts of latam you try to act up, you are killed, in some places it was "normal" for the police to come out at night and kill people at random, it was "pest control" to kill bandits and so on, literally fucking crazy

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>>109033074
You're right, anon. What you describe is fascism, no matter what. And I'm sorry if I can't handle/recognise it better myself, but one's position is, ultimately, always situated.

>>109033162
I think it is merely ultra-capitalism, sick shit