3-4 years of fucking layoffs with no end in sight. So when is the AI bubble going to burst you anti-AI niggerfags?
>>109014349Correcting overhiring is not AI
>>109014349>muh AIa lot more people need to be fired and it has nothing to do with AI
>>109014349>graph literally shows decades of massive grow, even artificial spikes during covid when the government was paying companies to hire people they didn't need to make numbers look go od>suddenly there's years of cuts following>O M G MuH Ai Is TaKiNg OuR JoBsImagine being that fucking dumb when looking at this chart.
>>109014387>>109014401>>109014425>muh covid overhiringYou retarded niggers will keep saying that in the 2030s, companies are investing billions into AI, AI is already replacing juniors. Cope harder niggers.
>>109014718>see tiny dip for 3 years>immediately thinks it's the big replacement>completely ignores the gigantic spike during covid that was clearly artificial Actual low IQ OP, your own graph shows how fucking stupid you are.
Why would they hire expensive Americans when there are over a billion Indians they could outsource work to?
>look, we fire worthless HR roasties and phone center jeets>this is the BIG AI REPLACEMENTk its getting tiresome
>>109014425I'm not a junior and you've failed to explain why cloudflare's headcount needed to quadruple from 2019 to 2025
>>109015859When they had lower staffing levels they had lower impact system outages. Now that they have more staff they can have more widespread outages.
>>109016092it's amazing what we can achieve when we all work together.
>>109015652They only fire devs. HR roasties didn't lose their jobs, neither did sales, PM, marketing.
>>109014387>>109014401>>109014425>>109014757When will it all fucking end, I want to get a job for fuck's sake
>>109017257>source: trust me bro
>>109017492Source: actual firing data that have been posted ad nauseam when you pajeets try to make these claims.
>>109017582>source: trust me bro
>>109017603We know that's you're only source yes. Google is too hard for a tiny brained pajeet like you.
>>109014349By the end of the year.
>>109017620>We
>>109017257>>109017582>>109017620I am not doubting you, but could you please link to some sources?
>>109017339>When will it all fucking end, I want to get a job for fuck's sakeIt will never end. Every software engineer will either be permanently unemployed or constantly on the verge of being laid off every single day they go to work. You're gonna see a bunch of code monkeys chimping out in the streets burning down tech companies. You're gonna see former SWE wagies snapping and going apeshit after a fat retarded customer screams at them becuase they didn't include enough fries in their order. This industry is fucked, it's an apocalypse and you're gonna see mass riots in the streets. All the jobs will be replaced by AI and shipped to India and the masses will chimp out. Be prepared for the next revolution.
>>109014349>When will it burstThis or next month when IPOs file and few weeks or months later people sell. If this IPO bs is not enough to pop them then nothing will.
If you look at the area under the graph u can see it's actually barely lost shit and are still massively over hired compared to before the pandemic.
>>109021004Selloffs on IPO launches are usually measured in hours to days, not weeks and months.
>>109021010Actually it's net negative from before the pandemic, and jobs are always supposed to go up, not flat. It's like net natality rate: if it's flat it actually means millions are being murdered a year.
>>109014349What is actually surprising is that - according to the official statistics - the US economy on average still adds jobs month after month after months despite the "massive" layoffs in one sector.Meaning that - on average - people getting laid off in tech IMMEDIATELY find new work in the economy PLUS hundreds of thousands of new jobs being created alongside.So everything - on average - is booming except le tech.Or am I misunderstanding something?
>>109021034Yes, you are heavily misunderstanding just about everything. Jobs added are not jobs filled. McWage 0 hour contracts are not real jobs (for example, of the 170k net added jobs last month, 70k were McJobs). Pajeet in india coming on h1b is not helping the local american. Labor participation is still sky high as is unemployment (if you can't find a job within 6 months you are not considered as part of unemployment statistics, but only as part of labor participation).
>>109014425You seem to misunderstand that in our current environment previous positives (even if accumulated) tend to lose all of their meaning when a current read is negative.There is no alternative to number going up PRINT to PRINT.>What's 1000 needs to be at least 1001 at the next read, but if it comes in at 999 at the next read it means there is a loss of TWO(2).Yes, this is logically sound and thorough in our world.
>>109015599checkedfair point
>>109020595Everything what you wrote, except for the chimpouts.People won't do shit, or perhaps>You're gonna see former SWE wagies snapping and going apeshit after a fat retarded customer screams at them becuase they didn't include enough fries in their order.at maximum.
>>109021047>Jobs added are not jobs filled.I kind of lost you there.Then you added feelings to statistics...
>>109014349It's curious how they keep losing the same jobs over and over.
>>109014349After the dotcom bubble they tried to hire competent people back After this bubble they hire nothing but retards that makes anyone with a brain want to find somewhere else to work
>>109021076Bro you don’t want to understand how this financial manipulation works it basically pure criminal
>>109021071>statistics are feelings if I don't like themlol lmao even
>>109014349Yoy think this is because of ai?
>>109021171If that were the case, they wouldn't fire the locals and rehire 94% of the same capacity but entirely in india.In fact, if AI was any good, they'd mass hire instead of do layoffs. Tech can be infinitely reproduced and scaled without any overhead, so each engineer you add to the team is immediately producing outsized returns for the company if AI is as good as they claim (the overhead is in training noobs and such, which they claim isn't a problem with AI anymore).
>>109014349>hiring is proof that "ai is working"AI is a ponzi scheme. It exists because there's still other peoples' money to exploit. It's not going away, because the government can take more of your money if it exists. Data centers can generate a LOT more tax revenue than parks or farmland. Enjoy the future you asked for.
>>109014757Don't forget that the big tech companies were for nearly a decade literally hiring as much 'talent' as they can to deny potential competitors and startups and parking all those employees doing busywork or let them sit in an office / at home working on pet projects, it wasn't just a covid thing
>>109014349Protip these layoffs aren't happening because people are being replaced by AI; they're happening because companies overhired five years ago.
>>109014718use case for not replacing juniors?
>>109014349https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfApUobqN8YThey are already preparing the normgroids on what's about to happen.
what the fuck happened in the dotcom bubble, manI was just a kid back then, so reading these numbers it feels like an ancient calamity happened, like when mongols wiped out entire cities
>>109020595>>109021061Am I a bad person for not seeing as to why it's a travesty that "software engineers" may not all get the jobs they want?The majority of the population doesn't get the job they want, not right away, yet it's societal collapse if a certain portion of graduates don't.
>>109014349Maybe the economy would improve if America hadn't yet again elected the retarded ancient reality TV star to the highest office.
>tech jobsjust because you have a macbook does not mean your job is a tech job
>>109022514You lost tranny
>>109021027I assume there will be enough delusional investors who couldn’t get in that will keep the stocks up.
>>109022501Give examples. You don't see doctors not finding jobs. Or lawyers. They can find shit jobs, but still jobs. There are really no examples except retards who do shit like PhDs in art or whatever. Only in software is it this cutthroat to get a first opportunity. Everywhere else an interview is a simple talk between two people. No capability testing or anything, just "so we're working on this and have problem with A and B, how would you deal with it?", i.e. the easiest part of the interview in a tech interview gauntlet that 0% of people on /g/ ever have even the slightest problem with. So why are the people who actually get the job the absolute biggest morons on the planet? If the problem is too few jobs as is the case in academia, how come pajeet from india and his whole village gets to be employed in the american tech company and not John from Texas who lives a block away from the main office?
>>109021192>putting a datacenter next to a railroad instead of any commercial property that might actually use it ever
>>109022540The current play by investors is to try to get equities by investing in private companies liable to be acquired by e.g. anthropic. For example anthropic is pushing hard into bio and legal, so AI bio and AI legal startups can be quite hot at the moment.
>>109014349>ctrl-f two more weeksobligatory two weeks
>>109022574Not him but you’re out of date, quite badly. Every other STEM field has been obliterated in every western country. Medicine is the only exception but even then, things are getting worse for them too.The idea that it’s only “people who do PhDs in arts or whatever” is badly mistaken. Any PhD in any science has a much more brutal job market than CS is having even now and it’s been that way for decades. Nobody cared because people liked the pleasure of watching apparently smart people cut down to size as it were or like crabs being dragged back into the bucket. Excuses about how it was fine they had seriously unstable work because why fund science anyway, we can’t make shekels off that.Then it was engineers. Engineering got decimated because no western country invested enough in its manufacturing. Which made things even worse for the rest of STEM too, because that took away the usual pivot option. Electrical engineers started struggling to get work. Aerospace job openings exist in maybe a couple of places when the right person dies. They all got fucked, nobody cared.Now it’s your turn. To be clear, I disagree with >>109022501: I think it’s all bad. These people who get highly skilled should have investment in actual opportunities to use their education. There is no point having them work bullshit jobs that don’t need to be done where they’re guaranteed to be unproductive when you could pay them to work using their education which even in the worst case probably won’t be productive, but still gives them a shot at contributing to something of substance instead of spreadsheets and reports about meetings about reports. But it’s just that this field never paid attention to see what was always coming for it too. Now everyone’s in a panic because the job market meat grinder wants to eat them too. But it’s been like this for everyone for a long time and occupational merit has little to do with it.
>>109022501>Am I a bad person for not seeing as to why it's a travesty that "software engineers" may not all get the jobs they want?You're not a bad person, but you ARE a retard for not understanding that it's a really, really bad signal for a country when highly paid jobs are no longer accessible to regular people.
>>109022673I don't know where you're getting that from but it couldn't be more wrong. I have a family and friends, they have jobs in fields other than tech, they can tell me about it, i.e. it's not forbidden to get information from real people. Aerospace I can't talk about but EE is as easy as ever according to my uncle who currently works at STMicro, as are STEM PhDs in areas like chemistry and biology. In fact it's so easy that one of my former colleagues decided he was bored of the bench work so he entered a bio account manager role with 0 experience at a top company. Took him 3 weeks and 10 interview to get in, he had 2 offers to choose from and didn't want to finish the process on the 3rd that was interested. That's what he considered a hard and long job search because in bio he can get anything anywhere anytime. The guy isn't exactly Crick if you get my meaning, either.
>>109022673This anon gets it. It's ultimately the consequence of an economic system run by a bunch of coked-up Jews that drive the financialization of every single aspect of the country. We can't invest into the future, hell, we can't even invest into tomorrow most of the time, because that might mean shareholder value takes a dip for a few seconds causing the Warren Buffets and Bill Gates' of the country to scream their heads off. It's not that capitalism inherently is the problem, but we've built a system that truly does not do anything at all for the health of the country, and benefits only a tiny fraction of a fraction of the wealthiest, who use the government as a cudgel to prevent any other outcome from happening.
>>109014349Even after the bubble pops why does everyone assume the tech industry would be growing organically at all at this point? There's strong incentives to off-shore everything even without AI.
>>109022574Everyone around me?Everyone has had aspirations, whether it be IT, an RN, or just any professional position.I'm just now getting into Google as a datacenter tech at 29, after bouncing between contracts for quite a few years. Took 4 years after college to land that first IT contract.I never expected anything to be easy, not anyone is asking for extremely high end positions and it's difficult. Most people flat out don't make it. Even I feel privileged to be there at the right place and right time. If I didn't take another temporary contract I wouldn't be where I am at.I just personally don't understand where people have an expectation of getting any full time position right after college. Especially when the positions are even more higher end.
>>109022737So you're not talking about "getting a job in tech" which is what the original point, you're talking about "getting a high flying job at a soulless megacorp" because pajeets only know this for a goal. That's apples to oranges. Nobody is saying everyone in tech should be working at Pajeet, Inc., we are saying that people should be able to not be homeless and starve to death.The fact it took you 4 years after college to get a job is entirely on you, though, even the most retarded new grad in the current environment still gets something within 1.5y.
>>109022774nts but are we seriously pretending most cs grads aren't trying to go to fanng?also for all the crying in this thread you're really making the case that your just being a piss baby if it's only 1.5 years max to find a job
>>109022798Not everyone is Indian (yet). Virtually all people who actually care about their work in tech want to be as far as possible from FAGMAN.And keep backpedaling after proving you have an IQ under 20, the only way you could have such a hard time finding a job.
>>109022821the only one who is back pedaling is the one pretending they never cared about big techthey account for most of the layoffs happening
There will be ubi or people start new small companies.
>>109022863OK pajeet, whatever helps you sleep at night.If I thought of you and your ilk as people, I'd be frightened to imagine humans with such little interest in tech their entire ambition in life would be to work at a soulless megacorp as a wheel in a machine churning out some of the worst software ever seen. But it's OK, I know better than to mistake you for one of us.
>>109022870I started a small company about a year ago and haven't been able to get any funding. I have a fully functional highly in demand software with an academic and a business client. However, I can't have more clients as I am already spending >100h a week on taking care of these two clients, and they're only going to start paying after the pilot is over. So far it's been very successful, and I have a pipeline of people who want in that I can't get to.I need the moneys to hire people, otherwise I'll be stuck like this for like 3 years before I have enough money to start hiring. But VCs have been investing in literally nothing but AI for a while now, while simultaneously getting heavily burned by it. Flies to the flame and all.So small businesses that aren't b2c aren't going to make it either.I think that's actually pretty healthy in many ways though.
>>109022881if you had that much interest you wouldn't be pissing and moaning about not getting somethingim guessing now you're gonna act like your actually in a good position and the piss and moaning didn't happen
>>109022902Now pajeet is seeing spooks. Sad. Try taking your meds sometimes.
>>109014757OP you better screencap this shit, the retard won't like it when you repost it in 4 years.
>>109021192>trusting the state ever
>>109022916So what is this thread about anon?Not pissing and moaning about jobs?
>yet another thread about retards trying to jump into an oversaturated market and then crying why they can't get hired within one of the fortune 500 companies on the west coast
>>109022984You argued that it is normal for people to never find jobs in a real field they have the credentials for and that they should be happy to work at macdonald's their whole life, claiming that's how it works in other fields as well. You then didn't stop backpedaling when you were proven indian and you've arrived at around Mars by going so fast.
>>109022707I didn’t say your anecdotes of friends and family are wrong. It’s just that that’s not the complete picture. I myself have a PhD and especially after funding cuts in the US, which also affects other countries too, so this isn’t a local effect, the job market became an absolute bloodbath. It’s been bad for decades but now it’s just comedic.Anyone telling you it’s easy to get a job with a PhD is simply wrong or not giving you the full picture. Statistics show increasingly poor outcomes and underuse of PhDs. I’m actually a bit surprised there are still people who think it’s a good choice for a career. The Simpsons even had jokes about grad students ruining their lives with that choice two decades ago and it hasn’t become easier since.>>109022718And this is exactly why. The economy does not reward productivity. Science, technology, anything that requires thinking, the arts, none of it is respected. This society worships money and money alone and it’s destroying the actually valuable things which create a good society to get it. It’s a pathetic situation that we’re paying all of you (yes including you ITT) to go and get educated and then we absolutely waste your hard work on nothing of consequence when you could’ve easily been given work that contributes to some real benefit to society.
>>109023198This goes for engineers too. It’s all a joke. You watch students go into university to get educated in something useful to society with good job prospects only to watch the market change in 4-5 years while they’re there and by the time they graduate their job prospects have ranked. Then some fat boomer lectures them about how they should’ve done market research before they got a degree and it’s their own fault and they deserve it. Sorry but our young people going into engineering actually should have plenty of useful work to do with their skills. It’s not as if the west is racing ahead with amazing infrastructure, so someone explain why they’re worth about as much as an office worker with a bullshit job or an Uber driver. The system hasn’t made sense for decades for any of these fields and it’s delusional to think it did. Now it’s CS student’s turn to get in the clown car of wasted potential. But as unfair and stupid as it seems for all you people now experiencing this hellish market, it was just as stupid and unfair and ignorant when it happened to everyone else before you.
>>109014349How about getting a real man's job instead of being a pussyfied limp wristed man-woman?>HVAC>Mechanic >Electrician >Steel work >Welding>Longshoremen >Railways>Police>EMTStop being bitches and go to work. >B-but imma CoDeR mAn.No, no you're not.
>>109014349When the reality of the costs start coming home.We're in probably the final 3rd of the bubble at this point. This is where the market starts pivoting to production models that are actually useful for the people who are actually going to use them, and frontier models stop getting the funding they need to keep making the bloated slop models.
>>109023198>ignore everything>just repeat a part that was already preempted in the original>ignore that part as wellYou are so fucking retarded your PhD in gender studies isn't a PhD it's a kindergarten gold star.
>>109023273Based werkin man
