Anons tell it to "me" straight how feasible is AI in space? Won't giga data center cluster outmatch satellites in space since they can concentrate compute closer to each other on earth reducing memory problem in training runs?
>>109015090It’s the dumbest fucking idea out there that you need only highschool education to figure out. Everyone on YouTube said everything about it already. Maybe in like 100 years when we get AGI and there are no jobs for decades do we get this but feasible.
>AI satelliteupdate the webm
>>109015285but whole SpaceX ipo is built on this hype so shouldn't we take it seriously?
Fuck you guys
>>109015090It’s feasible as in technically possible but absolutely no reason to put them there… unless you just so happen to have a reasonably successful company that launches shit into space and want to larp as THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING to boost your valuation by making shit up about the Next Big Thing (tm). Same about muh solar roof, muh gigafactory, muh hyperloop, muh robotaxis, muh robots, muh space by 2023 and so on
>>109015090more reasonable than you would thinkspaceX are already launching shits into spacesfuture fuel and maintainence cost may actually be cheaper than building and upgrading ground data center
>>109015364>>109015368>Risk factors in a prospectus are required by U.S. securities law and are designed to inform investors of potential pitfalls while also shielding companies from future legal liability."Our initiatives to develop orbital AI compute and in-orbit, lunar, and interplanetary industrialization are in early stages, involve significant technical complexity and unproven technologies, and may not achieve commercial viability," SpaceX said in an excerpt from the S-1 filing, which was seen by Reuters.Any future AI orbital data centers will operate "in the harsh and unpredictable environment of space, exposing them to a wide and unique range of space-related risks that could cause them to malfunction or fail," the document said.https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/exclusivespacex-says-unproven-ai-space-data-centers-may-not-be-commercially-viable-filing-shows-4627737
>>109015364Does it mean SpaceX already ran out of shit to send to space?Kek. Global market and yet US has to artificially create demand...
>>109015368Meaning it's absolutely kosher to dump tons of your trash into ocean as long as you put it in space first.
>>109015439isnt star link quiet profitable for them? the whole data center in space makes no sense since badnwith needed to do coordinated training would be too slow plus attempting to get a whole model on one sat might be too big. energy demand, radiators so inference seems to be only practical use.
>>109015459>environmentalistlollmao
>>109015482Starlink is "profitable" because DoD subsidizes it (because it needs it for military purposes).But apparently all those Starlink sats + global demand for satellites + all those shit, literal e-trash in space, cubesats isn't enough to saturate supply Falcons provide.All that effort to develop reusability and it turns out world just doesn't need to send that much shit into space.That's the point of Starship btw - you wouldn't need to launch as often + potential for larger payloads - then maybe the demand would meet supply at the right spot.
>>109015293that webm ripped off most of the videos from 3blue1brown
It’s also feasible to put a data center on top of mt everestdoesn’t mean it’s a good idea, but grifters gonna grift
>>109015090Good luck cooling it in space>b-but le space is le cold!it really is not
>>109015931Ironically it's doing the same thing AI bros love doing, stealing work to create slop. It's actually worse because he straight up just copied and pasted with no credit. 3blue1brown should have been paid or at least fucking credited for this webms creation. And don't get me started on the 3d model animation he stole. I can assure you he didn't fucking get the rights or permission for that either.
I will never get the billionaire mindset of putting datacenters it the most compute-hostile environments imaginable like the desert, and space. Why are all the most powerful people so fucking retarded
if space was cold the sun wouldn’t burn
>>109015090Unless you build them in space directly from space mining, ie you don't send ressources from the ground, this is an utterly retarded idea.
>>109015983Elon wants datacenters in space mecause of spacexIf he had a shipping business it would ne data centers on ships
>>109015090https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2064108916611420273the most important catalyst is the successful launch of an orbital DC, in space you dont need city permits for the water and energy requirements that terrestrial DCs have to go through
They want the systems in space, so when the Western economies shit the bed and inevitable riots start, no one can just burn down a bunch of data centers and collapse the global digital ID and banking system.Once this shit is in space it's here for good.
>>109015983>everyone is losing their shit about datacenters being built in the middle of nowhere>they decide to build in space which is basically unclaimed frontier landFor all the criticisms of billionaires, the critics are exhibit A as to why they aren't the billionaires.
>>109016217So instead of water for cooling you use air but shittier and instead of draining electricity from an existing plant you build your own but you can’t do it planetside because ??>muh permitsYeah there’s just no more empty space in murrica, sad but true
>>109016257Nigger they're not building them in the middle of nowhere, they're building them next to cities, in the desert, because they need the clean water infrastructure. You're just as retarded as they are, no wonder you look up to them.
>>109016260It's permits, lawfare and time.The lawfare is getting more extreme by the day.
>>109016257>they decide to build in space which is basically unclaimed frontier land"They" have not decided anything, Musk is the only one retarded enough to think it's a good idea. Space hasn't been unclaimed frontier land for a good while now, LEO is full of shit and getting crowded very quickly, putting crap up there that doesn't need to be up there and won't even work well up there is, in fact, completely retarded.
>>109016245You can destroy the receivers and the rockets needed for maintenance.>Those will be protected by killer robotsThen the same robots could also protect the data centers.
>>109016260>So instead of water for cooling you use airthere's no air in space dumbfuck and your brown brain isn't capable of reading at a middle school level so you missed the part of the tweet that said it was liquid cooled using radiators>instead of draining electricity from an existing plantdouble digit iq doesn't know what a solar panel iswhy are you here board tourist? are you paid to be here?
>>109016278>they're building them next to cities, in the desertYou wouldn't even consider them cities for how few people actually are there, you personally wouldn't dare live there to begin with but you clutch pearls anyway.If industrial projects can't be done in what where industrial towns then you have zero claims to know better about putting DCs anywhere else.
>>109016321I live in El Paso, retard. You're free to go kill yourself now.
>>109016300>Space hasn't been unclaimed frontier landNo one owns LEO thus no one to complain to stop it.
>starlink already almost causes kessler syndrome>put more compute in space>ai satelites have to spend all their compute on dodging each other
>>109016332Are you actually deluded that they are putting in your backyard versus dedicated sites?
>>109015090Well, you know how retarded it is here, right? Now, and bear with me here, imagine it..IN SPACE!>boardroom erupts into thunderous applause
>>109016314Data centers have infinitely more vulnerabilities than the space based stuff though.You could just fuck with the water pipes to stop the cooling and that's the end of the data center function, or you could simply cut the power.Receivers are way simpler and people wouldn't even know where hell those could be located.
>>109016450>/g/ would rather catch felonies than just get a job
>>109015482$20B/y and growing for Starlink division. They want hundreds of millions of Starlink users world wide. Starlink is currently only v2 stage as well. With Starship, thats gonna go V3 stage with 10X bandwidth increase per sat and 3X capacity per rocket launch. So a single Starship launch will carry same bandwidth increase as 30X Falcon 9 launch for them. This can go even more 10X multiplier if Starship launch rate increases faster than F9's once every few days to once every day or so. And further more, if they have V4 Starlinks, there might be even more multiplier. There's tons to unlock there
>>109016315Do solar panels not work on earth?How do radiators work in space? By radiating heat… where? Does this process not function on earth? Are you even aware what temperature is, and why things like stellarators can even physically exist?The sheer irony of a retard like you trying to shit on others is astounding
>>109015090The radiators would have to be way fucking bigger than the solar panels to dissipate heat effectively. This picture is very misleading
"Space is cold" fags when you ask them why metal objects feel colder despite being the same temperature.
>>109017008They are hybrid radiator / solar panels retard
>>109016081Data centers on ships actually doesn't seem like a terrible idea. Stick a fucking nuclear reactor in it and call it a day.
>>109015090>70m x 20mjesus fuck
>>109015090Earth is betterUnless jurisdictions end up charging double for water and power to data centers on earth. Which appears to be happening lol.
>>109020158anon, either you get a tiny power trickle like with RTGs or you have an absolutely immense cooling issue
>>109015090>>109015285the only real problem is theyre fixed in performance and they will deorbitit is stupid to me to pay a trillion dollars for an AI data center with only a billion dollars of compute which will be last gen in a year and old in 10.
>>109015328Give it a week and watch the value crash.
>>109015931>>109015975its a meme shitpost you dips
>>109015090it's the dummbest shit imaginable. a single ai rack is 300,000w of power consumption, openai uses like 48 of them per location to run most of their services currently. now think about how you see a solar panel, the absolute most a single-facial solar panel can make on earth is 300w/sq meterspace is more efficent so maybe what like 450w/sq meternow do the math on what that would look like and what all that fucking shit would weigh AND fucker AND that it would need to be down in low earth orbit to be at a usable orbit, so it would need to fucking shut off when it goes around behind the earth every 20 minutes or else now you have to fit 385,000,000Wh of battery onboard to cover that
>>109020703>chuck megawatt datacenters into space>solar panels block out the suncheckmate global warming
No idea how they will dump the heat. Liquid radiators work well, but don't have that much cooling capability, around 100-350W per m^2. Even assuming the fairly generous 350W, that's only 38.5kW for the radiator, nowhere near the 120kW compute payload.
>>109016483You won't be getting any job in a few years.
