>>109021125
>without looking anything up on the internet
I'm not sure how you plan to figure out how to do anything without atleast downloading and printing the user manual for the c64 and the 6502 software and hardware manuals. This is not a modern machine with any built in guides or helps or an intuitive GUI, but you do you.

If you want to start doing anything serious with it, you're atleast going to need SMON/Supermon or an assembler like TMP too, which you'll have to download and write to a disk (or use one of the addons that allow the use of flash drives and sd cards), unless you plan on poking an assembler in basic into it.

Also kind of silly to make a "general" when you know next to nothing on particular topic and were memed by Terry Davis into trying it. Good luck anyway though.

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>>109021125
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1781076591197651.webm
I really don't remember the joy of the c64, but i want to find out.
I want to bring glory to gods creations

>>109021148
Apparently it comes with a big user manual. Will see how good that really is tho

>>109021162
The c64 user manual is shit for any actual development, since it just goes through the very basics of BASIC and a very limited description of the computer's memory map and video modes.

You'll need to get the MCS650X hardware/software manuals from 1976 and a good description of the machine's memory map (https://sta.c64.org/cbm64mem.html), Kernal routines (If you don't want to just write some yourself for fun, that is)(https://www.pagetable.com/c64ref/kernal) and guides for the VIC-II(try to hunt down VIC-II.txt, it's great) and SID.

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44 year old millennial here.
In 1991 I wanted a computer and I was given an Atari 800XL. It was likely as old as me at the time. I learned a lot from it. My dad had. Tandy 1000 or similarly IBM compatible. I did not get a “real” computer until 1997, which I bought for myself.

I never used a C64 until decades later and it really was unpolished next to Atari’s offerings of the era.


Honestly, someone your age should’ve skipped he C64 and just started with Amiga or Atari ST. Why 8bit if you weren’t even alive in that era? The 68K era was much more interesting and closer to our modern computing experience with UI and games.

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>>109021211
>Why 8bit if you weren’t even alive in that era?
I liked the atmega8 in uni. It was fun to do stuff with it.
Much better than the stm32 clusterfuck.
Right now I am doing a lot with risc-v and while it is fun, it is a lot more complex than the old processors. So yeah, just trying to have a little fun.
And maybe even attach it to my big ledpanel. That'd be cool.
But for that I'd either have to do hdmi or composite capturing with another FPGA and I am not sure how complex are either of these are in VHDL

I never loved basic but computer booting right into a repl is something beautiful.

I wonder how Terry would have felt about the advancement of AI

>>109021257
iirc there was a video about it. But it must've not had much slurs, because it doesn't trigger my autism with pictures of it

Nice, opening this thread did wonders:

 Dear Mrs. Anon,

Your Commodore 64 Ultimate is on the way!

Commodore has shipped your order with DPD. Your tracking code is 133780085. You are able to track your shipment at: https://4chan.org/s/133780085

Thank you,

All of us at Commodore 

maybe ill do a real general in the next days then with less cringe (i promise).
gotta set up my mastodon account too

>>109021472
Download "Commodore 64 Programmer's Reference Guide" and go from there. If you want to go back, read through the old magazines like Compute!/Compute Gazette, Zzap!64, RUN and Ahoy!. Then there are the '1001 Thing To Do With Your Commodore 64" books with program listings that you type by hand. lmao
Once you get the fundamentals, move on to 6502 assembly to speed things up and free up memory.

>>109021858
>Once you get the fundamentals, move on to 6502 assembly to speed things up and free up memory.
Ye that's what I am actually more interested in than pure basic.
Le ben eater did cute things but i was always too lazy to build my own 6502 pc. So will see what's possible with the c64. I have no idea if it is somehow locked down or whatever compared to other 6502 computers??
But first some cute sprites n shit in basic, I guess

>>109021887
>I have no idea if it is somehow locked down
There aren't any locks per se, but there are NTSC and PAL variants. Its limitations are purely hardware based, but I don't know anything about the Ultimate which is a FPGA-based implementation.

>>109021887
Check out the demo scene stuff first. That will give you the best examples of what the machine can do.

>>109021909
oh yes, of course i have seen the popular ones that pop up here and there.
Sure they are made in assembly. I'll dive deeper once it gets here. Maybe it'll just be the next expensive dust collector, but i hope not

>>109021954
>Maybe it'll just be the next expensive dust collector, but i hope not
Maybe it will be useful in the future when the internet is no more due to AI War 1/WW3. You can run a BBS with Baofeng radios or some shit. lol

The SID chip is the only thing worth exploring.

Tinkering around with retro computing is a the gateway drug to trannyism

>>109022873
It's the least trannified tech hobby. Go to any retro computing forum or IRL meetup and it'll mostly be regular nerd dudes in the 40-60 age range.

>>109022873
People who say "retro computing" are a gateway to trannyism.