When are hard drive prices going back to normal? I desperately need to upgrade my NAS but I'm not paying 3x higher prices for drives.
>>109026208You will get used to it.
This is the new normal.
>>109026222No it isn't. It doesn't cost 3x more to make the drives today than it did a year ago. The only reason they're this expensive right now is because demand is exceeding supply.
And this shit isn't sustainable at all.
100TB usable across 3 zpools. The youngest is 6 years old now. Im on borrowed time here anons...hold me
there's really no reason for the prices to go back down, you will still buy them at these new prices and you will like it
Just wait. Prime day is soon and Black Friday will be here before you know it.
>>109026230oh you poor goyishe fool
>>109026208Even if the global economy crashes would these come down in price?
>>109026300
>>109026208>When are hard drive prices going back to normal?When graphic cards are $100 again. Never. :(
>>109026208Never. At the time prices become normal, it has been because everything else got more expensive, not because HDDs became cheaper. Inflation won't stop, so nothing will become cheaper in USD. Ever.
>>109026236The world economy will get totally rekt, once this bubble pops, right?
>>109026208don't worry, in about a year hard drives will halve in pri->OOPS! There's a flood in Malaysia that wiped out our only hard drive factory>OOPS! Our only competitor made too many shitty drives of a particular model and are now out of business>OOPS! There's a new popular shitcoin that relies on disk space instead of CPU/GPU power>OOPS! There's a global pandemic and supply-chain problems because nobody's allowed to leave their homes>OOPS! There's new tariffs now on anything electronic not made in your country>OOPS! There's a new technological black hole fad that everybody and their mother is chasing, causing infinite demand and infinite back orders of our product>OOPS! There's another bullshit war that will shoot up the price of oil because who the fuck knows? and make shipping our product even more expensive
>>109026525No, only the tech scam industry
>>109026208Imagine being willing to pirate (filesharing) the media you consume, yet, unwilling to procure the hards drives you store your media on by not paying for it.
>>109026562So the tech industry
>>109026208Use case?
>>109026525ATP I hope it does>>109026208Try again next year. Also double check that those aren't the shingled reds, they fucked me on them shits.
>>109026573I'm unwilling to pay scam prices for hard drives. That drive was $120 on Amazon a year ago. There also aren't any alternatives because seagate only makes 7200 rpm drives now and I need drives that run quieter and cooler.
>>109026262I replaced my 21TB array (4x4TB + 5TB) with 2x22TB back in december right before prices spiked.So fucking glad I did that because the 4TB drives were ~87000 power on hours.
>>109026354All those disks will come back to the market when the AI bubble pops and inventory gets liquidated.You might think that some of those disks will be fucked, but thanks to things like RAIDZ you can just stick a whole bunch in an array and have good reliability.
>>109026669oh you poor, poor goyishe fool
>>109026300This isn't true. On black friday companies increase their prices but the "discount" price is the same price as it was before black friday.Source: I'm jewish
>>109026643Who said anything about paying, pussy.
You can still get used 16TB drives for ~$300 (used to be ~$150-$200 a couple years ago, but at least it's 50% cheaper than OP).
>>109026208That's about what I paid for the 16tb last year.
>>109026208I don't care about RAM or SSD prices or anything.I just wanted to buy a few big HDDs to archive entertainment before the big war kicks in and the ocean cables and datacenters go kaput.
>>109026208after the dems win the elections they are going to regulate AI so hard the bubble will burst
>>109026208I bought a 4tb WD Gold for 6 eur yesterday desu
>>109026434people used to say same thing when gpu prices went up during COVID lockdowns, but prices crashed down after
>>109026669>back on the market they'll go through the shredder.
>>109026208>going back to normalWhat do you mean? This is the new normal, goy
>>109026230Do you not understand inflation?
>>109026230>demand is exceeding supplyIt does not. There are no shortages, you can buy any one you want. Or 10 or 100 if you want to.Cartel doing cartel things.
I mean, is anyone here is willing to believe AI companies need 2-4TB drives for anything at all? If so, these people have no idea how expensive space in a datacenter is.
>>109026230You're not wrong, prices will go down. Eventually. In like 5 years. Look at it this way; is it worth WAITING 5 YEARS to save a couple hundred dollars? Just wait a couple months and save up the extra cash.
>>109029482Idk, 5 years seems much. It is enough for chink commies to establish substitute manufacturing for their own brands. They have rare earth and all the tech to do that, it only takes reverse engineering some parts of the HDD to have them in production in mainland china.That would be cartel's suicide.Reality is boring. There are way more than enough HDDs and manufacturing capacity is far from being capped currently. Probably scam altman bribed them to increase prices.Prices were increased all over the world, at the same time, in synch. Which means market supply-demant dynamics have nothing to do with the price hike.I don't know much about retail. But I do know they have contracts with suppliers. So when it comes to HDD manufacturers, they first ship their goods to retailers' warehouses and wait for retailer to sell them. Price is controlled by the manufacturer, not by the retailer. They have a contract for this stuff. Retailer has to comply, else they will move out all the goods and cancel official distributor status, which means no warranty or other services etc.Key point being: goods at the retailer's warehouse do not belong to that retailer. Not until they are sold to a customer. Idk if retailers can buy those and keep em to themselves. Probably would void the contract, because it means they will controll the price, which is unwanted by manufacturers of HDDsIt's been like that for a long time, not a recent thing, not HDD-exclusive thing.
>>109029536Enjoy waiting 5 years.
>>109029543I managed to get a good deal, don't need one right now.But if I needed it, I'd get a used one.
>>109026208I bought a second hand 6tb exos for £100. It'll have to do
>>109026208Never. Why would any company/business LOWER prices on goods when people have shown they will pay the new higher price? Will the cost of a Big Mac ever decrease? Nope. GPU? Nope. RAM? Nope. Welcome to the new normal, you have ZERO control and are at the mercy of the company/corporation.
>>109026208
>>109026208keep ordering from amazon and returning until you are one of those lucky bastards that receive a whole case
>>109026230People are still buying them at these inflated prices, so they’ll never go back down to what they were before. It happened with GPUs, RAM will also be this way. It may go down a bit but never to what it once was. Especially since the average person just buys SSDs nowadays and HDDs are becoming niche products
>>109029482the prices are going to down in five years by 10% after they increased by 500%
>>109026208>When are hard drive prices going back to normal? It never did. Probably will never do. Decades ago, Thailand was hit by some flood and Jews used it as an excuse to increase the price and never lower it, because, according to the Jew, Thailand never recovered.
>>109026728This is one of those oft repeated old wives tales at this point, especially these days when you can check on sites like camel camel camel to verify prices.
wait for black friday
>>109030530That was before prices went to hell.I bought this half month laterRight now it's $799
>>109028842>a few big HDDs to archiveHDDs are not long-term archives. RAID is for data reliability, not archiving. I purchased a DVD writer and a stack of archival-grade DVDs with inorganic materials for archiving entertainment for the big lock-down of the internet. When all the streaming sites are dead and no one can torrent shit, I'll have years and years worth of TV, cartoons, movies, and anime to watch.
>>109030557A 4k movie is something like 100 GB.1 TB should be $10.
>>109030688how is the size of a 4K movie in any way related to the price of 1 TB?>>109030648I don't have any RAID or data reliability system. This is a simple "just-in-case" store in case I ever need to use it.It's not a backup of important data. If anything fails I'll just redownload it.But of course, if the big lock-down or war comes, my 1st priority will be to duplicate the disks and get rid of anything not very relevant.
>>109030717>wants hard drives to be overpriced>redd*t t**esoy vey!
>prices>going downwho is going to tell him
>>109026636The red Pro/Plus WD drives are all CMR. They are literally designed for RAID, ZFS, etc.
>>109030776the fuck you on about?are you even replying to the right post?
>>109030872Why does a disk being CMR make it be designed for RAID, ZFS, etc?
>>109030887Don't know the exact details but it depends on how SMR drives store data, basically they overlap data in "shingles" to optimize space and reduce cost. Apparently this layout doesn't work well with advanced storage structures like RAID or ZFS.
>>109029757I bought this exact thing for less than 300 bucks last year.
>>109026208why should they go back to normal? they should go even higher desu.
>>109030960>t. HDD cartel
>>109030976no? just realistic. The income disparity between Malays and the whitoids who need these drives needs to equalize. You aren't special. Prices need to go higher.
>>109026230you are a goyfish
>>109026208IMO, we will eventually see two things happen:1. The exclusive contracts from all the big companies buying up RAM/etc. will end eventually. There have already been a few that fell through and resulted in the would-be-buyers paying large penalty fees. They can afford it for now because they're in the endless-money investor phase. Once some of those companies fail to be profitable enough (i.e., produce ROI exceeding other investment options), they will get sold off and absorbed by their competitors for pennies on the dollar, or be shuttered if run by a larger corporation already instead of a startup. As those end, supply will flow back in to feed the consumer demand.2. There will be a massive surplus for the used market eventually when data centers start to close and liquidate their tangible assets. Yes, plenty of data centers being built will survive in the long term. But there is massive, massive level of overinvestment in physical data centers right now. About a third to half of new plans for data centers in 2026 have already fallen through. Many of these are facilities that already had contracts in place for hardware or had already begun to purchase hardware. A lot of that stock is probably going to be shredded and wasted, but a decent portion of it is likely to be put up for auction and given to resellers.We probably won't see things go back to "normal" until some other unknown factor drives prices further down, if that ever happens, but we should definitely expect to see things go down when the above things play out.
Just build your own you jelly niggers
>>109031022>About a third to half of new plans for data centers in 2026 have already fallen throughpretty big claim anon, how do you know this? do you even know this?
>>109031090it's all made up
>>109030925I've heard that many many years ago, but I haven't seen any tests done in recent drives.
>>109031022Is there any evidence that the data center hardware will be sold on the used market?It's more likely they just throw them in a landfill and claim depreciation rather than admit they made a mistake and sell to gamers. Actually they might already be on the books in such a way they can only be destroyed.
>>109031090This isn't the only article I've seen on it, but several different independent market researchers have been floating stats in that range. Even if it's only a third, that's really damn high for any kind of physical development plan.https://www.theaiconsultingnetwork.com/blog/us-data-centers-2026-half-delayed-canceled-cre-investors
>>109031165that would be pretty big I do agree but it just sounds quite far out there
>>109031164>Is there any evidence that the data center hardware will be sold on the used market?That's historically what most companies do when they liquidate any kind of business that has physical server hardware. The exceptions are usually companies like defense contractors that have such strict OpSec requirements that they don't bother wiping drives and just shred them. So it would honestly just be odd for a company with a physical data center to not auction off their equipment in an attempt to recoup some money for the owners/investors.
>>109031184I think it's just a testament to how incredibly high the investment level is on data centers right now. It should be high, and there's a legitimate need for more developments and infrastructure to meet the existing demand for AI-generated content and processes, but the current level of investment we're seeing far, far exceeds even those high levels. I think there's multiple factors, like the housing market being slower and current political factors cooling/preventing typical foreign investments in other markets, contributing to lots of independent investors suddenly trying to go all-in on plopping data centers down to basically just run AI-related servers.
>>109026208>>109026221Acquire physical silver coins instead of more HDDs until the prices come down.Every company needs silver is every single electronics, no silver means no products to sell.If enough people (you don't need that many) are continuously buying physical silver, they are soon going to be on their knees begging you to give them some silver and sell you cheap HDDs for it.
