working on increasing my systems and cloud architecture skills because programming is over. if I am able to use claude et al with specific enough instructions, there's literally no need for me to write the code anymore. yes, it has to be verified, but job wise who the fuck would want a lowly codemonkey anymore?

Fancy this coming up in my feed after our discussion on C compilers becoming bloated. The simulation is always listening.
https://youtu.be/A0AInA3GlR8

>>109027960
File utility using syscalls in c and attempting to optimize it according to low level concepts.

Working on marketing, because no matter how well your product works, people have to find it or you cant compete.

fuck SEO

>>109028001
Good luck with that.
>snicker

>>109028013
>implying that's so complicated

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>>109027980
Jesus fuck.

>>109027980
I wouldn't even mind if they become bloated, if at least they generate good code.

But they can't even do that.

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-fverbose-asm
This is nifty.

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>>109027980
Damn freetards really live like this? Get a real debugger, losers.

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>>109028102
wtf is that slop?

I really wish a I had a use case for assembly, I'd learn it then,

>>109028128
When AI has slop maxxed everything and you're hello world is 30 gigabytes she'll be waiting.

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>>109028095
I'm not impressed.

>>109028128
SIMD instructions.

>>109028121
Might want to talk to your boy, needs to reverse engineer a linker error to find his program entrypoint smdh

>>109027976
I'm really tired of this fucking meaningless false flag faux acceptance shit, even though I've literally only seen 2 posts on this entire site that encapsulate it. It just goes to show how potently annoying it is.

>>109027960
I've been reading The Art of 64 bit Assembly Language, only up to chapter 2 but its fun just looking at code as it actually is under the hood.
I've gotten tired of modern computing bullshit, I know writing and understanding assembly takes ages but I want to learn something I can use no matter what, even if only the stuff about processor registers sticks that would be enough.

>>109028149
He did drop the ball not know he needs _start.

>>109028166
I want to buy a physical copy but it's $170AUD. I could print it myself cheaper.

>>109028166
>I know writing and understanding assembly takes ages
One year and I was already better than the compiler. Don't trust the reddiots.

>>109028180
I was looking for another book in a regular duckduckgo search and the whole book just turned up in the search results, just a link to the full thing not even a webpage leading to it just, the book.
I did want to purchase something cheap, but if its literally just freely available under a search for the name without even specifying that I wanted a download or a digital copy then I'll take it.

>>109028183
eh, if u know how to abuse the GCC intrinsics and inline asm you can do most of the good parts of assembly in a C program and actually have the time to make it good and practical

>>109027960
Learning asm to compile my language to native code

>>109028225
But like you do need to understand asm to do this so its definitely worth the time to practice it, i am very happy i learned it. I honestly don't think you can write good C without first having what you want the assembly to look like in mind.

>>109028263
actually just don't program at all if you don't know what you want the assembly to look like, other engineers need to know the underlying physics even if their job is tweaking solidworks files, what the fuck makes you special? learn that shit

there are literally no jobs

is this ai shit gonna end or should i just look for something else? what other jobs are there that a programmer could do

>>109028155
honestly I was in the same boat, it was annoying to read about it.
but I had a thought about it yesterday that put usage of LLMs and agents in coding into a bit of a new light for me at least. so back when I started out as a wee webdev, we wrote our html by hand. nowadays we tell a machine (framework like react, vue or whatever) how the DOM is supposed to look like with minimal input from ourselves. this isn't that much different from telling a machine (LLM) what to do.
you're literally shooting yourself in the foot by refusing to use AI as a tool to increase your output, but it does require understanding of what you're doing, what you want to do and what the AI is doing in order to produce good results. needless to say, debugging and code handover should still be doable by humans so the code needs to stay reasonably readable but that's a different issue.
for hobby use I still prefer to write the code myself because I like writing code and thinking about problems. but just because you're using AI doesn't mean you have to stop thinking about problems or the best approach to solve them. and in the end, at least in the corpo world, no user will care who wrote the code that makes the program function as long as it functions.
so is AI cool? fuck no, it's hipster smug fuckery. do I get to earn money with it to keep paying my rent and putting food on the table? sad to say, but yes.

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>>109028296
AI needs to start honoring the cheques it's been writing.
Can it?

>>109028311
i like to use ai to write less than 10 lines at a time that i can patch together, much larger than that and it gets kinda hard to notice the weird bugs it can introduce

>>109028311
It's a slop generator, the excuse that you would be a fool not to use it is like saying you would be a fool not to eat fast food because who wants to waste time cooking food? or that working in a high class resturant is stupid because you would make way more food working at burger king.

>>109028328
It's kinda funny that the new Anthropic model just dropped and is like 3x more expensive per token than ChatGPT.

>>109028351
are the anthropic models even that much smarter than chatGPT lol

>>109028358
no they just run for longer and use more tokens

i can use codex all day because it stops after completing the task whereas claude pre-empts every possible situation and overengineers everything

this is impressive to vibe coders

>>109028348
false equivalence.
your analogy would hold if the code quality was actually worse compared to code written by hand, but it just isn't, if you know what you're doing. it's the same argument brought up by the hipsters of old when more and more tedious tasks in development were possible to be done by machines. it was stupid then, it is stupid now.

>>109028527
So then you admit that the quality is worse, unless according to you, you "know what you're doing".
So the next logical question is how do you obtain this knowledge of what you are doing?

Sorry for my lack of checking tabs.

>>109028613
>So then you admit that the quality is worse,
not necessarily, no. depending on the LLM you're using the code quality for stuff added to an existing can be on-par with what you already wrote yourself. because that's the level of learning we're currently at. the machine reads your code and tries to produce more code in accordance to your style. obviously cheaper and older models will look more like your typical stackoverflow copypasta.
>So the next logical question is how do you obtain this knowledge of what you are doing?
not sure why this is the next logical question, but the answer is obviously through programming stuff yourself.
not sure where you think your point is, but it's so far away from my point, even your fat mom could fit inbetween them.
I was merely talking about an employment and using tools as means to an end. you were spastically triggered by reading about AI and have completely lost the plot but you like ranting so that's what you did.

If LLMs were capable of producing better code we would just have them produce entire software in assembly.

We don't.

>two page 10 bumps in a row
just let it die

What, and stop dunking on autists and vibe coders? You must be out of your mind.

>>109028296
coding/programming is now a hobby. not a profession or a valuable skill for making money.

in 2020, 2015, 2010 i always recommended young people learn how to code and get cs degree. now i'm opposite and i think coding is merely dead now and became something like chess.

if someone asking me about should he learn math, coding, get a degree in cs/math - my answer is strict NO. just do anything else and don't touch math/computer shit.

>>109030326
what do you recommend now? physics/chemistry/engineering is useless unless you're top 5%. if you a mediocre science degree it is more useless than learning plumbing

>>109030372
Do things you should be doing when there's turbulence up ahead.
Generalize, don't specialize. Work on your soft skills and social skills, maybe learn a language. Learn what will always be useful somewhere, like repair. Be good to the ones you love, don't burn bridges.

>Work on your soft skills and social skills
You will never be not on the spectrum.

>>109030454
Yes, but everyone has the ability to become a little less retarded at these things.

>>109030372
>what do you recommend now
trades or healthcare. other professions are merely dead right now.

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don't sleep! write!

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#define C                                                                     80
char *fag = "GCJKTZ((",       be                                 [1];int main(){
                                short f,a,g                                    ;
for (f=a=g =0; C; f=(f+1)%8,g=             usleep                       (666e2))
for (g=a;g <=C; *be = C==g?'\n':       fag         [(g+(C/2>(a=++a%C)?f:8-f))%8]
- ((C/2>a) ? g+f : g-f) %8 -1,   write            (STDOUT_FILENO, be, 1), ++g);}

>>109027960
I had this book
HLA seems interesting, a shame it's dead and stuck on 32-bit

>>109028296
have you considered developing a skillset of working with ai and doing advanced things with it? most people don't know what a lora is, let alone how to make one. you know companies are focused on ai, so exploit that angle. make someone with authority think you'll help them use ai better.

>wrote a scraper
>works
>didn't stop to wonder if I would get banned
Will a Shopify-managed store ban me for scraping all their images? It's about 5000 images. I can slow it down a lot and leave it running over several days if that would help.