Why is cognitive atrophy becoming a core part of modern "programming"?We used to praise programmers who were smart and really knew their shit, now we endlessly shit on them if they don't throw their brain away and replace it with a stochastic parrot.We literally attack people now for not bending the knee to the Idiocratic New World Order. It wasn't like this before.Discuss. Let's talk about things like:>Who wants this>Who benefits from it>How it could ruin the tech industry altogether>How to fight back against it>etc
The inorganic push for it has been going very strong in terms of consistency these past months, but the script they've been using has gotten a bit stale. Just>being dumb is good>being subservient is good>not having skills is good>doing things manually is bad>if you criticize us you're a heckin fascist>hurr luddite>two more weeks you'll be replacedad nauseam. At least be creative!
>>109029329because society doesn't honor any of these things anymore. You have to be the most filthiest, ruthless kike imaginable and turn as much profit as possible. That's what we honor.
I realized that I've only ever hated the faggots that considered themselves the "elite programmers" or "smartest engineer on the team." They're unilaterally dreadful, autistic, egotistic, disagreeable. They've only ever made my life miserable by lording over PRs and acting like the way they want to build or abstract things is the only way, and if you push back they will try to get you fired.So honestly, fuck them. Let AI take everything over. Let code become cheap and let your little throne turn into a pile of dog shit. If you're actually "elite" you will find a way to still turn value in a time like this, but if you're not (you're not) a machine is going to do your job just as well.Vibe coding is downright liberating. Just building shit. Just focusing on how it feels and works on the user side. No agonizing struggle sessions over every little chunk of code, no 50 unit tests for every class, no hand wringing over abstractions and patterns, just CODING.
>>109029547It's very liberating to let kikes monetize the entire human knowledge base and then sell it back to you. I hope you enjoy relying on this to get anything done and they discontinue all sub models and jack up the prices, soon.
>>109029547Is this how codelets cope?
>>109029562>>109029570the ego of the autistic "10x engineer" isn't going to like the next 10 years I think. There is no value in thinking like a computer anymore.
>>109029587>There is no value in thinking like a computer anymore.Allowing retards like you into tech was a grave mistake on behalf of humanity. You and your ilk are the reason why every app is a browser.
>>109029654I actually loathe frontend web dev and much prefer native desktop side coding, goes to show how good of a people reader you are dumbass. I love programming but there isn't much to salvage in this shit space of jeets, troons, and fagholio dictators.
>>109029676So what do you mean there is no value in thinking like a computer anymore? You don't like egotistical autists, which is understandable because some of them are obnoxious about their way of doing things, but the vast majority of the ones I meet just want people to have a better computing experience. That's the case with almost every field, the top people are almost always complete assholes.And the solution to all of this is to replace a talented workforce with get-rich-quick assholes and pajeet slaves who don't care about anything other than shekels?
>>109029734No. The only important thing is that I can rage at autists. Who gives a shit about anything else.
>>109029329>>109029352We're just seeing the anti-intellectualism creep into the engineering fields. Previously this was held mostly against doctors and scientists (and especially adjacent fields like sociology). Now its came for us as well.The thing is that I don't have to cry a river every time token prices go up or the AI gets lobotomized. Enshitification will come for them just as it came for any other service.
>>109029519This and it's true for all professions, not just programming. Artisanry is dead.
>>109030045Spot on. This isn’t new. It’s just new for this profession. Never should have been tolerated to begin with.
>>109029329i do think it's bizarre. Despite the insane claims and hype my work has surprisingly changed very little. ai is essentially just a bit more helpful IDE and maybe a prototype making app.I guess this is mostly just sillicon valley/social media psychosis?
>>109030181>>109030045>Cogsuckers are the coding equivalent of essential oil moms that insist that The Way to cure your cancer is tumeric and sprouted lentils and consider information to the contrary to be a personal affront Well fuck that makes way too much goddamn sense.
>>109029547Based, honestly
>>109029547those elite fags are winning the hardest in current slopfiesta tho lol. it's juniors and low tier devs like you who are getting fucked right now
>>109029329Anyone you see pushing for this is either an llm, a paid shill, or (in rare instances) someone who has fallen for the propaganda of the first 2. People in the latter category are very likely functionally retarded and extremely jealous of those with any type of skill.The function of llms is to reduce cognitive friction. As you increase your reliance on such a thing, it sedates you until you become a vegetable incapable of complex thought. Luckily, this can be reversed. Read books and program without an LLM. Eliminate social media usage. Go outside, run, and go to the gym. Don't use a phone. If it feels hard to do these things, that's a good sign as it means your brain is rewiring itself.>Who wants thisAI companies that want to replace you>Who benefits from thisAI companies that want to replace you>How could it ruin the tech industry altogetherBy further incentivising cognitive atrophy in humans>Is this an inherent function of AI?No, it isn't. AI is a tool, and it can be designed to fill nearly any purpose. Ask yourself what the true function of something is. Is it to replace human thinking? Is it to augment humans? Is it to perform a menial task? Is it to advance research? Etc.
>>109029587At what point does>There is no value in thinking like a computer anymoreturn into>There is no value in thinking like a human anymorenow that AI is generating literature, images, and video?I'm sure some people thought the former when human computers where replaced with electric ones, but this is something else. Code autists are just one of the first and most visible groups to be crushed.
>>109029329I’m here for the paycheck, man. If big wigs want me to produce a mountain of unmaintainable slop with ai, they’ll get a mountain of unmaintainable slop. Why would I care? It’s not my company.
>>109030292yeah but when shit hits the bucket the blame goes on us not some exec for their decisions lol
>>109030281are you that wierdo who only watches ai generated videos for yourself?
>>109030302No, who are you thinking about?
>>109030297Sure but so what? Everybody else does the same so the responsibility is diffused. You might be made into a sacrificial cow but that was always a possibility, and a good manager made sure there was some worthless retard or two in the team for when he needed someone to blame or when a day to trim headcount came. Fundamentally nothing really changed.
>>109030305some guy here who rejects YouTube and other video sites and only makes some bizzare ai slop for himself to watch
>>109030347No, I'm not posting from the perspective of an AI fan, but reminding >>109029587 that he is dead wrong if he thinks "autistic 10x engineers" are the only casualty of putting thought on a meter.
>>109030045I think in the next 5-7 years we will see AI vibe-engineering. AI will be integrated deeply in cad/cae/cam tools for both mechanical and electrical engineering. And these professions will die just like swe died this year.
>>109030406swe didn't die tho?
>>109030447Merely dead right now.I'm just reviewing ai slop. That's all my job right now. It was an engineering in the past, right now it's all very wierd qa job where you have to check if slop is working or not and then regenerate it again.
>>109030496not my experience desu. i think ur corp or sub field is in ai psychosis bubble rn
>>109029329We had this exact same problem with python and Javascript frameworks and java
>>109031412java?
>>109029329>becoming
>>109031483java???
>>109029329>>109029352It's less anti-intellectual and more the fact current society hates well rounded people who are experts in multiple fields.Those who chisel themselves with what they do professionally aren't chiseling themselves socially.Your compensation from being a piller holding up the company takes away from others. You're not honing yourselves to be able to respond to what society expects from you. You're a rogue element people increasingly don't want to deal with no matter how well adjusted you are on the outside.Others would rather approach a group of dumb people than one smart individual.
>WE WUZ KANGS OF SOFTWAREseriously the victim and persecution complex parallels are absolutely hilarious
>>109029329Because software engineering has like 2 years left before being fully automated kek. Every company is racing to build out agentic harnesses to automate everything, and the devs are being kept at gunpoint to implement it
>>109029329>now we endlessly shit on them if they don't throw their brain away and replace it with a stochastic parrotWho's this "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?
>>109029547Fair enough about know it alls, but just auto generating some shit and assuming it works isn't "liberating," it's irresponsible. At least it is if whatever you're working on actually matters.
>>109029329>we endlessly shit on them if they don't throw their brain away and replace it with a stochastic parrot.Who does this, you stupid fuck?Don't use chatGPT to come up with topics to post here. Leave instead.
>>109029329Its the demiruge of competition. Sure vibecoders are dumb as fuck and make buggy code, but they ship fast and are more productive so in the competitive landscape of programming they win, the same way that a frog that shits out 2000 babies that are weaker wins over frog that shits out 500 stronger babies, because the nature dont give a fuck how many die the same way that the market does not give a fuck how competent people are so long as they produce value.
>>109029329Jews want you dumb and dependent on the AI.
