>put a bunch of 1s and 0s on a dvd, it's considered physical media>put the exact same 1s and 0s on pic related, all of a sudden it's notI really don't get it
>>109033919dvd is lickable, therefore physical media.to lick hard disk, you have to disassemble it, which destroys it, therefore it's not.
>>109033930sometimes things really are just simple as
>>109033919i guess it's got more to do with having a 1:1 mapping between the media and the subtrate for it as well as being read only. hell if i know
>>109033919what do you mean its physical media
>>109034116/v/ likes to argue about which is better: acquiring your games physically or digitally. Which ignores that DVDs and HDDs are both physical and store a game's data digitally (ie. not as an analog signal).
>>109034157physically means baryonic matter typically (vs using dark matter to store your data). both ways are physical and digitalthe only non-digital storage is analog shit like tape music or vinyl record and you cant put games on those all current games are digital.
>>109034180Yes, that's exactly the point. Everyone arguing "physical vs. digital" is stupid because all existing methods of storing a game's data are both physical and digital. They need to come up with new names for each side of the debate.
>>109034191there was never a debate
>>109034157have you forgotten every other aspect of a "physical" game?how the fuck do you buy an HDD with a game from a store and insert it into your console and get to playing it all without internet?
>>109034358This is an extremely pedantic view of the situation. Nobody is buying HDDs with /A/ game on it. However, when you buy a new game, it hardly ever has the actual full content on the disk and acts more like a license activation and just downloads onto your consoles hard drive anyway. Physical only makes sense when the only other options are DRM nightmares and at the current state, """"""physical"""""" is often worse off than buying a game off of steam with how weak its DRM is. A lot of games will straight up not work if you dont have an internet connection.
>>109034421>extremely pedantic viewautism alert, we are talking about the difference between ""physical"" and ""digital"" as common language terms, you gave the game examplephysical is commonly used whenever you transport the data, a CD, a DVD, a Bluray, the only exception being a pendrive and an external HDD, but the exceptions are obvious because they plug into the PC directly instead of being placed and physically moved to be readit's a subjective term, obviously an HDD is a real thing with platters that spin, but the mere fact that it connects through USB and is an opaque brick makes it colloquially digital instead of physical
>>109034157The DVD is physical in the sense of how the data is stored (pits and lands molded into the daya layer) while a HDD stores data magnetically which can be corrupted with a strong magnetic force disqualifying it from being physical.
>>109034358>how the fuck do you buy an HDD with a game from a store and insert it into your console and get to playing it all without internet?You can buy any number of knockoff gameboy devices with 1 million ROMs installed that run without an internet connection. It's not technically a spinning disk HDD though.In theory couldn't you buy your friend's hard drive from his console and just put it on yours to access his games, anyway?
Its just semantics, maybe its the distinction of only having 1 "movie" onto a single disc against having many more data.Cinema movies are distributed on hard drives so you could count them as physical
>>109034561you see, you're way overthinking, the answer is "you don't, that's why HDD is digital"if you're talking semantics, you're talking common sense and the experiences of a normal person
>>109033919Physical media means it's not stored in magic aka magnets.
>>109034157>physicallythis means buying a physical product with a copy of it, be it a CD, DVD, USB stick or handwritten bits on a book>digitallythis means buying a license to transmit the game data to your device (buy the right to download it from steam, from GOG, etc)
>>109034575Pretty sure that has been pretty much phased out for online delivery now
Physical media implies the physical application where one would insert this media into various, purpose built devices for media consumption. The portability and simplicity of DVD along with how the data is imprinted makes it a physical device. The HDD were core internal component never intended to be used outside the PC. The external use case of HDD is a recent adaptation/concept which came with the arrival of USB flash drives. Hi-fi systems and TVs did not have USB ports for you plug-in your external HDD into. Again, this functionality arrived much later which paved way to external storage devices.
>>109033919HDD's require wires and basically need to be connected on boot to the PC.
>>109033919yeah anon and drum scan is analog until you digitize it
>>109033919Are you taking that disk out of the computer and storing it in a cabinet or shipping it to someone who will use the data on it? If so, it's physical media. If it's staying inside your PC where it holds a bunch of other stuff too, it's just your PC's storage.
>>109033919People who collect plastic have to go through mental gymnastics to justify all that wasted space and money on media collections the fraction of the size of mine on my hard drives lmao
>>109034760>need to be connected on bootLike an NES cartridge?
>>109035542>all that wasted space and moneyDo you live in a small shack in a favela or something? The largest media collections I’ve seen fill a portion of an average room in a first-world nation.
>>109034760>basically need to be connected on boot to the PCSATA AHCI supports hotplug. I wired a motherboard SATA port to an eSATAp port on a bracket, and I can plug HDDs into it while the computer is running. And since it's eSATAp, if I use a 2.5" drive with the right cable, the port provides power to the drive as well as SATA.
>>109033919Most people stream their shit from hard drives that are on the other side of the world. The term "physical media" is used to differentiate that from "I have the media on a data storage device I own", and typically data storage devices that primarily hold media are optical discs, unless you buy DRM-free shit or you're a pirate.
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>>109033919um, sweetie... on optical media the bytes are engraved (or burned) and hard drives use magnetic magic. i would like to give 3/5 to this bait because you got my reply.
>>109033930wtf I LOVE physical media so fucking bad I could die
>>109033919Who is saying a hdd is not physical medium?
>>109034553>cassette tapes are not physical media
>>109039856From an application point the tapes are but the original argument revolves around the compact discs being physical media. It is by no accident the vinyl records have stuck around while the tape has mostly faded into the distant memory.
>>109036832So a tape isn't considered physical media, because it's magnetic.
>>109033919>dvd is physical mediaSince when?To me it's digital. Physical media, to me, is actually analog media. Digital is an estimation of analog media. It's not the original media.
>>109034553I think people see it more in terms of:>it's a package of data isolated to 1 physical device and does not disappear over many decades on the deviceSo DVDs, CDs, Flash and HDDs are not really like this unless they have an internal mechanism that continually rewrites to the device to maintain the data integrity.In that case, DVDs and CDs are STILL not this. It's a thin film of chemicals that doesn't get rewritten regularly and is usually read only after burned. That thin film disappears really fast 2bh and that's why disc rot is a problem. Magnetic tapes are a proper form of long term storage similar to this, but normally that's rewriteable and not just read only. It's limited by it's lifespan too though.Analog formats are also limited by their formats too. In many ways, a Roman Sculpture is a form of physical data, but it's likewise got a limited lifespan. So is the limestone caps that were formerly on egyptian pyramids in a way.tl;dr: nothing is physical media when you abstract enoughReally, physical media should be shit that doesn't require a server to run.
>>109036762Well.. it is a funny conceptual abstraction game to begin with and clever marketing.To me, physical media is an oxymoron because "media" is intangible. It's an art.
>>109040403>Really, physical media should be shit that doesn't require a server to run.Yeah, I'm fine with this however, the argument falls into two camps - one being made on the basis of how the data is stored (magnetic charge vs physical altercation) whilst the other on the application and ease of use.
A physical device is merely physical depending on the frame of reference it's look at with. In a human lifespan, a cd is partially physical, it degrades within the lifespan though. A book or stone tablet is more physical in that frame of reference. But in a geological frame of reference or a universal frame of reference (we're talking time here) they might not be considered physical. Fortunately, humans don't live that long to even contemplate that problem with the concept of "physical device". So we just assume it's a tangible object. This is regardless of the data on it. It could even have no data on it and never be writeable and it would still be considered a "physical device". A useless one perhaps, depending on your goal with use of the device. tl;dr: I think the Greeks dealt with this same issue in antiquity from memory, it's a philosophical issue at it's core.
>>109040472>magnetic charge vs physical altercationAre you assuming that magnetic charge isn't a physical altercation?That could be problematic.You've changed the state of the atoms and chemicals in my opinion. That's physical more or less, though it could be "unstable" if it cannot exist like that for a long period of time. Sometimes that's useful, as we see with RAM. You can use the physical properties of RAM to make sure it only stores a specific pattern of electro-chemical states while the machine is on. It will then get rid of that pattern naturally (though not as immediately as you'd think apparently and detectives can use that).To most people though, physical data is stuff that is store on a device you possess physically for a long-term. Non-physical data generally is fed to your machine in streams over the internet or network you are on for a short period of time. Though sometimes what happens is that the server will literally upload the entire file onto your device and then merely allow you access to your own device depending on your login credentials - I call this "malware" personally though. Corporations don't. They call you having complete access and control to the data on your device "malware" instead. It's absurd. This is why corporations or public entities should not have private property in my opinion, but nooooo that's extremism.
In fact, I would call a mere entity that convinced people that it owned you or things you owned a "cult". I'm not even kidding. That's literally what they are. Cults. Corporations, governments, public entities, societies, think tanks, groups, organisations, mafia, criminal gangs, cliques, religions (well duh). They are all "cults".And the property institutions that have with the individual is merely a cult exploiting that individual.
