Why were the Red Ring of Death and Yellow Light of Death so common?
It's called value engineering. Those consoles lasted as long as they were expected too for their build costs.
Shitty solder because the leaded stuff was banned
>>109035036This is the reason. A lot of heat with shitty solder led to cracks which caused shit to stop working. Both of these consoles got quite hot. The PS3 had a hell of a fan in it. The fat ones even had a boot mode if you held the eject button and while power it on the fan would go full blast for a second. I would use it to help blow the dust out of the console.
ps3 40GB hdd is something strange label reads not for laptop or computer use i do not remember that good
>>109034990Yellow light was not common
>>109034990I remember a youtuber that took out a 360 out of storage to play games. He said that there's a high chance he's gonna get red ring of death and it happened just as he was recording a gameplay footage.
>>109034990Blame ROHS. They mandated lead-free solder before they invented lead-free solder that doesn't suck balls.
>>109034990I remember I got the RROD in the middle of a particularly long Fallout 3 session. I pulled out my pip boy and it was all glitched and fucked up looking, and I thought it was some kind of in-game event where my pip boy got hacked. When I exited the screen and everything was still fucked up, I thought, "huh, that's strange". Then a few seconds later, I got the E74 error. Fucking Microsoft.
>>109035036>>109035050ironic that lead solder ban lead to massive amounts of more ewaste hitting landfills
>>109034990Overheating
>>109035036>>109035050this was the part of the reason, but the main contributing factor was tsmc's mistake in the manufacturing process at the time, causing substrate in the socs to delayer under repeated heating cycles (i.e. using the device as intended)
>>109034990Both Nvidia and AMD used a shitty flipchip design with their 90nm and 65nm chips that resulted in solder balls cracking.
>>109036105The substrate isn't TSMC's issue.
Lead-free solder.Solder is the stuff that keeps the weird bits on the motherboard glued to it.
This was also during the Capacitor Plague, many baby zoomers forgot about this or weren't even born yet.
>>109035309I got the yellow light of death on my ps3 while I was playing fallout 3. Was fighting super mutants inside the capital building
>>109036358Yeah every electronic was failing the early to mid 2000s. Microwaves, TVs, Motherboards, GPUs, PSUs, anything with a lot of capacitors.
Because ROHS.
>>109034990Shitty solder and caps. Man, the build quality of early 2000's electronics sucked
Dreamcast reboot of deathXbox dead clockPS2 disc read errorGameCube an error has occurred
>>109034990Combination of not particularly great lead-free solder and an issue with the substrate of the GPUs. Entirely Nvidia and AMD's fault the GPUs failed. Good documentary on Youtube about it that isn't hard to find.
is ylod some xbox cope? never heard of it and my ps3 from back in the day still works flawlessly.
because microsoft sucks dick at everything they're retarded
>>109036789Find it then pls :)
Just fixed my 360 controller today with leaded solder, feel greatLead-free is gay
>>109037066Change those sticks.https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807829111658.htmlThen go to https://driftguard.app/ and calibrate the controller.
>>109036424This. If you have. Working 360, look up what the defective caps were and replace them with something modern.
>>109037093will do
>>109035009Retard.
>>109037093Why recommending obsolete hall effect over superior TMR? They both use magnetic readings but in a different way, if you use controller over cable then lower power consumption doesn't matter much I guess.
>>109037183If you're happy with 360 controllers then this mod is worth the hassle.>>109037226TMR sticks aren't compatible with 360 controllers AFAIK.
>>109037066Yeah, we need to eat more asbestos and lead paint too on top of huffing those lead fumes.
>>109037257Why are you ghey?There are plenty of retards who never touched lead. lmao
>>109037257Your fan???
I think they forgot that consoles are a very pricey toy and didn't make them teenager proof.At least compared to Nintendo consoles etc. Those things still work for me 30 years later.
>nvidia chip issues fuck microsoft's 360 consoles>microsoft switches to AMD for their consoles>nvidia chip issues fuck apple laptops>apple switches to AMD graphics chips>nintendo switches from ATI/AMD chips to nvidia>nvidia chip issues fuck nintendo switch security making piracy trivialman I can't wait for the inevitable nvidia chip issue that fucks the entire AI industry
>>109035009obviously not, because microsoft had to pay UPS to come pick up my box and fix it and deliver it back to me
I used to repair these in high school and the ones that were faulted always had a fucking thick cake of dust bunnies on the inside. Smells of cigarettes and cat piss.
>>109034990>>109035036It was the underfill used by one of the major fabs shared by Microsoft and Sony at the not being rated for the thermal cycling big console gpus go through.
>>109037287>>109037305Idk what you guys are talking about, I am a pro-lead fan, infact, both of YOU are the gay ones since it sounds like the lack of lead in your diets made you sound as onions as you are in your posts.
>>109037403Be afraid. lmao
>>109036834see >>109036374
>>109037424>>Be afraid. lmao>t. afraid
>>109037988LEAR 2 REEDEAR
>>109035036My first thought desu>>109037400What, so the underfill expanded unevenly and tore the SoC apart?
>>109034990My backwards compatible PS3 still works. I remember thinking it was comically large for a console and then they just kept getting bigger and bigger.
>>109034990Early lead-free BGA era. Much like how the capacitor plague of the early 2000s was eventually resolved with better electrolyte chemistry, new more stable alloys of lead-free solder balls solved the problem with earlier types which cracked after going through many high <-> low temperature cycles
>>109038131>better electrolyte chemistryThe bad caps were the result of failed corporate espionage. Some gook copied an incomplete recipe and ran off to the chinks to mass produce a bunch of garbage.
>>109038159nonsense made up story
>>109038233That's the story. If you have proof of anything, post it. Otherwise shut your trap.
>>109038265Your story has no proof. Dell made it up to make themselves look better
Counterfeit cap mfrs.>Lelon Electronics>GSC (Luxon)>ChoyoFuhjyyu>OST>CapXonCompanies affected:>Dell (hardest hit)>Apple>HP/Compaq>IBM>Intel>Abit>ASUS>MSI>Gigabyte>Microsoft>Sony>JVC>Mitsubishiand more
>>109035036I resoldered mine by re-orienting it and turning it on lol. 40 minutes of that and a restart and *poof* went the RROD.
>>109034990Centralized factory that switched to a different soldering method/material when mounting chips to the PCB that was both weaker and introduced unnecessary stressors as the device underwent heating and cooling cycles so the joints eventually snapped off
>>109034990Wonder what usually failed. Maybe it was an easy fix more often than not
>>109038612Not sure about the 360 but for the Fat PS3 it's a tossup between the NEC Tokin capacitors and the GPU.Replacing the capacitors is straight forward but there is no 1:1 substitute for the originals. 90mm RSX-es are prone to dying so the best thing to do is swap in a newer 65mm or 40mm revision and reconfigure the syscon to accept the new GPU.
>>109038612The 360 I believe it was just the solder
>>109038729I think a lot of people fucked up their own 360 when they opened it to clean it and change the thermal paste. The x-clamps are all fucked up and more often than not, said people would fail to re-install the x-clamp properly which caused the GPU to overheat. The slim 360s solved it when they integrated the GPU and CPU into the "XGCPU", and reduced the TDP rating.
>>109036358You just brought back memories of my first time soldering was putting Japanese caps on my 8600 GT
>>109038779Nobody was repasting their 360 bro
>>109038842Everybody who JTAG's or RGH'd their console changed the paste. It was routine because the factory paste was shit.
>>109038842I did and I was 13 when I did it
>>109035870that what happens when retarded ecowarrior policy makers get their way
>>109034990Planned obsolescense is hard to impletemt. Easy to overdo.In my case there was a special snowflake voltage regulator that went bad over time and standby power was gone.Replaced it with one that was not just cheap, the guy gave me a replacement for free. Because it really is worth close to nothing. And guess what, it will function well for decades, (not years, like the original did).
i had 3 of them red ring of death under a best buy warranty all within a couple of years. i then got a ps3 slim and it still works fine.
>>109036192It literally is though, Microsoft and TSMC have said so
>>109036834>>109035227lmao SnoysI got it on my fat PS3 toodefinitely a problem but Sony didn't do shit about it
>>109038865I made the mistake of trying to open up my fat 360 and holy shit it's such an over engineered piece of shit that I gave up and it's still half disassembled in some box.
>>109039436Sorry that's just some skill issue if my 13 year old ass could do it. I remember it was even easier than modding my OG Xbox. The PS5 teardown looks like cancer in comparison.
>>109038012Cracked the solder balls.
>>109035227>Yellow light was not commonI got 7 PS3s and the only one still working is the slim one.
>>109036358capacitor plague was early 00s, it wasn't a big deal by 2005-6. OG Xbox had bad caps. 360 and PS3 had overheating garbage chips on interposers, plus crap soldering. Eventually the thermal cycles pulled the interposers so much that the solders cracked. It didn't help that they rushed both machines out of factories for christmas. PS3 also had like a dozen other problems too.At least Microsoft admitted to it and spent like a billion dollars on extended warranty. Did Sony even acknowledge the fault?
