god bless china
>>109044638God imagine the coombots you could make with that.
>>109044638Kek they all released new models right after America crippled their own service for no reason
>>109044638amazing what a country can do when they're not busy babysitting jews and browns
>>109044638China really needs to invest a lot of money in creating high-quality data. That’s how both OpenAI and Anthropic improve their models. They could have their own Fable models right now, if they did that.
>>109044638>>109044712>>109044755>>109044764>>109044783literally not a single of these chink models are even as tenth of powerful as fabel
>>109044962buy an ad
>>10904496210x0=0
>>109044638May the moon never set on the Celestial Kingdom
>>109045367unironically this after yesterday. It's over for frontier level at least for a while. You will need a security clearance to use it, like you need one to work in any TS workplace. Hope you can get all the paper work together, don't forget to ask ALL of your previous employers and landlords for letters of recommendation (that is the annoying part!)
>>109044638god bless the CCP
>>109044638>z.AI GLM>Moonshot AI Kimi>MiniMax>Alibaba Qwen>DeepseekWhy are there so many different Chinese AIs? How are they even different?
minimax 3 burns credits like crazy though, I will keep fucking around with regular models thanks, its like all modern models usa or china just burn as much as they can, fuck that
>>109046107For the exact same reason americans have multiple ai labs. Despite common beliefs in the west, china has a shit ton of internal competition.
>>109046162US only has OpenAI, Anthropic, xAI and Gemini, so China has 1 more.Europe only has 1 (Mistral)
>>109046486>xAISpaceX*>GeminiGoogle*
>>109046535anon, i couldn't have understood him without you.
>>109044638I always wondered why Chinese models are almost all open source, while American's are pretty much all closed except a few.
>>109046644unironically good optics
>>109046644Ask an LLM if you're that stupid.
>>109046644To deal damage to 'murrican economy, are you stupid?
>>109045367Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5 still shit on them. k2.7 is ALMOST opus 4.5-tier. The gap is only getting bigger as time goes on. >>109046486You forgot meta.
>>109046950It's this. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded because once chink image and 3d models started getting half decent they close sourced them and only made them available directly from their servers via API.
>>109046988why lie?
>>109044638Oh shit k2.7 is out?How does it compare to opus and fable
>>109046988>k2.7 is ALMOST opus 4.5-tierI don't think so, k2.6 already exceeded opus 4.5
Kimi needs Gmail or phone number to use their chatbot. No thank you
As an european Im getting kinda frustrated how entirety of the continent cant compete AT ALL with china or usatheres like 12 usa/china models that are wholly better in every way than what eu produced
>>109047791ummm yeah but the european AI is least likely to say islamophobic things so it really is the best one
>>109046644Chinks can afford to give away AI because thy're treating it as a research endeavor instead of a ploy to make kikes even more richer at the expense of the worker. Private interests are pushing AI development much faster for the amerifats, but they're creating a lot of angry people. The American economy is one big sunk cost fallacy because no one has the stomach to face the music that a market correction will bring
>>109046644Their economy isn't built on monopoly profits.Oai/ant valuations collapse like 90% when Chinese models get to similar performance at 20% of the cost btw.
>>109046644US models are built to scam investors.
>>109046644They're distilling Western models for a fraction of the cost to try to undermine the Western AI industry.
>>109044638Th-there must be some way to outlaw this?! Save me, small government! Make China illegal!
Glazing China because you hate the West is like letting a mass shooter into the building because you hate the school bully. You deserve the fate you're going to get.
>>109046644the official stance of the government is that AI should serve humanity and not corporations. the chinese are winning by just not being ruled by billionaires.
If you told me 15 years ago that I’d be cheering for Chinese software because US is going full schizo I’d think you were a polnigger who escaped containment>hey but—shut up nerd
>>109048669>umm chuddy free shit is BAD, actually
>>109044638Surprising no one really. Those faggots really shot themselves in the foot AGAIN.>take down frontier model over petty bullshit>surprise surprise, your enemy won't let this chance escape and release whatever the fuck they have at hand to the public>cyberattacks will most likely ensue, since hackers have new tools and western retards crippled themselves over petty bullshit
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>>109044783The Anthropics Fabel model is shit, though, it doesn't even beat current ChatGPT.It is living on fluff and hype.
>>109046644They want their 1B population using it to get juicy data, pay walling it will get in the way and the AI there also is heavily subsidized. Like always, China is playing the long game, no need to create an economic bubble around AI, just let it grow as the market demands it and eventually it will become good enough for the average person to pick it over expensive western frontier models.
>>109048669>okay China has never started a war in the entire post-revolution history of their society but they're going to enslave us all because um...they just are okay!!!
>>109044962proofs?
>>109048669American trying to explain something>Imagine a school shooting
>>109044638Can any of these run on a 5090?
>>109047791>As an european Im getting kinda frustrated how entirety of the continent cant compete AT ALL with china or usaDeepmind literally operates in the UK and is a British AI company with a British CEO. Google just bought them and gave them money and compute to do shit.
>>109048764It unironically is. If you don't see this you're blind and do not understand basic economics—Communism never works. Capitalism does. Capitalism has created every single worthwhile advance in human civilization—Communism has simply stolen. Raped. Pillaged. Face it—Capitalist AI is the future and you are a Communist.
>>109049516The goyim are truly cattle.They will pay you monopoly rents and thank you for the privilege.
>>109048764not really free, you cannot run this shit even if its open source without a massive cluster, thats the whole point.>but muh local, or mac mini or whateverits shit get over it, if you have one of those hacked up servers with 4 gpus eating 1kw while asking something it was never free.
>>109049516>Capitalist AINo such thing
>>109046644China is very generous and kinda. That's why they give you shit for free and sells you thing at 10% the prices of what you could get them for normally. You want to power your own home and get off the grid? Here are your solar panels and power wall for dirty cheap. Hate how the price of gasoline keeps going up every year, with it going up 50%+ this year? Here's a cheap electric car you can plug into your home socket.Soon, you can even geta robowaifu for cheap.
>>109047791You need tons of energy to power your AI models. You're crippling yourself with nuclear, can't buy cheap Russian oil/gas, and now you can't buy cheap Middle East oil/gas either. Oh, you want to power your manufacturing? Buy oil/gas from USA for 300% the market price. Can't afford it? Now move your factories to the USA and give them your jobs.
>>109044638>>109045379All these models are ass because they're just distilled from western models, they don't do any actual training with real data, CHinks don't have the technology or knowledge to make a frontier LLM from scratch.
>>109049828What? Deepseek r1 was literally the only major innovation in how an LLM can be trained outside of brute forcing with more data.
>>109049727Capitalism created AI. Communism only copied it. AI is fundamentally Capitalist. You cannot argue.
>>109049828chuds keep saying this to downplay the West's decline, but China has shown more rapid AI innovation than the rest of the world combined. it helps that their AI development is mostly coming from universities and research institutions and not corporations so they freely publish everything they find. if you think China's AI growth is "fake" then you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>109046644>China does everything they can to undermine america in whatever way is possible as they can very easily afford it money wiseIT really isn't that difficult.
>>109049916Cool, so where's the Chinese Claude Mythos? OH WAIT, it doesn't exists and never will now that they can't distill it.
>>109049916Communism is incapable of innovating—only theft. Face it—Capitalism won; you lost.
>>109050015It's been achieved internally.Be patient.
>>109050027>Trust the plan! Two more weeks!
>>109050022>Face it—Capitalism won; you lost.jews be like "just stop playing goyim we won STOP STOP WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE GAME IS OVER STOP EMBARRASSING US WE SAID ITS OVER"
>>109050038I don't need to trust the plan I can see the progress in real time when a new open source model comes out.
>>109049828the fun part is that by making and subsidizing these cheap models china is getting even more user data than western companiesin the end they'll win by doing nothing
>>109050047China is a client state producing. China has not innovated a single thing—all innovation has come from the West.
>>109048749>look at muh xitter psyopsbing chilling
>>109050132your definition of innovation is basically "when capitalist country does thing" apparently.>As of 2022, it was reported in a study published by Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy (NISTEP), that China had become one of the top countries in regard of producing both high quality and high quantity of scientific papers, and accounted for 27.2% of the world's top 1% of most-cited papers in 2019, taking the global lead and surpassing the US who had come second, with 24.9% of the top 1% of most-cited papers.[10][11] The Economist also concluded that in 2022 China passed both the US and the European Union in the number of high-impact research papers published.[12]
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>>109050184Correct. Capitalism drives innovation—no other system is capable. The science coming out of China is stolen from Capitalist nations.
>>109050184yes they're writing a lot of 'papers', but still mostly following in western footsteps. innovation isn't about writing the most papers.
>>109050200thats cool and all Shlomo but China still won>>109050217China's academic papers are consequential and not just "writing". Many of the world's technological advancements have come from China recently. Which is why they are increasingly dominating the technology space. Chinese electric vehicles are literally superior to the West which is why the Trump administration banned them from being sold in the US. Chinese roads and infrastructure are decades ahead of the West. It's usually uneducated retards who insist China is some backwards society of copycats. I'm old enough to remember when they did the same narrative for Japan as "copycats" in the 80's and 90's until the Japanese were accepted as "honorary aryans" or whatever.
>>109050249Incorrect. China is losing. The US is stronger than ever and soon America Imperia will rise and crush Chinese Communism.
>>109050200china is more capitalistic and has a much more freer market than america, while america is much more marxist communist than china thought
>>109050272Incorrect. China is Communist. America is the last bastion of Capitalism.
>>109050249>Many of the world's technological advancements have come from China recently.like?>Chinese electric vehicles are literally superior to the Westbecause they went all in on battery technology, while western car makers are happy in their blissful inertia and market protections.>Chinese roads and infrastructure are decades ahead of the West.again, they spend a lot of money on this stuff. it's not some amazing technological achievement to build a shitload of 6 lane highways.>China is some backwards society of copycats.i don't necessarily agree with this even though they do it a lot. like just trying to copy the spacex model and making identical chinky copies of the rockets. i don't care if they do it, it's more competition. but call me back when china actually does something really amazing no one else figured out before. their scientific output looks impressive on paper but they still following.
>>109050285>but call me back when china actually does something really amazing no one else figured out beforeDeepseek revolutionized AI training methodology to make it 100x cheaper, is that not amazing?
>>109050280'communist' countries that aren't north korea survived by doing a lot of free market reforms. don't lie.
>>109050290this was out of necessity for optimization, they have some nice models, but they're still not making any frontier ones.
>>109050297markets are an integral part of the path to communism. I don't know why Americans are so illiterate when it comes to political theory but Marx literally said you cannot have Communism without transitioning from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism and then eventually Communism. Deng Xiaoping's "market reforms" in China was intended to develop local capital and industry to a point where Socialism is possible. Marx saw Socialism and Communism as the next stages of economic development, not as "alternative systems". China is operating under this framework while the West still thinks History is Over because a totally unrelated country collapsed 35 years ago.
>>109050324ok, call me back when real communism is achieved
>>109050334you'll be dead because jews will be extinct when communism is achieved shlomo
>>109045381Every fucking model can be jailbroken. It's an utterly retarded thing for the government to be mandating Anthropic to fix that shit. The administration is still sperging due to Anthropic complaints about using their models on "kill-chain loop". There's nothing else to see here.
>>109048608lmao
>—glowniggers can't even come up with cope on their own anymore
>>109050073>>109050027>>109049916
>>109050393He's wrong, but he's right about the models being MANAGED to scam clients. The token usage I see people running is mindboggling insane. They don't personally assess the output, they just ask the model do it all over again if the model itself found something wrong. How fucking crazy is that?
>>109050297Incorrect. Any country that allowed Free Markets abandoned Communism for Capitalism. China is Communist—there is no Free Market. You cannot argue with this.
>>109050414yes i can because it's the basic factsit's a Marxist-Leninist government with a market economy. you can argue they 'abandoned' communism and they did, to an extent, i don't particularly care about the specifics.
>>109044962you're sounding desperate dario, just relax and eat some baby foreskins
>>109045381I think you are just retarded>>109050309>frontierHiring more jeets to reinforce their model is not impressive
>>109050525>Hiring more jeets to reinforce their model is not impressiveIf it's so easy why can't they do it? just hire some jeets, make something better than anthropic and release it to the public lol
>>109044638I mean yeah, of course china pushed a bunch of models the moment anthropic attempt to deny access.Who couldn't see this coming?Why would anyone bother with anthropic now that they've proven they'll just rug pull you? They're actually running the "AI is a drug and we're the dealer" model and trying to ramp up the price on a product that people have gotten hooked on.Its fucking stupid, any sane company cannot trust their models to be priced right OR available 24/7 so I don't know how anthropic get out of this unscathed.
>>109049121Let's be real, the gap is massive on coding tasks.Let's see how far they can close the gap.Really hope they do.
More competition is a very good thing. But for once, please chinks, fucking INNOVATE like DeepSeek does (or like DeepMind in America), but innovate, and stop this benchmaxxxing mania.
>>109050396It's so tiresome – It's not just about ersatz prose, it's also about automated amplification, and it's also about the hollowing of intent.
>>109050272>china is more capitalistic and has a much more freer market than americaNearly half of China's market is state-owned you stupid cunt. Both are capitalist systems, but China is in no way a freer market than US. Whatever your complaints about regulations are in the US, the Chinese government takes that and quadruples it.
>>109050926>Nearly half of China's market is state-owned you stupid cunt. Both are capitalist systems, but China is in no way a freer market than US. Whatever your complaints about regulations are in the US, the Chinese government takes that and quadruples it.all AI research is open source in China. meanwhile the US has a few giga-corps hiding behind proprietary licenses and funding from the US taxpayer while keeping their research private. the Chinese unironically "won" at Capitalism while not even being Capitalist. Because Marxists understand Capitalism better than the delusional Capitalists who are really just hype men trying to sell you a scam so they can leave you with the bag when the economy collapses and they flee to Israel.
>>109050705it took like 15 minutes and multiple prompts for codex 5.5 to fix a sqlite wasm interop bug in my web app. and only after i said >it's still broken. the failure mode is not the reads now. it's the writes by how the logs look. since you appear to be guessing and haven't fixed it yet. i want a playwright test that tests for this exact condition. and it should be failing. that's the only output i want for this turn. don't try to write a fix....the tail is chopped off, but you get the point
>>109051032For GPT 5.5 if it fails to fix a bug it is usually better to start a new session instead of asking it again and again.Basically that context is tainted with a solution it thought it was right, and it is harder for the model to work on top that.In that case you would start a new session, describe the bug, and tell it exactly how it can find out that it is really gone.
>>109050926China is a free market in the original definition of a free market.That is, a market free from rents.
>>109051215Lol you've never been there have you?they rent everything in china
>>109046644umm something something capitalism something something competition
>>109051228>the goy hasn't read Adam SmithIsn't that supposed to be foundational capitalist literature?
>>109049828truthnukechinese llms are exactly what the name implies: a cheap knockoff of the western product designed to look nice on the surface but falls apart when you dig any deeper. look no further than electronics, china is still kekked into using nvidia because they lack the technology required to truly innovate.models like deepseek, glm, qwen, etc are nothing more than slop trained on millions of GPT outputs. that's fine if, again, all you need is a surface-level imitation of claude/GPT. but china will never produce anything like mythos/fable because like lack the architecture and data needed to construct it, and we're seeing that with their recent models being unable to keep up with actual use-cases (agentic workflows, tool calls). a facade will only get you so far.
>>109051215China is economically almost identical to nazi germany (and that's a good thing) but it's not a "free market" in any sense.
>>109048669>mass shooter gives me a knowing nod and let's me go while they go after the bullies with an understanding that neither of us snitchesbased China
>>109049516American AI is not capitalist. They privatize all the profits and they will offload all the expense to the public sector. That's like the opposite of capitalism
>>109052391That's what capitalism always leads to though.
