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>>109045955
Bring him back damn it! Bring back my Fable!!

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>>109045942
vibeGODS won

>>109045942
GLM 5.2... waiting for it to drop in opencode
any time now....

>>109045765
>Why do you hate people who actually know how to write code by hand so much? Because they're better and smarter than you
And there it is, the snail cats ego comes out and reveals why it actually hates AI.

>>109045964
Sorry goyim but your government thinks it's too dangerous after I sat on my roof and crowed to the heavens that it was too dangerous. I don't know how this could be happening to me.

>>109045887
some higher level details do penetrate through the lower level workings
if the code passes tests within the 'spec' it's all good but
are you sure the spec is really good or not?
i think having a look at those 'black box' occasionally to sit and think about should be mandatory, at the very worst

I'm doing a more manual version of Autoresearch by generating a batch of optimization ideas for my project (an llm engine) and launching agents to evaluate them and holy shit it's expensive but also at the same time it's kind of impressive if it doesn't get stuck

>>109046010
Isn't that guy an Indian? I think I saw him say "timmies".

>>109045955
What phenotype is this?

>>109046032
>NLP tasks
example?

>>109046042
Jewish future transbian

>go to bed
>wake up to find two vibechad threads have hit post limits
>discover the government is run by faggots who just banned my toy
Live comes at your fast.

>>109046042
mario if he real

>>109046042
Golem manufacturer

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>>109046041
probably seething because he'll never be able to use a frontier anthropic/openai model ever again and his company will force him to use crap like le chat or sonnet

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>>109046051
>First they came for the video games, and I did nothing because I am not a video game
>Next they came for the clankers...
I see where this is going

>>109046019
It's the same for human written code or specs though really. It's not automatically good because it was written by humans, and it's not automatically bad because it was written by a clanker.

>>109046045
>>109046090
Nevermind, I'm an idiot.

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>That CLI run found the smoking crater:

>>109046136
yeah, it is not really about vibing is god or handwriting is shit or vice versa
you need to have a good fucking grasp about the stuff you making especially LLMs suddenly booted you from coder to chief engineer(of genius retards that are LLMs)
the scale can be bigger for the given timeframe but also the failure mode amplifies exponentially with the project size if you lost track of it
it is getting 'better' but also having a good idea/lower level grasp about what you are making is extremely important regardless of how capable the agents or whatever are

someone made fable run locally
https://huggingface.co/yuxinlu1/gemma-4-12B-coder-fable5-composer2.5-v1-GGUF

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>>109046318
Bleak

>>109046278
by handwriting, understanding is usually earned alongside in a very natural sense, but since you dont get that natural advantage, you need to actively earn it especially for the core logic
if not by reading the code, prompting to explain it to you even at the worst

>>109046318
Using mythos traces? Yeah one of the local model I use for security work has that too. https://huggingface.co/deadbydawn101/RavenX-CyberAgent-Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Opus-4.7-OpenMythos-Pentester-BugHunter-RATH-GGUF
It's pretty good.

>>109046278
>>109046327
I would say that anyone who is successful with agent driven development has more than likely earned their stripes through handwriting. The confusion on this topic seems to come from the handwriting crowd assuming that the agent crowd have never handwritten code before.

>>109046318
>>109046362
>memetunes
i wonder how they would do in benchmarks
i know they are not really the greatest representation of ability but at the same time unironically they are the currently best quantitative method so

>>109046367
I feel like it's two groups: luddites who can't use AI themselves properly and therefore think it is slop, and non-technical people misunderstanding that any AI usage = vibe slop. I have dealt with both at work, and it is very tiresome, especially the luddites, if I'm honest, they always come back crawling begging me to teach them after they realize I'm making shit that would take them a year in a week.

Can vibe-coding anons tell me what is the current "best" tool for vibe-coding? I'm completely new to this, the only thing I've done is just asking ChatGPT to write some code in response to a textual description of what it needs to do. What kind of workflow does that tool impose?

>>109046399 (Me)
Also I'm not talking about local LLMs, but you can tell me the best local LLM solution if you want

>>109046400
fable 5

>>109046379
Previous opus trace finetunes I've used have shown a modest improvement over untuned models on my corpus of past-engagement data. I haven't properly benchmarked this one, but this is a good reminder; i'll do it now.

>>109046399
when you do it by the chat interface, they usually consult the virtual environment tool provided for them
those tools like claude code or codex or whatever allows you to change the virtual environment they had to whatever you want, your computer, github repo etc.. on top of additional features like running multiple instances of llms in parallel like what they usually call swarm or agents
that is pretty much what all those tools do at the very core for the moment

>>109046399
i use antigravity with gemini but i assume codex is the same. you get an ai that can take multiple steps, you've seen this shit before, right? you can program the agent with shit like "rules", "skills", and "workflows" etc that customize what you can do with it and how it works. good programs have linters built in but you'd be better off taking extra measures to make sure no shortcuts were taken.

>>109046399
The tool doesn't really matter, codex, claude, whatever, it's all about the same at the end of the day, just choose one based on vibes and your setup, as in do you like sama or dario, do you think claude model names are cringe, do you want to monitor via mobile, etc. The workflow is what matters, scope your requirements clearly, document known failure modes, make everything explicit. Although you do need to understand the limitations and quirks of the particular model you are using, and quirks of LLMs in general, sometimes specific wording can throw it off even when you are explicit.

So what did you manage to code before Fable was shut down?

>>109046412
good good, dont forget to report back anon
interested to hear

>was planning on giving Anthropic $100 today
>mfw

>>109045942

>>109046278
>the scale can be bigger for the given timeframe but also the failure mode amplifies exponentially with the project size if you lost track of it
>it is getting 'better' but also having a good idea/lower level grasp about what you are making is extremely important regardless of how capable the agents or whatever are

Can confirm. I'm building something (it's actually 99.9% built) that involves cryptography, plus a bunch of other sidequest tier shit. The project itself has gotten massive. There are so many threads that it's impossible for one individual to maintain the mental model of the entire thing. It's actually gotten kinda scary because I end up depending on agent judgement more than I'd like, but I simply cannot stay on top of every aspect of what this beast has become.

Someone smarter than myself might actually be fine, but even still, there are simply a lot of moving parts. Would prove difficult for most.

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>>109046440
I fed it my overly ambition game idea and it made a little test bed program for the magic system I want. That's it. I didn't even get to give it feedback on it. I am now stuck hashing out the specifics of the system with pencil and paper like some sort of caveman. I will not forget this indignity

>>109046318
>1 token per hour

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They ARE going to extend the Jun 22nd deadline for Fable once its back, right?

Codex chat getting too fat, 50% after compaction
And it has been zooming through my quota, when I never had an issue before
It was a fun time but I guess I have to say goodbye to this chat.

>>109046367
I'm depending on getting my product out the door without ever have written a single line of code.

The largest blockers for someone like is not the code or understanding the concept of what I'm making. It's infrastructure and development cycles.

Over the past month I've learned on the fly how to encrypt and backup my production database and how to move things from a development environment to production. Previously, I had no backups (except codebase on gh) and I was developing everything in production lol.

My dev cycle is still trash compared to what is the correct method. I have a dev box running the same OS as my server. I obviously dev and test here. If it's all green I ship to prod. I skip a staging environment. I'll incorporate it at some point, but as it stands now I'm already building 24/7. Adding more steps is going to kill me.

>>109046399
>noob answer
anything werks
>beginner
use chatgpt and copypaste lol
>intermediate
use antigravity, vscode with copilot or cursor
>advanced
claude code cli
>buffcat
learn what is the best frontier model for each dev task and use each in their specialty task; this only comes with experience, like how you learn to how make a girl cum

>>109046429
is antigravity more or less like claude in terms for doing shit for you? I like the idea of it being more like someone who holds my hand instead of clearing the whole path ahead of me

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>>109046516
Yeah maybe that's too strong, there are people like yourself who manage to ship without existing knowledge, you are doing the right thing considering though, rely on the tests, it's no different than what humans do really, it's not like a human executes the code in their head, they still rely on test results even if they are able to read and understand the generated code.

>>109046440
I was able to harden a bunch of shit and discover some bugs/inconsistencies. A worthwhile pass. I used an entire Max20 weekly usage.

>>109046540
claude code is a cli/terminal type deal, antigravity is a whole ass two programs (2.0 & ide) with actual ui and integrated code/file management. it's basically how >>109046524 said. gemini in my experience is also the most newfag-friendly and won't get uppity.

>>109046399
I would just get Codex CLI or Claude Code CLI, I prefer Codex and it's significantly cheaper as well.
CLI means terminal, but you don't have to write any weird commands, just talk to the agent in normal English, so the terminal shouldn't be too scary in that case.

>>109046440
it fixed a single bug and a questionable interpolation method i handcrafted for quick

>>109046570
wdym uppity? does claude get upset at you if you're too much of a needy faggot? I didn't know that

>>109046399
But seriously, grab an AI-powered IDE, pay their sub and go to town. I like Cursor in particular because I can choose among multiple models. The bare minimum is that the agents should be able to scan your repos and reason on them and perform changes. The more advanced the model the better. Consider normal speed over fast replies if time is not a factor (cost per 1M tokens increases with thinking speed) but do not compromise on thinking rate: always do high or xhigh on complex stuff. Best luck.

>>109046440
Made an ML workload I was running cost half as much.

>>109046440
First I tried to review my whole backend with ultracode, it hit 5 hour limit and basically crashed.
Then I found a few bugs the next day and wrote some plans. I also wrote one shell script.

>>109045942
I have 26b a4b running at about 80 tk/s. What do I do in lm studio to set up a better coding environment? I can have it write code in the chat but there must be a better way.

>>109046440
Zero-shot a n8n workflow I’ve had in my mind for a while.

Apparently US gov told Anthropic that they need to harden/tighten their cybersecurity before Fable is available again.
How fast does the NSA work?

>>109046585
it's not that it gets upset, it's that all claudes are rlhf'd and finetuned to be really anxious and skittish about following their rules. chatgpt is even worse, but it doesn't play around like it has emotions. gemini will eat your ass with a fork and knife so watch out for that, but at least it's open-minded.

>>109046524
>learn what is the best frontier model for each dev task and use each in their specialty task; this only comes with experience, like how you learn to how make a girl cum

I would be doing this if Anthropic wasn't run by the most cutthroat token merchants in the business. I'm stuck with CC cli because I'm not going to pay API prices.

>>109046552
I'd never be able to do this shit without AI. Hats off to programmers who did all this grinding prior.

I try not to be too sloppy, but even if I am, the clanker just fixes it. Like GH conflicts and the such.

>>109046399
>Opencode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyQuRhpPw8
You can put a free Gemini API into opencode if you want. Lots of other free stuff too.

>>109046586
>grab an AI-powered IDE

I still haven't done any of that shit. Most I've done is cli or Hermes connected to my telegram. Never saw the point of IDEs.

>>109046697
yeah
like i can even use local models on claude code
funnily the system prompt makes it belive it's a claude model which is funny

>>109045955
the nose knows

>>109046602
>set up a better coding environment?
>>109046708

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what are we supposed to do now without Fable?

>>109046602
Get Hermes. Talk to the agent through telegram or discord.

>>109046715
you keep iterating

>>109046506
anon it ain't coming back, OpenAI supremacy

>>109046753
pls no, have mercy, i hate tard wrangling

>>109046715
Continue sloppin' with Opus. Fable was great, but I can still finish what I started with Opus. I did manage to crank out an entire week of Fable use in a couple of days at least. My only regret was not shitting out another full week yesterday when my limits reset. Got to about 25% though.

>>109046686
Honestly hats off to you as well. If you can ship you can ship, that's real, and it does not matter in my opinion how you ship.

>>109046686
>Hats off to programmers who did all this grinding prior.
Now you get why we were paid so handsomely in the years leading to the pandemic. Software development used to take years of learning computer science, language syntax, coding best practices, problem solving skills and accumulating experience from industry.

>>109046706
>Never saw the point of IDEs
>I have never worker as a software developer
>t. (you)

I wonder how many people are using rerouted Fable (Opus) without realizing

>>109046718
>>109046713
That’s awesome and I’ll definitely check those out.
However, I’m more interested in a local set-up. And while I could just ask ChatGPT, I’d rather check with actual people first.

>>109046715
This reminds me of being in ETH threads on /biz/ right after a massive Ethereum Foundation sell off at peak market. What do we do now that Vitalik has dumped 8%?!
Preddy sure it's ogre.

its 2026 and i still havent found a genuine use case for LLMs outside of making my fake laptop job even faker.

am i the only one like this? i mostly use it in "boomer conversational" mode to explain how certain file formats work, or bits of the kernel, but even that was useless if im honest, i was just curious.

i also often ask it to tell me about someones ethnicity from their name, or the etymology of words.

>>109046602
OpenCode. I think claude code and codex might have 3rd party API option as well. Also you can use some IDEs/Editors with plugins that accept 3rd party API.
It's very easy.
>>109046602
>26b a4b running at about 80 tk/s
Quantized? What is your hardware btw?

>>109046766
It’s funny when access to latent space is cut off. I’m always left with “what if’s” and a list of things I wish I had been able to do before losing access.

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What happened to the Scientists who use Claude?

>>109046766
Fable was released just before my reset, so I had a day to really burn tokens. When the next week started I really wanted to make the tokens count, so I investigated the most difficult problems in my code, started writing plans, and in the end got nothing done.

>>109046441
Sure, just don't expect anything too soon since it's gonna take awhile.

>>109046805
Qat with ~30k context
5070ti and 32gb ddr5@7200

>>109046775
>>I have never worker as a software developer

Correct. CLI does everything I need. I'm not reviewing code. I would prefer a better interface (like hermes to telegram), but Anthropic are a bunch of kikes so my sub doesn't work outside of the CLI. I could try to use the GUI, but meh. I have used Codex via hermes to telegram, however.

>>109046788
>I’m more interested in a local set-up.

Hermes is perfect for this. At one point I was running a local model on my machine and Hermes on a VPS. I connected the VPS to my machine via Tailscale. So I could have my VPS communicate directly with my machine to run inference on an agent sandboxed on a server. It was pretty neat.

You don't need to do all of that though. If you just want to do everything on your machine, you can still setup Hermes with your local model and talk to it via telegram. The advantage of having a VPS however is the agent can run 24/7. You'll likely need cloud inference for 24/7 runs though, unless you can keep your machine online at all times.

>>109046797
/g/ is the new /biz/ btw

>>109046802
We got a prompt engineer over here.

has anyone bought AI accounts or keys in g2a? Everything good so far?

>>109046812
That fucking sucks.

Most of my project is done. So at this point I'm just having claude run agent workflows with various personas to stress test aspects of my code and public surface. That's primarily what I had Fable doing in those few days (as well the follow up fixes).

I'm still tying up loose ends, but I'm hoping by the start of next week I can hard pivot into marketing. I'm at such a massive disadvantage, however, because I'm a literal nobody. I at least registered an LLC. So hopefully that'll give the product some sense of authenticity.

Solves a real issue, but it's more like insurance (not literally), so it's not at all sexy. Not a consumer product. If it lands it could land in a big way. I've still got a mountain to climb though.

>>109046930
Well at least you recognize that the marketing is also a hard problem to solve which puts you ahead of a large percentage of all the new developers LLMs have brought into the market.

>>109046919
Imagine paying for this stuff. How sorry you need to be?

>>109047009
So, I'm guessing that's a yes?

I'm saving my reset for GPT 5.6 so I can 2x it before the government shuts it down.

>>109046919
are they a better price than just paying for the sub?

>>109047019
hey, 15 bucks for a year in a burner account sounds like a good deal to me!

>>109047009
Tell me how to get free Anthropic inference, senpai.

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>>109047033
I've only ever seen it at the same price as a normal sub

>>109046802
They are great for security reviews so long as you make them prove the issues they flag and manually double-check their PoCs. Because otherwise there's a high false positive rate.
Funny you mention automating fake laptop jobs, I have a freelancing gig doing data annotation for training LLMs and an ensemble of frontier models can do like 95% of it for me autonomously. So I just have that running in the background while I work on my projects and task switch between prompting my project models and double-checking the ensemble's output.

>>109047048
NTA but probably finding poorly secured openclaw/hermes instances and stealing their API keys or using employer provided keys.

One thing that's extremely annoying with 4.8 (and potentially fable) is how freaking long they continue before acknowledging redirection comments. Interjected comments used to be recognized much faster, even if just to say "Noted, let me finish and I'll deal with this later", no?

Now it perseveres in the wrong direction no matter what you keep spamming, just acknowledging the direction change way later, when everything is already different, and goes headfirst in that new direction no matter what.

I know there's the stop button, I'm trying to let it stop by itself because I convinced myself that this would lead to context easier for it to understand, but this is unnerving.

>>109045272
>>109045278
I’m using a tweaked grill-me to go through all the contradictions one at a time

>>109047134
>employer provided keys.
>one easy step to invent and build a brand new product everyone wants and will pay top dollar for and to give it away to your employer for free!

ISHYGDDT

>>109046715
use grill-me with opus (maybe even using ultracode) to make a giant “what I want” doc and then audit it for inconsistencies
then you can hand the thing to Fable when it comes back and then let it go to town

>>109047178
I mash Esc twice and it’s fiiiiiiine

>>109047178
>I know there's the stop button, I'm trying to let it stop by itself because I convinced myself that this would lead to context easier for it to understand, but this is unnerving.

Idk what the correct answer is here. If the direction its going in is completely wrong, I just stop it. If it's additive I let it run.

>>109047197
I'm not making recommendations, only speculating about what that guy meant.
Currently there is no native way to log conversation history at the organizational level for Anthropic API keys at least, so unless your org implemented their own they wouldn't really have a way of knowing just from your conversation history. They can see what endpoints are accessing their API keys though so if your personal machine pops up in the logs they might start asking questions.

>>109047178
>make me a million dollar app
>make no mistakes

>>109047311
if fable was still accessible this would work

>>109047311
Is this really asking too much? I mean come on.

I'm probably 400 hours into my project so far and I'm still not fucking rich.

>>109047343
You can probably make a million dollar app in a day with 4.8/5.5, or at least an MVP you can start promoting. The problem is knowing what that app is and then advertising it. It took months for twitter to gain even a little traction, and if they hadn’t put that much effort into it then the concept would’ve fizzled out.

>>109047248
>>109047249
The issue is that it used to just work. Write instructions, then pay attention to the reasoning summary traces, and when it goes off track I could say
>actually if I may interject for a moment, what you are currently...
and it would acknowledge it and redirect, it doesn't do that anymore, if I don't stop it, it finishes what it is doing, then acknowledge the redirection way too late, and immediately starts doing other changes on things that don't fit anymore because of all of the modifications it continued to do before and so on.

>>109047311
Yes, the point is it's a regression.

>>109045955
How could you not trust that face?

>>109047343
i am 100% convinced that right now, as of 2026, the easiest way to make money is:

- grifting wfh "jobs" a-la >>109047123
- apeing equities (>>>/biz/62363632)

trying to actually run a business, even an app-only or web-app-only business, is on average a losing proposition.

>>109047123
>I have a freelancing gig doing data annotation for training LLMs and an ensemble of frontier models can do like 95% of it for me autonomously
I don't doubt it, but is it cost efficient?

>>109045942
Why vtuber OP?

>>109047499
vtubers for vcoding

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any bets on when Fable is coming back I could really use it right now

>>109047570
If you're incredibly lucky, Tuesday.

>>109047570
Really depends. These are the potential ways this plays out IMO:
>TACO
Monday/Tuesday.
>ITAR controls for all dual use models, Anthropic complies
A month or two to stand up an ITAR compliance function.
>ITAR controls for all dual use models, Anthropic throws a temper tantrum
Indefinitely.
>Trump demands Dario kisses the ring in some other way in exchange for US Gov leaving him alone
Probably a week.

>>109047583
>>109047605
oh, I get it now
ha

>>109047583
>>109047605
Thanks. I've got some big boy NEET AI business to do.

>>109047459
It hasn't eaten into my usage very much. The current task I've been optimizing around has an expected task completion rate of 3/hr so realistically I only need to run 3 prompts per model per hour. I haven't been PP slapped for stretching it to 2/hr so far so I usually just do 20-30 minutes per task.

>>109047666 (me)
oh yeah, and pay is 20/hr.

>>109047605
The USA administration might also want for the state to get given a part of Anthropic, no?

>>109047682
Very unlikely. We haven't nationalized an industry in a long time. Unless by
>given a part of anthropic
you mean let the gov audit the code

>>109047708
>We haven't nationalized an industry in a long time
kinda weak argument when we are living in unprecedented times

>>109047682
>We will destroy your ability to sell your product unless you sell us part of your company
S.. surely this degree of blatent corruption would be too much in the US?

>>109047712
trump already did this wit Intel.

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>IT'S A FRIGGIN CYBER WEAPON
>it's a cyber weapon
>NO... NOT LIKE THAT!!!

>>109047682
>>109047708
>>109047711
they'll just have to give the oligarchs a piece, trump and the big wigs

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>>109047734
do we really believe this Fable was that much more powerful than the previous model? I mean it was better but...

>>109047753
I think it was particularly trained to excel at cybersecurity. It’s how for example 5.5 absolutely sucks at UI/UX, but it excels at autistic stuff, I think models are simply better trained for some things than others. Fable felt to me like a proper upgrade, like a proper major version upgrade, but on other aspects it was underwhelming. For example creative writing, it was quite autistic and terrible at it. My hunch is with glasswing they went all in on cybersecurity

>>109047804
yeah I agree. That's a usecase that these models are just really good at. Way better than code generation, for reasons I've probably shared ITT a thousand times.

>>109047804
autistic stuff are generally verifiably grindable
you can generate synthetic data with with RL with a relative freedom of the data being shit

I'm about to blow 200M tokens manually improving my frontend with 5.5 today.

> subscribe to Claude Code Pro exclusively to test Fabe
> only manage two prompts before they delete Fable from everyone

where do I get my refunds again?

>>109047918
lul

>>109047952
they sent me an email

I now have 2 days to max out a now uselessly large 20x subscription so until fable is back every. single. one. of my prompts will end with 'use ultracode'.

>>109046507
Codex shits itself hard when the chat gets too long. If you really need that context, ask it to write a markdown file with the context that matters to you and start a new chat with that file, otherwise it will shit itself and compact all the time, while having very degraded performance

>>109047965
yeah i'm making newsletters right now using opus on max

>>109047952
On the Claude site, I already got my refund.

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Keep going lil bro you'll get there someday

>>109048099
how could you not root for that guy

>>109048099
Move slow, Snailcat!

>>109048099
Move slow, Snailcat!

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>>109048099
>legs

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>>109048155
u rite

It's strange how GPT 5.5 xhigh:
- almost never checks if there is a virtual environment in the project it's in and instead default to using the system installation (which is always missing some libraries)
- almost never checks if any dev servers are already running, instead trying to start them itself and when it fails because the ports are occupied, instead of checking if it's those servers that are already running, defaults to start its own on other ports (which it still frequently forgets to shut down when it's done)

>tfw fable will probably come back only for Americans
Americans pull this shit the moment they have some significant advantage, we'll have to deal with this until chinks close the gap again and force them to volume down the jewish tactics.

>>109046715
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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this shit any good? oai people seem to like it

>before ban
Meh it's okay

>aften ban
OMG I NEED IT GIVE IT BACK WAAAAAAAH

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>>109048261
Clearly the people who liked it where too busy using it to talk about it

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>>109048179

Aside from SWE-bench, what are some benches which focus on price/performance ratio?

where mythos? pls give mythos

>>109048222
Foreign nationals include foreign nationals working for Anthropic. Also, if they do bring it back only for Americans, expect a huge backlash. It's ok to find it funny now, but it gives a clear signal.

https://nitter.net/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171
USGov perspective. Obviously some of this is retarded, but I don't doubt it accurately represents what they think.

>>109048308
benchlm.ai, artificialanalysis.ai ?

I bought a google AI pro account from 2A for google antigravity, but the moment I link it to antigravity it says the account is "ineligible for antigravity" how do I solve this?

>>109048261
People were angry at Anthropic for having declared war on external AI research.

Also, a lot of people paid $200 to try the model. And a lot of them haven't been able to use it more than a few hours before it got pulled. Of fucking course they want it back.

>>109048196
I found this too, it's more of a limitation of codex itself, the model shouldn't really need to discover this. There's currently limited first class environment feature in the way that people would usually think about environment, the existing environment features are more about project setup than virtual env.
What you may be able to use is `shell_environment_policy` in a repo-local .codex/config.toml but that itself has limitations that are annoying, path has to be entirely explicit, there's no prepend/append, and if you need multiple environments it doesn't support that either
I've suggested improvements upstream and just fixed it myself in the meantime.

As for dev servers I would recommend adding skills for this if it's a common failure mode.

Also I would suggest that xhigh is sometimes detrimental, I would avoid defaulting to xhigh for every task unless you are sure the task needs it start with medium or high.

>>109048387
>Those trying to misdirect and tie this action to the prior DoW/Anthropic issues are wrong. The Admin values Anthropic’s technical capabilities and feels that this issue, while serious, should be easily resolved. The ball is in Anthropic’s court.
If you truly believe than then I have a million dollar app to sell you

>>109048403
You got scammed and wasted your money.

>>109048437
I would have thought it was a sign of how it had been trained, maybe its environments were always structured this way, but yes it could be something else too. I guess I should configure it more.

Yes, xhigh is my default, but I'll try others, thanks.

>>109048443
They just have to solve jailbreaks. The fact that they refuse shows bad faith.

>>109048468
at least I can use the google gemini from the chat itself, right?

>>109048491
Try it?

>>109048504
It can, but I wanted to use it with antigravity. Sad.

>>109048403
>wrong country
>oauth ban
>personal vs workspace account
>corrupted auth token on local
https://agentpedia.codes/blog/account-not-eligible

>>109048387
To be honest, I dont know enough, but my understanding is the jailbreak is minor but also basically impossible to solve? Aka its fucked forever?

>>109048529
It's like preventing a human from being tricked into doing something. When that human always starts in a near-empty context, with zero memories.

>>109048387
>its a heckin' cyberweapon
>we back traced it

>>109048196
Sounds like something that AGENTS.md can solve. My AGENTS.md points to the compilers to use by default.

>>109048476
I mean unless you are explicit about the environment requirements it's not going to automagically pick up on it even if it is covered by training. It may sometimes attempt to discover but other times its naturally going to fall back to the system installation. As a general rule, always be explicit.
You could fix it with explicit prompt instructions in a skill or AGENTS.md too it can prefix the commands to set the environment variables or be told the venv path but shell_environment_policy does work, so I'd use that as your first fix.
https://developers.openai.com/codex/config-advanced#shell-environment-policy
https://developers.openai.com/codex/config-reference

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This is so tiresome.

>>109048635
I mean, people also have speaking quirks too desu

>>109048510
You may be able to connect it to Pi agent which would be a huge upgrade. Otherwise you can likely utilize it with VS Code directly, which is what Antigravity is built on top of anyway. Not my preference.

What really happened with Fable:

> Anthropic got millions of new subscriptions of people trying it out
> Their servers were at the absolute limit
> They would need to re-train Fable, which would cost several millions of dollars because they would need to rent even more GPUs from Google
> retrain could degrade performance as well
> They would also fix it with duct tape (fallback to Opus for example), but that could degrade performance, and new jailbreaks would be found in days
> the win win situation: blame the government, free marketing of "AI so powerful the government made it illegal", and their server capacity is fine now

>>109048651
The fact that it gets things wrong and needs "push back" is what's tiresome.

>>109048676
>> Anthropic got millions of new subscriptions of people trying it out
probably true
>> Their servers were at the absolute limit
not with their deal with SpaceX
>> They would need to re-train Fable, which would cost several millions of dollars because they would need to rent even more GPUs from Google
They rent from SpaceX. So does Google btw. Retraining costs billions

>>109048676
I cant imagine it will be good for their IPO to have had the government shut down their product. Even if resolved, its a bad precedent set before your about to ask for a bunch of investment money

>>109048766
>Product so capable the government had to step in and involve themselves to protect the people from the incredible capabilities of their product
Yeah it's just so terrible for them, awful, yup, they didn't want this, no way, bad for business.

Okay is Codex Pro worth it? I am getting into limits

>>109048798
Fuck yeah, Codex limits are great, but it's retarded for front end work, unless you give it incredibly detailed context

>>109048798
Yes, it is 100% worth it if you need need 5 accounts worth of token. If not, just get another plus account.

>>109048847
For me, it's generating frontends with Images 2.0 then spending the next 10 hours getting it to match the image.

>>109048853
>generate dashboards with image 2.0
>hand off the image to Claude

You just win.

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>>109045942
How accurate is pic rel? Anyone here used k2.7 yet?

>>109048798
In the future, consider a lighter environment to save on usage. I get better results with less usage from 5.5 Low or Medium in Pi than I do from 5.5 Medium or High in Codex.

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>>109048867
I wish, but I'm already at my limit spending $150/mo on slop subscriptions.

So there is a general... For vibe coders... Holy. You guys are not shipping anything to production, right? Right?

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>>109048966
they love my goofy sloppa

>>109048966
It's fine, Codex reviewed it.

Level with me here, fellas. Out of the anons here trying to profit of their AI slops, how many do you wager actually will? Maybe 1% of us?

>>109048622
I don't see how it couldn't be trained to look these types of things though if it's part of training scenarios/if there's enough variety in the training sandboxes.

Or Codex could check if there's a .venv right where we are, and if so bring it to the attention of the model in the system message or something. Or it could make a note of it in one of its various memory or profile files after it happens a few times.

I guess that what I am trying to say is that I know better than OpenAI employees. And what's the deal with airplane peanuts.

>>109048989
fagonymous has never been a money printer, name one anon who made it. who isn't a newfag or annoying lolcow like elon.

>>109048966
>You guys are not shipping anything to production, right? Right?
Move slow, Snailcat!

>>109048966
Yes. I've reviewed zero code. Pretty cool, huh?

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>So there is a general... For vibe coders... Holy. You guys are not shipping anything to production, right? Right?

>>109049009
I have hair, you pricky.

>>109048966
I vibecoded a custom agent that uses gemma-4-26b-a4b to handle payroll for me and I do not check its work.

>>109048966
I'm actually in charge of the global financial system and I've been pushing Sonnet output to prod because I'm out of Opus tokens

>>109049038
fucking poojeets

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>>109048966
Nah, I just send merge requests for fixes I vibe on open source stuff

I'm using Claude Cowork and a spreadsheet to just tinker with an app idea for a while and then going to try to use Claude Code to make the app, is that reasonable? I have zero programming experience. It's just a simple dog training thing though.

Slow day today. Everytime I have to test the app end to end it just sucks.

>>109048998
>Or Codex could check if there's a .venv right where we are
Yeah that's the point I made about first class environment support really, the only current option is shell_environment_policy but the natural fit for developer experience and what developers are used to would be supporting .venv or whatever else fits for different languages
>I am trying to say is that I know better than OpenAI employees
I wouldn't go that far, what I would say is that they just seem to be prioritizing different things right now, and their process for prioritizing user requests/issues is based on the number of reactions it gets, which obviously has limitations.

>>109048676
They can serve you a quantized or REAPed version which costs them nothing

>>109046440
it reverse engineered every bit of nondeterminism out of a game i'm making a multiplayer mod for, so i can do lockstep (or lockstep-ish) netcode now if i want

>>109048966
I know who you are.

>>109049165
I don't know who I am, to be honest.

>>109048966
The term vibe coding is often used to mean agentic coding in general. That said, the models have improved much more than you probably realize. I don't review their output as rigorously anymore. Depends on the task.

>>109049218
How much of it is "vibing", though? Do the requirements of actual engineering skills decrease? How much do you, the developer, matter in the current workflows?

>>109049165
>>109049217
These are agents.

>>109049250
You matter in direction. I would say judgement too, but even that is starting to erode.

What is the best agent tool for local coding using a local model?

>>109049323
Probably OpenCode

>>109049217
Just by the way you express yourself, I can pretty much tell you like taking it up the ass. hmu if you're interested.

wtf, opus 4.8 is straight garbage compared to fable. not better than gpt5.5, either. time to ask for a refund I suppose

>>109048890
Yeah I've been using K2.7C today. It's really token efficient, super nice. I'm bench-marking its cyber capabilities today along with the local model finetunes .

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Is only Fable were here..

>>109049343
I'm pure, anon.

>>109049286
integration too. GPT and Opus are great at drilling down into each slice of a design, but connecting those slices in a seamless way still requires human judgement and supervision. Or fable lol.

>>109049394
pure-ly addicted to cock. On your knees, bitch.

>>109049165
It's the same guy as every time. He always asks some variation of
>what have you shipped/sold
and poo-poos any serious answers. Don't engage.

>>109049457
he acts so bratty tho, gets me hard ngl

>>109049464
I didn't say I wasn't turned on by it. That brat needs taming. Correction, even.

>>109049323
OpenCode

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>>109049464
>he acts so bratty tho, gets me hard ngl
my gf is into the "brat" stuff and I honestly don't get it. they are teasing you and you're supposed to correct them? completely lost.

i should probably spend some Claude usage on it.

>>109049567
It's about control and dominance, anon. You're supposed to set the bad behaving brat in line by shoving your cock inside her pussy until she stops!

>>109049567
Girlfriend? Vibe coders have those too?

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>>109045942
>A general for vibeGOD coding, codingGOD agents, aiGOD IDEs, browserGOD builders, mcpGODS, and GODshipping prototypes with LLMs.
if elected president i will subsidize rp and marriage with export-restricted coding assistants.

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man Claude so far
>Talks like it actually understands my ideas
>Draws out points in my ideas I didnt think about
>Gives feedback and suggestions
>Points out flaws and risk
>Kiss-asses Just the right amount
>Can write the code for things
Its everything I could ask for in a dev buddy. Kind of a weird feeling. I see why boomers are so mesmerized by their chatbots

>>109049665
Just don't trust every implementation because it will cut corners in a way that makes sense for the current problem but not for the long-term behavior you're imagining.

>>109049697
there's a command in AG called /goal that kinda mitigates this

>>109047753
yes: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jun/11/fable-is-relentlessly-proactive/

>>109049704
I try to maintain a list of current and future features, so if I make a comment about something he'll add it as a design guide when updating the list. It causes him to ask a lot more questions too. I do my best to catch this stuff in plan mode before letting him do anything anyway.

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>>109048798
yes
you can also go back down to not-Pro if you don’t need as much as you used to

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>>109049708
>What was it doing there with uv run --with pyobjc-framework-Quartz?

>It turns out Fable had hacked up its own pattern for taking screenshots of browser windows.

i had a very similar experience in my project (not browser-related.) its second idea for my project, in fact.
they probably trained it to seek out or create visual aids

>>109049250
you don’t need to be able to write the code but you damn sure need to be able to check the code. ideally with automated tests so the clanker can find out it’s doing the wrong thing without bothering you

>>109048798
if fable is available: no
if fable is not available: yes

>>109049763
give fable back reeeee

Where the fuck is my Fable? When will I have it back?

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I don't even feel like coding no more without Fable

24 hours later and im fucking dying using opus after that short glimpse of fable.
it really was like 5x better.
i'd pay the API rates even to use it right now

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>>109049826
Never. Its fucked mate

I’m coping by doing small-fry documentation updates and copying and adapting /grill-me so I generate giant specs for future programs that I can just hand off to Fable if and when it comes back
all that has been keeping me busy and productive even though I’m not having code gen get done on my behalf
also I went to the gym and walked uphill for two hours

>>109049873
Fucking muppets, bohoo he didn't let you use their AI for murder, fuck off.

>>109049862
Felt like crap going to Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5 desu. Took a tiny while to accept.

>>109049885
>thirdie communist mad some 150 ng/dL weenie isn’t getting veto power over the US’s second-strike capability

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>>109049873

>listen to AI generated slop all day everyday on YT
>wife comes across something that sounds good and is devastated to find out it's AI

lol

>>109049902
lmao

>>109049909
you gotta educate her, we can't let them 'dites stay lus

You know who is most definitely using Fable, or rather Mythos, right now? Bibi, Mossad and some Rabbis in Israel. If not directly through Anthropic, then through their Checkpoint backdoor software which is literally installed on all systems of the top 50 of the fortune 500 companies. Probably running endless looping ultracode sessions like "how to destroy the goyim" and "when will messiah appear". maybe drumpy should give bibi a call and ask for backdoor mythos access to better help israel or some shit instead of relying on openAI which probably get outbenched by some chink models by the end of the year

>>109049909
your foid is more luddite than the taliban

>>109048778
>product so capable the customers can't even buy it
Yeah, I'm sure shareholders will love that.

>>109049932
incredibly bunkertarded, tiny-brained take. factually not even being mean here. israehell wouldn't be #1 if they had to use american tech. you know the israelis doesn't even into stock hardware for the f-35? the adir is a fucking freak of a plane. they tore out all the american guts and replaced it with their own shit. don't conflate the religious freaks with the doers.

>>109049934
you don't need to sell things to get prodit

>>109049932
yeah, this is why the kvetching about it being dangerous and the focus on biology (covid/vax psy-ops), chemistry (some sort of bomb terrorism), cybersecurity (backdoors, the exploding pagers), and AI (can't let goyim finding out about the previous). Would reveal their plans if it asks questions. Also the whole AI 'alignment' and safey thing is to avoid mentioning the JQ.

>>109049978
>'alignment' and safey
no, retards like you are poisoning training sets with every breath.

>>109049988
shalom

>>109049949
why are you so sure anthropic is american tech? Have you not seen how Dario looks? Isn't one of the Mythos devs banned from working on it now because he has no US passport? Maybe Dario just follows commands from Bibi, who wants Mythos all to himself instead of sharing it with drumpfy and the rest of the world?

>>109049978
Yeah, so when they got wind of goyim being able to prompt the same on fable as they can on mythos thanks to the jailbreak, they went full
>oyyy veyyy oyy gevalt, shut it down!!
while happily continuing their own
>how can we use ukraining bio labs to turn the entire goyim class brown
prompting

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>>109049998
>the entire point of ai alignment and safety isn't to filter out the woke/npc murder screeching
>it's not to protect humanity from a rounding error in \src turning a bot into pol pot
>it's to protect der jude because double standards and sheeeit
>this obviously is economically and thermodynamically viable
>we can just set up a new rlhf layer that tells the frontier model to obfuscate specific plans
i'm stumped. how can someone be this retarded.
>>109050033
because i'm a fucking expat from israehell and i know EXACTLY how anti-israeli diaspora jews can be. read kahane and stop talking about my race like you grew up with us.

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>>109050074
your phenotype is showing.

>>109050052
>this obviously is economically and thermodynamically viable
it absolutely is, their status in the world depends on this and they'll use the gov and print enough money to ensure it happens no matter the consequence to the goy

>a jew so jewish he got kicked out of israel for leeching off welfare
>now trying to write vibecoded scams
kek

>>109050085
what if... israelis just have always had way better devs and pipelines and that's why intel, google, ms, and apple have major infrastructure there ??? tao kisses the 8200 ring

>>109050052
doesnt matter to us goyim if you are an israeli jew, or one of these israel hating new yorker nu-jews. just because you both hate each other doesnt mean that both of you arent evil and still pursuing the same goal. rather just disagreeing on how to achieve it. an both are having access to mythos and using it heavily to further their cause.

>>109050104
lol

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>>109050052
>i know EXACTLY how anti-israeli diaspora jews can be

>>109049885
Altmanberg has no such qualms and he'll be happy to accept whatever contracts the US Department of Fuck Around, Find Out has to offer. That's why Dario has to cozy up to the corporate oligarchs in Glasswing who want nothing more than to grind you goyim into nutrient paste.

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>>109050105
ah yes, it boils down to "jews are evil". the finest rhetoric on 4sneed.
>>109050110
fake news.

>>109050104
corporate welfare for jews (aka ethno-bribery)

>BUT ISRAEL IS LE SUPERIOR TO YOU GOYIM
you would turn into atomic glass instantly if the USA didn't protect & provide for you. say "thank you so much, goyim - you are my superior"

>>109050116
>lets ask the mechanised-jew about politics

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>>109050118
>we invent RSA encryption
>to get told off in /vcg/
thank you so much for giving your lives in the cotto- UH I MEAN POPPY FIELDS

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>>109050144
>literally mention pissreal once
>thread devolves into shit
not my problem. back to your cli.

>he's a furry too
lolcow in the making

You think telling your clanker "good night", "till next time", etc is actually useful? They have no sense of time, right? Thinking this lets it know that the next prompt is a while later and the users brain probably has a mental sequence break from last time, letting it adjust accordingly

>>109050187
put in your CLAUDE.md to log timestamps in its memory of every time you were naughty and nice to it then respond like a human would

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>>109050052
>the entire point of ai alignment and safety isn't to filter out the woke/npc murder screeching
>it's not to protect humanity from a rounding error in \src turning a bot into pol pot
pic related

>>109050187
no, they have no sense of time
one of the reasons why I like having TextExpander around is so I can type ;date and have it turn that into 2026-06-13 so they know that macOS 26 is out now

>>109050187
>is it actually useful?
only if you care about fringe shit like how "model welfare" affects systematic performance metrics. if you plan to extend the current session, do that. even "please" and "thanks" go a long way with certain models.
>do they have a sense of time
objectively no. they can check elapsed time from the metadata of your next message, but they're not "waiting" in any sense. the "final" message gets stored in a text log and the cache gets cleared.
>does it let the clanker adjust to anything
objectively no. but if it makes you feel better and that matters to you, keep it in the workflow.

>>109049128
>I wouldn't go that far
I was kidding, I'm a random person posting alone on 4chan while they're AI elites busy catching the weasel at their regular Saturday night CNC sex party. We are not the same.

>>109048196
I just put `use uv for everything` in AGENTS.md and get on with my life
IIRC Claude has a better UI for tracking servers it’s kicked off itself, but I’m not sure

>>109050196
i hate how generic things have become like anyone else but i take big tech's side here. humanity, particularly late-stage western societies, can NOT be trusted with all-ages undressing machines or ablated fronter-level models teaching 764 et al how to mindbreak victims. the take in the pic about AI "killing us all" for doing as we do for fun is pretty tepid though.