Worst design possible: The Plug
The British, not to be outdone, came up with an even worse design. They have literal caltrops plugs lol
I need. Whenever I visited the US I had to be extra careful with this shit, I don't understand how Americans don't get electrocuted with this shit on a regular basis, the metal plug literally sticks out because it doesn't hold inside very well.
>>109054201*indeed
>>109053788sometimes captcha looks like a plugI always think about it
>>109054258It always reminds me of the goatse guy's fingers.
>>109053788honestly I cant think of a better one
>>109054180Cease your blasphemous words. The British plug is the best plug in the world. And the pride of our people. One of the few things we can still be proud of.
>>109054488I lived there for 14 years, and honestly I miss the kebabs more than the plugs. I would kill for a decent doner.
>>109054180
>>109053788Anybody else remember these growing up?
there is even worse designed plug tho
>>109053788heh
>>109054546american flag should be a jap flag
The British need to invade the world again to free it from being oppressed by such weak and effeminate power connections
>>109054640>unrecessed sissy plugnothing on schuko
Hopefully the EU will harmonize the shit out of it.
>>109054546bottom right plug converter
>>109054665Why did that happen?
>>109054201It's okay. Their outlets deliver puny 100V anyway. That's why they still use gas stoves in the 21st century and have never heard of kettles.
>>109054665She probably messed up that adapter's internals which in turn is creating an electric arc between the line, ground and neutral pins.
>>109054931she removed the ground pin from the plug
>wired meme. When is wireless electricity returning?
>>109055272that wouldn't cause a fire but an electrocution risk
>>109055317wires just guide the wireless electricity to their destination for more efficient transport
>>109055272I asked why not what. You can see the extension cord straightening out immediately.
>>109054931Looks like a short circuit. Probably more modifications were off camera, or just not on this vid.
>>109053788Dont euro plugs have fucking fuses in them? Thats horrible. If you're out of fuses and your plugs shits the bed now you're fucked.
>>109055432>Dont euro plugs have fucking fuses in themUK plugs have them but mainland Europe does not. Fuses in UK plugs rarely shit the bed and when they do it's for good reason, to protect your shit so the fuse breaks instead of your electronics. Now in The Netherlands for example if there is a storm you're relying on the house power circuit to kick in and protect your shit, and let me tell you it's fucking worthless. And then there's the fact that all wall sockets in my country don't have on/off switches like they do in the UK so when you put in the plug you get sparks coming from it as it's always active, why because all sockets are looser than a britbongs slag's snatch because whatever you plug into a wall still draws power because there is no off switch so you're constantly plugging in and out certain appliances so shit like chargers don't get red hot when you leave them plugged in. Power strips with an on/off button help but then do you have the space to have these by plug sockets and so on. I can complain about the shit electricity standards my country has all day long but you're not going to hear me complain much about the UK's standards. I just hope other euro countries have it better than me. This is no way to live.
>>109055637Im an American electrician and euro plugs do seem better aside from the fuses. Its just another thing that can break. We dont have redundant on off switches for plugs. Things dont spark going into a plug unless its like some big thing that's trying to draw a shit ton of power immediately. All electrical problems I see are from things being installed wrong or just being old and outside and weatherd. If anything breaks under normal use its just because it was manufactured badly.
>>109054546If you are concerned about pulling out that shitty variant of the schuko connector you would use this one. Also the UK connector is not reversible which makes it worse than what we use here in central european countries
>>109055432only uk does that and it's because their shitty ring mains wiring system makes it necessary
>>109054201Cheap hotels always have ragged out sockets. Nobody lives like that full time except the lowest lowest slum dwellers.>>109055046>Their outlets deliver puny 100V anywayIt actually hits the human body the same as euro 200V because of the higher frequency.>they still use gas stovesBecause we can still afford them. American range elements are the same wattage as euro.>have never heard of kettlesQuite literally stocked at every Walmart and Dollar General.>but you don't have 240There's actually a NEMA standard 240V small appliance socket and every house has a 240V supply, but almost nobody bothers to have these installed. There's simply no use case other than heating water for black tea 2 seconds faster.
>>109055766reversible is bug not a feature
>>109055813Not enabling shit design is a feature. There's no excuse for small appliances to not handle arbitrary hot / neutral orientation with no ground. Ground should be reserved for devices handling 1kW+
>>109055920Europe's electrical standards are third world tier. Another thing you think is perfectly ok, is plugging an appliance with a 3A rated cable into a 16A outlet without a fuse in the plug.
>>109055804>there's akshuallyyou don't have 400V lol
>>109054559i’m old but not that old
>>109055046on the other hand, if we get electrocuted by one, we just get a bad hair day and not a trip to the morgue
>>109055813It is literally a feature, you retarded ape.It's the reason why the American plug is retarded in my eyes. If the American plug was reversible, I wouldn't really think it's too bad, though it still has flaws.
>>109055804>There's simply no use case other than heating water for black tea 2 seconds faster.And having a cooking stove that actually does something.
>>109056735let me guess you're one of those midwits who thinks there's no difference between live and neutral because AC
uk plug best just hurts soooo bad when u step on it actually worse than lego and thats a pretty bad thing to step on
>>109056764There is no difference if your appliances are not medieval deathtraps that use their metal casing as a conductor.
>>109054546Once stepped on a Brit plug (type G) and it gouged a hole in my foot that I had to tend for like two months. This shit is real as hell. It is also one of the nicest plugs I have ever used and is one of the top 5 things I miss about living in IRE.
>>109054180I disagree but the switches on the outlets are overengineered garbage
I love seeing a plug/outlet standards thread on /g/.The only comparable thing is /diy/ arguing about fastener drive standards (slot, cross, square, torx, etc).
>>109056764When you're a manufacturer of an electrical appliance, you assume you don't know which one's which. Any socket may be wired in reverse. Relying on anything like that is deadly.In Europe, the rule is, either of the 2 holes may be live, so you you'd better fucking be careful. In America, the rule is actually the same, and telling people otherwise can cost them their life.
>>109056831Which screw is most painful to step on though
>>109056839yes, no one ever makes things edison screw holders anymoreor check your own appliances, a minority of them will have power switches that cut off both lines
>>109056842philips
>>109056759US electric stoves are on 240v.
>With the notable exception of North America, premises around the world receive either a three-phase supply or a single-phase supply derived from a three-phase system. In North America, most premises are instead served by a unique split-phase connection which provides a choice of either 120 or 240 V at 60 Hz.Christ, what an embarrassment.
>>109056901Hell yeahI know what I'm doing this upcoming weekend
>>109056901German electric stoves are on 380V three phase
>>109054528https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy736xme2vvoYou sick fuck!
>>109053788That is the worst. It pulls out far too easily. I've had wall warts that would slowly pull out under their own weight. Literal trash tier.The three-pin variation is much better, up to the level of being rated "not very good".
>>109056867Lamp sockets are not the same as regular electrical sockets. But you shouldn't assume those are wired correctly either if you want to stay alive, though they will be most of the time.
>>109053788*blocks youre path*
>>109053788Invent a locking mechanism for it on the receptacle end and it easily becomes one of the top tier. Until then, OP is correct.
>>109057095you never had a desk lamp with an edison screw?
>>109057122I don't think you would need such a complicated mechanism. EU plugs are very hard to pull out accidentally, I don't see why they don't make them to be similar.
>>109056794No appliance does this. Neutral and ground are always separate.
>>109055804>black teaIt's called African English breakfast now. Black as an adjective has been canceled.
>>109057297>didn't say African American Englishoff by one
>>109057122I doubt you need something so complicated as a locking mechanism. Schuko plugs make a very sturdy connection and aren't easy to pull out, like you want to use both hands, one on the plug and one on the wall socket or you'll end up ripping the socket out of the wall sooner or later if you just pull the plug. It requires quite a lot of force to unplug, it's not falling out on accident.
>>109057193Something about patents don't let it exist outside of hobbyist making for their own usage. Doesn't help there's another US standard (picrel) that could possibly replace it (or make it worse, tends to happen when unionizing things to a single standard). Either way, legal shit tends to get in the way of innovation.
>humble europoor walks inhallobeer?
>>109057342Doesn't look like it addresses the exposed live metal issue at all. Furthermore, I seriously doubt there could be any sort of locking in a consumer standard.
>>109057342>NEMA_v15.0.11_stable_final_final (3)
>>109056657>plugging an appliance with a 3A rated cable into a 16A outlet without a fuse in the plug.You know nothing, stay dumb.
>>109054546>pins easily bendAnd that's a good thing!
>>109056658Just buy twice as much copper Nigel. What are you, POOR?
>>109057059But your nanny state doesn't let you have 5kW oven elements.
>>109053788Italians solved the problem with the BTicino MAGIC connector, in the 1960shttps://electricsarchive.eu/plugs/plugs_magic
>>109054180The British design isn't worse. It's arguably more safe and it consumes more space and is definitely more British, but I don't think it's worse.European one is the better one. The one with the things. The fucking regular ass things that go into it with a recessed thing on it. That's what you're supposed to have.
>>109056831Isn't it + > * > [] > - ?
>>109053788why even bother with the polarity shapes...
>>109054559>If ears are not needed, remove them by bending with pliers until they break off.Ok, Mr. Van Gogh.
>>109059470Some appliances need live and neutral the right way around, others don't. Ones that do usually work fine with them switched, but may electrocute you if something comes loose inside.
>>109055272The ground is merely a safety feature. Something else must have been wrong.
>>109059337There's only one king, and it's external hex.
>>109059637This. Even if you don't have the correct socket, you can use pliers so long as it isn't down a hole.
>>109056901>electric stoves are on 240v.that's thee phase, which in europe is 400 volts, and yes they have those too
>>109054488>massive stupidly expesenve plug to counter the ring house-burn-down-o-matic finals.British wiring is the WORST in the world and it's why they need such a stupid plug, since the ENTIRE CURRENT OF THE WHOLE HOUSE will pass through EVERY SINGLE PLUG.
>>109059762*2 phase.Not 3 phase.EU/Aus 3 phase is 400/415v on each conductor.US 2-phase 240v is 2 phases that are 120v, but the sine waves oppose each other, so the maximum potential becomes 240v as you're really at +120/-120v
>>109059769Yes, because 16A circuits are perfectly fine to connect to a 3A rated appliance.Also, British plugs are not expensive. Their design is actually very simple. Its just a two part molded shell and a few bits of brass.
>>109057059Why does Europe have such a weird electrical system. You switched to 3 phase for some reason instead of just using more current, its weird. There is no need whatsoever to run a stove on 3 phase. Its also more complex as well. Unless you have some industrial lathe or something, 3-phase has no business being inside a domestic building.
>>109055337based
>>109056831it's pozidrive.
>>109059832>more metal is not more expensiveThis is why Britain is broke.
>>109059790illustrated.They use multiple phases for different reasons.3-phase does it to smooth out the power, so motors and such aren't getting huge pulses of power, but smaller more frequent pulses which results in smoother and more efficient commutation.US 2 phase is so they can have 240v appliances while only ever having a 120v distribution system and makes the power pulses worse.
>>109055804Do Americans not have a coffee machine? I thought they loved that shit
>>109056831jew screw > hex > literal shit > PZ=PH > slotnever seen irl the leaf square one
>>109059908Holy retard. None of this unicorns and rainbows uwu shit is true.3 phase is there for efficient power delivery. Increasing conductor count by 1.5 boosts deliverable power by 3, it's retarded to leave this on the table. American shit is just a voltage divider. The only motor related thing about three phase is that it will always spin in the same direction without any controls.
>>109056658You can get 480V if you need it.
>>109055920>>109056794There are many situations with supposedly double insulated audio devices connected to other things where ground loops get exacerbated by wrong polarity and even results in damaged outputs/inputs.
>>109060283Not my problem. Class D goes brrrr.
>>109059842> 3-phase has no business being inside a domestic building.NGMI
>>109059842Seems useful to put the heavy loads on 3-phase for load balancing. Especially with EVs being such hogs.
>>109059842>Why does Europe have such a weird electrical system. You switched to 3 phase for some reason instead of just using more current, its weirdIt's not weird it's literally what the whole world does when they need MOAR POWER, you do it too when it's industry or apartments. We just do it everywhere because we are that much better at doing everything.>There is no need whatsoever to run a stove on 3 phase.Yes and they literally run off 230V because everything wired to neutral. 3 phases at 230 is still over 9KW. One 2.5mm neutral wire doesn't complain that there is 9KW because it is 3 phases, some phenomenon to do with Kirchoff but I don't know I don't really give a shit, it works.>Its also more complex as well. Oh nooo it's ONE MORE WIRE than split phase 240 aaand I can plug any industrial electric motor in my house should I want to do so. ISN'T THAT FUCKING NICE?
>>109060203jew > pz/ph > slot > feces >>>>>>> hex>never seen irl the leaf square oneyou should see special snowflake japan screws that is technically not PH but also basically isnintendies use them
>>109054528But this is not cause the British Plugs are bad, your kebab is way to good, was in London 2009 and still dreaming from it, there hundrets of kebab places in vienna and everyone sucks
>>109059842>Unless you have some industrial lathe or somethingMaking my fucking point for me.>3-phase has no business being inside a domestic building.Why not? For all the american screeching about MUH OWNING LAND you now can't imagine someone having an industrial lathe in one of their sheds on their massive plot of land?Or is that all absolute bullshit and you live in a suburban stick and cardboard house that is less than one meter away from another cardboard house, with a front and back yard that even a communist would call pathetic and small? Americans are pathetic goblins.
>>109054528>>109061006Go to t*rkey or something for that, fucking retard what the fuck are you doing, eating slop at UK money laundering fronts and liking it. Unbelievable.
>>109059842>There is no need whatsoever to run a stove on 3 phaseeach stovetop spot is like 2-3kW when turned on and heating and the oven itself too.
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>>109059842I don't think most stoves are 3-phase. It's usually used for industrial machines, and most places only have 2 phase electricity.
>>109061055I kneel.
IEC/SA/Brazil/Swiss design still the logical household plug choice in just about every regard - mechanical features, manufacturing/repair or replacement with hand tools, safety (no, you don't put that fuse in the plug), weight and mass.
>>109053788bad design when considered on its own maybebut it's so pervasive and consistent (assuming 3-prong outlet) that it's a chaotic good
>>109054609Those are in US, Canada, Mexico, pretty much all of latam, and I am sure is the defacto plug in Africa and middle east.
>>109054599the horror
>>109054599>>109057099Yes. I got this fucker in JP. Why is it allowed to exists?>>109054663Already happened via Europlug.
>>109055718You will never open beer with UK plug.>>109055813Agree. Anons do not know about socket polarization.
>>109056657Idiot.>>109056839Not true in french-belgician norm. Live is just one hole.
>>109059842Higher voltage means same power over less copper compared to increasing current.Additionally three phase saves you the copper of two return lines with the same exact power.Our ovens don't actually use the 380V from the three phase, they use the different 220V phases for different elements for a lot of power out of little copper.America instead decided to use aluminium when copper was scarce and burned down countless houses with it.
>>109063005>Live is just one hole.Wow, I never would have thought. Please tell us more.
>>109059842>just use more current broHigher currents mean higher transmission losses, idiot.
>>109053788>get widespread adoption of electricity almost a century later>haha silly americans, if only they had the hindsight!Yuropoors begone.
>>109063097first mover disadvantage innit
>>109054528Exactly why migrants coming to Northern Europe is a good thing, they create good food
>>109061261American electronics have had ground pins on their plugs for decades now, those two-pronged ones are ancient
>>109063153even the Japanese let Turks into their sacred nippon for their delicious doners
>>109063174Japonya will be muslim alhamdulillah
>>109063072CEE 7 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEE_7Not like in some 3rd world as Russia (for example - I met it there).
>>109060194Coffee brewing is dwell and grind time limited not so much power limited.
>>109060283>but what if i have defective hardwareThrow it out I guess. Not my problem.
>>109063495yeah, I'll do that right after I discover the fault when my house burns down
>>109063532I'm still failing to see how your defective by design active ground snakeoil is my problem.
>>109063784I fail to see why you're trying to make your low functioning brain my problem
>>109054201You grab and hold the plug by the protected plastic and not the metal? How stupid do you have to be to shock yourself with a basic plug?
>>109060194>eurpoor is indignant about coffee machines while not knowing anythingThere are countless coffee machines that run on 110v/120v, retard.
>>109064421Except those drip machines heat maybe a spoon of water per minute. Perfectly ok if you're not in a hurry.
>>109064445There are also shitrigs if you're that much of an adhd whore who can't let a pot brew.
