Has the rise in cost and complexity of GPUs just turned anyone else off from gaming and computing in general? The games don't even look good.
>>109055610More than that. Technology just fucking sucks.
>>109055610after certain point graphics looking good is about grinding more artist hours to make better assetsimo gaming has decoupled itself from bleeding edge techshit years ago
Games look great actually.
>>109055666ok satan
>>109055610I just hate the companies that make them.I can see spending 1500+ on a GPU but only on the basis that it's reliable and should something happen I don't feel like I have to fight just to get a replacement.At this point I don't feel like I get either.
>>109055610No, because I'm not a retard. There are thousands of fantastic older games out there which are all available on PC one way or another and will run on a potato. Reject AAA goyslop and meme tracing. Return to soul.
If anything it made me appreciate older games more. Dwm.exe takes up more vram than Bioshock.exe today.
>>109055610Not really, because the games I'm playing don't require even the 3060TI I got and it only got 8gigs of vram.>>109055733>>109055638These two posts summarize my take as well.People working on games used to focus on making them fun more than nowadays. They also focused on the art of it to the point where even if I can count the polygons it's still more appealing to my eyes than whatever new Unreal Engine "insane graphics" game comes out.Might just be me, but "realistic graphics" was something I never understood the desire for. Even in porn games I prefer stylized.
>>109055610>The games don't even look good.
>>109055845blurry slop ai mess
>>109055610Not really. All games I play don't really need a good GPU tho. I was content with my 1070gtx and the only reason I got an 3090 was because it was relatively cheap for a short while.
>>109055845I have a 4080 and use it exclusively to play Classic WoW.
>>109055916Same here on a dedicated WoW Classic machine but with a 5090 and a Core Ultra 9 with 128 GB DDR5 RAM. Come duel me and my 970 FPS on Firemaw.
>>109055610Other way around. There are no good games that require a modem GPU.
>>109055854Games on my PS5 Pro & 4K OLED TV look sharper than they’ve ever beenMaybe stop using FSR1 upscaling with your poorfaggot rx 5000 GPU
>>109055610u wot? we have intel integrated graphics and adreno gpus that play the best games on battery
>>109055610Yeah. 3D overall was a cancer on the gaming industry. Back before it was perfected, it resulted in developers focusing too much on it and producing shit games that were clunky as fuck and haven't held the test of time. Meanwhile, a lot of 2D games from before that are still enjoyable.It got much worse when they finally perfected it. Sure, there are quite a few 3D games that are among the best in history, but overall it was like the democratization of the internet. It filled the industry with normie blockbuster bullshit aimed at room temperature IQ and it keeps pulling away more and more resources from the things that matter. In gaming and elsewhere.Reminds me about something I read a while ago about how back when Japan was closed to most international commerce and the black ships appeared, they had been spending decades perfecting the tea ceremony, then the normies appeared with their soulless advanced industry and steamrolled them (same applies to most native peoples back then).Autists just can't get a break can we.
Nobody wants to take chances on game development anymore because a AAA game costs $100M and like 6+ years to make. So when you sit and watch State of Play and SGF it's all the same 2 game ideas rehashed over and over again. None of it matters though, because if the forecasts are true and hardware costs keep rising the industry will cave in and die.
>>109056052>because if the forecasts are true and hardware costs keep rising the industry will cave in and die.Thank you Jesus.
>>109056052Japan and the indie industry proved you don't need these insane production costs to make absolute art. Same in cinema.I'm so fucking tired of everyone thinking that because capitalism managed to create a stable society it's the best we can do.It just kills society slower. We need to keep looking.
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I really don't see a use case for anything faster than like a 3080ti or 6800xt. These new games look like shit and run like shit, so they have to use DLSS and whatnot to even be playable. These products are made to prop the other product up and justify prices, it's ridiculous.And yes, i've kinda lost the spark and interest in it all. I'm still on my 5600x and 6800xt and there's no reason to upgrade, and i won't.
>>109056052All conventional business knowledge comes from the industrial revolution. That era taught people to make money by using repeatable, assembly-line processes. In the information age, that model no longer fits. New products and services must be novel and different from previous ones; if they’re just copies, they quickly lose value. Because there’s little reliable repetition, it’s hard to make confident predictions or long-term investments. For example, the next blockbuster video-game genre could emerge in 1, 5, 10, or 100 years — nobody can predict exactly when.
>>109056007right but the PS5 doesn't have good games
>>109056153It has every third party game under the sun. Are you implying all the PC games aren’t worth playing??
>>109056265You need a super old firmware version console that never connected to the internet to install linux
>>109055610we hit extremely diminished returns maybe half a decade ago. maybe a decade, eventhey could keep making games that look like MGSV or elden ring for the rest of my life and I would be happythe problem is if developers try to target some ridiculous ray tracing level and don't even bother to implement "fake" rendering techniques. I'm ready to skip those games, but maybe it will become the norm if unreal and unity fall into that hole. we'll see. worst case scenario, I have plenty of "old" games to play
>>109055610No, I still like video games.
>>109056265And many of them run like shit by virtue of being under sony's thumb and having no way to change settings. The original Hollow Knight ran at an abysmal 60fps until very recently, even for a while after Silksong was released. The input lag was very noticeable between the two. Same goes for other games, like some shmups and older emulated games. Many of these indie games also lag way behind the PC releases in terms of updates and content, look at Binding of Isaac for example, or Crusader Kings 3 missing several DLCs. Paying 1000 bucks for a PS5 pro to play bad ports of good indie games is ridiculous. The only thing the PS5 has going for it is idk graphical heft, but even that is questionable because at some point you have to ask yourself whether "photorealism" actually adds to the game, compared to stylized graphics. And we all know these photorealistic UE5 games are utter fucking slop. But if you wanna play God of Whore as some fucking wench as opposed to Kratos, be my goddamn guest. Sony cuck.
>>109056322Even for sony's dear darlings, like Dark Souls 3, still runs at a ridiculous 1080p when the PS5 could easily handle it at 4k. Same goes for Bloodborne.
>>109055610outside of large AAA games, 95% of games will run on low / mid power parts (the AM4 / Ryzen line is now a decade old btw) because they just so happen to be decent enough. just buy whatever 8GB card you can for $200 and a $50 secondhand ryzen 3200X and you can play pretty much any game you want.
>>109056350that shit would even run Doom Eternal perfectly, these shitass newage AAA devs have no excuses
>>109055610Yes, because we need separation of:1. oldschool gamer (vertex + rop... maybe new tech too)2. llm (vram)3. diffusion (tensor)we already have4. the card for everyone (and no one)I realize there will always be people who want ai and stuff and the latest fluff.Us uncs just don't want it. I turn off as much as I can, and mod it.Basically, I want all games to look like Morrowind, except without constant fog. In finity binoculars would be nice.
Doom 2016 might have bee the last game that I kinda went "wow" on PCRemember when people were saying a single 980ti was going to be enough for 4k? Lol
Just stick with 3060ti or 4070ti. No point in spending a fortune because devs no longer knows how to optimize their games.
still hanging on with my 1080tii don't play anything new anywaysi do wish i had 4:4:4 subsampling at 4k on hdmi so my text didn't look quite so bad on my lg oled tv i use for a monitor but oh wellit's just not fun anymore, 12vhpwr that melts, $400 for a reasonable amount of ram, expensive ssd's, you name itidk where this hobby is headed desu, future looks dire
Maybe i just got old, but new big budget games don’t really grab my attention anymore. Newest ”big” game i’ve played is Space Marine II, it’s fine for the 20€ i paid for it but i can’t imagine putting more than 20-30€ on a game anymore. Switch 2 seems cool and has games that interest me, but there is no fucking way i’m paying the absurd prices they are asking.I hope my 7900XTX never dies because i’m never ever going to buy a top tier gpu again with these prices.Thank you for reading my blogpost.
>>109056419alien isolation was released around the same time and is also very well optimized. [spoiler]most modern games are actually well optimized outside of glaring issues like data leaks, retards just like throwing the term around to justify why their 4GB VRAM having rigs can't play something[/spoiler]
>>109055610Fake frames for fake games
>>109055610>buy a midrange gpu for like $800>runs everything at 1440p60 (or 4k60 / 2440p120 with gayscaling) for at least 5 yearsThere are few hobbies that are as affordable as gayming
>>109056052>Nobody wants to take chances on game development anymorequite provably false. Companies are betting the house on their 300m game becoming an infinite money printer. A game cant cost 10m and make 15, it has to do a 10x or else its a complete flop in the eyes of shareholders. Theyre willing to lose 300m and shutter a company before they lose 5m. The AA industry being killed off is some of the worst shit to ever happen to games. i use my 6800xt almost to exclusively play indies and ps2 games. Playing urban reign as i type this and its fun, quick, challenging and has exactly 0 10 minute walking sections that i cant skip. I can download quite literally over 100 ps2 games for the same space as a single AAA and have 100x the fun, 200x the diversity in gameplay, nothing prodding me with advertisements to buy mtx. I will not touch anything thats on UE5 because until proven otherwise, i assume it just runs like fucking shit and tim is an absolute cancer on gaming in general so much so that i dont even want to pirate the shit. Until it stops raping resources and transparencies like fences and hair stop looking like razorwire im not interested. Ive also noticed that there are no hidden loading screens via walk and talk sections or riding elevators. All of the loading screens i see are lightning fast but when you hide them through animations/waiting sections, they are perma-locked to however long that takes rather than letting tech get better and loading times lessen. There are enough good games via indie and emulation that i could never buy a AAA game again in my life and be happy. The last game that i bought at full price was elden ring and to this day i still regret it.
>>109056033Yeah it's honestly wild that Adreno can play OG Xbox games on the go something that was deemed impossible on PC like a decade ago
>>109055610Modern games are all Vaseline smeared slop anyway.
>>109056290Why would you do that when it already runs BSD and has much better compatability than it>>109056322Sony's BSD is much more optimized and performant than stitched together troonix that won't let you play multiplayer
>>109056314No, you just like mindlessly supporting corporations and everything they do.Don't lie to yourself.
>>109056636I accept your concession, sony boy
>>109056517don't forget the gorillion of doom wads out there to play, for FREE!
A 5080 and video game piracy being back cured my concerns
bought a 3090 to upgrade my 1080 ti and then it came to me as i was loading up pcsx2literally why even bother with new games
>>109055638Nope, better tech lets graphics programmers use less efficient and better looking methods to render a scene. In the beginning of 3d gaming, all the lighting was just Gouraud-shading with a circular dot decal underneath the player, representing a shadow. Then we got shadow maps, stencil shadows, SSAO, Global illumination and raytracing and path tracing. Gaming is literally the main motivation to develop better computer technology. It is that important
I realised this last time I upgraded my gpu from an rx570 to an rx6600 xt then didn't end up playing a single game that required it
>>109055610If anything, it got me more interested. I think PCs/GPUs are a good investment when you consider how bad consoles are becoming. I only upgraded to 'future-proof' my system because I don't see prices coming down if ever.
>>109055610I got a 3090 last year and it can do everything I want. I guess if you make money using your pc then you might want the newest thing, but I also came up from a 1080 ti, purely for WAN/CUI.
the modern era of hardware feels kind of soullessi bought 50 series, but the 30 series was peak
You should have buyderized a blackwell 6000 by now.
Are there any real mid-end GPUs these days? Whenever I look around it feels like everything is either bargain bin garbage or $1000+ and nothing in between. I just want a ~$250 slopcard that can handle a little bit of occasional, not intensive gaming.
>>109057940mid range is ps5 aka 6700xt/7700xt/9060xt.
>>109057940are 1080tis still like ~150? Just get one of those if you don't play anything modern. Feels like the last gpu before everything went weird.
>>109055610A lil yeah
>>109055610Then just buy a 1080 and shut your faggot mouth and stop complaining
>>109058277Yeah when i was researching to get a new pc last november, i was initially gonna get a 1080ti for like 100-120 on ebay and use that to tide me over for a year or so. I was coming from a regular 2013 integrated graphics laptop so would have been more than enough of a leap for mewell that went up to "might as well get the 2080" and then "maybe i should get the 3070" and i ended up getting a 9070xt (was on sale though)looks like 1080ti is like 150-190 now
>>109055610stopped caring about the "gayming industry" more than a decade ago.old and indie games are so good and so plentiful.life is great.
>>109055610Not really, i just know that there's enough games for three lifetimes that run on a fucking optiplex, so i don't care about high end anything.
>>109058394>>109058428Ok samefag luddite grampa, enjoy your 420potato shit while we advance technology and science and you are discarded,this is evolution and this does good for the betterment of society Also, ur an incel
>>109055610if i can emulate ultrawide totk at 1440p60, i'm happygpus might be boring, but cpus are amazing nowadays
>>109058439ASIC will eat the lunch of the GPUs on that, if actual biological brains in a box don't.
PC gaming has felt increasingly watered down for nearly a decadeSeems like lots of people switched around the end of the 360/ps3 gen and it never really recovered. But it's fine, you can play anything you want, I don't touch these new titles because they're all just seemingly terrible.
>>109055610If it won’t run at 60 FPS on my RTX3060ti then I just don’t play it. I take that back. I play fully modded Fallout NV and Skyrim and they stutter like shit but that’s not my GPU/CPU that’s just normal Bethesda.
>>109058439you keep being a good little consumer, thinking it advances technology and science, lol.
>>109056670I'm sorry but you're just projecting and I'm not going to indulge whatever trauma you want to dump.
>>109055610no, I got a battlemage.
>>109055610I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking of selling my computer components and just pick up a regular laptop and install Linux on it instead.
>>109055610The reason I don't play video games anymore is because I have hobbies like sucking multiple dicks in a row and swallow too much cum
>>109055610gimme baked lighting and more NPCs.
>>109059416but anon baked lighting would be 500gb just in itself and take 6 years to render one room for some reason. You WILL enjoy raytracing, nanite, lumen, ghosting, and noisy artifacts
>>109058870 s..stop trying to make gamers jealous. i..it's not going to work.
>>109057325are you a kid watched a single video about rendering
>>109055610i got a mister
>>109055610Meh. Play older games. Your existing GPU will work fine and the games will often look better too.
>>109058468it's your memory. dial your ram.
>>109055610fuck (you) on about OP? I could get an RX 9070 XT right now for $743.50, an RX 6950 XT for $494.01, and a few select models of RTX 5070 TI for about $760.02its the ram kits and SSDs are the real wallet buster rn
>>109055610i got my MSI Aegis with 4060 and 32GB RAM juuuust before the AI shit started. i use it exclusively for drawing on huge canvases in krita and rendering furry porn in blender. i'm not really good at either, so i don't feel the need to upgrade unless i want to start doing complex scenes made by other people and rendering them at home.the idea of playing video games on the same device i keep all of my personal info and private content on never sat right with me. not only is it hard to find games on linux, but i don't want to use some sort of junky third party marketplace app like epic games on my hard drive taking up space. a lot of vidya have 100s of GB in size and i only have 1TB on my main drive. i'd much rather have a shitty little xbox on HMDI2 that i can switch over to and play star trek online once a week.
how come no games have ragdolls like gta 4?
>>109057325There are non-gaming realtime 3D visualizations too but I mostly agree. People who say shit like "graphics peaked" have nfi what they're talking about.
>>109062187It didn't peaked, but it looks stuck at the moment."Doing it for real" didn't improved graphics that much.We probably need to toss a few billions in developing better material representation.
>>109062187yes there's been incredible progress with graphics, my main gripe is that it's been pretty much the only area where there was progress and all the other systems are sometimes simpler than games from the 90s. like in 2008 you had GTA IV that had self balancing npcs, that stumbled pretty realistically; or in the same year you had star wars force unleashed that had the same npc balancing system but also something called DMM that made objects bend and crack realistically depending on their material, including metals. that was possible in 2005 PS3 hardware but since then there has been nothing like it.
Modern gayming isn't that interesting for me anymore, sure gothic remake looks interesting but I don't have urges to consume new media like years ago, I rather play metroidvanias or emulate games from N64, PS1 or Saturn.I own 3060 12gb so it's not much either
>>109055610No, shit games turned ppl off from gaming
>make a move to raytracing>kneecap it by letting epic use software raytracing on the most used game engine of recent times>the dedicated raytracing hardware goes unused because of AMD and consoles>industry lets it go so bad epic has to backtrack and focus on hardwarethen the cherry on top>both major GPU manufacturers are now making graphics cards for AI PCsIt's worth mentioning Njudea considers any card with 12GB VRAM or under low tier. You're not expected to play anything well on them.
>>109058542mindless corporate bootlicker strikes again
