Simply use a NIC for which MINIX has no drivers. Easy peasy.
You fundamentally misunderstand what the ME does
>>109056681The backdoor part, what's it called? AMT?I understand exactly what it does, it provides a government backdoor. If it didn't, there would be no use for the HA bit which deactivates it.The thing is, YOU don't really understand how it works, it needs a driver or some memory mapped (magic number?) somewhere, and the onboard MINIX isn't big enough to have 'em all.
>>109056641I took apart a PSP a while back and the Intel wifi chip had the star of David on it. The fucking Jews are everywhere
>>109056706It is very likely that there are exactly 0 drivers on minix OS, it simply proxies everything through the host. Plus NICs are just as backdoored if not more.So what you should really do is use some hardware where that spyware tech was far from modern sophistication. MB without ME, CPU without microcode faggotry (modern ones can have rootkits in their microcode), don't forget to do a fresh BIOS flash through SPI. And still no guarantee that NIC is not backdoored.
>>109056798Did they use jewish screws too?
>>109056798Where ?
>>109056853>it simply proxies everything through the host.Yeah... it needs a way to talk to the NIC, or Intel AMT needs to be secretly supported by the host's OS.It needs a driver and it probably only has drivers for a limited set of modern-ish NICs.This is some mid-tier blablabla.
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>>109058089lmao what
>>109056915sorry i'm an oldfag when i see PSP I think playstation portable, wdym by PSP
>>109056641i read somewhen that an usb nic already mitigates most. something to do with it being usb, no idea.
>>109059523Probably it depends on the NIC hanging on the end of the USB connector these days. With old USB, maybe it was more sure.
>>109056641the thing about hardware backdoors is that they're unavoidable, and we probably aren't even aware of all of them yet.but it's infinitely easier to get a warrant to wiretap a person's text/email, or ask google to hand over access to your cloud library. the glowies are just as lazy as anyone else, they won't directly access your computer unless they take it from you in a raid. use linux, avoid the cloud, use an adblocker, do the usual health and sanitation stuff and you've just made the glownigger's job a lot harder.
>>109056706if your OS is backdoored (we must assume even Linux and BSD are) then Minix can simply hijack your CPU with SMM and inject bits directly into DMA.secondly, why do think we get microcode updates so often? the CPU itself is the problem, not the NIC. Even removing ME doesn't remove Minix, it just makes the exploit chain more difficult for 3letters
>>109059601protecting yourself against 3letters is such a hard concept for people to grasp: you'll never be 100% glowproof, but there's plenty of steps you can take to make it more difficult for them. they could theoretically take your PC apart and analyze individual flash cells, but they won't do that unless you're hiding something very very important. it's a matter of cost/effort.
>>109058089Thats the 'special ingredient' version for the Lebanese market. I'd put that down and retreat backwards, quickly.
>>109059644it's much better to simply start building open hardware yourself that's auditable and generally tamper resistantanything proprietary, by default, isn't safe. the market for privacy is disgustingly small. it's intelligent engineers who knows that what can be exploited will be exploited, some intelligence agency people and criminals. so this hardware rarely if ever gets built, even if normies wouldn't know the difference if their hardware could be checked for backdoorsmy theory is that anybody who ends up pushing open hardware ends up getting hired by force or killed by government agents, I already know of one person that disappeared from my life and now works for Bechtel that was previously a privacy+FSF zealot. I refuse to believe that such a heel turn is just something that happens to people once they hit the age of 40
>>109059665ultimately, any private tech company that manufactures parts in a five-eyes country or has an owner who lives in america is vulnerable to getting a warrant for wiretapping/backdooring, anyone who doesn't comply is arrested for "obstructing justice", and manufacturing parts in some asian communist hellhole is likely to have the same issues.the best solution is to provide a product that's inherently tamper-proof, like you said. or at the very least, is designed so that spyware is detectable when implemented, since corporations can't warn users they're being watched.
>>109059046That's exactly what I mean. It's a wifi chip from a Playstation Portable 1001. I needed to swap mine out cause it couldn't read memory sticks which is all on the same daughter board
>>109056681He's been making this thread for like a decade straight, have fun trying to convince him he's wrong.
>>109056641Why wouldn’t you just block at the router
>>109058089i can just make out a 4 in the image. QC i guess. probably assembled in israel using japanese parts and shipped back to japan or wherever to be assembled into a complete system. similar reason the japs moved manufacturing to china. far cheaper outside of japan than inside.
>>109056641mini might work outside of ethernet anon do you remember things like 32,?MHz plugg n play connection
>>109061812what are you blocking exactly?
>>109061812I'd suggest using something like FPGA to monitor stuff (including the supposedly blocked stuff) for leaks. NICs are compromised after all. You cannot check if something is compromised with another compromised device.A couple of undocumented things end up in registers and your NIC pretends nothing happened, although it did.>>109059551This one gets it.>>109057238Whatever. Linux and bsd are backdoored, not a secret, been like that for a while. And do you need to do much when you OWN whatever happens in the CPU? More like they detect OS type, inject some shit to make OS do stuff they need.I haven't check, so you may as well call it blabla, but it makes sense to me. It would not make sense if minix had to somehow talk to NIC completely separately. How do you even do that? What about collisions with host, when it casually talks to NIC, how do you sync it?
>>109064898Isn’t the conspiracy theorist take on this that it phones home? Then surely outgoing traffic has been thoroughly documented by now and the IPs can be blocked at the firewall.
>>109065715I'm actually confused why this isn't just the thing to do by now. Shouldn't you be able to do that on mobile, too?
>>109065715>>109065836I also wonder about this.Where's the log of suspicious packets?Does the thing transmit magic invisible packets?
>>109056641Just get a level 0 bootguard laptop and disable. It only takes one pull up resisor
What level of threat actor is utilizing these serious hardware backdoors and who are they sharing the results with? They would have to be very selective about disclosure because a hardware backdoor can't be updated and they wouldn't want to burn the sploit
>>109064920Is nothing safe?
>>109065715>>109065836>>109065867>Does the thing transmit magic invisible packets?To the OS, yes.To your firewall, it should be visible. Although probably some have vurns that are exploited.It could be very obfuscated though. You can't really trust big tech servers. Can you account for what every packet is?Myself I don't think it phones home regularly. I think it's just there latently, and only used for really high value targets.Consider how powerful it can be though. Even if you run a secure open source OS, they can just check your ISP logs for what servers you communicate with (including OSS update servers, for example.). They can use that server as a proxy to get through any firewall you have and you have pretty much no chance of detecting that. If you use a VPN, just go through that server instead.>>109067235>What level of threat actor is utilizing these serious hardware backdoors and who are they sharing the results with?Probably only top-level state. The kind that you might be found having an hero-ed or your car suddenly unable to brake and speeding into a wall.>because a hardware backdoor can't be updatedIt can though.
>>109067302I have to imagine that if a "top level staye" actor uses this for surveillance, they will just put the file in front of some cop and say "we think subject is doing this, will you work with us to being this unhinged individual down" they're not going to be like>ok we got this information in a quasi-legal manner utilizing a MINIX CPU backdoor and-
There are more backdoors than the ME. Intel CPUs run a memory encrypted virtual machine in parallel with your OS. Possibly "only" when you have VT-x enabled, the documentation is intentionally vague about the specifics.
>>109067518Is it possible to avoid these backdoors in 2026? Is there a single piece of hardware without them that can run modern software?
>>109067555Flash a RISC-V softcore to an FPGA and hope the bitstream generator isn't also designed to weave backdoors into any design capable of taking them, maybe they put it in the PCI-E hardware transceivers themselves? Seems like a theoretically difficult thing to backdoor, but then again, if someone really wanted to ensure access they probably could. FPGA is still your best bet. It probably doesn't matter much unless you have glowniggers crawling up your ass but I think assuming they have persistence built into all their hardware is the most rational position. IIRC ME/PSP/TrustZone type systems are even required by law, if you don't add such a system to the design it will be supplied for you, they're so generous.
>>109067576What's the best I can do as a layman? How likely is a system running coreboot/heads with IME disabled to have some major hardware backdoor that can actually be targeted and utilized remotely? I like learning the theory behind this but I'm looking for pragmatic solutions and I don't know anything about most of what you said.
>>109067630If you have system with custom firmware and ME disabled you're better off than most. Just keep in mind the CPU is a black box to anyone but the people who saw what was etched into the rock. I had a professor who used to work in glownigger hardware, he refused to drive a car that had any kind of computer control of engine or steering.
>>109056706He's right, you a retard that has no idea what she's talking about
>>109067674What about open source CPUs like IBM Power?
>>109067576>>109067630>>109067674Have any of these hardware backdoors been demonstrated to have been used in the wild?
>>109067717How many kidneys do you wanna sell?OpenPower is the only real choice at the moment.Maybe Risc-V will get good in the future but I'm sceptical it will be for normal computer use.
>>109056641i just removed ME
>>109067783Old power chips like power9 are pretty cheap on ebay, main expensive part is mobo. I see that power11 or 10 are not fully open source though and have blobs for memory or some bullshit. Still I'm curious about how well those systems mitigate these potential concerns.
>>109060157>have fun trying to convince him he's wrongBecause he is right. Arguing that the truth is false is very hard.
>>109058089what the fuck ahahahahahahaha
>>109067242Old hardware is safe. Anything custom built is safe.Modern open source software is very dangerous, guaranteed backdoor, the more popular the more 3-letter people from different parts of the world.Modern mainstream closed source is bloated, builds a profile on you and sells it to literally everyone who pays them.Hardware is not that easy to just pozz and forget, because planting a permanent backdoor means potentially someone will find it and fuck your country and allies up.Usually hardware-lvl backdoors that grant RCE and exfiltrate data are found in modern devices with wireless adapters, they are a bunch of undocumented registers that do seemingly nothing most of the time. Found in most chink MCUs, but they borrowed the idea from 'Murricans.
>>109065715>surely outgoing traffic has been thoroughly documentedIt's encrypted, so you don't know what's going out.The only way is to block everything and only whitelist connections you're sure to trust, which would be absolutely crippling.>IPs can be blockedIPs change all the time. You cannot use them as a rule.
>>109059551This.You don't need to barricade your whole house. Just make sure you lock your windows and doors.
>>109056706>Uhh…. Goys? The HARDWARE back door needs specific software to work!!! get a load of this faggot
>>109067576Backdooring FPGA is basically impossible. The software would need full on AGI to backdoor a custom design.
>>109069466Many modern FPGAs come with hardware for the most common protocols and designers love deferring to manufacturer IP to save time.
>>109056641Intel me has built in 3g, 4g and now 5g radios built in now retard
>>109070221>in before proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmLJChgopNo>Intel to Rattner shows off and demoes Intels Moore's Law Radio - an all digital radio module able to scale with CMOS technology, thus cost and power. In addition he showed Rosepoint, an all(most)-but-not-quite digital radio module integrated onto the same die with two Atom-Dies. This has potential to be determining for Intel's future, being able to reduce power for mobile devices significantly
>>109068212>Modern open source software is very dangerousYeah, it is,Just not for the user.
>>109067235>What level of threat actor is utilizing these serious hardware backdoors and who are they sharing the results with?It's not really threat as you might imagine, it's often someone who has some knowledge they don't want to spread and has a fairly good knowledge about technology in general.
>>109070221>>109070239even AI says this is fake news
Too many retards don't understand that ME is baked into the cpu die and there's no way you can fit a "3g signal" on something smaller than your fingernail.
>>109071468intel demoed it on stage retard
>>109071477The cpu die is larger than a fingernail.
