>>109057172
Welcome home.

>>109057172
Should I hop to this from Debian/KDE? Shill it to me

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Very nice, but look at this.

>>109057172
>the most bloated corporate distro
>the most bloated corporate desktop
it tracks

>>109057223
You should try Gnome, for starters.

>>109057172
>shitty derivative of a shitty derivative of an actual distro
good job, you are profoundly retarded

>>109057242
>>109057296
Kubuntu LTS is the only sane alternative to Windows.

>>109057223
Only if you have a need for Ubuntu repos, which, if you're using Debian, most probably don't really need.

>>109057366
Fedora Kinoite

>>109057456
Too restrictive. Needing to several extra steps, to do the same thing non-atomic distros can, isn't better it's just stupid.

>>109057242
>most well supported distro
>most well supported desktop
some people actually use their pc to do things and every project under the sun is first class for ubuntu, which you would know if you werent using ur os as a wrapper for mpv tranime and trannyfox.

also most other DEs are as bloated as kde nowadays too

>>109057172
>a fork of a fork just for a preinstalled desktop environment

We really do live in an idiocracy.

Honestly I've been around and just like the Gnome design. It is actually tasteful.

I prefer Debian to Ubuntu but currently deciding for my upcoming permanent move to Linux- whether to use debian and gnome, or just embrace Ubuntu and prune it.

>>109058366
GNOME on Debian is peak. Ubuntu hates the GPL and should be shunned.

>>109058030
>most other DEs are as bloated as kde nowadays too
not xfce

>>109060703
>not xfce
dood, the days are over where xfce is lighter than GNOME or KDE, not the case anymore

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>>109057236
Very nice but that's nothing. Cinnamon, X11, no snap.

>>109057223
I wouldn't, debian's repos are actually better than ubuntus, ubuntu removes certain things from the debian repo before repackaging (e.g. flatseal), and removes other things and replaces them with snaps (e.g. firefox).
On debian you get alot of the out-of-the-box easeness of ubuntu by having packages come preconfigured properly like app armor and fwupd for firmware upgrades, etc. But without the weird nonesense ubuntu does.

That said, I'm personally not anti snaps, so if you wanted to use snaps you can easily install it in debian and use that.
I use both debian and ubuntu on machines I use daily, I'd never switch a debian machine to ubuntu, but I'd definitely do the reverse if bothered.

>>109060770
I agree that a lot of DE's are homogenizing when it comes to memory consumption, with a few exceptions like lxqt.
But I wouldn't put gnome in that group desu, gnome's shell is written in javascript, atleast half of it is. There's a reason the windows 11 desktop is slower than 10s and that's javascript.
You can compare gnome to mate to see the difference knowing that mate actually uses a lot of the gnome desktop minus the shell.

>>109061444
mate is dead

>>109057172
I used Kubuntu back on my old Asus Netbook. It was shit.

>>109061456
Sad desu, was my first DE. LXDE was my second and that died as well.
Maybe I'm cursed, should start using gnome maybe it dies next.

>>109057281
Yuck, no

>>109057281
gnome sucks

>>109060152
>Ubuntu hates the GPL and should be shunned

I'm out of touch, didn't know this.

I know Ubuntu's gnome has some extra aesthetic polish. does anyone know if that's still the case?

On a semi-related note. Why did Terry use Ubuntu, thought debian would've been more his style.

>>109062547
Not him but ubuntu is rewriting a lot of linux coreutils and tools in rust, they're using the rust craze as an excuse to write "memory-safe" alternatives.

The new rust based core utils are licensed under permissive licenses which is the real ulterior motive here, seeing how the time tested coreutils don't have any memory leakage problems and are already memory safe because they were coded properly.

>>109062588
>ubuntu is rewriting a lot of linux coreutils and tools in rust
Well that's gay.
>The new rust based core utils are licensed under permissive licenses which is the real ulterior motive here
I thought that Canonical were alright. The Ubuntu Font is a masterpiece.

I guess every company that is involved in africa is evil in some way. You just know they're upto no good basing their entire identity around unga bunga culture.

>>109057172
I use xubuntu on my shitty laptop, so it can even run at all. KDE would make it shit itself

>>109057172
>Krashes

>>109062547
Terry used Ubuntu because despite all the complaints people have of Canonical they still hands down make the absolute best desktop distros.

>>109057223
There's virtually no advantages to switching to ubuntu if you're already on debian. Ubuntu will have snaps pre-installed which you'll have to remove if you don't want them, that's pretty much it. I guess if you want newer packages you could use the interim release version of ubuntu but that shit tends to be super buggy so it's not recommended.

>>109057456
this

>>109057799
The peace of mind of hitting "system update" without ever worrying about it breaking is worth it.

>>109057172

I so utterly hate KDE. I have to install it on all workstations at work, there are maybe 200 machines. All because with Ubuntu 26.04 LTS, X11 is not supported anymore and Datalogic QM2131 barcode scanners DO NOT work anymore with gayland. Kubuntu was the only solution since Xubuntu is absolutely out of the picture.

Kubuntu feels a lot like when you use ChatGPT and don't personalize it to SHUT THE FUCK UP. Everything is so verbose and elaborate. Say what you want about GNOME but it's simple. It isn't made for people who want to rice their DE, it's a very simple DE where you open the web browser from a simple dock, you open simple settings from the same simple dock. Everything is just to-the-point entirely, no need to search for multiple settings menus, there are no gay animations to slow you down.

Fuck I hate gayland so much.

>>109063397
even today?

Debian and gnome vs Ubuntu ?

>>109063536
Actual skill issue, no wonder why gnome is tailored for retards like you.

>>109063536
Agree. Gnome is a design masterpiece. Similar to MacOs. KDE is for ex windows gaymers.

KDE isn't bad but it's for the brainy type, not the soulful or one that is aesthetically inclined.

SteamOS uses KDE for this reason. I'm sure Gaben is aware of this design choice.Gaben uses Debian on his personal machine.

I wonder what DE he uses.

>>109063631
>KDE isn't bad but it's for the brainy type, not the soulful or one that is aesthetically inclined
Very good description of the differences of the two DEs

>>109057223
GNO
I was somewhat close to switching over to Ubuntu Cinnamon and then saw that even pipewire may be forced via snap down the line. Ubuntu is just making too many retarded decisions in the last couple releases. I just started using self-compiled kernels and mesa for the gaming shit I do on Debian. I can switch over to XLibre and just cruise onwards with my current setup until official Wayland support on Cinnamon in 2027.

>>109057172
Does it fix font rendering issues?

>>109057172
why not just use debian with kde at this point?

>>109063564

Okay then you are able to tell me how to get those datalogic readers to work, right?

>>109064178
Ubuntu LTS has 15 years of support. No other desktop distro is this based. I am not going to respect your shitty distro in any way unless they do at MINIMUM the same amount of support.

>>109064352
>I am not going to respect your shitty distro in any way unless they do at MINIMUM the same amount of support.
Literally no operating system on earth other than ubuntu provides 15 years of support for free. I think redhat does something similar but only to paid corpos, otherwise the free licenses are only 12 years support.

ngl I hated the transition to snaps, but as far as kde goes it was a better experience than the buggy kde fedora spin that im using right now

>>109064434
I guess that means Ubuntu is objectively the greatest OS.

>>109064504
I wouldn't go that far, I just won't blindly hate something to the point where I deny the things they do right.
Would still choose debian over ubuntu any day.

>>109062772
>I guess every company is evil in some way.
ftfy

>>109057172
Nice. Remember to switch to v3 binaries (see release notes) and the gnu coretools if you want stability over the new rust based ones.

>>109064448
Fedora KDE is solid tho

>>109061444
anon, lxqt and plasma are both javascript too (QML)

>>109065440
How can lxqt be so lightweight if it's javascript

>>109065500
I doubt the js is in the main render loop.

>>109065400
Seconded for Fedora KDE. I might not like some decisions made by Red Hat, but once you set Fedora up you're good to go indefinitely.

>>109066893
Way too many updates with Fedora. Anons here make a big deal about Windows updating once a month, yet Fedora will have 'reboot required' updates every couple of days. Sure, you don't have to do them all, but by default it'll still nag you to.

>>109065440
A *very* stripped-down flavor of it. That and it still gets compiled ahead of time when possible (Qt Quick Compiler+qmlsc) to native code. Obviously dynamic code can't be compiled ahead of time but they aren't just shoving node inside the runtime and hoping it works (thank fucking god).

>>109057172
Just use debian

>>109066932
Sounds like a bad idea regardless

>>109066979
>shitbian
How about no

>>109064989
>Remember to switch to v3 binaries
What does that mean

>>109071436
See https://documentation.ubuntu.com/release-notes/26.04/summary-for-lts-users/#architecture-variants-and-amd64v3

By default, the binaries are built for a very generic x64 processor, so this excludes some instructions which are available in processors built within the past decade. If you're not on something ancient, it's free performance.

>>109057172
You should go back to windows and never come here again

>>109072202
Why is there a certain type of lintard who never wants his OS to actually just work? It's like a productive system is anathema to your existence.

>>109072264
My OS works just fine. My goal is keep you faggot ass windows refugees away. You're too stupid to use linux.
You don't give a shit about the philosophy of Linux, it's history or it's community.
You just want a windows replacement and you'll shit up Linux to the point it's not usable.
You're like California leftist voters who fuck up their state, move to a new state to escape, then start making demands and voting in the exact same way you did to fuck California up in the first place.

>>109063631
>KDE isn't bad but it's for the brainy type, not the soulful or one that is aesthetically inclined
Yeah but the design of GNOME is so sterile and forced onto you. You have basically zero control over it. It's not bad, it looks great; but KDE offers a more SOVLFVL experience if you know what I mean.

>>109057172
>krashes
no thanks

>>109072290
>You're too stupid to use linux.
Midwit confirmed, imagine actually thinking the OS is any sort of intelligence test. What matters is what you're able to accomplish with your computer, not artificially grandstanding as a gatekeeper.
>it's history or it's community.
KYS immediately.

>>109072323
>intelligence test.
Try installing Gentoo you worthless fucking NPC

>>109072435
I did that and freeBSD when I was 15, it's literally following a 'howto'. Try getting a PhD in Mathematics or Physics at a top school if you want an actual challenge. Or better yet, go make a billion dollars. Then you'll be impressive to me.

>>109072448
No you didn't. You're a windows tranny always have been and always will be. Dipshit

>>109072176
Doesn't look like it makes much of a difference outside of some specific intensive tasks

>>109073202
There's really no good argument for not using them, other than having an ancient processor.

>>109060810
>X11
Gross

>>109064178
Debian is inferior to Ubuntu.

>>109057172
>I've finally come home
Solid distro
>>109057223
>Should I hop to this from Debian/KDE? Shill it to me
Debian and Ubuntu are 99% compatible and if you are comfy on Debian, there is no reason to switch. I just like Ubuntu, because it comes with a firewall, apparmor, codecs and zfs support by default.

>>109075914
Why use apparmor when selinux exists?

>>109075829
Ubuntu IS Debian, moron

>>109076254
Debian wishes it could be Ubuntu.

>>109076206
>Why use apparmor when selinux exists?
Because it's total aids to setup on suse/red hat distros.

>>109076301
>Windows refugees doesn't know anything about Linux, doesn't know what Ubuntu is based on
Every.Single.Time

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Why not use the source? Debian + dwm feels comfy to me. Same config I used throughout covid too.

>>109063631
Probably KDE or XFCE. Closest to Windows UI.

>>109057223
you should hop to Fedora KDE so you don't have to deal with the base Ubuntu bloat creep while enjoying steadily improving performance with regular updates

gentoo is the most tranny OS ever. compiling everything to be "secure" every time you want to use something is akin to a man putting on makeup and wasting time and money on surgeries just to go outside

>>109075829
why, explain yourself. and Imagine that I am gaben, who uses debian on his personal machine.

>>109076996
>Fedora
Yes go to the distro supported by the very company trying to destroy desktop Linux!
Yes goy. Yeeeessssss

>>109057223
Yes, Ubuntu is replacing the unsafe GNU coreutils with memory safe versions written in Rust. It's just a more secure system, which is really important nowadays especially with AI.

>>109077875
>Rust
>Safe
Lol LMAO LMFAO ROFLMAO

>>109077875
Of all the reasons to jump to Ubuntu, that's the worst one, those tools weren't ready for release and Ubuntu shipped them anyway. In an LTS release, no less. I'd recommend reverting to the gnu coretools for a year or so until the issues are ironed out.

>>109057172
No you're not. You will get annoyed with snap being retarded and other Canonical stuff not integrating well with your ecosystem / workflow. You might even get fed up with KrashDE too (if you're smart it's Wayland you'll ditch)
>>109057223
You should hop on Devuan and embrace true stability with XFCE, MATE, LXQt(, Fluxbox) or Trinity.

Desktop: Use only Fedora KDE, Kubuntu, or OpenSuse KDE (Leap if you don't like rolling), or of course Windows.

Servers: RHEL/Alma, Ubuntu, or Suse. I'll include Windows here too as it's needed in many companies.

Everything else is a meme.

>>109078819
corporate goy.

debian for both.

Silly billy.

>>109057172
Question for smarter anons:
I want to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu but I don't see the option to "install third party codecs" in the installer. And I'm also suspecting that the Minimal Installation doesn't include them by default but I'm not sure.
What's the way to install the multimedia codecs on Kubuntu?
And also any other tips for it like hardware acceleration and such?
Thank you in advance.

>>109081814
Why are you going about it like that

>>109076916
Very cool.
For me, it's GNOME 50 on Debian Sid.

>>109058030
Ubuntu is the Windows of Linux.

>>109061479
lxqt is much more future proof as long as enthusiasm for the project stays alive. It's not tied to any specific compositor wayland or x11 and it's -qt based. That answers the two biggest snags the other desktops aren't addressing or are taking their sweet time to address
>how do we transition to wayland
>will we ever leave gtk3 or gtk2
lxqt doesn't have to worry about this. They abandoned ship long before the iceberg came into view and have kept it lightweight even on kf6 and qt6.

>>109058040
Ubuntu is its own distro and has been for a long time. It's true that it started as a Debian flavor, but that was a long time ago.

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>>109057172
congrats op, I am testing Kubuntu right now in the VM getting comfortable with docker usage on ubuntu, once i have everything figured out and comfortable with I will swap systems from windows 11 to kubuntu

also trying t figure out how to customize kde not very straightforward yet

>>109084552
So, it works? That’s a pretty big compliment.

>>109077855
>trying to destroy desktop Linux!
it's doing a good enough job of that by itself. once I finally tried GNOME with wayland after years of being on XFCE, I'm not going back to any X desktop. Apple and Windows are both using compositing window managers like wayland.
>Yes goy.
the least of three evils. I need a functioning PC at the end of the day. if BSD gets better gaming support, I have no problem switching over to that.

>>109063536
>>109063631
You people have negative levels of IQ.

>>109057172
You will still get FOMO whenever someone talks about Fedora KDE. You’ll probably just oscillate between this and that now.

I'll switch to Kubuntu when Ubuntu becomes an agentic OS. and then I'll switch back to Mint when Mint gets it

>>109083708
Im thinking of upgrading to Sid too, although I'm perfectly fine with using trixie + backports.

>>109089366
fuck is an agentic os?

>>109089468
If you're fine with Stable, then stick to that. I upgraded to fix a bug. It didn't fix it, although I found a workaround. But it did introduce another bug that wasn't on Stable. That said, having newer packages but still being on Debian is very, very nice.

>>109089509
New buzzword for AI integrated.

Fedora is the only real distro meant for actual human usage and not hobbyist tinkering on the market.

>>109089783
*removes 32-bit gaming libraries in your path*

>>109081814
they're already installed for you. you can double check by opening the KDE Software app and open the sources tab, "restricted software". there's also a checkbox to enable flathub repos, kubuntu can be fully used without opening the terminal.

>>109089817
>removes outdated attack surfaces
Based.

>>109089841
You just proved you don't know shit. That's not the reason why Fedora removed them. It's because didn't want the additional maintenance. They only care about testing the latest shit for Red Hat. If Fedora really was
>the only real distro meant for actual human usage
they would not have done this.

>>109089856
>That's not the reason why Fedora removed them.
I don't give a fuck you little twat. I'm a true consequentialist, I care about the RESULT. And Fedora brings me just that.

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>>109089890
m'schizo

>>109057223
Give Devuan a shot. It's Debian, but with cooler branding

>>109072309

But only trannies obsess over this. This is not a problem for normal people, normal people don't want to rice their DE.

>>109090774
>Takes to Debian with a wrench
>"Hey, would you like to try my new, cool OS?"

>>109089838
thank you, anon.

>>109072202
He's already using Ubuntu with KDE. This won't affect Gentoo, Gnu Guix, or Slackware so trve GNU/Linux is safe. Tbh it won't even affect Debian or Arch. Ubuntu helps as it stops Windows users from having battered wife syndrome about proprietary software and shows them Free Software can be pretty good. Either they'll stay on Ubuntu forever or they'll eventually move to something more 'advanced' or 'pure'. Linux users have always tried to preach the good word to Windosefags and get new people. Meanwhile the BSDs don't care about bringing in more people.

>>109089890
The result is less freedom of choice.

Alright, anons, just installed Kubuntu 26.04.
What now?
Any tips, tricks, suggestions?

>>109093724
switch over to v3 binaries and enable ntsync

>>109094323
Usecase?

>>109058030
>ubuntu is first class for enterprise bloatware and snap cancer

enjoy your 30 second boot times for a text editor

>>109058366
> tasteful? it's a fisher price ui for grown men who can't handle a config file

just go debian, prune ubuntu and you'll end up with debian anyway

>>109096712
>just go debian
yes
>prune ubuntu and you'll end up with debian anyway
not quite. ubuntu is increasingly incompatible with debian, e.g. replacing coreutils

I hate distrohopping, I ended up on Debian stable and haven't had the want for anything else. Mainly because updates break shit cosntantly. You get a good workflow in and BAM some update from some vibe coder comes along and wrecks your shit. No thank you. I bought a PC for it to function, not to break nonstop.

>>109096688
I use Ubuntu pro on my shitty ultrabook and it performs normally. Although I did have to install my browser outside of the built in repos because snap doesn't support profile sync daemon.

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>>109057172
See you at the shelter after you find out your husbando (Canonical) is abusive!

>>109096759
Arch is inherently unstable

>>109098064
Yeah it's unstable, but I'm not entirely sure that you're actually trying to imply that means what it is supposed to mean. All rolling release distros are inherently unstable. Stability is a product of only getting software updates that are security related.

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>>109057172
You stopped short.

>>109057172
Nice, I went back to Kubuntu recently as well. I used to like the lightweight version, MATE I think, too

>>109099977
Real talk, how is Omarchy really?

>>109100162
shit

>>109100162
It sucks because now any other OS is painful to use.

>>109072290
>bringing lefties out of nowhere
I don't like them either but holy directionschizo

>>109100806
stop calling everyone you disagree with schizo

You're not distro hopping you're desktop environment hopping.
After you realize this you will start package manger hopping.
Then you will find home.

>>109063479
how are nvidia prop. drivers done in debian/devuan? can I install an older version (before it became vibe coded trash) and not have dependency issues when updating the rest of the system?

>>109098064
WHO ARE YOU CALLING UNSTABLE? I AM NOT UNSTABLE!

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>>109057172
I started using Linux/Kubuntu for the first time in my life with a dual-boot system since im afraid to fully let go of windows and for the most part its been a pretty fucking awesome ride. No shade against other distro's, never used them, but I don't really have the time to go shopping around. It looks like there's a lot of tribalism too, which is fine, but Kubuntu has worked great for my personal needs.
>>109064989
>ty for the tip glad I came into this thread, even if I'm not expecting like major performance boosts or anything, nice to improve my shit any way I can.

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>>109057172
Real men run Kino

>>109064178
because debian on the desktop is pain and misery

>>109063549
Debian isn't in the running for Desktop, and I say this as someone that LIKES Debian.

People are having issues on KDE 6.7, meanwhile chad Kubuntu users are on stable 6.6.4

>>109107265
This.
And you can even use the backport in case you are a masochist.

>>109105366
If you're gonna go the atomic route then at least use a complete distro like Bluefin, Aurora, Bazzite, SecureBlue, etc.

I chose Mint years ago and not gonna change voluntarily.
I just browse and play games so I don't really care about features some code monkeys would need.

>>109105955
That's funny because Sid cured my distrohopping.

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>>109057172
I'm done distrohopping.

>>109108603
Said no one ever.

>>109057172
not worth it. I used it and I thought debian was the best solution but it was shit when KDE takes forever to get new updates. If you have no problem running it on dog shit hardware thats fine I guess. It just sucks when for instance kde releases a fix and kubuntu/debian takes 9yrs to update it.

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The only valid distros that cure distrohopping are Debian, Arch and Void.

>>109062588
the new "rust" terminal works amazing
the old one couldn't close a tab without crashing

the new system app security in Ubuntu 26 is fucking broken. It says experimental, so there is that

>The distro that cured your distrohopping is the most uninteresting vanilla outdated dogshit
Cool thread, OP

>>109110701
Let me know when you finally discover nix

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>Use Slackware
>Never deal with updates
>feelsgoodman.jpg

>>109112996
Let me guess, you "need" more?

>>109112996
>outdated
Nice way of saying stable. Ubuntu LTS strikes that perfect balance of stability while not being outdated.

>>109113357
By design