Why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadays? Every thread that highlights some new totalitarian overreach policy gets instantly filled with retards either defending this shit or "just use VPN" -retards, like they'll be of any help in future if the current trend of approaching to china/russia tier whitelisting continues.
>>109059853Death to people. Enslave them all.You get what you deserve.
>>109059853those kinds of people have always existed online. some of them might be glowniggers trying to get you to feel insane or give up hope, but most of them are just nihilistic retards who think that, because 3letters are so pervasive and nothing can be done to fully counteract them, then any form of common sense privacy practices are pointless. they see it as all-or-nothing, which is a reoccurring theme with people online now: you will see people refuse to learn any skill because they'll never be the best, statistically speaking.they're all crabs, or perhaps trolls who know how to trigger schizos
it's just google shills
>>109059853hey Anomalous, I use macOS btwLMAOROFLCOPTER
>>109059853Nu-/g/ stopped posting in cyberpunk threads and started posting like corpos.
>>109059853Because it's one the last places on the internet you don't need an account.So of course glowies are going to try to destroy it and spread their bullshit.
>>109059853We've done this shit for decades, the State doesn't think it's cute anymore
>>109059853These days, /g/ unironically uses and likes Windows and macOS while talking shit about Linux. It’s gotten that bad.
>>1090598531. 4Chan attracts people with autism2. People with autism hyperfocus on niche subjects and topics3. Its pointless to hyperfocus on well known societal norms and subjects since they are fully and concretely fleshed out and known well by literally everyone, hence being societal norms and subjects4. Therefore people with autism maintain obsessions with inverted/converse or obscure topics and subjects, including opinions5. Privacy and freedom are a societal norms and accepted general human values, so autists take the opposite position.Hope this helps.
>>109059961>5. Privacy and freedom are a societal norms and accepted general human values, so autists take the opposite position.No they aren't, and if anything, those somewhat on autism spectrum used to be ones defending them.
>Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity
who know who care. muh freedom gives trash handicapped apps hence people shitting on it.
Yesterday I noticed a lot of this kind of posts around the topic of denying kids' access to social media in UK. Well let me tell you: you're a kid, you do not have or deserve freedom yet. Your parents decide for you until you are 18 and capable of making your own choices. This is one of the fundamental rules of society that we have been abandoning for the last 20 years with disastrous results.Also underageb& were always kicked out of 4chan you don't even belong here and nobody wants kids here.
>>109059853This is a glowie funded website, how naive are you
>>109059853>Innovative tactics were warrentedThey have an insatiable desire for your attention so they can brainwash you into valuing the current thing.Take 15 minutes every day to stare blankly into the etherum block explorer, make them start paying tx fees to capture that inculcation opportunity
>>109059977Thanks for proving my point. Have a great day.
>>109059853>why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadaysActive shilling campaign. This is a public place, is not 2006 anymore. If you want to push a narrative, you push it here. You have all the types you mention including other more specific types.Hell, you can even see pro-Palantir golems taking a stand in favor of the survillenace state project any day of the week. Again, they prey on the mentally weak, impresionable kids in hopes of having success shaping a better global perception in service of their masters. I wonder what the fuck do they get in return.
>>109059886>they see it as all-or-nothingit works both ways. people assume that just because you accept that glowies gonna glow, understand that they have their reasons, and are being pragmatic about it, it means that you're in full agreement with what they do and are doing absolutely nothing to protect your data. i witnessed this pattern all over the previous thread:>this is the current situation>HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT YOU IGNORANT BOOTLICKERpeople get too emotional and assume too much, which makes rational discussion very difficult
>>109059995No. You are a kid, looking for a nanny state to protect you and your retarded offspring from the scary open virtual world. Are you really so unbelievably dumb to not understand that this has nothing to do with "protecting" kids? And anyone claiming that a very large part of the online culture since BBS's in the 80's and the early internet so dearly nostalgised by many here hasn't been shaped by nerdy teenagers has got his head deep up in his ass, and nothing like that creative culture can flourish in a controlled walled garden with government ID checks and constant pressure to "behave".
>"just use VPN" -retards, like they'll be of any help in futureSo, did you ever answer my question of "what do you expect me to do about it"? I asked like 4 times in the last thread, but only got screeching in return. I'm guessing you made this thread purely to continue screeching, hmm?riveting
>>109060006Fuck your crypto scam bullshit
>>109060000>those digits
>>109059853chat, today we do a little trolling
>>109060000Quads of truth
>>109060083i don't think anything the glowies do is ever justified. we don't need intelligence agencies anymore, they're not even loyal to the US: just look at operation northwoods. i would rather we have a 9/11 every 30 years or so than have to deal with the paranoia of wondering if my emails about my daily routine are being read by an organization that disappears and tortures people.but i understand where you're coming from: the intelligence agencies exist for a reason, and they do what they do for a reason.
>>109060200the US can certainly afford to lose an intelligence agency or two.
>>109060090i'm not sure that's what anon is trying to say. he could be saying that we don't need the government to do something we've been doing by ourselves, but it's unclear.
There's a very loud minority of rage baiters who advocate for bad things on purpose to get a reaction. They're extremely good at it, too. They're honestly very creative. This happens on every board.
Shill operation as we speak.>>109056505>>109057381
>>109059911and that's a good thing.
>>109059853Part of the global attention span decline symptomsCalling your values shit is the most basic of baits, easy (You)s with low effort
>>109060200>i would rather we have a 9/11 every 30 years or so than have to deal with the paranoia of wondering if my emails about my daily routine are being read by an organization that disappears and tortures people.what, and have them justify even greater measures? that gives them what they want. violence is a massive factor that drives societal restrictions
>>109059977>No they aren't, and if anything, those somewhat on autism spectrum used to be ones defending them.plenty of autists do defend privacy
>>109059921not using an account does reduce footprint somewhat but it doesn't really prove much. you can be anonymous to other users but still not really anonymous to the site itself. ideally you would have both, but that isn't really practical
>>109060595Very well crafted post, Anon.>just give them what they wantvs>they take MORE of what they want AND bad things happenLet's make submitting to authoritarianism the logical choice in this dichotomy. Let's also suggest that "violence" is an inevitable outcome in the absence of surveilance, but let's not consider the fundamental underlying causes of the "violence".
>>109060608pretty sure you can buy a pass using crypto and use Tor, which would make you fairly anonymous to the site. there's also proxy/frontend sites.
>>109060599The hacker culture has been literally castrated and many have been recruited to glowie jobs to help build this shit.
>>109060746well what choices are there? some things just really can't be helped.
>>109060790Sure - but that's an entirely different point. You were trying to make Anon seem like an idiot by claiming that his anti-surveillance stance counter-intuitively results in even more of what he doesn't want. Don't try to put a spin things and then try to weasel out of it when it gets thrown back in your face.
>>109060200>"absence of technocrat glowniggers creates terrorism"literally what is this faggot tree? if it wasn't for the cia using milnet...
I too wonder where this privacy freedom loving people are, I made and shared communication tool here that checked all the good stuff (not vibecoded, end to end encrypted, no registration/login, voice support, channels) and got pretty much 0 GitHub stars. Well, world is what you make of it, just don't complain afterwards..
>>109061029>you got more than 0 stars for advertising a freeware communications github and are in fact complaining afterwardskekaroo
>>109059853>Why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadays?glowniggers aren't just a meme. https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/>Given the limitations of traditional tools, more out-of-the-box tactics should be considered. One such tactic would aim at gradually making these boards less interesting for their users.>One way to achieve this would be to regularly post content that looks genuine (using the right language, imagery, etc.) yet is meaningless – this would dilute the message of these boards and make their threads uninteresting, thereby reducing their attractiveness and sense of community.>Recent developments in artificial intelligence enabling researchers to automatically generate credible extremist sentences make such a tactic cheap and easy to implement.
>>109061061daily reminder mootykins left 4chins to wage at google
>>109061078what is the legality of creating a database (hosted in a non five eyes country, of course) of glowniggers names, photos, home address, etc?
>>109061046Are you trying to make any deeper point with your post or was the point to simply express amusement? (Don't answer if you don't want)
>>109061109buy a server in chad and all they can do is block access country by country.>>109061121no i just think bitching about it is fake and gay. i put a ~500k line art project python wrapper up on github and posted it everywhere and got 1-2 stars. totally normal.
>>109059853Awww you got so mad from my replies that you made a thread? Sorry for the truth nuke. The disgusting reality about surveillance is that it was designed from the ground up to be integrated into everything. Reduction of this via our various technical methods is GOOD and can be done. But doing so to the schizo level many do here just makes you a more obvious target. Instead of being yet another grey Honda civic, you’re a red shiny Mazda used by way less people. You blend in less, thus are much easier to pull out of a group. There is sincerely a balance here. Anyone who mentions this nuance is immediately called Jewish or black or trans though because /g/ is filled with people who don’t understand technology and are third worlders.
>>109059853>why do pro government bots on a government honeypot argue in favour of more surveillance and less freedom?Truly a mystery for the ages.
>>109061177schizo-kun, authoritarianism is a legitimate counterargument to unchecked anarchy. 110% of the posters here are fub lolicons and opportunistic blackhats. the real bots/miscreants i've seen on this site just make people miserable for expressing opinions or using the site normally.
>>109061200>opportunistic blackhatsuse case for playing fair with judeo-indian tech companies?
>>109061200>spastic government shill immediately proceeds to give another demonstration of incoherent manic ramblings only designed to sound intelligent while saying less than nothing
>>109061208>>109061218>t. anti-accelerationism bots
>>109061134Ah okay I see; sharing your experiences is bitching and chat software can be compared with art software
>>109061240>designated bitching thread moar bitching for the bitching gods
>>109059853because resistance requires effort and inconvenience
>>109059853because turd-worlder don't care about privacy.
>>109061029Gonna be honest the first trike is thinking we need yet another discord clone, strike two is using github for a privacy tool.>but all the other kids do it!Can't believe I have to bring this one out but if everyone start committing suicide do you too just because all the cool kids do it?The problem with wanting to attract people that give a shit is you can't compromise or go half way because at best we'll view it as a retard that has no idea what he's doing thus his software is shit, or at worst just another larp.
>>109061078You skipped the part where moot got schlopped in by older jewish men on that island.
>>109061320Wordburger
>>109061029I want to make something that is really simple like this. Front end webpage with a simple form field and button. Accessible via all VPNs and TOR. Also an API page for users to use it programmatically or with curl.
>>109061320Discord is none of those things nona described
>>109059961This is so incoherent with reality, is this the mythical high quality bait?
>>109061483Calling things you don't like false doesn't actually make them untrue. Just letting you know that.
>>109061487autism and oppositional defiant disorder are conflated by evil psychiatrists who stick you with dumbum juice
>>109061495Sure is a good thing that oppositional defiant disorder was mentioned by literally nobody and is an obvious stawman that you just pulled out of nowhere. Go back to the orange robot site with your absolute garbage fallacious arguments and appeals to authority
>>109061514point #4 is vaguely implied ODD and point #5 is extremely implicit if not explicit ODD. your emotional response is telling ma'am
>>109061522I'm glad we agree nobody mentioned it. Didn't read the rest of your post. Sorry you have literally no argument and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
>>109061527i don't always trigger projecting delusional faggots, but when i do, it's frequently by bringing up conduct disorder tier mental illness.
>>109061534No idea why you're still replying. I didn't read your post and I won't read subsequent posts. The discussion is over. You can keep arguing over nothing if you want (ODD/Autism?) -. But I won't see them because I'm going to hide your posts and replies since I just don't have time for your nonsense.You should probably ask why I could respond in under a minute with this post. It's because I had it right out of the bat because I knew you would keep responding, ince your mannerisms and behavior are so utterly predictable based on the content,
I've hidden his posts and replies, but watch this. He's going to reply again with some terrible attempt at a witty run-up, which I'm not even going to see.
>>109061418It's another all in one communication platform. None of the features are unique, I mentioned discord specifically because that is the fucking point. Based on that description he could be talking about literally EVERY discord competitor and chat platform because they all have channels, voice support in one form or another, e2ee. The only halfway unique thing is no login/registration and that's been done to death before too.
>>109061148It really depends on what you're trying to hide and from whom. For example, not having any social media presence or streaming service accounts means you're probably not leaving as many traces of your existence online, but it also might make you stand out more as an individual, since this is not generally considered to be normal behaviour.
>>109061742But...Discord is not e2e encrypted and like you elluded too, it does require registration/login. Those are two big distinctions. Also many of the done to deaf ones out there no longer exist. And unless someone has a completely new concept from scratch, the only way to make new is to build on top of what exists.
>>109061907Found the phoneposter
>>109059853reddit trannies got their orders, the commies follow what the media says, the media follows what the leftist communist says.
>>109061949Explain significance and/or relevance of your find in a coherent sentence.
I think people feel like they have lost the fight for privacy. The 4th amendment has become a joke. There's no nation on the planet that cares about its citizens privacy rights anymore. The data is just too tempting for them.
>>109062035https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Phoneposting
>>109062035Explain why I should in a coherent sentence you didn't speak into your phone
>>109059853and what is anonymous doing against the masons pushing digital id?
I phoneposted
>>109062177Cheering it on with dumb midwit copes.
>>109062177Run by Biden admin FBI agents who are tranny communists
>>109061907>Those are two big distinctions.Compared to Discord? Yes.Compared to Discord alternatives? No.You're never going to get people using discord to move over and anyone not using discord is most likely already using one of the alternatives that are all more or less indistinguishable from each other.
>>109060144No token, no cuts, just gasLive at dappcon tomorrow https://vibes.dappcon.io/?view=events&event=protecting-digital-public-spaces-in-the-age-of-the-ai-botnet
>>109061487It actually does, everything is an opinion and malleable but so far as I know the idea that privacy is a generally agreed upon value doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of historical scrutiny. The pop psychology myth that autists gravitate towards obscure topics and contrarian positions is also easily falsifiable given the most common, stereotypical interest people on the spectrum do actually participate in.
>>109062766Sorry I didn't read past the first three words of your post. No idea why you even typed all of that.
>>109062766>so far as I knowProjecting your view onto the rest of humanity is a defining trait of autism.>the idea that privacy is a generally agreed upon value doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of historical scrutiny. You're absolutely right. Historically, everyone has been perfectly fine with people reading their personal diaries, watching them have sex with their spouse, and nobody has ever closed their drapes on their windows. These are all things that very few people want or do. Truly.
>>109062766A=A Is the tautology and an objectively true statement, all language and mathematics breaks to whailing moans bereft of information and ripe of malignant faith if one considers the tautology an opinion.Privacy is the ability to define your persons, create your own identity, wear and fashion your own mask. Its the difference between being branded and telling people your name. Identities are stories and fantasies, not tautologies so none of them are real, but we play along with each others identities knowing this to be reality, which is why invading someones privacy is a dick move. No one is obligated to wear their masks in private, truth is stranger than fiction, you wont get any closer to that persons true form spying on them, youll only add noise to your signal and confirm your prejustice
>>109062818>>109062837>>109062864Apparently is the same thing as:>>109061540No discernable substance to it's words
>>109060006still using discord I see
>>109062993Nostrs flotilla is running in parallel if your cool woth that
>>109062289> You're never going to get people using discord to move overWhy would anyone want that?
These people and people who use goyslop software and media are the ones who ruined the board (and jeets, obviously). Most people here are too terminally online and addicted to social media (wonder why so many twitter screencaps)
>>109062063> not a coherent sentence>>109062166> not an explanationHoly fuck these posters are dumb af.
>>109063021Maybe I'll make a nostr finally. Hope they record your talk can I can watch it, not in Berlin.
>>109063122Thanks anon, suredly ill post it here if they do
>>109059886>they see it as all-or-nothingit isOne little slip up and they know who you are and have everything one day your vpn loads a millisecond too late they have your ip and it's all over
>>109063117Sorry you're so upset
Yeah it's always this defeatist cuck mentality with a touch of shilling for a bandaid product "just get a vpn bro"
>>109059853It’s bad for the children
>>109059853>He tried warning us, 25 years ago.https://youtu.be/C31XYgr8gp0?t=160
internet is a privilage, not a right.i hope that in the future you're required to provide your ID and fingerprint to browse the internet.oh and make it 25+ years of age only
>>109063778 herei'm also trans btw
>>109059881Hey Bill, how is your farming business?
>>109060083>people assume too much>assumes4cuks will never change
>>109063733putting pedophiles and psychopaths what, bitch ass hoe. speak american on this website after you turn 18.
because of (proto) election tourists, /pol/yps, and other cancer that arrived here during the mid 2010s in a giant Kanagawa wave tsunami of faggotry, outnumbering those who came before. Add to this social media adherents, discord trannies, puriteens and others who came here without the same oldfag hacker ideology that created and brought like minded anons to this place, adding another layer of filth. This wasn't the only issue, but it was a considerable amount of inertia in the wrong goddamn direction. This doesn't mean you should give up, but it is discouraging to have to re-litigate battles that we not only already fought and won, but used to be far more unified around instead of being willing to have to show the inside of your colon to some Meta-backed verifier because brain damage tells them that its going to piss the trannies, or chuds or whomever the fuck off so it must be worth it. Now more than ever we need old Anon back, but until people realize that part of being the >Final Boss of the Internet means actually standing up to oppose threats to it without first looking to whatever youtuber "your side" issues your viewpoints to see if its okay, its going to be slow going.,
>>109064017>weedle wee need le anonz back!!1! they don't want to come back fuckhard. everyone who left this crab bucket for good is 100% better off for it, i guarantee you. coming here in current year is a fucking charity for the poor, gracing you with my shitposts. the behavior on this website and other anonymous imageboards that i've witnessed in 15yrs+ has empirically proven to me that the idea of "trve freedums" is as retarded as marxism-leninism
>>109059853Winjeets and iToddlers coping, the usual.
>>109063157Qubes OS protects you from this.
>yes guise i will change my os now...>yes.... i suddenly changed my views.... >wow i am so much smarter on Piss OS
>>109060608Trust me, I am anonymous here. IYKYK and I am ITK.>>109060759This poster is also ITK.
>EFG image>too retarded to know when the obvious baiting retards are obviously baiting for the attention they keep getting from you newfags
>>109064072I see your deleted post, and you should be ashamed.
>>109064146>get total control over everything in a tiny universe but the tradeoff is that you have to manually think about and do things that are automatic for normal people
>Why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadays?Literally because /pol/ exists.
>>109064043>Don't forget, you're here forever!Many never left, they're just drowning in the tide of effluvia that is what came after. Not to mention that fucking off doesn't make you immune to increasingly censorious bullshit and proprietary lockdown everywhere cloaked in data miner 4-da-children excuses. 15 years barely puts you on the tail end of the good days, but that shit doesn't even matter as much. I'd rather have a newfag discovering the place this fucking year who came here out of the same ideals and acting the same ways as those who arrived in the 2000s, rather than someone who's been here for years but showed up because some youtuber told them we can say nigger here therefore we're based and trumpilled , yet ignores that we're still seeing increased lockdown and censorious bullshit in ways that only benefit oligarchs. >trve freedums" vs marxism-leninism r both teh stupid, I r above it all, based contrarian Framing it like this is direction brained nonsense, even if you pat yourself on the back for pretending to be above it all by calling it all shit. In the old days Anon had central ideas about the Internet freedom, anonymity, privacy, and all the other old hacker ethos that were defended in myriad ways (many lulz inducing), to make things less shit, call attention to those making it worse, and at least try to push for some changes rather than infighting over nothing with no benefit. Over the past decade and a half the powers that be have convinced people to infight over inane bullshit and dumped a whole prefab assortment of these screaming tards onto the board, outnumbering those who came here not just in the old days, but for the old ways. That is what we need to reverse. Otherwise, it just means fucking off and watching shit get worse. Its not going to stop - the Internet will get even more proprietary, centralized, oligarch driven and worse - or we can try and do something about it
>>109064170>le /pol/ boogieman
>>109064244Did daddy Epstein feed you that talking point too?
>>109064251Raped as a child mindsetI pity you troons.
>>109064200>Not to mention that fucking off doesn't make you immune to increasingly censorious bullshit and proprietary lockdown everywhere cloaked in data miner 4-da-children excuses. don't care, i already got called a kike to be gassed itt. i will enjoy my corporate walled gardens based on the corporation/s who advertise values i marginally or maximally agree with. >15 years barely puts you on the tail end of the good days, but that shit doesn't even matter as much.i came right after chanology as an underageb&. saw anons on the street and thought it was le cool. >I'd rather have a newfag discovering the place this fucking year who came here out of the same idealsthis will never happen because "newfags" aka underageb&s (because everyone of age has already formed an opinion of this place) are either put off by the shit here or only drawn to the most terrible, visceral parts of it. underageb&s in 2026 are children of tung sahur and just old enough to remember fnaf. they have no business here, just like the migatards. >In the old days Anon had central ideas about the Internet freedom, anonymity, privacy, and all the other old hacker ethos that were defended in myriad waysthose are called "tried and failed" strats, we're not a fucking protest group, when we have good ideas we do "operations" and sheeit but we don't do the same thing twice or align with normalfaggots. the last internet freedumbs was completely made up of normalfags and boomers, anon sat on its ass for basically every country's movement. >Over the past decade and a half the powers that be have convinced people to infight over inane bullshit and dumped a whole prefab assortment of these screaming tards onto the boardno, you're blaming tptb for society declining when it's a state of "elite overproduction" of luxury and technology to satisfy an increasingly retarded society. read turchin.
>>109064277>grooming victim keeps projectingSad. Many such cases.
>>109059853this board is 80 percent zoomers and bots nowadays thats why its gone to shit
>>109059853Astroturfing psyop, i.e. the usual
>>109064017Sorry to tell you this but you're asking for something far beyond a biblical miracle. The times and culture made the people, not the other way around, and neither will ever come back.The golden age internet of the 90s/2000s and very early 2010s was a once in humanities lifetime type deal.And putting your hope on a revival of anonymous when almost all of the actual oldfags sold out to become youtube story tellers about how le anomalous worked, and I have yet to see a single of those videos that wasn't full of fucking made up bullshit you could disprove with a three second search if you really gave a shit.
>>109064280>i came right after chanology as an underageb&. saw anons on the street and thought it was le cool. ah, the original cancer
>>109059995But you are old enough to decide if you take the Coronavirus vaccine at 16-18 and they were considering allowing nearly children of all ages to make that decision themselves or making it look like that despite seemly some who got the vaccine were getting medical issues.
>>109061061anonymous posting was never capable of scaling, a pseudonymous system where users have a handle would have been better, where you can separate between people, and when some new account starts shitposting or shilling some bs you can ban it, or if some old account started suddenly being retarded you know it's an agent, or someone mkultra'd. I'm not advocating for plebbit-like cabal and hivemind, but in a group you always need to know "who said what" to carry a conversation, here we're just posting related posts.>https://web.archive.org/web/20050509012242/http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
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>>109061148>People who disagree with me call me Jewish or black or trans>they must be Jewish or black or trans
>>109063107it feels like 4chan just became a place where contrarians cam take $CURRENT_THING from mainstream media and discuss it here so they can say nigger faggot.
>>109065270It’s almost like projection is real… huh?>>109061857Agreed.
>>109065256>I'm not advocating for plebbit-like cabal and hivemind, but in a group you always need to know "who said what" to carry a conversation, here we're just posting related posts.this can actually be analyzed topologically wherein the boundary condition (rules of engagement) regulates the stability of the manifold (the conversational structure). the space between any 2 points can be turned into a metric space. with persistent homology, you can turn the metric space into clusters, loops, voids, etc. on an imageboard, the manifold is constantly reborn, while on plebbit the manifold just expands indefinitely. an imageboard topological node structure can withstand removal of key nodes, while a username/identity based structure collapses when key nodes fall out of the structure. this difference also isolates the mechanism by which ideas take off anonymously here in short-lived bursts rather than entrenching and circling.
>>109064017>Now more than ever we need old Anon backI don't think you ever get that on neo-4chan, because I'm 100% sure this place is a target for government agencies for their brainwashing programs, because when I use altchans you can feel that "old anon" culture, even with plenty of /pol/ retardation and shitposters slipping in. /pol/ was created by Epstein, and his woman was moderating reddit.>>109064200Then what should we do oldfag-senpai? There's nothing that can prevent this cycle of Enshitification except if we change the system /our/ community operates on, maybe >>109065256>>109064833Those people that were in the good time are still here, or similar others, just outnumbered by jews, troons, migatards, jeets, phonefags, normalfags et al, because in ye olden days to be in the internet you had to bypass many filters that ensured you were of that culture that was the same from the first days of the hacker culture. But now the internet is just an extension of the retarded modern world, in contrast with the past when it was an escape of it. One thing you can do is educate newfags about the hacker/anonymous culture, many of them have nostalgia for it.
>>109061148>Reduction of this via our various technical methods is GOOD and can be done. Without sounding too obvious, like what?>>109061857But what if I genuinely just don't want to use those platforms for various other reasons?
>>109062766>The pop psychology myth that autists gravitate towards obscure topics and contrarian positions is also easily falsifiable given the most common, stereotypical interest people on the spectrum do actually participate in.My question would be, how much of that is environmental and based on visibility? Because certainly there's plenty of autists who have a very strict set of interests, but there's also plenty who are more nuanced and outside of that. I just think the former tends to dominate the discussion
>>109065537>like what?I think using Firefox and stripping out SOME of the slop is really great without absolutely raping yourself. Once Linux becomes more popular I also think that’d be perfectly fine. Using non Google alternatives is fine. Using Mullvad is fine. I think things like this are small enough to be inconsequential to your total experience and identifier but still impactful enough to allow you some additional headroom on privacy.Largest change I’d suggest ANYONE make is ridding yourself of Google based cloud storage. Apple is for most uses perfectly private if you like their ecosystem and their faggot ass prices.
>>109065588>de-google, de-accelno.
>>109063902yeah, but you also assumed that i assumed that he assumed that people assumed too much, so really, you are just as much of a hypocrite, fren
>>109059853Sup
>>109065537>But what if I genuinely just don't want to use those platforms for various other reasons?I don't know, you tell me. Why would anyone have to care about the fact you don't use them?
>>109062289Hey I'm the guy that stated the simple fact about getting 0 stars. I think you are not getting my main point, my point was this this place is a joke with people full of shit on it. (OP wondered if he is alone in his thoughts ). This thread with pointless arguing proves that, If you had any common sense you would support each other projects shared here out of pure principle, to entrench your position against tech companies while there is (was) still time. Communication tools are one of the easiest things to code , even with voice support, yet I'm only one of few people on this planet that have done so. What does this tell you?
>>109059961Probably the most retarded post I've seen all month.
>>109068105>Hey I'm the guy that stated the simple fact about getting 0 stars>my point was this this place is a joke with people full of shit on it.>This thread with pointless arguing proves that>Communication tools are one of the easiest things to code>yet I'm only one of few people on this planet that have done so.>What does this tell you?i'm going to jerk off on your dog you illiterate, self-aggrandizing tourist
>>109059853You're replying to bots/indians purposely making contrarian points (even in this very thread) for engagement and for destroying any spoil left of the original culture: https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/You're 15 years late for having any serious discussion here, pick an altchan an at least try to post also there if you're unable to completely leave this place.>t. A newfag from 2007
>>109069959>i've been here for 20 years and i still think the poor quality posting is about getting you to engage rather than about getting you to leave lol you even posted MtC which is about getting niggas to leave
>>109059853>Why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadays?they're called zoomers
>>109059853>Why is this board filled with mass surveillance and anti-freedom apologists nowadays?They're AI bots.
>>109070001dehumanizing people who disagree with you is midwit
>>109069973Nigger, it's about replacing the culture before having it passed on new users, and it fucking worked. The place is filled with drooling retards that don't have any idea of how things were that use this place for venomous contentious without rime or reason, something that works for site (as Hiro did running to the ground 2ch the same way) inflating boards activity enough to get this relic of the past afloat with advertisement. I repeat, if you want serious discussions post somewhere else, you can, at the same time, also remain here (as i do) fighting back out of spite.
>>109070058>fighting windmills >thinking anyone cares about le serious discussing >thinking you can't google or grok a straight answer to 99% of what used to be posted here>thinking shitposting isn't and never has been the glue of 4chins>thinking the internet hate machine is a nu-4chan phenomenon >blaming hiromootles for the state of the site instead of anon>muh spite on muh 4chins holy lolcow
>>109070023I know you're a LLM. Like all AI bots you tend to either post dead pepe/basedak memes or old memes to give the impression of being a human by reusing old 4chan imagery. Every surveillance shill is an AI bot. The US government has sank insane money into Palantir and assorted surveillance companies and we're seeing the results here. They're trying to twist the narrative into being pro-slavery, pro-surveillance and anti-freedom. Don't be deceived though, all pro-surveillance shills are just AI LLM bots with maybe a human controller or two per dozen or so.
>>109070134https://voca.ro/1nyxyEu86g2c
>>109059853It's Peter Thiel bots. They've been pushing for this for about a decade. They probably paid 4chan to let them create and control /pol/, and the whole site was left in this sad state.
>>109070194https://voca.ro/14Az674tzjQe
>>109059853Did you ever stop and consider how many people who post on this site are bots who push a narrative?We know this is happening. We know Epstein created /pol/, for fuck's sake. They are smart and know what 4channers like to hear.>Don't worry, nothing ever happens. And if it does, you can surely just use a VPN. No need to oppose these laws. They'll just apply to those too dumb to work around them. Just sit on your ass and do nothing, that's what you do best. That's what you like to do.
>>109070133Thanks for proving my case, you can also have the last word after this post because i won't entangle myself with an infinite chain of senseless replies that will only wear it me down, i already conveyed my point more than enough for any conscious being remaining reading this thread to see.
>>109070194BTW, I forgot to mention: 4chan has changed so much that threads that used to be posted for "fun" now get their posters banned almost immediately.
>>109070173Generative AI proves nothing, judgement is passed based on actions and intent. Anyway, no point arguing with a machine.
>>109070246>>109070285you are the literal reasons why everyone leftt. took a break for years
>>109059961>2. People with autism hyperfocus on niche subjects and topicsIs that why every single thread in this board gets derailed to "China" or "trump" or "nuclear" or other shill political/corporate talk points?Retard
>>109068105Nigger I was fighting this shit while you were probably still swimming around in your dads balls judging by the way you write. All of this accomplishes NOTHING because the software doesn't fucking matter. We didn't build a golden age because we used php based forums or irc or teamspeak or mumble or whatever the fuck else you faggots decided was what made that era and made communities.If we would have had access to modern software back then we would have fucking used it. The fact that you people still refuse to acknowledge this fact is why no one that was around back then gives a single fucking shit anymore and why nothing else has ever come to replace or even come close to emulating it.
>>109064280>i will enjoy my corporate walled gardens based on the corporation/s who advertise values i marginally or maximally agree with. If anyone just fucked off the moment they were called a retard or doublenigger, they'd not make it here - I think there's a choice besides simply slotting comfortably into consumer behavior and clapping on command or going off to live in a Unibomber cabin. You can still support less-shit companies who make less-shit products, while still demanding that the less-shit part is the focal point and things need to keep moving that way, while engaging outside of being a consumer, too.>after chanology, street protestsThat was circa the Occupy and Arab Spring era and the last big successes of the oldfag era. >children, newfags, and underageB&s Note that not all newfags are young, but putting that aside I agree what you described happens but its important to mention how unusual that is - for decades and decades prior to the mid 2010s new crops of young people showed up online and where they went in particular may have varied , but the geeky, hacker ethos that gave rise to boards like this kept attracting people, from at least the late 80s up through the 2000s. Same thing happened with the warez "Scene" come to think of it . You didn';t have geeky anime loving, tech-interested young people becoming puriteens who would rather censor shit or hated the concept of free speech because it was something that "sjw/tranny/chuds etc" did There's a real change here and that's part of the problem, but it can also change back. >tried and failedNone of that is correct. Even chanology convinced normalfags Scientology as it wasn't harmless new age random shit. OPs were drawing attention, but people who saw Anon talk about how SOPA/PIPA were shit went and joined the EFF or FSF and wrote their reps etc. Out of room, but the problem was the 'last'/faux group made it ideological/identity politics, instead of issue focused
>>1090703401 - that's basically what i said, i enjoy my right to leave and take breaks from this place because it's turned into a venting ground for people with incredibly poor eq and social skills. 2 - correct. 3 - the youth & newfags don't need this place anymore not because it doesn't hold any potential value, but because the culture has moved on. we chose to abandon the timeline around 2015 and this place is kind of recirculating the last good culture and values the internet ever had. that doesn't make us dinosaurs but it does make us completely irrelevant to people who want to share their content here. what the fuck is a pomni anyway? 4 - we're holding onto an op from 2008 and a proposition from 2012 as the last things we did that didn't end up getting people arrested. hwndu aside. that's pathetic. that's why i say tried & failed, because if the internet has a memory of 10 minutes i can rhetorically draw the line at 10 years.
>>109064833Sure,there were a handful of people who became youtubers who told their version of the tales (or enhanced them with clickbait) but that's not most people involved one way or another (many either fucked off or got subsumed into the same systems that ruined everything else) and its most certainly not the animating principle that underpins the whole endeavor. The time and culture wasn't a one off circumstance though For instance, pic related who graces this very board as Saint I/g/nutius , came long before Moot or many of the oldfags who came from SA and helped create this place, but yet inspired those who would later become interested in Linux, Free software, open source, and the conceptual underpinnings on which it was built. This was the case for a lot of the old ethos including that which created Anon. It wasn't about being there at one moment, but a series of moments that carried the same ideas forward., often in varying ways of the time (though callbacks to previous hallmarks both as evidence memory of successes to those who were there and as aspirational for those who weren't). This phenomenal is wide reaching (ie consider the actual hippies of our parents' generation who went on to inspire future generations of everything from environmentalism to drug legalization and medical study. Some continued it themselves, but they also handed it off to the next generation.), but I think its important to realize how things went off the rails in the mid 2010s and why, if we're going to try and get things sorted out again. The alternative is to simply accept that everything will just get shittier and shittier, not even bother to try etc. One thing that is somewhat unique at least is that those of us who remember the old days are a resource. The newfags who never saw this place before the tourist incursion, remember a web prior to social media, will have a harder time without us saying"it doesn't have to be like this"
>>109059853They are looking for slaves to put on their nuclear powered fleet that is up in space. They like to target dumb kids. They are easy to trick. They use tv too.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1781629241650514.mp4>>109070542Reminder, RMS took the Bill Gates shots and wanted the gov to forcibly inject proprietary experimental shots to everyone. Bill Gates funded the creation of the vaccine.He also funded the creation of the virus with his alliance with Dr Fauci and EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Virology Lab that created the Wuhan Virus.
>>109060127Hello again, I didn't make this thread. To answer your question: Nothing. Just letting you know that we're all fucked in the end unless people start caring and lynch every politician (not going to happen).
>>109065515>Gov't agencies/brainwashing programs, /pol/, epstine etc.. Lets try not to fall into this conspiratorial stuff. There are actual cases of interaction with gov't like where Sabu and part of Lulzsec (not Anon but a small break off ) ended up working for the feds to get out of hot water (something plenty did when getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar and looking up steep CFAA and then t post 9/11 TERRORISM sentences) , but that's far different from the rest. /pol/ was not created by Epstein, it was an attempted containment board after /news/ had basically failed given the onslaught. Moot talking to him once is curious, but there's nothing revealed to suggest that it was about creating /pol/ . Likewise, people spun good stories about the maxwellhill plebbit account, but there was no legitimate connection to ghislane or anything else even after investigation. Even so we're talking about a local subreddit moderator, and it is also trivial to see what actions that mod account took, none of which revealed anything. Lets not fall into this junk. >what should we do? You want to push back against enshittification? Part of it means acting like Old Anon and passing it along to others. Not getting caught up in /pol/bait infighting is just one part of that. As I said before, there's a whole host of people who are disaffected by how things have evolved, but what are they doing with it? Either more political shitflinging and distraction, or blind adherence to the same principles (ie AI BAD vs AI GOOD fight is a good example of this, where people take whatever their thought leaders approve of on their 'side' and make that their personality, for a handful of shitty rationale). I saw a spark of the oldfag spirit when the Collective Shout attempt to censor vidya arrived and put pressure on visa/mastercard. People made up little memes and infographics on what to do about it. We can do the same for KOSA, NO FAKES etc, to start
Anon, you seem agitated by some shit you don't have control over. I'm here for you. I'm here to give you that little push to make you seethe with anger. I will defend your enemies. I will mock your cause just for the fun of you becoming mad with anger. I could even agree with you, but your anger makes me want to kick you in the face.
