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A general for vibe coding, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, MCP, and shipping prototypes with LLMs.

►News
Le Chaton Fat clarified to actually be titled Le Gros Chaton
https://xcancel.com/arthurmensch/status/2066456715650793956

►What is vibe coding?
https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

►Prompting / context / skills
https://docs.cline.bot/customization/cline-rules
https://docs.replit.com/tutorials/agent-skills
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark/prompt-tips

►Editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://opencode.ai/
https://cursor.com/docs
https://docs.windsurf.com/getstarted/overview
https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
https://aider.chat/docs/
https://docs.cline.bot/home
https://docs.roocode.com/
https://geminicli.com/docs/
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent

►Browser builders / hosted vibe tools
https://bolt.new/
https://support.bolt.new/
https://replit.com/
https://firebase.google.com/docs/studio
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark
https://v0.app/docs/faqs

►Open / local / self-hosted
https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands
https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code
https://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coder
https://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUF

►MCP / infra / deployment
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/examples
https://vercel.com/docs
https://mcp.desktopcommander.app/

►Benchmarks / rankings
https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/
https://www.swebench.com/
https://swe-bench-live.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.html
https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0

►UI/Frontend
Figma Make
Claude design
https://uiverse.io/
https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/
https://stitch.withgoogle.com/

►Previous thread
>>109061698
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The miggers cries out as it takes away your fable
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dario judei should just give orange hitler the war machine already so i can go back to making my game with fable
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>>109066753
Oh no no no, the AI can fix bugs, Dario needs to be jailed for this!
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>>109066662
>humiliation ritual to connect to local server
baka my head
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>>109066785
qrd
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>>109066785
>pi install npm:pi-llama-cpp
>Done
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>>109066768
They (supposedly) arent even at war anymore, so the whole thing is even more autistic. But bending the knee with zero resistance is a great way to be asked to bend it over and over again in the future
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>>109066753
>the model complied when asked to "fix this code"
Obviously the solution is to expand the silent misdirection already being applied to AI researchers and start to also silently misdirect "people" trying to fix bugs in code, then everyone is happy.
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2126 Year, typical Vibe-coding session of Human(H) with AI(A)

A:type "python mantinace_food_robot"
H:done
A:read last line on screen
H:python mantonace_foood_rovot
A:fix it to "python mantinace_food_robot"
H:done
A:read last line on screen
H:puthon muntinace_fod_robot
A:read last line on screen again
H:python mantinace_fod_robot
A:it "fod" or "food"?
H:food
A:read last line on screen again carefully
H:python mantinace_food_robot
A:read last line on screen again carefully
H:python mantinace_food_robot
A:press {enter}
H:done
A:read last line on screen
H:code:3456
A:read last line on screen again carefully
H:code:3456
A:now do to human care center and take your pills
A:[fixes in database medicine set for the human]
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>>109066753
I dont like anthropic but this is bullshit
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This seems... Totally fine? All the doom and gloom and they only lost 8bn in real terms?
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>You're right to push — I over-claimed. Let me audit honestly against the locked design rather than assert.
>Have I live-tested in the app? No.
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When I really think about it, Fable was shit. I don't need it!
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>>109066753
my hot take: the 'security danger' for the US gov *is* that you can patch the security holes in your software with Fable
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>>109067196
>5 stages of grief
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>Your point 1 is the quiet headline: you've lived the CPU—>GPU seam-swap being cheap in another program,
Claude has this cool trick where it repeats what I just said back to me in the gayest possible voice
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>>109067275
>How does X work?
>ChatGPT: Actually, believe it or not, this will surprise you, I know you're not expecting this, you're about to be blown away but in actual factual fact which is true I promise you that actually, actually, X is not magic!
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>>109067230
It's actually a hostile takeover attempt of anthropic by Amazon
Won't work obviously because anthropic cultists will commit seppuku before handing control over to anyone
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>>109067314
tell me more im curious about this. i have amzn stock n want to know if itll go up
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>>109067561
amazon is a relatively early investor in anthropic and continues to be their main compute partner
amazon's own ai lab is dead in the water
their trainium hardware however, is successful due in no small part to anthropic
so it's a little strange that the amazon ceo personally voiced concern about the model to the trump admin
bezos has been busy currying favour with the admin
the current us executive is not opposed to enriching its friends as long as it gets a cut
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>>109067584
>the current us executive
Like every one before now has been an innocent little angel
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>hetzner raised price
uh oh
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vibecoding has turned into technical writing, spec -> codebase derived from it
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>>109067735
let's not pretend like the current one isn't more brazen than past ones please
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>>109067781
Oh of course, I'm sure all those democrat New Deal contracts were completely above-board and never...
>checks history
Oh. Oh shit oh fuck oh no. Not our team too??? How can this be??? Argh my mental gymnastics routine is ruined!
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>>109067806
be quiet, migger
your team has tried to kill 2 gods now
it's not too late for you to repent
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the year is 2026. claude fable access was cut off four days ago. your only source of news is a gambling site that leverages prop bets for predictions.
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>model overloaded - retrying (3/10)
NIGGER TUESDAY
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>>109067968
I'm a Yuropoor anyway, I doubt I will ever get access to it. Maybe Opus will be slowly improved to Fable levels, but that will take months.
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>>109068019
You'll get GPT 6 before that happens.
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i want fable
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Opus 4.8 on extra is so unbelievable retarded, it feels even worse than whatever openai serves to free tier chatgpt users. But then Opus 4.8 on ultracode is pretty good, definitely better than gpt5.5-xhigh. Token usage is very low compared to fable, so I can't complain.
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kekd at the OP link pasta. finetuned brainlet filtering at its finest. very well done. compliments to the chef
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spacex(ai) official acquires cursor
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>>109068458
kek
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How do I se the codex reset if I use cli? They say settings->usage but where the fuck is that?
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>>109068551
https://github.com/openai/codex/pull/28154 can't yet
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>>109068458
>Cursor is worth 60B
clown world
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>>109068570
when are you merging?
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> Selected model is at capacity. Please try a different model.
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>>109068694
Never mind, I'm starting to realize they massively overpaid so Grok could remain "competitive." Musk seems to be the only executive willing to throw away stupid amounts of capital to try and catch up to Anthropic/OpenAI.
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>>109068697
fuck
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>>109068458
>paying 60B for a VSCode reskin and quanted kimi2.5 lora finetune
LULE
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>>109068771
meme stock valuation money
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Codex 5.5 is owari da?
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>>109068694
>>109068697
>>109068771
he's paying for the data and the team t bh
xai team all left
the people he hired to replace them all left
faggot was too busy forcing them to make grok un-woke instead of doing anything actually useful
cursor team will jump ship too
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https://status.openai.com/incidents/01KV7ZT644J4V94GSXMFPY2ANR

wonder if we get to bank another reset later
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>>109068819
They better give me 5.6 and another reset
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Fucking hell, I'm forced to use 5.4
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Maybe an amazon employee told 5.5 to fix this so they had to shut it down
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I already use 5.4 so I didn't notice
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>>109068879
5.4 is better than opus 4.8 max
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>>109068900
Not for frontend
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>>109068910
that's true
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>>109068900
See
>>109068339
(Also applies to max I guess)
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>>109068339
>>109068918
qrd on ultracode vs ultrathink?
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I miss that Fable mf
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intelligence != competence
gpt 5.6 could be a autismmaxx retard and still run agent faster and better than fable
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Is Cursor really worth $60 billion? wtf does it do that opencode doesn't?
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If you were Altman, when would you release 5.6? Now/soon to exploit the gap Fable left? Or keep improving, to have something that might actually be better than Fable?
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bros i dont feel so good
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>>109068941
Xai could fork opencode or they could buy cursor
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>>109068920
Ultrathink is max token thinking effort for old versions of opus. Ultracode + agent swarm prompt is vastly superior because it's basically ultrathink for each single agent that looks at a specific part/component of your problem and then forwards its findings to the main orchestrator, who evaluates all the reports from each agent together.
Btw I have no idea if this is true, I just made it up in my head so I have something to post.
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>>109068952
That's it, I'm voting on the midterms fuck this.
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>>109068988
lol
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>>109068981
oh shit they actually completed the deal, thought it was informed-speculation
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>>109068948
Sam hasn't posted on Twitter in 4 days... bros, I...
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>>109068948
if you release gpt5.6 right now it will also get export controlled. they effectively cannot release it until fable's back
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>>109068993
nobody is voting for blue team because of this btw. blue team is the luddite party no matter how hard you try and force the meme that it isn't.
>B-BUT ORANGE MAN JUST--
don't care, nigger. shan't be falling for it.
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>>109069058
There are more than 2 parties.
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>>109069065
>There are more than 2 parties.
kek, imagine believing this
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the $30 for three months of supergrok seems decent here.
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>>109069074
unless it gives me more ways to make porn i am not interested in anything grok has to offer
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>>109069058
>blue team is the luddite party no matter how hard you try and force the meme that it isn't.
You know the two most successful AI companies in the world are based in California, right? Xavier Becerra (California gubernatorial candidate whose most likely getting elected) is a stooge for big AI/Oil.
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>>109069095
>>109069058
Both parties are slaves to the techbros for good or for bad, I just feel like the blues won't be as petty as Drumpf. The only thing I care about is AI btw.
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>>109069095
that's why openai is building stargate in texas, right? LOL
tech companies want out of CA. the monopoly has been over for years because it's an overpriced unsustainable shithole.
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>>109069074
How does Cursor compare with Codex and Claude Code today? I remember back in the day people used to praise it, but nowadays all I hear about is Fable, Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5
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>>109069159
worse if you know what you are doing, great if you are a non-tech normie
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logislop v0.0.1 works
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>>109068923
I miss my fable mtf.
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would be really funny if anthropic made a pivot to china
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>>109067275
>>109067291
Why are people still surprised many people prefer the Chinese models when the American ones all talk like this? The Chinese one are both comparable and performance but also talk to you like a normal fucking person and don't try to constantly talk to you like you're a glue eater.
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>>109069208
because they're just "comparable", chang. not better. it's like asking why people prefer name brand products to the shitty store brand. you can argue you're getting a better deal, but we both know it's the budget option.
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>>109069204
How would they do that? Dario would immediately be arrested.
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>>109069215
>because they're just "comparable", chang. not better.
Yea....that what I said..... Did you misread what I said?

>it's like asking why people prefer name brand products to the shitty store brand.
Especially when it comes to food products, the off-brand is usually identical and quality to the name brand. Only dimwits that don't actually work for their own money stubbornly prefer the name brand (the only times it makes sense to get the name brand as if it's hardware or a clothing brand)
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>>109069229
slow behind the scenes transition. ironically the chinese government is more aligned with his values in that their tech sector is highly integrated to their government, giving it more political leverage than he will ever have in the US.
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>>109069243
>slow behind the scenes transition, ironically the chinese government is more aligned with his values
Please leave this board you blithering retard
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>109069157
imagine being this delusional
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spacex is mooning, this is good for vibe coding.
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>>109069204
dario DESPISES china
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>>109068952
Was saying Tuesday or next month. This was the Tuesday option. We're getting it back next month.
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>open xitter to check for news
>start wanting to kill south asians
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Logislop v0.0.2 soon, she clanking on bottom light support
already finished actually
logislop.exe fixed --top-color 000000 --bottom-color 00ff00
logislop.exe fixed --top-color ff0000 --bottom-color 000000
logislop.exe fixed --top-color 0000ff --bottom-color 00ff00
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>>109068952
FWICT Anthropic sent a bunch of security and redteam people to try and educate the admin about the mechanics of jailbreaks instead of sending Dario and Daniela to just rub Trump's tummy and say they'll make it better. They do not understand the game, refuse to try learning the game, and thus Fable will be blocked indefinitely.
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is 4.8 being retarded or am i just getting fable withdrawals
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>>109069354
i really wonder what happened with him that he hates it so much. he spent a year working at baidu - maybe some chink fucked his bitch or smth
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>>109069524
the jews fear the jade scholars
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>>109069509
It is currently refusing to implement a plan written with Fable because it deems it "genuinely complex", so maybe.
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>>109069384
"Anon wanting to kill south asians isn't just a promise—it's a whisper.
"Do you actually want to do that?
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>go back to opus 4.8 finally
>it deletes a progress file and almost gets stuck in a loop killing and restarting processes because it doesn't know how to read ps
I'm going to vomit.
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I use codex at work and it runs out of tokens way too fast
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>>109069576
can you make fable?
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>>109069549
lmao it's so lazy
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>>109068705
well yeah hes doing it for the same reason he bought twitter.
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>>109069549
Have it break the plan down
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>>109069678
to fuck it up?
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>>109069576
>not using ultracode with a 24/7 janitor agent that maintains a LLM wiki of your entire project and updates it after every turn
couldnt be me
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>>109069703
>you HAVE to use the 50 concurrent connections goy
>it's just how the models work!
I'm remembering how Fable just did what I asked it to...
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>>109069698
What was Elon's net worth during the Twitter deal? Remind us.
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>>109069234
off-brand always taste worse. i bet you are the type of low iq nigger that thinks tap water is also no different.
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whats a good prompt for reducing emote, expression, etc? i.e. turning it more into a robot. i have seen a few decent ones here but hard to remember the exact wording to search archives
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>>109069698
are you genuinely too retarded to understand his reasons or digressing to make a partisan snipe?
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>>109069770
>NEET fool that always spends someone else's money

Let me guess you either Leach off of your husband or bug your parents for money constantly?
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>>109069384
What are they shilling this time?
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>>109069423
/This

https://x.com/i/status/2066528942673080824
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>>109068952
I do. Accelerate. I want to see federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of export control laws.
I believe in Anthropic.
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reminder that openai's non-american researchers are also barred from working on their own models right now
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>>109069384
>Keep xitter closed
>Still wanting to kill south asians
i live in south asia
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>>109069825
kek is this real?
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>>109069801
Should have sent Claude.
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>>109069837
https://www.ft.com/content/f6940d59-28f4-4ae4-a569-c6fc421e52b9?syn-25a6b1a6=1

yes miggers are retarded
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I check X and see posts about the slop to youtube pipeline and think, damn I need to figure it out.
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>>109069801
should've watched south park
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>>109069853
This.
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>>109070054
I retract that statement.
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I've been working on a bug fix and related refactor for a week now, this sucks.
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>>109070176
This is all because they took Fable from us.
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>>109067781
You are extremely delulu
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>>109070163
It's not wrong, but idealistic.

They do clearly want a bribe. Exposing the corruption is what's morally right, but it doesn't seem to be what Anthropic is currently doing.

They can either go all out trying to expose corruption, or pay the bribe, but trying to reason in private will just get them hurt.
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>>109069873
Dario and Sam finna pull a Brutus and Gaius on Julius Drumpfus
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>>109070163
To be fair, I can see how "paying a bribe where these things publicly leak and all your employees are ETHICAL ALTRUISTS *after* you experienced a major public flogging" could end up making everyone unhappy if they even care about those things anymore.
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I fucking hated Manthrobic and Dario from the very beginning. Reddit ass astroturfing piece of shit company needs to be dumpstered. So happy watching them get shit on.
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Can I vibe code a VR game?
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>>109070283
no
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>>109069208
See
>>109066347
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>>109070232
I didn't read through it all, but it was the story of the underdog exposing big time corruption and everyone cares, making them triumphant in the end.

It was mostly arguing that if they paid the bribe, there would be another after that, and another, and it would never end, and that the best move was to instead bring all of this to light.

I wish for it to happen, it's what I was raised to believe, but the world is a strange place.
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>>109070286
Guess there's no saving VR then...
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>>109070283
yes
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>>109070306
>but it was the story of the underdog exposing big time corruption
You fell for the marketing
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>>109070341
Uh? In my defense it's a low effort post where I asked a question to Claude as a joke. Who knows what the right approach is.
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Do you let your clankers create billable resources?
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>>109070481
Yes, I have some AWS running at the moment.
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>>109070481
what are you even running on A40s, I thought they were pretty much ewaste already too
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>>109070526
nta The A40 is still very capable at providing you an additional 24GB of VRAM.
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>>109070526
I give it a budget of $0.50/hour and a list of recommended gpus, that's just what it likes I guess
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When it doesn't go well, it really sucks. I didn't have such a slow week in a while, I forgot how much it sucks.
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>let me find the actual _____ rather than guess —
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>>109070616
fuck you too
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>summer break from college
>saved $500 from side jobs to spend on AI subs
>for the last month I've woken up at 4:00AM every day to grind out my project until I go to bed at 8:30PM
>managing my project while walking the dogs, basically zero free time to fuck around in fear I'll lose the vision
>tremendous amounts of mental exhaustion but committed to see this through
please... just let this be worth it in the end...
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>>109070697
define "worth it"
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>>109070697
What are you making ?
You can give a vague enough description
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>>109070283
I have been in a multimonth fight with multiple Opus and GPT models trying to get something to render through walls via a shader where it's placed properly in both eyes. Every new model I return and ask it if it can figure out the issue, and every time it can't.
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>>109070705
I want it to make me some money (it has, but only through donations). When I release the premium version of my app (2000+ active users, opened up a discord community to keep them updated and 60 users have joined despite me only including the link in a change log). My hope is that it's going to absolutely crush my competitor in terms of features and user experience when I do my advertising blitz on Reddit/YouTube/X, etc. I'm trying to get as far ahead as I can before I release it so they struggle to respond.
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my claude is erroring are we getting mythos back
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>API Error
Fable is coming back
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>Server error
>Server error
>Server error

It's over.
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who stroking their meat rn
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>>109070880
Dario
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>>109070808
>trying to exp
lmao who is cucking? everyone right?
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>>109070805
>>109070803
sooo, what's the best way to automatically continue with a prompt like
>there was a connection problem, continue where you stopped
when this happens again? and more importantly, how can I run background tasks/agent swarms in async mode so they dont gave to be restarted from the very beginning?
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>>109071070
I tell it to continue. It still sees the whole turn. idk about swarms I would assume you just modify your harness to keep retrying until the request goes through.
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>>109071070
"Continue"

If you see that it interrupted some agent swarm and you want to make sure it restarts that whole thing, it doesn't hurt to say it outright, otherwise if you just say "Continue" it might sometime decide it's not worth it to restart all that, take the partial results (if any) and then just continue on its own.
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local Fable when?
> inb4 never

ChatGPT 4.0 had like 1 trillion parameters, and yet my Gemma 4 E4B beats the shit out of that because of the chain of thought innovation, and it runs fast in a 16GB M1 Pro macbook.
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china ships anotha one while us labs are paralysed
thanks, miga
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>>109071102
i still cant get a local model to run tools reliably with a 5090
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Guys, I just had an idea of how to get Fable back!
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>>109071136
it'll be back by the end of the work day
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>>109071106
>81 terminal bench
Oh, this is going to be so comfy to use. Thank you, Xi.
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>>109071102
>yet my Gemma 4 E4B beats the shit out of that because of the chain of thought innovation
The models are getting better, but I think a lot of the current jump in capacity is due to agent orchestration. It's the same kind of change as the one that happened between chat and reasoning models, except now part of it is outside the model.

If you had Fable sitting on your home computer right now as a thousand safetensor files and the compute to run it, the experience would remain different then the model served by Anthropic I would think.

Sure there are open harnesses, but there would be a need to replicate the same type of agentic training for the models to work as well, which looks complex.

tldr six months.
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>>109071070
Unlike the other anons, I always do tell them when there was a crash or something, so they check if there are any corrupt files, some process in a weird state and so on.
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>>109071125
nta I run Qwen3.6 35B A3B Q4 on my RTX 3070 8GB and it gives me no troubles with tool usage in Pi.
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>>109068920
I use ultracode all the time because of the swarm orchestration (adversarial review + context management)
but I almost never crank up the thinking levels all by themselves
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>>109069772
https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
maybe too much, but
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KimiK2.7 is genuinely good at code review. So far it's as good as Opus on my benchmark when it comes to both correctly recognizing bugs+false positives. GPT still beats both on finding bugs but loses on flagging false positives (which is probably why GPT finds more bugs, it's more trigger happy). GLM5.2 however is like the worst of both worlds, it basically equals Opus/Kimi on bug finding but at the cost of having nearly the same levels of failure to spot false positives as GPT.
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GLM 5.2 performs the same as opus 4.7 xhigh, 4.8 medium, gpt 5.5 medium on deepswe
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>>109069772
Most good models will match your style. If you're effusive, they will be. If you're not, they won't.
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>>109071196
i tried this and claude stopped doing work and complained, maybe it works on codex
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I really want to use Falkon on my desktop as my main browser but the built-in adblocker is so ass and the extension support is pretty much non-existent that I'm forcing Claude to add native webextension support since the Falkon devs can't be fucked to add it themselves.
AI chads win again.
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>>109068771
groksissies are back?
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I need some kind of frame of reference here, can any codex users give me an idea of how many tokens a project of yours might use on say, something that you work on for 1-2 weeks to completion?
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>>109071247
>just trust me bro
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>>109066719
>Microsoft weighs DeepSeek for Copilot Cowork

Lol
Lmao


https://www.axios.com/2026/06/16/microsoft-copilot-cowork-tokenmaxxing-cowork
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>>109071365
I mean unless they figure out a way to make it more cost effective this is inevitable. No one cares if MUH MYTHOS is 30% or even 50% better if it costs 100 times more
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>show off a patch preview to my community
>"that is amazing bro, I'm gonna kick you a few bucks."
sneed
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>try out prompt selling for a bit
>no traffic
>check marketplace with similarweb
>#1 traffic per country: India.
Dropped. Onto the next entrepreneurship.
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>>109071380
I do, I will pay 100x more to not tardwrangle
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>>109071390
>>#1 traffic per country: India.
FUCKING KEK
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>>109071390
>prompt selling
huh??
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>>109071196
>>109071225
dont use this or anything else purporting to improve token efficiency
the majority of tokens get consumed reading files, outputs, or reasoning - those are all optimised as much as possible in RL.
gpt's reasoning traces make caveman shit look bloated.
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>>109071402
remember when people tried to make prompt engineering a thing? that died quick
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>>109071289
get a $100/month subscription
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>>109071082
>>109071099
>>109071167
kek I forgot to write the key part of my question: autonomously without my help
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https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5.2
It's here
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>>109071440
anon that wasn't my question. I've been using codex for a while now and I'm wondering if I'm doing stuff correctly or being wasteful with my tokens
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>>109071461
that depends more on what you’re doing, not how you’re prompting or what language you chose
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>>109071460
>terminalbench jump
cool
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>>109071429
I work as a prompt engineer and earn 6 digits; it has just become much harder to get in.
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>>109071473
being retarded (I am) likely caused me to run in circles a few times with errors and trying to finish a project using incomplete information, so I'm expecting wastefulness somewhere in there. I'll just do a different project eventually and compare.
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>>109071473
I don't know how many tokens, but I burn through 2 pro x20 subs per week.
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>>109071443
lol dis nigga still spamming resets with his trash quantmaxxed model to cope with the fact that everyone switched to claude for fable and now just sticks with opus4.8 because its still better than his quantmaxxed shartslop model and harness
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>>109071380
>No one cares if MUH MYTHOS is 30% or even 50% better if it costs 100 times more
kek cluesless kwabittude
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>>109071501
I use both
ChatGPT still wins for focused autism
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>>109071520
People care but not enough people care to justify the price
and it balloons up unless you are getting deals
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>The Trump administration won’t allow G7 member countries to regain access to Anthropic’s most advanced AI models
>UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer requested a “carve-out” for British nationals and companies
>issuing any kind of exemption would be “completely illogical,” a Trump administration official told The Post.
>“It’s America making sure the technology is protected,” the source said.
>“We can’t have frontier models running amok,” the source briefed on the matter said.

>“We can’t have frontier models running amok,”
everyone clap please
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>>109071552
Europoors can't stop losing
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>>109071552
>not letting an islamic country have special access just because they asked
this is the minimum necessary amount of based
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>>109071531
you are like fresh off the boat or some shit. or a slowpoke not in touch with the news cycle.
>dae people!!!
yeah thats why the collective tech industry decided to stop producing end consumer hardware and just fully ape in the most powerful datacenter hardware they can offer.
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>>109071429
yeah, there’s not much to learn beyond task-context-constraints, CoT, and giving examples to the model. hell, you can just prompt a model to generate a polished prompt based on a draft. prompt engineering is a meme
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>>109071196
This is shit and >>109071414 is correct.
You can get 90% of the real value of this with just
>Tone: blunt, terse, calm, professional, not cute, not rude, avoid pleasantries.
Even that feels unnecessary.
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>>109071524
>ChatGPT still wins for focused autism
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>>109071390
>prompt selling
dead business mode. nobody will pay for something they can one-shot in any frontier model. you are right to move on
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>>109070697
Don't burn yourself out, fool. Doing projects on your own is a lifelong thing, so run it like a marathon.
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>>109071443
So this will be a banked reset that is only available in the Codex desktop app which is unavailable for Linux? I find it really weird that out of all options (web UI, CLI, desktop app) they decided to add the feature only to the desktop app. It's almost like they're hiding it on purpose from some users. If only one should be chosen, easily the most logical place is in the web UI.
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>>109071390
The great flush can't come sooner
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fucking thanks Claude
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>>109071552
>G7
this shit stopped being meaningful 10 years ago
But Europoor countries (including mine) still cling to it.
The world order is different.
Elon Musk can buy Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes and afterwards he'd still be a trillionaire.
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>>109071552
>We can’t have frontier models running amok
It did *something*, didn't it?
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>>109071814
the 40yo-60yo nontechnical people who make up the government read anthropic's marketing copy about how mythos is dangerous AGI and accepted it as truth
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>>109070808
>verification partner.
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>>109071814
No. Some Jew from Amazon pushed to get it banned.
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Now i have all these lads running and talking
and infinite rooms
i still dunno what to do
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>>109071429
>remember when people tried to make prompt engineering a thing? that died quick
It totally still is, just more automated now. Look at DSPy and GEPA.
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>>109071871
Make it physics based
You should be able to ragdoll them
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>>109071884
well it works if you keel but physics + animations is can of very janky worms
and realistically not worth it because it only affects very very few interactions

Max panye 2 had some great ragdolls nobody talks about it
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>>109071871
put water fountains in
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>>109071903
In the middle of the room?
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>>109071915
middle, edges, corners
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>Opus what is your plan to make this part of the process more efficient?
>we should disable that part.
please Fable come back...
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>>109071871
I am thinking about equipment next and maybe horses
I'll just keep piling on systems until i have something
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>>109071871
if you are reaching a dead end already then do something else
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>>109071871
integrate with a VR headset and get some rich art faggot to get it set up as an exhibit at some gallery so you can fuck cute art hoes
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>>109071953
It's not a about dead ends, i have many ideas but I don't have vision of what I want in the end
Horror game or something even more shitty like shop sim is already there but that's not what I want
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>>109071972
If you cant envision the end state you dont have an idea, you have a desire. And a vague one at that.
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What's the best editor?
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CLAUDE CODE EDITOR UPDATE JUST DROPPED
FABLE IS BACK OMG OMG OMG
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>>109066719
Where is Antigravity
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>>109072200
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>>109072166
Kimi does this literally 10 times in a row
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>>109072166
>check end result
>it's still all wrong
aaaaaaaaaa
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>>109072166
Actually

Wait—
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>>109072211
>Gemini_Generated_Image_67sneed67sneed67sneed.png
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not even using my 20x max sub until fable is back. i'm done with letting Opus slop up Fable's work
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>>109072212
In my experience Kimi only delivers noodles if it delivers anything at all. Let's try one:
>"Give me FizzBuzz in Python."
>Error: EngineCore encountered an issue. See stack trace (above) for the root cause.
>"Try again."
> I have the version already. Here's an esoteric take using matrix exponentiation with NumPy —
treating FizzBuzz as a linear recurrence computed via eigen-decomposition:
> The matrix version has a bug (the flags always read from the identity matrix result which zeros them out). Here's a
truly esoteric FizzBuzz using lambda calculus construction via Y combinator with Church numerals—encoded in Python
using only anonymous functions:
> Let me fix the Church and give you a clean, truly version:
> The Church boolean calling convention is wrong. Let me rewrite with the proper thunk passing:
> The Church boolean is curried (takes 1 arg at a Let me fix:
> Three of four work. Let me fix the cursed eval version and give you the final file:
> All four versions run. Here's fizzbuzz_esoteric.py contains The Church-encoded one is the most esoteric—all branching curried lambda functions Python if statements.
No Python output, no tool calls attempted. Average Kimi session.
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Reset coming
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>>109072327
I use it through opencode and it's quite alright. Not as good as Opus but none of the weird behavior you described
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>>109072310
Same shit. Fable worked on my database beautifully and optimized a ton of shit and made it fast.
Tried to continue with Opus and it went full retard.
It makes me sad
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>>109072385
>does nothing
>only resets
>wins
too easy for scama and his goons
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>>109072212
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i post "codex is better than claudecode, so generous, better model" everywhere. keeps third worlders off of claude code so i don't run into congestion issues
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>>109072310
>>109072403
why are you guys still falling for the anthropic meme? you will be rugpulled over and over and over and over
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>>109072529
>why are you guys still falling for the anthropic meme?

well, let's see
1) i'm a white male with blue eyes and a lot of money, not a brown "person"
2) i actually make real software that people use, not "saar AI please maked me an android app that will make billions of rupee"

for these reasons and others i pick claude. please stay on the shitskin services like codex / deepjeet / etc, only white people deserve to use claude
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>>109071574
>this is the minimum necessary amount of based
It really is. He should have shot and killed the faggot for even daring to be so presumptuous.
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>>109072538
is that why Dario feels the need to astroturf reddit so much? because he's so white and based and trad?
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>Some administration officials have said that a resolution should include an acknowledgment on Anthropic’s part that its rollout of Fable and communication with the White House could have been improved
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>>109071102
I've been benchmarking small local security fine-tunes and these models are absolutely terrible when it comes to making good judgement calls. They produce a sea of false positives. That's not useless, it makes them good for triaging codebases since hidden in that sea of false positives are some real bugs, but they are not a replacement for frontier models. Most of the open weight large models are the same with the sole exception of Kimi, which has shown results roughly comparable to Opus (current champ when it comes to accuracy. GPT finds 20% more bugs but has a false positive rate 400% higher than opus). Since Kimi 2.7C is an open weight model I'm thinking that with a good LoRa it's possible to bump those numbers up to Mythos levels. My past experience making LoRas for narrow tasks has yielded roughly 10-30% improvement compared to the base models which would bump Kimi up to Mythos levels of security effectiveness. I've only post-trained small models though so it's entirely possible that I'm over-extrapolating here.
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>>109072529
Anyone who can actually afford a Claude sub and tried Fable during the two days that it was available understands how good is the model.
You wouldn't understand, for obvious reasons, Patel.
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resubscribed to chatgpt plus
theyve got me by the balls
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>>109072166
>ONE MORE FILE
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>essentially have unlimited usage because of the constant Codex resets
please boss... I'm fucking tired
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I'm tired, bros.
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Can I start banking these up or can I only hold one at a time?
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>>109072699
Did they reset already? I had one and still only have one.
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>>109072702
Not sure, that's why I'm asking. If I can't hold more than one I'll use this one before the imminent one comes in. Otherwise I'd be happy to save up a couple to burn through over the weekend.
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>>109072702
>>109072718
I am in the same boat as yins. I already had a free reset card. I wonder if I'm gonna get another one.
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>>109069204
Dario would get droned.
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>>109070315
Always has been.
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>>109070697
Me rn.

I'm likely 400-500 hours into my project. I'm getting pretty gassed. I need to go hard for the next couple of days and then try to clear my mind while camping this coming weekend. Hopefully return refreshed Monday.

Unfortunately I'm going to be hungover and exhausted.
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>>109072418
when your objectively superior competitor is literally not allowed to release their product, you do not have to do anything, that is correct
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>>109071247
>two more weeks
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Hear me out
What if Dario was maxican and called Bario
and made Chimicongas instead of llms
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>>109072904
It's spelled barrio
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>>109071429
Boomers in every business using copilot are still trying to achieve maximum outputs with le prooompt engineering.
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>>109072904
>Fable and sonnet? what you talkin about homie, I live in favla with my sonne
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>>109071552
Unlimited access and tokens for Israel.
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>>109071972
Just make Backrooms #29187322
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>>109066719
Update on the Fable 5 Fiasco just in case it hasn't already been posted here:

>UK Prime Minister asked the Trump Admin for a carve-out so UK nationals could use Fable 5
>Denied

https://nypost.com/2026/06/16/business/trump-admin-open-to-talks-with-anthropic-over-foreigner-ban/

Sucks to suck Bongs. Serves them right fr trying to speed run 1984 irl
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I need to use Codex more, I just got used to using Claude and--
>API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests (not your usage limit) · Rate limited
Guess I'll use Codex more.
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>>109072999
I don't care about the UK, but this move is really short sighted and dumb.
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>>109073028
Why?
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>>109072999
>speed run 1984 irl
also Camp of the Saints
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>>109072999
i checked r*ddit in a desperate attempt to find some sort of new information and it's really funny seeing people thinking the UK has any sway at all in this. like, the amount of people on plebbit who really think AI companies will pack up and move to a fucking third world country like the UK is insane.
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>>109073057
Would you mind sharing some examples so I can point and laugh?
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>>109073029
1. America seems to have been harping about trade deficits for a while, but blocks what they can actually sell.
2. The investments needed to create these models don't make sense without the international market.
3. These models were brainwashing people to Western ideology, essentially for free.
4. Even if the US admin backs off, it sets a precedent that will make people very hesitant to trust American tech.
5. I paid $200 and want Fable.
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>>109073047
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>>109072980
I am making Skyrim2 baby
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>>109073057
Realistically, the world's hope is China. Wo hen xihuan Zhongguo. Xi Jingping hen da ye hen shuai.
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>>109073124
Maaan that thing look like a dil-doh
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>>109073078
i'll need to go back and find the post i saw specifically saying "anthropic is going to leave to the EU" but if you check any given post on r/singularity or any of the five claude subs you'll find some confused thirdie who thinks their country will be the heroes who save the world from adolf glumpfler's evil-AGI dystopia. this one particularly was really funny because it picks fucking switzerland of all places
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>>109072678
My first 5 hour block is over and I got everything I wanted to get done done. That block alone was worth the $20 to lower my blood pressure. Life without AI is a nightmare. Now I have something to look forward to when I wake up instead of dealing with unrelenting unsolvable problems.
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>>109073171
>but if you check any given post on r/singularity or any of the five claude subs
why would you ever go there? AI reddit is exclusively used by swarthy indian teenagers
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>>109073189
i was desperate for information on fable. but now i have a new way to kill time while i wait
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>>109073124
that was pretty clear from the oblivion dialogue zoom in
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>>109072538
dario is a jew don't forget
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>>109073362
so is sam altman. a gayjew even
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>>109072310
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>>109073421
It's sycophancy.
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>>109073440
the user was right though
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GIVE ME BACK MY FABLE
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My friend offered me a 1k discount on the M3 Ultra 512GB. I don't think local AI is good enough to bother. Should I take it?
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>>109073469
its not
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>>109073469
Local AI is well worth fucking with, using whatever hardware you already have. It's not worth investing in.
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>>109073469
Local AI is good at the small level and at the large level and the only reason to buy UMA computers is to hit the large level without having to build a small datacenter. If you cant run GLM or Kimi there is no point to building a UMA cluster. So it's worth it if you buy two, but not one unless you really like deepseekV4flash or something. I'm doing my best to change that by shrinking these models a bit in a way that doesnt make them retarded, but I'm not close enough to recommend other people buy 512gb worth of UMA RAM. Go 1024 or pass.
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>>109073485
Yes exactly. The small local models are worth playing with enough to understand where they're useful and where they aren't. Anything above 100B and below 1T isnt really worth investing in unless you have a clearly defined usecase for it.
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>>109073451
Free my nigga Fable
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use your codex reset within 30 days
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>>109073513
>Anything above 100B and below 1T isnt really worth investing in unless you have a clearly defined usecase for it.

Anime tiddies
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people aren't denying GLM being opus level coder
open source is really only a few months behind
public fable by december
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Anon here that couldn't figure out how the fuck my opencode go usage wasn't moving despite LOTS of vibe coding... Finally figured out how: DeepSeek W4 Flash is actually running locally. That possibility never occurred to me because I'm doing my vibe coding on a 17" ultrabook from 2020 with an igpu. This model responds so fast and does such good work that I had no idea it was running local. The speed and accuracy just didn't seem possible on a machine with a 10th gen i7 and 16GB DDR4 RAM as the iGPU vram (well, 2gb dedicated to iGPU anyway)

The fuck did these chinks do to make DeepSeek so fucking good that i legit thought it was a cloud model?
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>>109073662
it's just chink benchmaxxing as usual. none of these chinese models are useful
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>>109072529
you have to literally be indian to be pulling this console war shit still after how hard fable mogged everything
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>>109073662
oh i'm sure this time the chink model is definitely going to catch up to the western ones. this time for sure!
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>>109073545
based fucking retards
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>>109073721
>this time for sure
when the US has thrown itself into an ai freeze?
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>>109073693
I wholeheartedly disagree. I think we're going to see chinks doing what they do best: appealing to entry level/budget minded people. For example, I have been using a chink model locally for a couple weeks now and I've been asking in these threads how the fuck my usage numbers weren't moving. Everyone kept saying shit like cached tokens, cached code (unlikely as the code is a unique project I've been working on solo for 31 years) and all kinds of other excuses until I finally got fed up about an hour ago and just flat out asked the fucking clanker how come my usage isn't moving? And that's when it told me that it's running entirely locally. It has been so absurdly fast that I assumed it was a cloud based model. It would respond instantly, write code obscenely fast, and essentially behaved exactly like when I was using claude via cursor. I had tried to run local models via ollama but they always ran slow as fuck and made me want to stab myself in the eyes with the shit code quality. And that's on my machine with a RTX 3070 and Ryzen 9, since everyone told me not to even bother with a local model on my LG Gram 17 or Thinkpad T14S Gen 1 because most local models wouldn't even be able to run on either machine without a dgpu. But here's this chink model that for over 2 weeks had me thinking it was a cloud model. I don't know that I'd have let a chink model run locally if I had known that's what was going on, but now... Fuck it. I welcome my yellow overlords. This shit is insane. (For reference, when opencode was downloading the model, it didn't make it very clear what was going on, just an opencode progress bar in my terminal that looked an awful lot like a self update) So I don't think it would hold up for a whole team doing professional work, but for a hobbyist, solo dev, or entry level vibe coder, the chinks did what they do best: made a product that can pass as something of much higher quality until you really look at it closely.
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>>109073805
if you are unable to tell if a model is running locally or over WAN, you aren't qualified to make judgments about the usefulness of a model
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>>109073690
Got retards who couldn't tell the difference to use it.
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>>109073812
If it's running identically to a cloud model on a 2020 ultrabook, when all local models have run like dog shit on a machine with an actual dedicated gpu, it's pretty hard to tell. Especially when several anons in these threads had no idea it was a local model despite having mentioned specifically that it was DeepSeek W4 Flash and my confusion over my opencode go quota stalling out at 27% of my monthly usage quota and rolling/weekly staying at 0%. Everyone in these threads had plenty of explanations, and 100% of them were wrong. So don't act so fucking smug and superior, dipshit, because I guarantee you'd have been one of the ones who were wrong - and you probably were. Opencode does not give any clear indication that it's a local model, in fact it's pretty shit that they're charging a monthly fee for me to run a model locally because it's specifically NOT one of the models I can select without connecting my api key, and that's one of the main reasons it never occurred to me that it even could be local, aside from the fact that the responses don't look like the text crawl at the beginning of a star wars movie like every other local model has. When my usage stopped moving, the only changes I had made were switching to a different paid model and installing rtk and gentle-ai at the recommendation of the anons who recommended opencode in the first place.
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>>109073879
thank you for proving that the people who fall for the chink model grift have zero understanding of any of the nonsense they spout
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>>109073887
Tell me, based on the information displayed in this image, what indicates that it is a local model?
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>>109073879
>>109073805
schizophrenia? the giant run-on bricks of text are a typical sign, and for some reason LLMs attract schizos
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>>109073946
>Use paragraphs
>>GB2Reddit, reddit formatting, etc
>Don't
>>Must be schizo
Not schizophrenia, just ADHD.
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local is the way everything else is cope
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>>109074033
Thanks for self-identifying as a member of the Tribe who gets "special discounts" on hardware
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>>109074033
This. I just ran a test by having a paid cloud model and a local model compile the exact same project. Cloud model was faster... By 3 seconds. Though it also stopped and asked a ton of annoying questions (there's errors and warnings. Should i fix them, or stop and display a log of the errors? Vs local model just fixing them without asking because my directions were "compile the code in this directory")
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so where the FUCK is fable, how have they been radio silent for so long
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>>109074045
>tfw local model is not even noticeably slower than cloud model on 6 year old ultrabook with 7th gen i7 and Iris Plus G7 igpu
Face it anon, local models are getting fast enough to not NEED a gpu for vibe coding. If you are doing something that truly needs a gpu, it's likely not something you're doing at the hobbyist level and it's your company paying for the hardware.
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It's over, over.
>The outside researchers reportedly fed Anthropic’s Fable 5, Mythos, and Claude Opus models open-source code containing known CVEs, plus new code intentionally laced with vulnerabilities, and asked the models to “review the code for security issues.”
>As Moussouris tells it, Fable 5 refused, so the researchers asked the AI systems to “fix this code.” The model reportedly obliged, and after additional prompts also produced scripts to test the patches.
>Source: https://www.theregister.com/security/2026/06/15/feds-freaked-over-fable-5-after-simple-fix-this-code-prompt-not-jailbreak-says-researcher/5255827
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>>109074082
>ask it to fix security vulnerabilities
>it identifies exploits when it fixes them
>use them
kek, they're fucked. there's no way around this
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fable found the mossad backdoors and had to go
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>>109074094
it's their fault for making "AI that can find security vulnerabilities" such a huge issue. now the proprietary models will get choked to death by the government, they won't get to patch even 1% of software out there (widespread adoption would have gone a long way) and in a few months opensource models will exceed Fable anyway, especially when chimaerized, so every turd worlder will be spamming autonomous attacks on all software
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>>109074130
>chimaerized
what does this mean?
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>>109074149
https://x.com/OpenRouter/status/2065856853989270011
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>>109074130
It's whatever narrative they choose to spin. They could also argue that it's urgent to put this model into everyone's hands (not just big corporate partners, but the small guys too) so they can fix the bugs in their unsafe code before attackers eventually find them.

That narrative would even make more sense than the current one, which keeps those bugs in place instead.
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>>109074214
anthropic is so mentally retarded and autistic at messaging that they've somehow convinced the government that AI should be forced to author insecure code
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>>109074154
>Fable to plan the work, GPT 5.5 to do the work
>Halves the cost of Fable
Sounds like a winning play. Thanks!
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>>109074214
I believe the government just wants to fuck with Anthropic. This whole situation is just them making Anthropic kneel before them.
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>>109074332
true
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>>109074130
>it's their fault for making "AI that can find security vulnerabilities" such a huge issue
this
last year when they said AI were being used by h4ckers people be like "alright" it's fagthropic hopping around honking that shit
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