How much is too much?
i think 1 gigabit symmetrical is enough. i have 2gbit but only a few providers like huggingface and steam will actually let you use those speeds
>>109067974That's pretty expensive but that's a lot better than how I remember Australia used to be.
I have 8000/600 for 32$/mo
>>109067974I pay $30 for 10 Gbps lol
I think I'm the last cunt in Aussie on DSL speeds
I pay ~80 USD for 5000/1000 because It's the only way to get 1000mbps up in my country. Didn't even have 5gbps capable gear until recently.
>>109068085Why do you need that much upload? I assume you're doing something more exciting than seeiding random Linux distro .iso files.
>>109067974the reasonable technical upper bound is local write speeds due to literally physics
>>109067974>too muchIgnoring price, I guess when the Internet speed exceeds the speed of my fastest SSD
>>109068115write speeds for download, read speeds for upload, technically, but asymmetric usage obviously has implications here and few people upload a constant /dev/random streamalthough maybe more people should, and give the LLMs proper apophenia
>>109068132>Not downloading to RAM-disk and then writing to SSDPathetic
>>109068143that doesn't solve anything
>>109068115I host a Jellyfin instance for my family. And networked storage for myself when I'm away from home. I average 700mbps up during evenings.
>>109068141What?Are you saying people are uploading 1000 MB/s of piped /dev/random to LLMs? I assume you'd be banned pretty fucking quickly doing that.I assume your computer will be pretty busy doing not much else doing that.
>>109068157I obviously wasn't serious but it does improve the situation in some instances, it depends on the circumstances.It reduces the amount of time you need to be connected to the server you're downloading from if you can actually download faster than you can write to disk.
>>109067974im on 500/50 for about $75/month AUD. I seriously don't get why upload speed is so crippled in Australia
We are going to start seeing monthly data caps at this rate.
>>109067974>too muchno such thing.
>>109067974My download speed is like 30-50 mbps because I still use a cat 4 E3372 modem from 2013
>>109068050yeah but you have to live in whatever country that is as a tradeoff
>>109067974internet speed should be linked to tax bracket and/or education level.low, you'll get 10kb/s.mid, you'll get 1mb/shigh, you'll get 10mb/swould solve a lot.
>>109067974Why do they always cuck the upload speed so much for you guys? I'm on 500mbps and I get 500 in download and upload alike
>>109068719Great idea, implement many such ideas and there will be civil war.
Why are upload speeds always pathetic and a tenth of the download?
>>109070638ADSL legacy. With limited bandwidth they thought, correctly, that assigning the majority of that bandwidth to download capacity was more important for residential connections. Why it's carried over to the fibre optic era I'm not sure.
>>109070281what are the poors gonna do if their internet is now too slow for netflix and scrolling tiktok?
>>109067974>bandwidth: 2 gigs>latency: 2000ms
>>109067974>Hyperfast>Isn't even symmetrical Jesus Christ.
>>109068115Because you can't skimp out on upload speed in a time-divided fiber channel unless you're just doing it out of spite. For cable, it's because more channels are (generally dynamically) available for download than upload.
>>109067974When you have to go from consumer to commercial grade networking equipment to take advantage of the speeds. You'll also need some sort of packet shaping at the router level so you get consistent resultsm Also WiFi is shit, you'll need wired for anything to actually use the speeds.Also 200mb up is shit ahaha.
I just want internet that works fast enough to the point that I don't have to think about it.I guess an easy comparison is I like internet that's responsive enough to get that single player game experience even in multi-player and I want my pages to load like I'm opening a file on my desktop.Not worried about download speed but just be reasonable I guess
>>109067974No such thing
>>109068050
I can get 25G down and up for 222$/month.Not sure what I would do with it though.
>>109067974I've had 1Gbps symmetrical for a decade or something now, honestly I have never felt the need for more. Even the very largest of my downloads completes in like 30 minutes. I don't even think about my internet speed anymore.
>>109073459I have 800mbit symmetrical. I'd love to have more. I could do a lot more piracy with more. But not having CGNAT would be more important than more speed.
>>109073466You're telling me that you consume so much media that downloading shit 24/7 over a 800Mbps connection cannot keep up? How is that even possible? Or are you just downloading random shit you'll never actually touch?
>>109073551It's not about consumption. It's about distribution.
Do you guys have 10 gigabit networks? Seems pretty expensive for a home network.
>>109073566No, 2.5 and 5 gbps are finally getting affordable, 10gbps should be too within 2-3 years.
>>109067974i have 5000/5000 but don't have any hosts with hardware that can do over 1000
>>109070638Most internet deployment technologies are asymmetric. DSL, DOCSIS, xPON are all asymmetric. Any symmetric xPON connections are either oversubscribed to shit, or very low bandwidth.
>>109073832Where I live GPON is mostly used and it's symmetric. All 3 major ISPs in the Philippines use it. My ISP just killed off the last of their DOCSIS networks and all the DVB-C cable TV too.
>>109073852So it's definitely oversubscribed. GPON is 2.5G/1.25G at best. If you want to see your full bandwidth you have to pray that you don't share your line with other power users.
>>109073871I highly suspect all my neighbors have the poor person prepaid plan.
>>109070940thats literally the thing stopping them from chimping out nigga
>>109070940Invade your home network and start causing trouble for you. Cause you see education level and tax bracket does not correlate with intelligence in all cases. It's not like I can't find rich people's information in infostealer logs. Ever heard of the concept of "street smarts"? A mf like you believes in IQ but you'd be scared shitless to step foot in Detroit. A mf like me takes advantage of people like you thinking you know everything there is to know about this world.
I think it's important to take this rant a step further. The rich and powerful invent shit like this as the software equivalent of jingling keys. To keep the underclasses distracted by pure nonsense. Their failsons and faildaughters don't have immunity to it though. Becoming an "influencer" is just an extension of the same dumb shit these people have always done. Spend your days clubbing. Do lots of drugs. Pretend as if you are someone valuable and important. There's just now one step removed. You don't need to beg the TMZ cameras to show up. You just broadcast it live from your iPhone.tl;dr rich people are worthless and the internet would actually be better without them. I'm no communist but every single last one of them deserves to be subjected to struggle sessions.
>>109073871It all depends on how it's provisioned.If you're splitting 2.5/1.25gbps with 4 or 8 other households, you'll rarely if ever run into congestion issues even if everyone has 1gbps plans since it's rare for people to actually use their internet 24/7/365.But yeah sure if your ISP is doing ~16:1 or 32:1 or 64:1 or even 128:1 connections per GPON, then sure you'll be limited in speeds significantly.My ISP offers 1gbps on GPON and 2.5gbps on NGPON2.
>>109073960My ISP does splits of 8
>>109067974It needs to match my ssd read/write speeds.
>>109067974I dunno bro. I pay next to nothing for this and it feels bretty gud. ($20/month no caps, no throttling. Upload speed will go up once I buy an external antenna)
>>109073566>Do you guys have 10 gigabit networks? Seems pretty expensive for a home network.just get the niggergiga 5 port switch and a dual 10gig pcie card for pfsense. that's $250
>>109073566Yeah, I do. I'm using 2nd hand enterprise SFP+ cards, they can be had for very little. Had to buy a small SFP+ switch which was the only major expense, IIRC even that was below $200 so it's not so bad.
>>109074035>5G>using phone internet
