why not paid email providers?
I still don't know why email needs to be any more complicated than IRC or torrents. But for some reason if I want to run my own mail server I'm supposed to run a VM and install some big package like MailCow that sets up a bunch of who knows what stuff for me. Just to send and receive data.
>>109074136I've been using fastmail for many years. They even let you set up static websites or park your domains included in the price. So far it's been a good service for me.
>>109074136Get rid of email altogether, make something new and let's call it Liam, and vibe coded it for the investors.
>>109074136>Why not pay to be surveiled and spied on?
Can't rely on them being available, if you somehow miss a payment your email is scrubbed and you're fucked sideways.
>>109074273Most retards cannot see, far less, comprehend that email is absolutely outdated and was merely a the update to the telephone and answering machine services; that its upgrade is ENCRYPTED instant MESSAGING. this is why it is essential to point out that OP is a retarded fag
>>109074416There aren't any networks that approach the decentralization of email except Matrix, and the devs behind it are extreme retards.
>>109074448Email is outdated, unencrypted trash. Encrypted instant messaging is the upgrade. Don't you get it? What does email do that encrypted instant messaging don't and cannot do, besides have retards use it as some social statement and marker of "professionalism"?
>>109074471>What does email do that encrypted instant messaging don't and cannot doopen standard that won't lock you in a wall garden and let's you switch provider however you like.checkmate.
>>109074136I have both a fastmail and protonmail subscriptionI am the goodest goy
>>109074289based fellow fastmail userI tried posteo and tuta and they were both shit in comparison
>>109074492That's exactly what email usage has done
>>109074471can't you just encrypt your email?
>>109076055You most certainly can, but it isn't by default and it works only if the ppl who know your encryption keys and you know theirs
>>109074492As far as the corporate world is concerned only gmail and icloud matter. Everything else is considered spam and "unprofessional". Especially if and when you don't use yourrealname@gmail.com.
>>109074416Emails decentralized setup is still the best example of federation. Im pretty sure mastdon/fediverse/bluesky are the improvements to email, built on the same concept as email, but with modern features.
>>109074416Congrats on being indian but what does that have to do with anything? Emails being easy to store independently for record keeping, allowing arbitrary file share, organizing conversations by topic and not by persons, and most importantly BEING IMMUTABLE is contrary to instant messaging.
>>109076073Anons need to make our own CA. Then we could confirm online psuedonames between each other, as well as do what you said and end2end encrypt anything on our own.
>>109076055Using PGP and signing your emails requires that others you email have your public encryption key and you have theirs for absolute private and secure communication. Encrypted instant messaging does this by default and the only reason email is still used today, aside from the "professionalism" pretentiousness, is so that the retards who use it can hide behind email. Most pretend they won't receive emails and they're so busy with other things that they didn't have time to check, which allows them spitefully drag their feet. They don't comprehend that the same can be done in encrypted instant messengers, ESPECIALLY the ones you self host.>>109076130Email is NOT decentralized>>109076141Please see >>109074471>>109076145Encrypted instant messaging has already accomplished this
when FAANG shuts you out because your shit doesn't end in gmail.com or icloud or whatever they Del acceptable, then talk about IMMUTABLE
>hey send me that receipt and email confirmation straight to me SimpleX "number"/address that's encrypted and connected to my own onion server.KYC? Why not ask for my ENCRYPTED instant messenger address that's private, secure and (for the most part) anonymous, instead of my email that's tied to my ID? how are you morons incapable of reading this play?
email is primarily just used for subscription services, any way.
>>109076229Precisely and those notifications and alerts from subscription services is exactly what ad agencies like google realy on to spy, snoop, track and trace to sell your data, because your identity is attached. Or is the most outrageously retarded thing anyone could use in 2026.
>>109076158> Email is NOT decentralizedWhat do you mean? Its federated. Which is a type of decentralization. Pic rel separated distributed for somereason, but distributed is another type of decentralized network. The multi-spoke-and-wheel topology is federated. > encrypted instant messaging has already accomplishedCan you send an encrypted message from telegram to a whatsapp user? Then no. We need a third party protocol and trust system. This is how http/s and any other internet service works. For the trust system, we need a public blockchain for anons to add public keys to, in order to confirm and self encrypt anything. If that was possible, nearly any functioning protocol would work, given an inclusion of that independant trust network.
>>109076242If it isn't self hosted, IT IS NOT DECENTRALIZED
>>109076249But you can self host email? And your definition is wrong.
>>109076158>illiterate>no argumentHow's the weather in hyderabad?
>>109076242We need an encrypted protocol that ANYONE can self host to communicate on, instantly. A protocol that has absolute privacy and security.>>109076257>>109074273
>>109074136>why not paid email providers?Because for most people, that's equivalent to paying for the privilege of clocking into work. I didn't want to be here, I was only doing it because you made it mandatory. If you ask me to pay then you can forget the whole thing and go fuck yourself and also suck my nuts bitch
>>109074136gmail free and it's all gay anyway
>>109074136Glownigger input/output opinion harvesting thread. I won't be part of your research study group, faggot
>>109076242>>109076141>>109076130>>109076055>>109074448Focus group faggots in this thread. Don't feed them
>>109074416>Most retards cannot see, far less, comprehend that email is absolutely outdated and was merely a the update to the telephone and answering machine servicesYou're giving "most retards" too much credit, they only think about their email when they are expecting a specific message, and reading it is a huge chore for them. Most normies have like 10,000 unread messages in their inbox. They certainly don't contemplate the technology behind the scenes. They have absolutely zero opinion about whether email is outdated or not.
Spam blocklist providers function as extortionists and will just any new email provider to their lists then demand "consulting fees" to be removed. Gmail uses their own internal blocklist so they aren't affected by this, but a lot of corporate email servers and even Microsoft's hosted email services sometime use these lists. If you're on one of these lists, your emails to your local governments, companies, etc. may get automatically binned as spam.
>>109076093>yourrealname@gmail.com>he thinks gmail looks professionalHello to you in Mumbai, sar
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>>109074136That seems cucked.>option A: free mail, they harvest your data and sell it>option B: paid mail, they harvest your data and sell itWhat are you even paying for anyway?
>>109074416so when the fuck are you going to quit complaining & install Arcanechat? My wigga, email can literally BE that shit. It aint a competition between email and IM.Arcanechat is way better at it than whatever the fug else & bonus is that literally everbody has email. not everybody has whats-ass, but erry wigga on the block and his grandmother got at least 5 email addresses.
>>109076948In case of Fastmail, if your account gets compromised somehow, you can call them and a human will answer and do identity verification to restore access. You can basically never reach a person at Google for account recovery unless you were doing $5M+ quarterly on AdSense spend though that account.
>>109077069>>109076927>>109076934Do not feed the data harvesters
>>109077115buy an ad, faggot
>paying for email
>>109077175that's what I'm telling you, genius
>>109077529you are paying for email one way or another
>>109074136"If I’m not mistaken, this provider gave away customer info and allowed a hacker to reset a password via social engineering. I saw posts about it on the orange website a couple of years ago. When it comes to internet services, you want ABSOLUTELY ZERO human interaction because, on paper, these things are very secure. The weakest link in them is human error.
>>109074136I use it, prolly the best out there>muh security emails are NEVER secure you retards, the ones claim are literal honeypots, best you do gpg and still leaks your mom IP and meta datajust don't use it for too personal stuff and forward the convo to more secure protocol if ever needed
>>109074273getting trusted by other companies to not be a spam sender is probably the hard part>>109074289basically this
>>109074289agree, have had them for at least ten years. superior service. gmail is only for making accounts on shitty sites
Why not just paid plan of gmail or outlook?
>>109076038tuta is an NSA honeypot anyway, good thing you skipped it>>109074289didnt know they let you host static websites, pretty good attention to detail on their end.>>109074411it's not like they'll nuke it all after you miss a single payment. even google doesnt nuke your shit for over a month after stopping google one sub.>>109074471Entirely agreed.>>109076093Just no.>>109076199I love what SimpleX is building but they really need to improve on the outbound API. Programmatically sending a message in SimpleX is done by calling into their cli application.>>109082239Because they think it is a feature to AI scan and summarize your emails. Creepy as fuck.
>>109074136why not self hosting emails and only paying for email aliasing so you don't scare corpos too much?
>>109082372Because there's a whole web of trust system so your IP will be marked as untrustworthy and all your mails will be going straight to spam.
>>109074448>>109074492>>109076130Did you all heard about XMPP?
>>109074136the situation is so bad
>>109082353I self host. I run by own SimpleX servers
>>109076038> I've been using fastmail for many years. - Can you manage multiple inboxes, each with their own custom domain, with one account?- How does it run using external mail applications like Thunderbird or Apple Mail?
>>109076229How do you talk to people?
>>109084650- one inbox, but you can automatically file email from different email addresses into different folders or labels (you pick the organizing strategy)- works fine if you choose folders (like IMAP) rather than labels (like gmail); not sure if labels will fuck things up
>>109084650oh, and yeah, I have a bunch of custom domains in use already
>>109082403doesnt aliasing take care of that?
>>109086171You wish, but nope. Everything sucks.
IM does not replace email it's two totally different things. IM means you send an instant message to a person who is online right now. Email you send a message to someone to read later.
>>109074416Face it, he was right
Just set up my own email server with iRedMail. I guess you can't practically use email without exposing your ip? There has to be some way.
>>109087407Precisely
>>109076093This and outlook (or hotmail for the boomers). I keep a Gmail for banking and government stuff for this reason
What advantages are there to using Fastmail over Proton? Are there any differences in their products, reliability etc? And no, I am not interested in muh proton muh honeypot sperg-outs.
>>109089507fastmail was better about custom domains when i chose between them 8 years ago but i forgot the details
>>109089977found it>https://proton.me/mail/pricing5€ per month -> 1 custom domain13€ per month -> 3 custom domains>https://www.fastmail.com/pricing/5€ per month -> custom domains supported, googled it and apparently the limit is 100also, i don't know the details but it seems like proton has restrictions on how many names on your domain you can send mail as>https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/284483-proton-mail-calendar/suggestions/36214159-send-from-any-address-of-custom-domains-if-catch-afastmail in comparison lets you type what you like in [name]@mydomain.tld for wildcard/catchall addressesalso also, proton's 5€ plan has>10 hide-my-email aliasesthat sounds equivalent to fastmail's masked email feature which i think is unlimited, it doesn't show a count but i have screenfuls of them
>>109074273Any dick head can setup an IRC server. But the major IRC servers don't have to trust you they can force you to jump through their hoops before you can post.Email is the same.
>>109090067>hide-my-email aliasesI was thinking of getting proton $13 for the hide-my-email aliases unlimited to make an alias for each website I useBut I am worried about if proton going down in the future or something happening to them that I'd want to change I'd be stuck with their alias for every website lolI can use a custom domain but that defeats the purpose of privacy for portablility
>>109089977Die out
>>109074136I would pay for mail but not more $10 per year.with the prices most of these services have I can set my own VPS. fuck this overpriced bs.
>>109089507>And no, I am not interested in muh proton muh honeypot sperg-outs.You know Fastmail is Australian, right? Swiss honeypots have nothing on that.>>109090067>also also, proton's 5€ plan has>>10 hide-my-email aliasesSimpleLogin (fuck Proton for buying them out) will give you unlimited aliases for $35/year
