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>>109075459

>>109075460
>if even the EU itself is corrupt
the EU was corrupt from day fucking 1 what fantasy were they living in?

>>109075459
get those millions of petition signers to donate $20 to fund paying off the EU.

oh wait, reddit upvoters wont actually put money where their mouths are.

>welost
not a fan of his art

You deserve it for being annoying on the internet

>>109075478
I bet you kiss stallions, fag

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>>109075460
>goycattle becomes aware of the function of government for the first time in their life
>>109075468
all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.

>>109075620
nog, we're talking about the E fucking U do you even understand where it came from?

>>109075459
>They believed in (((democracy)))

Rookie mistake

>>109075620
All government is corrupt.

>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.
Democracy is rule by majority consensus. How do you think majority consensus is reached, or made, especially these days? Exactly. Perhaps the entire modern idea of "democracy" is what's absurd.

>>109075460
>because 1m people out of a population 743.7 million didn't get to unilaterally decide for the other 742.7m people, that means democracy (the exact opposite of this scenario) is dead!
manchildren throwing a temper tantrum at being told "no, you can't just arbitrarily steal the hard work of others"

>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.
Democracy is necessarily corrupt, because the "rulers" are only in charge for four to eight years and need a plan for their life beyond that.
They are, by design, susceptible to corruption. Just promise them a cozy job after their term is over.
They also have no accountability. They don't land in jail when their decisions make the country worse.

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>>109075460
The big corpos want to kill their competition, and that is what most regulations are about. Big corpos want to drown small corpos with paperwork and taxes and rules and regulations. Do you really not want indie devs to even try making a online game, that might get no players and they will be forced to pay for the maintenance of?? There are worse things in gaming, like on disc dlc, drm, the game you bought does not run on your pc, spyware, and sneaky f2p practices that targets children.

>>109075460

Have these mouth breathers ever experienced a restaurant closure? How stupid do they have to be to expect that the restaurant will post its recipes online for someone else to use?

Don’t fucking Play the live service games to begin with if you’re afraid of them vanishing. Holy shit I’m so glad the incoming 18 year olds are largely republicans

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I don't give a shit, you fags should stop playing video games like little children nonetheless

>>109075459
bootlicker
>>109075475
>just pay corrupt politicians to vote your way
you deserve a noose

>>109075459
post the link, coward

>>109075459
the nigger who ran the petition frontloaded the shill spam with his video on how he intends the movement to go forward which has still been in accordance to his master plan. irregardless of that it does not matter if poojeets and contrarians wish to demuddify the waters because popular support is no longer needed at this stage of the movement. the ball is already rolling and little shits who see the voice changer faggot in themselves can't do anything about it.

>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then
Yes.
t. Plato

>>109075459
Dissolve the EU and each country will return to sovereignty. Problems all solved.
I never understood how Europeans were fooled into forming & joining the EU in the first place, actually. That is the dumbest move since the guy with the funny mustache thought it was a good idea to invade Russia.

>>109075676
>stealing the hard work of others
Wasn't the entire point preventing corpos from stealing your money and the product you already bought?

>>109075459
>>109075460
When will you losers learn that that you need to start killing people if you want any changes to happen?

Democracy doesnt exist in the west. Only killing.

But you wont cause you’re little pussies.

>>109075459
Good. We don't need more useless regulations to stifle innovation and entrepreneurship.

What? The EU didn't drastically change copyright law and obliterate the software market because whiney gamers signed a petition? Who would have guessed

>>109075844
Where in the bill does it say this shill moron?

All your points have been debunked multiple times. Fuck you and "people" like you

>>109076100
Just don't buy it, duh. I wasted 0 money on games that require online.

If people don't like always online games then they shouldn't buy them

>>109076169
Same.
I don't play online games in general.

But a corpo shouldn't be able to disable my purchase remotely. Unless they're making it very clear (like front and center) that I'm just temporarily renting the product, which none of them really do.

>>109075460
>democracy
lmao

>>109076120

You guys are so funny.

>>109076100
the point of the movement was trying to maliciously conflate what you bought with something else. You buy a license to access the game servers via the client for as long as the servers are active, and the movement was about trying to change this to mean "you bought a copy (not license) of the game servers"

>>109076105
what's your kill count?

>>109076216

Couldn’t Steam disable purchases remotely someday if it were ever acquired by another entity? Not saying the successor ever would obviously, but that thousand dollar Steam library the typical /g/oober has is a bunch of licenses. It’s not actual copies of the game.

>early 2000's
>Steam arrives, what kind of bullshit is this?
>can't play your own games unless online, don't get a physical copy you can re-sell, bad deal for customers all around
>every retard is praising it because "DUDE I DON'T NEED TO PUT CD-ROM IN DRIVE TO INSTALL!!!!"
>Tell people they will regret it later on since they don't actually own shit
>"ENJOY YOUR SHELF FULL OF PLASTIC DUDE!"
>20 years later
>people are begging the government to make companies stop ending live-service games because they are sad about losing the games they enjoy
No sympathy for anyone on this. I warned everyone over 20 years ago to not give away their rights, and they pointed and laughed and happily gave away ownership of their games. This is the future you chose retards. The time to fight this battle was 20 years ago when companies were first trying this shit. Too little too late now.
Self-inflicted wound.

>>109076366
>Couldn’t Steam disable purchases remotely someday if it were ever acquired by another entity?
Sure (the ones that can't start without the steam DRM at least).
And that's my point, they shouldn't be able to legally do it.

>>109076366
Yes. Even then, Steam doesn't have to do it. The publishers themselves can revoke your license key and have the game removed from your library.

>>109076300
Doesn't matter, you never technically "own a copy" of any media.
You aren't actually buying a Batman movie, you're buying a license to watch a blu ray under certain circumstances (privately).

Shit like Warber Bros remotely disabling your blu ray and forcing you to buy the newest Batman Reboot DVD wouldn't fly.

>>109075459
Piracy it is then.

>>109075459
Got any sources on this?

>>109076480

It wouldn’t really be possible either. I can still watch VHS tapes I have from the 90s for free since the VCR can’t connect to the Internet. Good luck trying to disable that.

>>109076450

Seriously? Damn. Has this happened before?

>FUD thread 543234#

>>109076094
>Dissolve the EU and each country will return to sovereignty. Problems all solved.
What problem exactly?

>>109076502
Indeed, and back then Hollywood lobbied SO HARD to make VHS tapes illegal. They lost and that set a precedent.
But don't be mistaken, they would absolutely disable copies and force you to buy them again if they could.

>>109076404
I think even 2000s games that have (had) online multiplayer servers would fall under the thing that Stop Killing Games wanted to do, which is if a game company kills the server and renders their product unplayable (whether you have a CD rom or a digital copy), then they have to release the server tools for the game to allow people to continue playing the game.

Whether or not you own a CD rom of the game in the modern era isn't irrelevant for what they were trying to achieve. In the case of digital media you literally have the damn game, with all it's excessive space, installed on your PC. It's no different to having a physical copy when the game company decides 'fuck you' and pulls the plug on the server, rendering the game unplayable.

>>109075459
>things that never happened: the communist mental breakdown thread
very cool, vladimir.

>>109076490
>sources
methamphetamine. the same schizo has been spamming v and g with same shit for months because his favorite youtube lolcow committed career suicide. i'd be surprised if it wasn't jason lolcow hall spamming the boards.

>>109075459
Oh no, not my heckin bing bing wahoos! I can't find it in me to get worked up about this thing. No game I would ever play is affected by this at all. Nothing would be "saved" and nothing would be prevented from being created if it had passed and made things expensive or whatever the opponents say. That and... it's fucking videogames man who gives a shit.

>>109076542
>That and... it's fucking videogames man who gives a shit.
I do

>>109076480
False equivalence. Nothing stops you from booting up the client, you just can't access a dead server.

>>109076542
Hi Jason. How's the trash game you're working on? still fucking shit?

>>109076534
Other than MMORPGs(which I also told people to stay away from), every other early 2000's game that had multiplayer would include the server hosting software with the game. This was before ranked match-making, back when every game used server browsers and most servers were hosted by random people.
>no difference between physical copy and downloaded!
No, there is a clear difference. You can re-sell a physical copy of things, you can't re-sell your digital copy. The solution to companies selling DVD's that don't contain the full playable game would have been to stop buying games from companies not selling DVD's that contain the full playable game. We had it prior to the internet, people chose to let it go in favor of convenience.

>>109075460
career politicans were a mistake

the government, instead of the tax payer, being responsible for tax collection was a mistake

let's fix these problems so things can get better, before we get even more rounds of "age verification to protect muh childrinz and to protect democracy"

>>109076550
Pretty sure they weren't asking companies to keep servers running forever. That would be retarded.
Just give customers a way to run the game locally when the official servers shut down.

>>109076510
Pretty sure it happened not that long ago with an Italian soulslike. A local youtuber reviewed the game, he didn't like it, and they removed it from his library.
Very bad publicity.

>>109076284
>supports pedos
>0 arguments

>>109076592
And the companies presented many reasons why this doesn't work as a blanket fix all games just to deal with the few predatory singleplayer-with-forced-online instances where the customer is better served just not buying those games in the first place, and the EU is agreeing that this hamfisted "solution" isn't viable.

>>109076655
>this doesn't work as a blanket fix
But they weren't asking for a blanket fix, it didn't even concern past/current games.
They were asking to develop future online games, from now on, with the premise of eventually releasing an offline patch or a tool to run the server locally, but only when official support naturally dies down the line.

>>109076562
>Other than MMORPGs(which I also told people to stay away from)
I don't mean to sound combatant, but most people really like large scale, multiplayer games. It's why the market is completely saturated with them, why like 90% of the biggest games are big multiplayer ones. Convenience is a smaller part of this than you think. Singleplayer games are really in the minority of games right now, and singleplayer games are the only ones that don't suffer from 'the game is dead when the game company pulls the plug'.

It wouldn't matter if games companies still sold DVD's. Even if you could resell them while the game was still online (Which you often couldn't because of CD keys linked to the copy you had), the game company turning the game servers off is what kills the game. Whether you're left with a useless file or a useless DVD, it doesn't really matter because neither has the server infrastructure on it.

>>109075460
imagine believing in muh dickmocracy

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>Surely if we get our little votes and do our little exposé then these demented, bought and out of touch politicians will care about our video games!

Anyone who thinks the European Union gives a shit about people is about to get a reality check. Any good thing that came out of it was incidental in the pursuit of power and control.

>>109076739
Hi Jason. How's the mental breakdown going? Not well?

>>109075460
Imagine if all those people got together to make the games they wanted to play forever

>>109076592
>Just give customers a way to run the game locally when the official servers shut down.
Which was always impossible because most games rely on licensed middleware with limited rights and licensing periods. Game studios themselves are in the exact same situation as the players, in that they're licensing another product to make their products work. You'd have to destroy the licensing model altogether, which would collapse any modern economy because that's 99% of B2B. The only alternative would be game companies to not license everything and develop everything in-house, which is going to slow down development even more and kill middleware. It was always a retarded idea.

>>109076404
The funny thing is you're talking about video games while the Patriot Act has eroded actual liberties and freedoms for decades

>>109075956
>>just pay corrupt politicians to vote your way
That's how the world actually works you naive faggot

>>109075874
>GTA
>For children
Tell me you enjoy pleasuring cocks without telling me you enjoy pleasuring cocks

>>109076763
>most games rely on licensed middleware
Such as?

>>109076728
I'd agree with you, except for all the 'dead' games fans have managed to bring back to life. The servers for Resident Evil Outbreak have been offline for about 20 years, but fans have managed to make a functioning server and you can play it online again. Hell, people even got back their old characters in City of Heroes on private servers after someone got ahold of the database and the server software.
Being live-service or an MMORPG doesn't mean a game has to die once a company no longer can make a profit off of it. Fans have proven time and again they are willing to pay the hosting costs and run their own servers to keep their favorite games alive.

>>109075459
They are too busy censoring the internet and banning VPN

>>109076680
>all games from now on MUST be developed specifically in this rigid format
>not a blanket application
this is why your movement died, welcome to reality, nobody cares if you disagree

God bless Kaja Kallas and ChairWOMAN Von der LION.
We can't let this Russian law pass.

>>109076810
Not my movement, I never played online games. Not interested.

But it's not unreasonable and entirely feasible.
Autists were able to resurrect all sorts of online games, even stuff that almost entirely relies on server-side shit to function.
The main challenge isn't even the lack of official tools to do so, it's publishers trying to fuck them in the ass when they do.

>>109075459
Good. This was the most annoying reddit shit ever. Im glad redditors are crying.

>>109076889
people who didn't have to concern themselves with the legality of licensing, yes, businesses are not basement hobbyists

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>>109076922
Still waiting for examples.

>>109075459
Good, sanity prevailed.

its over

>>109076810
>all games from now on MUST be developed specifically in this rigid format
Where does it say ALL games?
Not only does it not say that but there are clear exceptions.

>>109076776
>that game you played when you were 11 years old
>for children
You scorched him, bud!

>>109076776
>said the manchild

Oh the goyim still believe in muh democracy huh? That's cute.
>rolls over and goes back to sleep

>>109075735
>that might get no players and they will be forced to pay for the maintenance of
Again, for all the retards like this nigger, companies aren't forced to pay for the maintenance of anything, just make it so the game can be played, like releasing community servers for the community to host and maintain. You fucking retard.

>>109076970
Before someone starts arguing with this anon in bad faith - live service that are sold as such will remain exception
It's not just about ownership but also about empowering consumer with info what they are getting into

>>109076914
This. I'll suck a thousand Jewish cocks and swallow their superior semen before I'll support a Redditor.

>>109076450
>>109076623
I thought you got to keep Steam games even if they were removed. I can still download UberStrike and MapleStory 2 for example

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>>109075459
>no source just bullshit
eu chads just keep winning it seems

>>109077138
It only ever happened to a few multiplayer titles or games with malware. Of course games without singleplayer are an automatic death sentence hence SKG

>>109077241 (Me)
I meant games with an online requirement, not without singleplayer

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niggers

>>109077439
Thank you xittersisters for Fact Checking, I'm sure there is still hope and we will be able to play goyslop warfare forever and ever!

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>>109075459
glad to see this fail, i got harassed very badly when i said that im against this movement

>>109077469
based blizzard worker

>>109075459
Mr. Bond ft. Dido #racist
(Lyrics to song "Dear Donald", by Mr. Bond and Dido). ... it's parasites like you who force us into voting with our rifle I tore all your pictures down and put one of Hitler up P.S.: looking forward to the war, we'll fuck all you bitches up.

>>109075459
Hey, I know that guy, isn't his father working at Nintendo?
I also heard he's a fucking loser of biblical proportion.

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>>109077640
everyone knows that the only losers are the people who obsess over that freak

>>109075459
Stopkillinggames is not good for shareholder value, and shareholders are the ones who pull the strings of the politico class.
Anyone who thought things would change is genuinely delusional.

>>109075459
Stupid, balding and ugly as fuck, do you have anything going for you, OP? End it tonight if possible, with a rope.

>>109077645
I know right? Why so concerned then, loser?

>>109077646
MR. ADVERTISER GET DOWN

>>109076763

You might have to dumb this down further for the audience here. Do you think welfare recipients here knows what “B2B” and “middleware” mean?

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>>109077685
thats rich coming from a lolcow obsessed imbecile who spent last summer harassing everyone

>>109077469

High five. I thought it was stupid reddit moment too.

>>109077646
yeah that's what you have

>>109076763
Jee, I wonder who created those limited time licensing periods and limited rights contracts.

>>109077747
Did I? Loser.

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silly goymers

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>Great credentials

>>109075468
People have up their national sovereignty so that some faceless bureaucrats could make up the laws in Brussels instead of the local politicians they voted for.
The EU has been a scam from the start

>>109075459
Corporations only understand extreme violence. Their shills must get their hands and tongues cut and nailed to their skulls.

>>109075460
This has to be another Mutt or Indian Canadian or some shit like that. There is NO fucking way this cretin has ever lived in the EU.

>>109077898
I'm not saying anything and I'm not calling for anything.
But Sam Altman definitely reacted when those molotovs flew through his window. You can't tell me that doesn't influence his future decisions.

>>109075460
>muh circuses have fallen, billions must revolt

>>109075459
>>109075460
I agree with StopKillingGames but god Redditors are pathetic.
>muh status quo
>muh democracy
>how could this happen to us!?
Was it really a surprise? You put up a good fight that even united all parties. The system gave you it's answer.
On that note, instead of continuing to pester the government or clinging to whatever party listens to your cause why not turn this into a movement for gamers to have some standards for the slop they consume.
>>109076925
Based

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>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.
How does that follow?

Switzerland just has direct democratic votes. They're binding though tempered by the majority of the representatives of its member states (cantons).

But also it's not something these member states/cantons usually use except to very much represent their member state/cantons at least.

>>109075620
bravo, you have caught up with 2.5k years of euro thought (plato), now what cunt?

>>109075460
Are they alleging each of these politicians are directly receiving private funding to make this decision?

Normies find out democracy is a meme, 2026

>>109075844
>Holy shit I’m so glad the incoming 18 year olds are largely republicans
That's not even remotely true. Young white males are slightly more likely to be Republican than previous generations but it's not by that much and the trend seems to be swinging back. Women and blacks are almost 100% Democrat and hispanics are now also trending Democrat.

You basically have to be an exceptionally stupid good goy to still be Republican.

>>109076118
Gamers in general are exceptionally retarded.

>>109075459
>ITT: nu-/g/ not knowing what the difference between "EU" and "EU Commission" is.

>>109075459
YEAH
FUCK THE CONSUMER SLOPPERS
ALL POWER TO THE EPSTEIN GANG GANG

>>109075460
>over million people signed the petition
These petition sites should be used as IQ test, whoever votes on a petition is considered sub 90iq, whoever creates one is considered sub 80iq

>>109076094
You'd like that, huh, Cletus, or should I call Ivan?
Shlomo?

FUCK THOSE EIGHT MONTH OF HARD WORK AND ALL THE ONE POINT THREE MILLION IDIOTS


ONE DAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TALK WITH CORPO SHITHEADS

AND YOU KNOW YOUR PLACE
SO SHUT UP AND CONSUM CONSUM CONSUM
YOU PIG

>>109075460
>skg is pro-democracy
Wtf I support killing games now?

>>109079080
This wasn't a fucking change.org petition. Citizen's initiatives are an established tool of direct democracy and they must be acted upon by EU if they pass the thresholds (declining is also acting on them).

>>109075617
>>109075459
This is how imagine you look like.

high five guys! now all those games will die! this is an absolute win. i love it when my favorite games stop working for no reason!

>>109077766
you are correct.

so anyways, ross already said the commission will do this, and says their choice is irrelivant because the commission isn't needed and was made up of corporate shills anyways.

eu parliment will be used instead, where SKG has majority support. they already saw the eu commission was having private meetings and pivoted. existing laws will be modified to fit this use case. anyone spreading information about "SKG is over! the eu commission killed it!" is just lying or uninformed.
https://youtu.be/CgoODQFrPgw?t=732

>>109078088
Consider the scale, even ancient athenian demos rested on the idea of a quasi-aristocratic ingroup of qualified voters to enact anything that required consensus and long term planning.
The swiss are a small, culturally distinct and deeply educated nation so an exceptional degree of democratic participation leads to further education and more pragmatic policy than would otherwise be possible with a wild herd of conflicting interests, cultures, stages of development, dangers, advantages, disadvantages, goals etc. like the EU.
Representative democracy is absolutely essential to the survival of the EU until a high enough degree of cross cultural assimilation is achieved (which is already in the works, a teenager from lisbon is not much diffrent from a teenager from helsinki)
>>109076925
This entire shitpost rests on the idea that influence over culture is purely a function of capital which is a pretty infantile communist belief that fell out the window 70 years ago. Second and third paragraphs are also pretty easily disregarded by providing the world's most obvious counterexamples that only a deranged /pol/ schizo would omit. Overall 5/10 for effort, 1/10 for merit

>>109080134
>be possible
*be impossible
Plebean populist decadence will stew in it's impotency while democracy will prevail

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>>109075567

don't talk shit about my centaur wife

>>109075459
games have been dead since the moment they stopped releasing them on cartridges.

>>109076094
Nobody was ever consulted on forming the EU. It was done with zero input from the people.

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>>109075460
> StopKillingGames
> StartKillingPoliticians

>>109075460
Imagine ever having thought the EU is democratic lmao. The people you vote for aren't even the ones writing the laws. It's literal Jewish theater.

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I just want

LAN Server capacity for my video games.
That I own. With my money.

>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.
How is it absurd? Do you even understand how politics work? Democracy is nothing but a carrot being dangled in front of the masses by the oligarchs and the rich.

I solved this by not buying games.

>>109076958
>said the 4chan poster

I get people who don’t really give a shit about any of this, but i cannot fathom what kind of fucking corpoghoul you have to be to actively be against this. What do people think they are gaining from corporate and political bootlicking?

>>109079342
>this is not a change.org petition
Yes, it's the EUs copy of change.org.

You will realize that change.org petitions are in fact more effective than ECIs, because they at least sometimes do something, while ECIs were always a scam.

kek, get fucked gaymers

>>109079714
>i love it when my favorite games stop working for no reason!
If you have a favorite game that is <10yo, you are the problem.
>noooo, my globohomo propaganda goyslop stopped working

>>109075620
>all democracy is corrupt then, which is absurd.
Welcome to the real world, retard.

>>109076100
Yes.

>>109076300
No.

stop killing games is retarded. entitled redditor shit.

Why should data that has near infinite replication and not tied to a singular physical medium last a shorter amount of time than something that is tied to a single physical medium?

>>109082302
It's paid shills.
It's same shitposters who get paid by Rothschilds to shit on Valve since the lawsuit.

>>109083134
>exchange money for product
>product is taken away from you
>"you're just entitled"
Yes, for the product I paid for.

>>109083150
Stop buying dogshit

>>109083173
>company does something deceptive and scummy that should be illegal
>"you should've known"
This kind of mentality does nothing but promote piracy to never risk your money on digital products.

>>109082302

I’d replace “against” with “ridiculous.” The people who you think against this initiative are instead mocking it because they’ve already realized it isn’t a viable idea. Sure, it’d be great if you got the ability to play your live service games after they close down. A company isn’t gonna want to compete with their own closed down live service game for your attention though.

This initiative is about as useful as a proposition 65 warning. I will continue to mock its existence. Louis Rossman sperging out over his Solid State Drive is more compelling than this.

>>109083150
>you MUST keep spending money to keep this game online for 30 years because I paid $50 in 2005
you're fucking retarded dude.

>>109083187
Maybe they should do what companies were already doing 30 years ago then, hence why I can still play old copies of games regardless of if the developers are still making money or have been dead for years.

>>109083198
then maybe you should only play single player games fucking dumb faggot. no one is under any obligation to continue running servers for you for 25 years when 90% of the playerbase has moved on with their life.

Is Stop Killing Games the 2026 version of “Occupy Wall Street?” Who here remembers that stupid initiative?

>>109083214
And you can have that while also allowing people to buy your game to continue playing it.
I can load up Quake and Unreal right now and get a game with a mildly filled server. Hell, I can load up Saints Row 2 right now and play multiplayer even though Volition is dead.

>>109083150
>>exchange money for goyslop
thats what you did wrong

>>109075676
A few dozen unelected people deciding for 700M is much better..

>>109083221
That's a cool story, but no one is or should be under any obligation to host servers for your 30 year old game. And in fact digital extreme doesnt host unreal servers because that would be fucking stupid. No one takes this retarded shit seriously except youtube grifters, I'm sorry.

>I bought a car in 2008 it HAS to run forever or im being heckin genocided
This is legitimately how stupid and entitled you sound to rational people

>>109083265
And no one is saying that the devs themselves have to host the servers, just allow the community to do so. Why strawman something that has been said in clear english over and over again?

>>109083281
>give us your heckin IP chud
No

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Best outcome.
The only thing that can possibly mobilize people or get them interested in politics any way, is for them to lose their entertainment.
People need to be uncomfortable without possibility of escapism in order to start giving the faintest of fucks about the world around them.
Perhaps all of those EU dick sucking retards will now start reconsidering the viability of having a bunch of unelected cunts making decisions for everyone.
EU needs to fucking dissolve or at bare minimum return to being just an economic free trade zone with free movement.

>>109083214
Almost all multiplayer games made over 15 years ago are still fully functional. Corporations just made up imaginary problems and ways to deliberately brick people's games so that they're forced to buy new ones because, guess what, people mostly play older games if they're given the choice so new games don't sell unless you make an artificial way for them to stop working.

>>109075459
Can anyone explain to me on what basis SKG thinks they can pass an amendment to the Digital Fairness Act or not? Having just the support of the European Parliament isn't enough. At least the support of the Council of the European Union is required, with the European Commission being able to make that more difficult if they want to. Although it seems that most laws in the EU are adopted in the first reading in a trilogue between the three of these parties, so it seems like it's all down to negotiations rather than strict procedures.

>>109083121
too bad the government disagrees with you! Go ahead and throw another tantrum about it

gamingcattle utterly BTFO

>>109083308
>unelected cunts
how are they unelected? they're proposed by the eu council and confirmed by the eu parliament
it is fairly similar to how parliamentary republics work, in which the head of government (and the head of the executive branch) is called Prime Minister and elected by the national parliament by a majority vote among the members of parliament

>>109083556
The government disagrees with making a new law because there's already an existing law they'll just amend. There's no need for any new law to be made when existing laws can be clarified and enforced.

>>109083150
>exchange money for license to access online offsite server for an indefinite amount of time
>misinterpret this as having access forever because you lack critical thinking skills to differentiate this from a fully offline singleplayer game or other form of fully offline media
>shockedpikachu when eventually the offsite server shuts down and your non-perpetual license to access it doesn't function anymore
this is a you problem, and the EU government agrees

>>109083784
sure, sure. And when that doesn't happen your crying and tantrum throwing will be just as cringy to watch then, too

>>109083784
the eu parliament cannot amend already existing laws (in the sense that they were already passed) unilaterally, they can only amend laws (bills, if you will) at the time they're being passed, when they're pending

Is Jason the greatest vidya developer of all time?

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>>109077883
>The EU has been a scam from the start
It always was

>>109083150
Nobody forced you to buy AAAslop 2023 edition for 80 EUR (equivalent to 70 USD because fuck you that's why) from a company you KNEW would fuck you over. Vote with your wallet.

>>109077453
If you knew anything about politics you'd understand one failure means jack fucking shit.

>>109083828
>FUCK YOU HAHAHA FUCK YOU I HATE YOU
Go step on a lego faggot. It's the dumbest fucking argument going around.
Why? Because it will happen you to and you will be an absolute bitch about it
>I'm so smart
You aren't.

>>109084090
The thing is I'm fine with the way the model works. I'm intelligent enough to identify games and understand if I'll be able to play them in 20 years or if I'm not, and purchase accordingly. Extra government regulation for a nonissue is something I'll never appreciate or welcome. If you feel my disagreeance is a personal attack that just tells me you need to get some thicker skin.

>>109075460
that they ever thought this would succeed is the height of naivety. fools who don't know how the world works

>>109083187
False equivalence.
>we don't want to support this game anymore
>should we do the decent thing and patch it for offline play and private servers?
>nah fuck em

>>109084177
No, no company should be expected to put out a separate product just to sunset their original product.
What the EU should do is empower people to legally crack and reverse engineer games. Piracy is the only thing that can keep your games playable, and it has a working track record of 40+ years. But the EU cuck won't ask for more rights because rights come with responsibilities, and he is deathly afraid of those.

>>109083532
there is no basis in that

SKG is just an EU shilling campaign now. Their lifestream was hosted by a German EU parliament member from the same party Von der Leyen is from.

>>109084277
>no company should be expected to put out a separate product just to sunset their original product
They should. It doesn't have to be a separate product. All they need to do is release an offline patch or server software.

>>109075460
Funniest thing about these screechers is muh signatures and waah EU. Signatures did exactly what they were supposed to do, bring it into discussion, it was discussed and verdict was given. It getting to point where its discussed doesn't mean its going to do something. Also ~1.5m signatures is fucking nothing in EU terms as as much they try to frame it with gamers vs games industry, EU handles things from perspective of everyone, meaning if something goes into EU laws/rules, its going to be everyones problem.

Other part is whole gamers vs games industry, this whole framing is so fucking naive shit. Moment you bring into shitfest AAA studios, that means you are going to bring in music licencing, which means you have now brought in recording/record/music industry and that shitshow you aren't going to win in any manner any day until there are so many anticorruption mechanisms in place that politician cannot even pick up coin from street without it going into investigation where that coin came from (although there being coin for picking up already means there aren't jews nearby, so that is improvement in itself).

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>>109084416
>EU handles things from perspective of everyone
No, lol, they don't.
Von der Leyens backroom deals with Pfizer, who we aren't even allowed to talk about, and the roastie in the EU parliament, that even got convicted for corruption and still kept being part of the parliament, say enough. The EU is corrupt to the core.

SKG fully played into the hands of the EU oligarchs. Before SKG, the "Citizen Initiatives" got laughed at, everybody considered them (rightfully) a play-pretend tool that only exists to make the pleb think he has something to say.
Thanks to SKG, the ridiculous believe, that the EU would be a democracy, got propagandized. Millions of zoomers now believe that lie. And NOW SKG is STILL doing propaganda for corrupt oligarchs, by pretending that the EU parliament would have power to make laws (lol) and that the Digital Fairness Act would be good (its a fucking internet censorship act!) and could be ammended to save muh vidya goyslop.

Not a single person from SKG ever looked at how previous "successful" ECIs ended. There was the "One of Us" ECI, which was the first actual ECI, that got 1.8 million supporters.
It wasn't about forbidding abortions or something like that, but about forbidding to make money with embryos. Removing the financial incentive from killing babies. The EU Commission assraped it. The ECI dudes then sued the Commission and got it to the European Court of Justice, where it got shut down again.
That was the brith and death of the ECI... that was the moment everybody forgot that the ECI even are a thing... everybody knew they were a scam... until SKG came around and promoted the idea that this change.org clone would be actually totally serious.

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StopKillingGames idiots are getting mass-banned from twitter right now for criticizing the EU Commission.
Thanks to the EU Digital Service Act, which mandates a direct censorship-request-line for the EU, they get removed swiftly and silently.

I hope that some SKG Eurotard get dragged to court and financially slaughtered for claiming that the EU Commission would be corrupt. According to law in every single EU country, the claim that someone would be corrupt, is libel.
I want to see you slaughtered and beaten to death by the very system you promote and support. Similar to what happened to Occupy Wallstreet or those liberals who thought that they could run around with a Palestine flag in a ZOG country.
The very system you support should devour you.

>>109084672
>mass-banned
[citation needed]

I'm just gonna keep doing what I've been doing all my life:

1. I will NOT buy always-online AAA slop.
2. I will NOT buy games-as-service slop.
3. I will publicly shame and criticize any and all AAA jews that release such modern slop and try to justify it.
4. I will keep sharing older games and cracks to as many people as physically possible.

Screen cap it now: I predict that Stop Killing Games will fail with their plan to include SKG legislation into the Digital Fairness Act (their current strategy). Specifically, either no SKG amendment will be pass the full legislative process and enter into force, or an SKG amendment will pass and enter into force, but the amendment will be a complete nothingburger that is weaker and less useful than California's "Protect Our Games Act" in the form as it exists at the time of this post.

>>109085186
this is the correct approach, and doesn't require the government to regulate your behavior for you!
but by that virtue apparently thirdies in the EU are completely incapable of following your example

>>109085748
>will be pass
will *pass

attack anon either weilds a shield or long gun do anyone know more

>>109085186
Based. Literally the only game preservation method that actually works. You don't need the government to save you when you can save yourself.

>All this time EU people mocked Americans for doing nothing about this
>Americans have a stronger proposal to stop this shit than the EU
How the fuck did this happen?

>>109085748

It doesn't even require a screencap. Just watch this for the comedy value it is.

>>109075459
>utterly crushed the hopes and dreams of StopKillingGames
you give up too easily

daily reminder that corporations are not your friend, capitalism is literally fucking destroying everything and ruining our lives. I hope that when gamers see corpos just bribing government they consider voting power back to the people. fuck the rich, fuck the companies, they will be brought to heel.

>>109085186
You know full well that for every boycotted copy, a hundred normies will buy one. Our favourite games will be released as GaaS because that's a profitable model whether you like it or not. And don't pretend like you can always buy another game instead. Games are not interchangeable. You want to play that one.

>>109087137
>Muh guv'ment dildo up my ass

>>109075460
>Democracy dies in darkness
>t. Jeff Bezos

>>109075459
i was always against the movement. Its just too big of an ask. Its seems to be entirely perpetuated by gaymers who think releasing your server side in a locally runnable form is as easy as waving your hand and when you try to explain to them how it can sometimes be a bit more challenging than that they screetch at you like a bunch of autists (i've tried on /v/ several times now)

>>109075460
ironic as fuck. "we put our fingers in our ears and didn't want to listen to the VALID criticism and problems with our movement. We never addressed any of it just kept moving forward and now they just shut us down for NO REASON. Wow. DEMOCRACY IS DEAD"

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>>109087391
There is maybe some room for nuance here. If you buy an online only game and the publisher pulls the plug on the studio in less than a year, I'm not sure the consumer should have to absorb that cost. Especially if they, by EU regulation, are supposed to provide for a 2 year guarantee minimum.

>>109087433
>I'm not sure the consumer should have to absorb that cost
i was under the impression they dont? if that happens aren't customers entitled to a refund exactly because those EU consumer protection laws.

>democracy is when i get what i want
maybe gamers should have paid more attention in school. democracy means you'll be heard, doesn't mean that anyone has to take your bullshit seriously, doesn't matter how many votes your online petition has.

>>109087391
>>109087443
I was running under faulty information actually. Excuse my ignorance.

>>109087137

You wouldn’t be able to type on this board without capitalism. You freaking idiot.

Go to reddit.

>>109087391

The “Democracy is in danger” line of logic really helped us stump Kamala in 2024. Let em keep saying it.

>>109087860
The internet was a government, military, and academic invention, the internet we know today is an academic invention and unix and linux was there first.
What are you saying?

>>109087879

I’m saying that mongral idiot would not be able to type a message to us without his/xer idiot Thinkpad or other mid device. Communism is the best until you find out others have more rights than you.

>>109087542
More like you need to pay attention to reality. If we actually look at how democracies work in the modern world, it is when corporations and the elites get what they want and when the plebs are stolen from and subjected to tyranny.

>>109087205
>Noooo you can't use the government that ALREADY EXISTS with insane amounts of control over every tiny aspect of your life to actually benefit you!! That wouldn't be very libertarian of you!!!
>Oh the big corporation wants to bribe government officials to build data centers that are basically a cancerous tumor on the local area?? WELL THAT'S JUST CAPITALISM BRO!!!
Libertarian anti-government mindset doesn't apply anymore because the corporations hold all the power and this is only possible because they are tied at the hip to the government. You live in a corpo-governmental tyranny and refuse to use the tools to stop it.

>>109076300
>instead of banning cancerous materials, you should just research what you buy and make sure it doesn't give you cancer, why should companies have to care about the quality of their product
you are either really dumb or a psyops

>>109075459
It's good for noticing if nothing else

>>109075459
>the government is crushing us, EUfags
well, it's a good thing you have the second amendment... oh, wait...

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>>109075459
stopkillinggames is just a way for ross to justify being too lazy to work on freeman's mind. no one actually wants anything from him besides freeman's mind being finished.

a milion npcs updooted just so that one faggot can procrastinate some more.

>>109075459
>[Good News]
You still have the right to not buy video game leases that can be taken away from you at anytime.

>>109088003
AAA gaming industry and adjacent tech industry is dying so....

>>109088071
Not my problem. Don't care if the government bails them out. I don't pay taxes.

>>109075459
Easily solved by faggot normcattle not buying new games and maybe finding games on itch.io where the dev provides a server program.

>>109087990
Freeman's Mind is already finished.
HL2's style of "standing around awkwardly while Alyx yapping about zombine" cinematic doesn't work with Freeman's Mind.

>>109075459
if piracy isn't stealing then EoL'ing games isn't killing

>>109075459
>Compulsive liar nep baby plant is pro corpo
no wai

>>109087542
>democracy is when i get what i want
It's in the fucking name.

>>109088322
retard

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>>109087990
nah i want game dungeons, at least now that this is over we can get some more content hopefully
just let people continue to undermine the system illegally until it becomes impossible or something else happens

>>109083150
>exchange money for product
>consume product
>month passes
>want to exchange money for another product
>restaurant closed
>I want all the recipes!

YouTubers were a mistake.

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>>109088388
why are ameriturds so fixated with retarded food analogies, do they all receive education in Mcdonalds?

>>109087195
Dustborn is dead. Concord is dead.
Simply not buying things works.

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>>109076970
Fuck you, niggerfaggot

>>109087945
naturally, the buttblasted manchild can only make a false equivalence to try to prove his nonexistent point

Why am I seeing this bullshit demoralization campaign on every board?
The EU agreed to work towards a framework that will encourage game publishers and developers to build end-of-life plans for games. It's not a hard win, but that was never going to happen. It was always going to be an ongoing fight.

Are there people being paid to post here for real? I used to think it was a silly schizoid take but...

>>109075459
The solution exists and hasn't changes in 5 decades. Don't buy games from terrible companies. The issue is with very specific subset of games that everybody with a brain can predict. You don't need a law, you just need a brain.

>>109080134
>Representative democracy is absolutely essential to the survival of the EU until a high enough degree of cross cultural assimilation is achieved (which is already in the works, a teenager from lisbon is not much diffrent from a teenager from helsinki)
for whose benefit? the millions of racial aliens they've imported?

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>>109089802
>Are there people being paid to post here for real?

>>109076592
> they can't even get the game to run properly on their own servers and you want them to ship a working local version

lmao ngmi

>>109075460
>1.5 million people sign an online petition
>for a continent of ~700 million
Yeah we should have all future laws and regulation be decided by which online petitions reach enough signatures

>>109076758
> imagine if they got together and actually finished a project instead of arguing about which retro engine is superior

>>109075459
good. it was a retarded idea.

>>109080134
What would those counterexamples be?
And If it not the function of captial that is the influence over culture than what is?
just curious on your opinions.

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didnt read or catch up on any of this but let me guess
this normalfag EU movement is pro game censorship from skirts to pants/shitty textured spats and the like but ironically keep their whole "stop killing games" motto

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>>109075459
But I did nothing

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But this greasy used car salesman told me that we were good

>>109075460
How is it democracy when you can't vote against it?

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>>109075459
Enough is enough.

You will hand over all the source code.

NOW

OR ELSE

>>109093698
Not enough, the game devs should also hand over their servers and pay for my electricity bills too.

>>109088534
that would be great, if only the campaign was called "Kill Video Games".

>>109083955
>>The EU has been a scam from the start
>It always was
yep that's what the words he already said mean.

>>109083617
It's like saying the Pope is democratically elected. Its technically true, but you have no say in it.

>>109093641
And you won, that makes you the greatest satan.

>>109083308
The game companies pay taxes.
End of story.
The games in your library are their property so long as they pay the people who uphold property rights.

>>109075620
true democracy has never been tried