https://www.techpowerup.com/350049/steam-machine-performance-benchmark-leak-signals-approaching-launch>struggles to beat an i3-12100 in geekbench in both single and multicoreIt's so over for Valve.
Is that a fucking microSD card slot and no USB-C? Is this thing a joke?Anyway I hope Valve fails because 1) fuck gaymers, they ruined personal computing and 2) fuck DRM.
>benchmark leak
>>109076155>they ruined personal computingThe AI stock market grift is what ruined it, gamers ruined any and all discussion about how to fix it as they're a bunch of entitled little cunts that want to consoom the newest and greatest hardware every year and the gaming hardware reviewers want continuous free gibs from these companies and will throw a hissy fit the moment they're not being treated like gods.
>>109076183trvthnvke
>>109076183good goy. $2.50 has been added to your Steam wallet for the chance to open an NFT lootbox for free.
>>109076155usbc is in the back
>>109076155>USB-Clmao, use case?
>>109076258See pic rel, top of the line x86 igpus also lose out to 10 year old gpus in GTA V
>>109076281The steam machine doesn't use a normal iGPU. It has its own dedicated GDDR6 vRAM and doesn't borrow from the system DDR5 RAM like you see on the 780M.
>>109076230Oh boy I can't wait to get out of my chair and lean over the desk and spin the computer around and probably use a flashlight if it's nighttime to find the tiny port to plug in my usb-c card reader
>>109076372you orientation doesn't matter with usbc thats the whole point of the plug
>>109076155gamers literally saved computing you retard nigger
>>109076372>leaning is too much effort for the american
>worse than a 7540uFuck my 1280p intel laptop is better than this e waste
>>109076281The difference is that apple advertises the GPUs in their laptops, and the Neo reviews even went "wowww you can really play gtav on it! yeah it's a bit slow but it works!!". There are no apple laptops (or even desktops) with a dedicated GPU.While on x86 nobody even looks at iGPU gaming performance as a selling point, if you want good performance you either buy a dGPU laptop, or a desktop/minipc with a GPU.
>>109076761>While on x86 nobody even looks at iGPU gaming performance as a selling pointAre you retarded? The entire selling point of Intel’s Core Ultra X7/X9 Panther Lake chips is the Arc B390 iGPU. The same with Lunar Lake 140V. >Apple advertises the GPUs in their laptopsApple has never focused on gaming underaged zoomzoom
>>109076109It's within the expected specs for the CPU, it is a U series mobile processor at its heart.
>>109076372It'll be good for you fatty
>>109076109I have a feeling valve wanted to make a $600 entry level PC to sell in late 2025/early 2026. It'd be relatively weak but nowadays still perfectly fine for playing games without raytracing and with upscaling/framegen, and target the market of people who don't want to build a PC or pay for a top of the line build. It was never meant to be an insane value proposition like loss-leader consoles are.But then with all components exploding, what was meant to be "not an insane value proposition" targeting convenience, has become a pretty terrible value proposition.And what's worse is that obviously console manufacturers have deep supply contracts and have been able to maintain prices for a while now, while Valve doesn't have anything of the sort and just got cockblocked. Even big manufacturer contracts will eventually run out and be re-negotiated, causing price hikes even for normal consoles, but it's taking a long while for this to happen. So Valve can wait for the market to finish readjusting and then their own prices won't look quite as egregious, but they're making their hardware go more and more out of date the longer they wait, so there's no winning here.If I was gabe I'd probably delay the cube for another year or so and also just redesign it to update the internals for a more recent CPU+GPU accordingly. Either the component prices go down by then or everyone else will have been forced to adjust as well, so your pricing can be inline with the rest of the market, and the machine won't be horribly outdated. But of course this heavily depends on whether they can even get newer chips from AMD easily, or of this particular part was just something AMD had a good supply of thus allowing a mutually beneficial contract.
>>109076109Haven't they been pretty open about how this is basically just an entry-level gaming PC prebuild focused on meeting the average specs in the Steam hardware surveys?It was never going to be revolutionary, the question is entirely just down to whether or not it's worth the price compared to its prebuilt competition.(I figure that the answer is probably "eh, if you don't already have a half-decent PC it's an option" with an added "oh hey, SteamOS is a thing now, neat".)
>>109076817maybe someone should ask Gaben what the fuck they even pay him for
>>109077404He's a terrible CEO.Say what you want, but other ones at least constantly do networking and work out deals, regardless of how rich their mother company is.Gabe just sits his fat ass on a pile of dollars made off Steam and does nothing.And yet people worship that greedy lazy fat fuck.
>>109076372this post reminds me of a hacker news comment i saw once where some retard was griping about pulling a wallet out of a pocket being a monumentally annoying task
>>109077611Steam basically prints money. And since it's a private company he doesn't have a legal obligation to constantly be chasing more and more and more money no matter what. Seems like Valve is pretty happy with their money printer.There are valid reasons to hate gaben (like how valve had to be put in a chokehold before they started allowing refunds) but>hurr he's not going out of his way to make even more profit!!is a pretty weird one.>And yet people worship that greedy lazy fat fuck.Mostly because it could be way worse. Steam DRM is just enough to satisfy publishers that want some DRM for a checkbox, but piss weak and non-invasive. When games get taken down (even due to regulatory action), they never disable them in existing accounts, only in the store. The hobby projects gabe embarks on - VR, steam deck, Proton, etc. - range from harmless to actually pretty cool, and it's nice that Valve is spending some of their infinite money and resources on fucking about with not-very-profitable but cool stuff like making games actually fucking work on linux.Obviously the multi-billion-dollar company and its multi-billion-dollar CEO are not my friends, but all things considered I can't think of any other company with anywhere near as much money that hasn't been far more anti-consumerist or directly harmful to me as a customer, than Valve has ever been.
Im going to buy it and install windows
>>109077707My attitude is like this: companies exist to serve me.If they don't then fuck them - I don't give a shit about their existence or wellbeing. I don't get people who worship companies that do nothing to improve their lives and the world as a whole.
>>109077728and still play steam games. Valve thanks you for your 30%
>>109076109Geekbench is retarded.Slightly worse than a 7900X3D in single core, slightly better than a 7945HX multi-core, around the ballpark of a 3060/9060 etc It's gonna be fine. I'm not picking one up because I don't need one, but I'm getting a frame desu
>>109077748>he pays for video games
>>109077732I agree but>companies that do nothing to improve their livesValve actually HAS improved my life, with their work on Proton actually meaningfully making my daily life a lot more convenient. If not for them, there's a good chance I would still be forced to dual boot, or try to run a GPU passthrough VM. Or just run straight Windows on my gaming PC and suffer with their auto-updates, dealing with Windows 11 right now, etc.I also haven't bought a VR headset yet, but I do find the technology interesting, and as far as I can tell SteamVR is the most usable and open ecosystem surrounding it and also is (or was, last time I checked) the only one not locked to Windows. So while I haven't directly benefited from Valve in this aspect yet, they are responsible for basically the only option that I know will work well if I do decide to make use of it, which is nice to know.So Valve has indeed benefited me, and has not done many things that a corporation in their position could have done that would have harmed me (such as, again, deleting games from existing libraries). Therefore, on the balance of things, I am happy with Valve's existence. If they decide to turn around and change their MO, and start providing more harm than benefit to me and what I do, then my opinion would of course change.
>>109076281>10 year old gpu beats modern hardware in ten year old gameYou NEED to commit suicide.
>>109076518
>>109076155uhh first post best post?
>>109077654Steam Machine performance beats 70% of PCs that use Steam, are you surprise people want an upgrade?
>>109076752>1280p intel laptopGive us the spec of your laptop?
>>109077748why would I, a gamer, give a shit if valve takes a 30% cut? not my problem.
>>109076109https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/18366190?baseline=18386598The Steam Machine is absolutely destroyed by a $599 Mac mini.
it is literally ewaste
>>109078283see >>109076258
>>109078338We haven't even gotten the GTA V benchmark yet you dumb motherfucker.
>>109076109I think it's a good thing. If enough people get one, there is a sizeable market for which major developers will have to cater to. The worse it is with regard to performance, the more the Devs will have to optimize their slop, which is only a benefit for the industry.I wouldn't buy one though.
>>109076109Why would people expect it to be powerful? It's priced as an entry level machine suitable for N64 tier games. If you want a decent machine nowadays it's going to cost close to $5,000.
>>109078381nobody optimized for steam deck games still run trash on everything
>>109077611Haii Tim :3
>>109078395You're not thinking big picture enough saaaar
>>109076109The people the Steam Machine is for don't know what >struggles to beat an i3-12100 in geekbench in both single and multicoreeven means.My brother has been a playstation player his whole life. A couple of his friends switched to PC. He wants to switch to PC, but he doesn't know how to build one and doesn't want to learn or spend a ton of money on a top of the line computer. He doesn't know what ray-tracing is. He just wants the easiest way to play with his friends. He's planning on getting a Steam Machine. And that's your target market.
>>109078441nice pasta
>>109078469Why are you like this? I don't get why people on this board struggle with the concept of target market so much. It was the same with the Macbook neo.
>>109076817>And what's worse is that obviously console manufacturers have deep supply contracts and have been able to maintain prices for a while nowbut they don't anon. it's been posted on the board before, everything is going up in price. the next xbox is going to be over $1000. nintendo and sony have already put their prices up.anons just sit at home and make shit up and think the shit that they have made up is true because it sounds right in their heads.
>>109079820The NEXT xbox is going to be over $1000. Today, right now, you can go out and buy an xbox for whatever the fuck it costs, but basically the same as a year ago. Some shit got maybe a $50-100 price bump at most so far, and even that was after months of component prices.The RAM hike started last year nigger, and consoles right now have not yet skyrocketed in price. The price bump on some basic RAM and a 1TB SSD is way more than $50 at this point.Meanwhile Valve's BOM for the Steam Machine almost certainly bore the full brunt of the increase, meaning like +$200 for the RAM and +$100 for the storage plus whatever else got disrupted by supply chains like fucking VRAM shortages.
>>109076281>the same spamyou need to get a life
>>109077748You install windows exactly to not pay for games
>>109078441>but he doesn't know how to build one and doesn't want to learn or spend a ton of moneySame situation, but instead I'm informed on how to build a PC, but I have been priced out, and I'm sick and tired of Sony cash grabbing.
>>109076109>Valve wants you to game at 4K 60fps on this trashI LOVE FSR! I LOVE PIXELATED BLURRY IMAGES ON MY $1000 TV!!
>>109080820Why would you want to make your games run even worse? Linux has better gpu drivers, better vram and ram management. Helpful on low end hardware like this.
>>109076109>It's so over for Valve.8gb vram means it never really begun, and no i don't want to hear about muh hardware surveys copium.
>>109081026I mean there are tens (hundreds?) of millions of consolefags who do, in fact, love pixelated blurry images on their $1000 TVs. Clearly that's not a problem for very many people.
>>109081060consolefags are not people they are cattle.
>>109081047It's all irrelevant without the price. eg what if it was $50?
>>109076109they are so fucking retarded for not going something like 5600x3d
>>109076183>If u complain about hardware becoming unattainable ur entitledWhat a magnificent skullfucking job they did on you, fatass. You're so worthless and eager to please, you'll literally take any stance you come about. Seek euthanasia.
>>109083464nah the reason they went with weird shit is that, just like the deck, AMD probably gave them a good deal on those chips because they're probably a low bin and not in much demand as dedicated CPUs in the consumer market. so AMD secures a bulk deal on a trash budget chip nobody else wants, and is happy, while Valve gets a good deal on bulk CPUs and gets better margins rather than paying market price for a mainstream CPU that AMD has no reason to give major discounts on.manufacturing is expensive and Valve probably pays a decent overhead on the custom parts, custom case, custom cooler, and custom assembly to ship you a pre-made computer, so if they paid anywhere near market price for the actual components then the cube would basically cost as much as an equivalent self-built except with a massive overhead just for the shape (and that's completely ignoring their upfront r&d and design costs) and there'd be zero reason to buy it
>>109076281>400W GPUs beat 80W APUS at rasterHoly fuck, are you Batman? Nice job, detective!
>>109083515>400w gpyThe 1050ti was literally powered off the mobo it didnt even need external power. Its max tdp was 75w and it rarely hit that in gaming. Retards dont even know what they are talking about.
>>109077804>he posts reddit frogs in 2026
>>109083464>105W TDPYeah, I fucking wonder.
>>109083547>reddit frogsbut your own webm shows it's a meme used by 4channers
>>109081047it runs Linux tho...
>>109083547Apu apustaja is not a Pepe "derivative" he is his own man!
>>109083623Depends on where you draw the line between derivatives, variants, and evolutions. IMO Apu is either a derivative or an evolution. But unlike for example spurdo and pedobear (which I would call an evolution), standard pepe is still relatively widely used and hasn't faded into obscurity, so I wouldn't call it an evolution. Derivative is probably the right word here, with variant denoting different edits within the same class of derivative.
>>109076109>Steam Machine (512 GB) - $1199>Steam Machine GTX (512 GB) - $1499>Steam Machine (2 TB) - $1399>Steam Machine GTX (2 TB) - $1699You've heard it here first.
>>109083673doa
