You all wanted a discord alternative so why don’t (You) use XMPP?>open source >can be federated >many different clients for like any platform>a good amount of server software that can be selfhosted >a server will run on like every pc that came out in the last 25 years>easy to use just like email
i doubt my tech illiterate friends would join it, and if they did, i'd rather it just be irc
>>109084135Matrix exists. Your outdated never properly standardized trash is not needed.
>>109084184Isnt Matrix made by Israel and funded by EU governments?
>>109084135>should not be used for production/thread
>>109084184Mazel tov!
>>109084194It's open standard, so probably made by jews, niggers and arabs and what not.What I do know is that I host one instance right now and I'm the only one who can access it. That is how my self hosted server sends me notifications.You may continue using telegram, tovarisch
> Following the initial development phase, the funding from Amdocs was discontinued in 2017. At that time, the core development team left and established a UK-based company to independently steward the protocol. Today, it is overseen by the non-profit The Matrix.org Foundation.Seems like that foundation in charge of the protocol. I have no idea how israeli it is, but pretty sure it cannot get close to something like iMessage or Whatsapp
>>109084135I used it from 2011 to 2015 and it felt extremely dated even back then. In terms of modern communication and workflow it is stone age tech.
>>109084135I do, self-hosting snikket is super ez if anyone's interested
>>109084230Dont need telegram or shartrix when you have XMPP.
Aren't all these alternative platforms for pedophiles? Use IRC and well curated discords.
>>109084184>The maintained server needs gigabytes of RAM and a certification to set up>Lighter official implementation is in "security maintenance mode">There is autistic third option by Joe Random (written in Rust, of course)I think I'll stay with XMPP
>>109084135>You all wanted a flatback truck so why don't you use this Smart?
>>109085059>food analogy
>>109085304apples to oranges
>>109085373I don't know what those are
>>109085386Since when do normal North Koreans have internet?
>>109084135I just use XMPP to bridge my discrapp and whatsapp accounts so I dont have to use their (((webclient)))
>>109085434I have been of great service to the Respected Comrade General Secretary so I have been blessed with a job that uses the latest and greatest Korean computing technology with the intent of spreading our great research to the rest of the world.
>>109085463
>>109084135I tried using it. Prosody and ejabberd are nightmares to setup and maintain. The frontend suck too.Once a month or so I check around for better online chat platforms. I recently read about Sharkcord which looks pretty cool I might try selfhosting that. The only viable option right now is matrix+element but any discussion around it always devolves into talking about jews.
>why don’t (You) use XMPP?Because I have no friends to talk to.;_;
>>109085669Matrix is way too bloated for what it offers and it being an "open standard".It just needs to do text messaging, video/audio calls and have rooms or channels.But somehow the spec is over complicatedAlso, it apparently takes 4GB (FOUR GIGA BYTES) of RAM to run a server! wtf
>>109085463Fluxer just got out of beta and they are looking to implement federation in the near future. If they continue at this pace we will soon have our FOSS Discord.
>>109085798Oops, meant for >>109084135
>>109085669>[...] ejabberd are nightmares to setup and maintainBuilt it from source. No it’s not.
>>109085669>Prosody and ejabberd are nightmares to setup and maintain
>>109085054>maintained server needs gigabytes of RAMMemory usage 8.53% (174.62 MiB of 2.00 GiB> a certification to set upNo idea what the fuck that is. Works on my machine. Should werk on yours too, since it is LXC container. You mean the client you use demand https or smth? Not my problem either.> official implementation > autistic third option by Joe Random No idea which one it is. Like I said, it's for my LAN, I'm not going to compete with a literal trillionarie scumbag for being le next twatter, I'll pass.>>109085704Don't let get into your head, most users of those obscure messengers are just drug dealers, junkies, pedos, hax0rs that trick old women into sending them money.If you have friends, you won't use that shit, you hang out with them.But having a self hosted matrix server is useful.>>109085669>The only viable option right now is matrix+element but any discussion around it always devolves into talking about jewsSelf host and do not use official client. To talk to randoms use element only via web browser client or vibe slop your own minimal version (unironically the most secure path, by obscurity).>>109085724Which server do you use?
>>109084135no viable web clientno, converse.js doesnt countdesktop clients suckthe only things that work are conversations forks on mobile
>>109085959Movim is pretty good
I can't add effects to my profile xmpp, or join an active server and larp as a cute anime girl 16 hours per day, so what's the point?
>>109086050XEP-0084 + XEP-0486You're welcome
>>109086014twice as hard/annoying to selfhost and if you use someone else's instance they can look into your messages because it caches a lot of data on the server
>self host matrix>join a huge room>ddos your server by doing so
>>109085054if it was written in php it would be 50x more popular
>>109086138Probably would run 50x faster too. Rasmus Leerdorf wrote code specifically to optimize for shitty PHP code under the hood.
>>109086083>tranny extension nobody else supports + tranny extension nobody else supports
Problem with these social tech is getting other people to use them
>>109086216I had success bringing several people over to matrix by removing my profile picture on D*scord, changing my name to DELETING MY ACCOUNT and messaging everybody on my contact list, and putting an explanation and my matrix contact in my bio. This was the only way I managed to bring my online friends to matrix after several failed attempts before. As a bonus I filtered out everyone who couldn't be bothered to inconvenience themselves for 30 seconds to avoid losing contact with me.
>>109084135So like Signal but worse?
>>109084196>one-to-one chat production environment
>>109086200That's XMPP yes.
Open Discord.Explore it's feature set, how it operates, note exactly what's possible and how it is presented in the client.If your alternative does not have 1:1 feature parity, it's a failure. Can't be any more simple than this.
>>109086372Which alternatives have this feature?
>>109086372Yeah pretty much. This is the case with pretty much every alternative. It's why Bluesky overtook Mastodon in an instant when Musk bought Twitter. Granted Twitter is still much more popular than Bluesky obviously. But without the central location for discovering content, Bluesky would just be a more or less shitty alternative to Mastodon with few users.
>>109084135I use xmpp with conversations app to message family and my nonexistent friends, but I can tell you xmpp is a giant mess and (WE) need something better.
>a good amount of server software that can be selfhosted >a server will run on like every pc that came out in the last 25 yearsI'm a brainlet and looking at the server selection and their configuration it all overwhelms me. Like why can't I have something like>install server>set the listening port on the config file>make clients connect to IP:port>shit works???But no, I got to have domains and certs and all kinds of weird shit.
>>109084184matrix sucks ass if matrix didnt exist we'd probably have a better chat nowevery chat sucks what even has custom emojis like we had in msn in 2009? these chats have no usecase
>>109084135>many different clients for like any platformLiterally all of them SUCK ASS. They are all somehow worse and have fewer features than messengers from 2002.
>>109084135couldn't get anyone to join itmost of the clients are oldass and use large spaces of pure whiteclients that aren't oldass are weird subscription shit that mac people are used to paying for
>>109088550oh and the other clients that aren't pure white are gigantic fullscreen 2gb ram webapps that want to be discord instead of just being instant message windows
>>109084135>why don't you use XMPPBecause sharkord exists
>>109084680Discord is the number 1 pedo platform tf you talking about
>>109085798Like the near future when ladybird browser will be released? LoL >>109085669It’s literally a text file you need to edit… I thought this was /g/>>109086372You should always ask if you need all those super duper features like discord nitro shiny glitter profile thingy>>109088167XMPP is OSS so you can make a fork>>109088195If you not literate enough to do this you should leave /g/ and and just use a server you trust
>>109089231>XMPP is OSS so you can make a forkIt's a protocol, and it's xml, fucking xml! I want nothing with this cursed protocol. There's a reason no one seems to care about it, and most clients are shit, because xmpp is shit. It's not even an IM protocol per se, it's a general messaging protocol that can encode data in xml streams (!), the ideas are decent, but the implementation is bad and ugly, and every new feature seems like a hack on top of it, and let not address how most xml implementations are bad and buggy, because the full xml spec is the problem, which can be passable if used for marking text like it was meant to be, but retards decided that life should be marked in xml. IRC even if archaic is still the best IM protocol we have.
>>109089450imessage and whatsapp both started as xmpp so most of the worlds messages are still probably sent as xml
>>109084135Oh, It's this thread again>can be federatedDo you even know what that word means?Xmpp is a program that only two people use. One is the programmer who originally made it, the other is OP, you, who fanatically tout it every week or so on 4chan. You've been doing this for years. When you first started to do that, two people used Xmpp. Now, years later, two people use Xmpp. What does that tell you?
What the smallest an xmpp client can be executed in?IRC has sic which only needs 250 lines of code.
>>109090551SIC doesn't follow the IRC spec though, it just joins channels and chats as a novelty magic trick
can it do screensharing and group voice chat?
>>109084184have you seriously tried this , it's absolutely laughable how bad it is
>>109093417Not him, but yeah it's pretty bad. But also I think it's the least bad option we have for decentralized chat. Or as they say in Bri*ain, decentralised chat. I say that it's the least bad, because it's the only chat app that tries to do everything a person could want to do a chat app. Now, pay attention that I said "tries." I didn't say they do it well, but they're trying. But every year it seems to be getting better and better. And with the government contracts the devs are obtaining, the features they build for the governments may also spill into the open source versions.Other than XMPP and Matrix, I don't see any other chat apps/protocols trying to be the swiss army knife of chat.
>>109084135I fucking love XMPP but no one is on it. Even IRC is more active.Also what are these arguments about ITT? Either this board is full of retards or there's a glow-op going on.
>>109093618You could respond to the arguments, or just be a smug smarty boy alone on XMPP.
>>109084164Just point them to Snikket. If someone can create an email they can make an XMPP account.>>109093654We've had this thread before and the conclusion was Matrix is the new XMPP and it's falling for the same mistakes. So idk if there's much to say. People who would love XMPP are the same ones insisting on Matrix now. Except XMPP is like the email of chat. It's a protocol with enough extensions to do whatever you want with it.
>>109093968NTA but I learned about snikket last week and was completely put off by their website, literally go to the website right now and read how they describe it. It is the faggeiest description of software I have ever seen in my entire life. It's basically like a try not to cringe challenge trying to get through even 2 paragraphs written by the dev team which makes me worried it's run by trannies and it's going to rape my server or something. I genuinely cannot trust it because of how horrible the writing style on the website is. Is it actually good?
>>109094005I wouldn't know, I haven't used it. I'm suggesting recommending it to tech illiterate normies as a gateway drug if they want the most straightforward approach possible. Because they have an app that selects their server by default so all the user has to do is make an account. A similar app is yax.imBut yeah if you're trying to make your own server use prosody or smth.
>>109093968>Matrix is the new XMPP and it's falling for the same mistakes.That doesn't sound right at all. One thing off the top of my head, XMPP never had an organization behind it trying to push a flagship app and evangelize for it. Matrix does. It has the server and the client, and that lead developer guy is constantly fighting for it.>It's a protocol with enough extensions to do whatever you want with it.Matrix is just a protocol too.
for me it's sending a text (imessage)
>>109094005I've used a snikket server. All I got was a personalised link where I could sign up. So it's very easy to do.
>>109084135I use ventrillo *brrt*
Social networks need to be feature rich, and accessible. All the alternatives to discord and lacking in every single aspect of features and accessibility. There is no reason to change.
>>109093618>I fucking love XMPP but no one is on it.hyperborea@chat.cy-x.netmight be the biggest MUC that doesn't have any gay rules>I was not required to prove that I am a member of the human race for this post
>>109094866four strength four stam leather belt?
