There has to be a better solution than this broken shit. KDE is completely removing X11 <6 months from now and I'm starting to panic. Wayland breaks shit and loses functionality of basic things. I don't want to move off of KDE either. This blows.
>>109087040You WILL use Gayland. You WILL enjoy it. You WILL (not) complain about visual bugs.
Desktop Linux has already split into three, Xorg, Xlibre and Wayland, and then there are niche distros that still use Framebuffer or Mir.
>>109087040whens the last time you tried wayland?
>>109087161Today. Still no screensaver. Probably switching to Artix soon.
>>109087194>Still no screensaver. use case?anyway just park your ass on a kubuntu LTS release with the free ubuntu pro subscription for 10 years.
>>109087281>use case?if you don't want burn-ins on an OLED display
>>109087289it aint 2002 nigga, you don't need 3D pipes running to protect your screen. screen blanking and DPMS has been a thing forever (unless what you're trying to say is that wayland doesn't support that, in which case you're just completely wrong)
>>109087281>use case?Rule of cool.
>>109087341>screen blanking and DPMScucked and boring
>>109087040meh life is simpler without any X on linux
>>109087040Last good KDE was Trinity.
>>109087289That's what DPMS is for.>>109087194There is zero use case for a screensaver. Calling it a screensaver is even an oxymoron, it doesn't "save" anything. It burns more CPU and GPU for no purpose.>>109087040>There has to be a better solution than this broken shit.There isn't. But if you want to live in the past SonicDE has you covered
>>109087083>Linux has already splitThere's systemd/Linux and UNIX-like/Linux (dunno if GNU is jumping to systemd, otherwise I'd call this GNU/Linux). They are two different systems catering to different usecases. Pretending one is the future and the other is the past is a sad attempt by corpos to steer people who need UNIX-like into their systemd walled garden. Sadly, most (all?) major distros fell for it.
Wayland is great and kde sucks. Stop being an idiot.
>>109087399>>109087405>AIEEEEEEEEEE wayland is COMPLETELY broken and i'm panicking because...i can't have pretty animations playing on my lock screen!!!!lmao. of all the reasons to seethe over wayland, this is probably one of the goofiest ones i've seen. last i checked xscreensaver is implementing wayland support anyway so there you go
>>109087439No, it's just retards like you clinging to depricated worse softwsre.
its amazing that they're just completely ignoring Engineering/HPC usage, which still have massive workflows based on remote X11
>>109087451KDE is the only Wayland environment that actually works. It's the one place where modern technologies like VRR, fractional scaling and HDR (including with full ICC colour profile support now) all work properly.GNOME is slowly catching up to it but KDE are pioneers.
>>109087459They're not. There are attempts to build an Xorg Server on top of Wayland. In the future your HPC cluster will be running its X11 shite on top of a Wayland display server and won't know or care.https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayback/wayback
>>109087040>I don't want to move off of KDE either....Why? You can run everything in *any* other window manager. Is this bait? There's no way you're stupid enough to think this is some kind of serious problem.
>>109087468This is assuming that shit even gets updates still of course. A HPC cluster running technology this old is likely on some old OS version that's custom patched in-house.
>>109087468>In the future your HPC cluster will be running its X11What kind of retard runs a GUI on a server?
>>109087439GNU has their own systemd called shepherd.
>>109087481A scientist. Not a computer scientist of course, it takes a special kind of retard to do that like a physicist.
>>109087462Gnome does things carefully and properly. Kde just tries to satisfy users and is sloppy, they neglect security.
>>109087490>Kde just tries to satisfy usersAnd this is a bad thing?Give me the version that satisfies me today of the version that will eventually be perfect and correct 10 years from now.
>>109087083The real split will happen when an alternative to the FreeDesktop org get's created. Imagine,>no more broken .desktop files>no more .config and .local mess>no more hacking environment variables>no more dbus or elogind>official system desktop call for open file dialogs, no xdg-desktop-portalWe can start from scratch with a new platform target.>Anon, that's insane and will break everything!Trinity is already half way there.
>>109087457No. Usecases for UNIX-like are different, and often conflicting with usecases for systemd. Systemd tries to be a everything-service and make Linux standardized and uniform to benefit corpo interests/porting applications/etc. UNIX-like is composed of small interchangeable modules, which create the opposite of uniformization, but benefit for adapting Linux to anything from routers, to embedded car systems, to watches to anything really. Being UNIX-like is what made Linux grow into what it is today as opposed to Windows/Mac, which are uniform. That's what made them grow in desktop/laptop/user-friendly space. These are two completely different usecases completely opposite to each other.>>109087482Yikes!
>>109087040Anon you should have used something stable and widely supported like win32, the most stable GUI API for Linux.
>>109087513Is the Wine virtual desktop stable enough to run as a daily driver?
>>109087496Yes, it's like populism. Masses are stupid and they don't even know what they want.Gnome has all those festures implemented now as well all the behind the scenes stuff, now KDE is the one behind and they don't seem to care.
>>109087510SystemD is modular.
>>109087516Either that or Proton depending on your use case.
>>109087518>now KDE is the one behind and they don't seem to care.KDE is the one making the fucking standard.For example, proper PiP support, not merged upstream yet. But a variant already exists in KWin today and it's supported by Firefox.https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/132
>>109087531Doesn't matter in reality, if it only plays nice with their own components. The whole attitude is the same as GNOME's.
>>109087555Nobody is making proper alternatives and somehow its systemDs fault.
>>109087571No, you misunderstood me. Systemd is great for the problem it tries to solve. What I'm saying is that the problem is not "superseed UNIX". They are going a different way. Corpos are painting this as the only way because they want to take the option of going UNIX-way away from the user. So they frame it as the future and all that. But it's not. The future, unless they suceed in killing our freedom, is both projects diverge. Systemd does a great job at the path they want to follow: a unified Linux experience. UNIX does a great a his job: a modular Linux that can be adapted to any problem, and resiliently replace any part that decides to do something the admin doesn't want, like digital ID checks or whatever.I'll say again. There are two different goals. Systemd is good at his goal. It's just not my goal.
>>109087040I don't use KDE and I won't use wayland unless they force me somehow. But yes it's concerning.>>109087484Yep. Physicists will do retarded things so they can run their mathematica or matlab script on a giant cluster. You can see the clusterfuck that is Anaconda. Pretty sure physicists are responsible for a bunch of that.t. physicist
>>109087289Wallpaper Engine.
>>109087510That's a great argument for major distros, which are user-oriented, adopting systemd.
>>109087462>GNOME is slowly catching upnot on their bills, thought. just switched over to KDE because cinnamon and xfce aren't migrated to wayland yet. lxqt just isn't as polished as xfce. gnome extensions are retarded.
>>109087484lmaowhen I was in gradschool years back, for geophysics, everything was run off a Mac Pro, one of the old big metal kind before the trashcan... And it never got updated. My advisor literally said the OS that comes with the computer should be good for the life of the computer. And this was connected to the internet of course.Needless to say, our shit got wrecked.
>>109087648Yes, and they should. But they shouldn't paint it as "systemd is the future, UNIX-like is deprecated and should die". Things that worked perfectly fine with UNIX-like Linux dropping support just to chase the trend and whatnot is also stupid.
>>109087474Are you joking? Have you attempted to play Steam games on anything other than KDE or (barf) Cachy? Retarded X window managers literally break games.
>>109087670Learn to firewall.Most likely inside job, like 99.99% of all security issues
>>109087648And it's all good until the retarded users realize that a unified system has a single point of control and who is controlling it.
>Wayland breaks shit and loses functionality of basic thingsIt's not 2020 anymore, unc.
>>109087758I tested it literally today because I was considering switching. There were green and rainbow colored lines all over my window titlebars. That's normal to you?
>>109087481you think HPC clusters allow users to open data visualization apps that may load 100s of GB to 10s of TBs on Login Session Servers?its all abstracted away to LSF or SLURM jobs and remote X11, because its the only way to keep Session servers responsive for 50-200 user sessions per login node.
>>109087482>>109087510what? it's a bad thing that GNU has their own init system ... ???
>>109088095Systemd is not an init system.
>>109088135and Shepherd is.retard.
>>109087040there's sonic DE. I don't know how well it works but it's a direct fork of plasma AFAIK
>>109088208It's going to die within a year tops. Unfortunately, if you want things to work proper AND be maintained for a long time, you have to pick one of the longstanding/proven DEs. At this point, with how mental Wayland shills are. it just feels pointless even trying to stick to X11. It feels like you're just digging your own grave.
>>109087040Use case for KDE?
ok but can you disable the forced vsync on wayland yet? do any compositors allow tearing on all windows and not just exclusive fullscreen apps? everything else works i just need this really badly okay. i am ADDICTED to tearing.
>>109087040The only reason I'm not on wayland is that nothing comes close to bspwm.The reason i want to be on wayland is hdr.The thing i dislike the most about it is fractional scaling xft.dpi is superior.
>>109088309It actually runs games
>>109087040why so many gayland shills ITT?
>>109087341>>109087435>>109087456Tell me without telling me you're too young to remember when computers were cool. You probably haven't even noticed how many computer related YT channels have monitors with old screensavers running on the background.
>>109087040>KDE is completely removing X11 <6 months from nowJust don't updoot?
>>109088380can't do partial upgrades on arch...
>>109088274TDE survived 15 years and is still going, so will SonicDE.
>>109088315What is even the use case for fractional scaling?
>>109087040switch to OpenBSD, it maintains a fork of X11 and will continue to
>>109088400if you prefer older, more outdated technology, then use Slackware or Debian. anyway, you can pin versions on Arch.
>>109087040There is a better solution. It's called waylandd.
>>109088595Laptops, 27 inch 4k screens, etc
>>109088607>Here anon you can replace your issue by installing a bigger set of issuesAirgap yourself, white woman.
>>109087040The guy who is maintaining it, can he focus on development and stop showing his power level? Fuck I'll do it for a fee.
>>109087758>>109087778Same for a friend of mine: after years wanted to try linux (he used to run it during college) and messaged me asking why ubuntu became so shit. He had flickering aberrations on gui elements (was running gnome) and crackling audio, i simply instructed him to install xfce4, login to the x11 session with it and everything started working like a charm.>inb4 old hw, shit gpu, etc..The hw was relatively new (1-3 years old), the main gpu was an intel integrated, there was nothing esoteric about his configuration.
>>109088329They are well outdated. But at least it has a Go game and that's all that matters.
>>109087040SonicDE continues where kwin_x11 leaves off https://sonicde.org/
>>109087194XScreenSaver now works 100% under Wayland, except no locking, but I don't want locking, so it works 100% for me
>>109088595I have big 4k monitors and on a workday i on average have 5 to 7 terminals open.
>>109088595>>109089525Also bspwm is a dynamic tiling wm, you can choose your window size very easily but the real killer feature for me isn't the layout but its scriptability and the fact that it's just edits on a binary tree which is a nice structure to work with.Also your config file is literally a script or whatever executable you want.
Wayland sessions can support:HDRFractional scalingMixed refresh ratesMulti display VRRThere are no X11 sessions that support these
>>109087040You can still install x11, chill nigga. You can also install xlibre. Don't worry. Or just install fucking XFCE and wait 12-24 months.There are still a couple issues on wayland, but even the Steam Deck moved fully to wayland now. It's stable enough, what exactly doesn't work on your machine? And what distro do you even use?
>>109089645Typical lies.> HDRworks on OpenGL/Vulkan full screen apps when not running a compositor.You can write your own Xcompmgr that supports HDR. Nobody bothered so far because it's useless meme technology.There is nothing inherently broken with X11 that makes HDR impossible.> Fractional scalingDPI is exposed via randr extension. Sabotaging toolkits deliberately choose to ignore it on X11. Hence not a X11 problem.> Mixed refresh ratesThis is possible for more than 30 years> Multi display VRRThe relevant patch is included in XLibre
>>109087778>>109089173That sounds like an issue with whatever hardware you're using. Like the flickering Linus (from LTT) got when he used Cosmic on his ridiculous monitor (could just as well be the fault of Cosmic though, although he was careful not to apportion blame to that).What hardware and software were you using?
>>109087040why is the xlibre maintainer such a faggot right winger
>>109088373>You probably haven't even noticed how many computer related YT channels have monitors with old screensavers running on the background.That's a video on loop for nostalgia purposes, retard.
>>109089790I'm using a laptop from the past 6 years with Intel iGPU and a 144hz monitor so I'm 99.999999% sure there are no hardware issues on my end.
>>109089801Are you sure an iGPU is powerful enough to drive a 144Hz display like that? Maybe get a real GPU and try it again.
>>109089804I have a NVIDIA dGPU as well obviously, it's a laptop silly.
>>109089804To be clear, I'm not saying the hardware is definitely at fault, just that there's a lot of "Pick me" hardware in laptops like that which is woefully inadequate for the job.
>>109089811>>109089813Oh, in that case it's definitely an NVIDIA driver issue. Yes, it's still shit unfortunately, only they can fix it.
>>109087194>needing a screensaverLinux is not for you
>>109089819Fucking hell why do people keep shilling to me that Wayland x Nvidia is sooo ready to use. This is why I'm nervous about X11 dying.
>>109089830Because they're using dGPUs on a desktop. Switchable graphics has always been hell even on X11.It will get better in time but there's a lot of work to be done on both the compositor side and NVIDIA's side.
>>109089834I imagine you're spot on about that. I guess I'll try again in a year.
>>109089793Oh shut the fuck up Bicha
>>109089716>works on OpenGL/Vulkan full screen apps when not running a compositor. Proof?>useless meme technology. HDR is better than SDR. You're coping. >There is nothing inherently broken with X11 that makes HDR impossible. Not a single X11 session supports HDR>DPI is exposed via randr extension. Upscaling and downscaling isn't the same as fractional scaling and is blurry. >This is possible for more than 30 years If you gave media on both displays you will get stuttering. >The relevant patch is included in XLibreIf it was you would link it. But it doesn't exist because x11 year old loving pedophiles are liars. Like you.
The one thing that I never got to work on Wayland is letting an application move my mouse. For example, old VNs ran on WINE like to automatically move your mouse to a choice when a choice appears on screen.
>>109090269Was this possible on x11? I don't know much about this stuff, I just ask because I want to learn more.
>>109087736bspwm, i3 and everything derived from dwm just work and steam games just play nice, with better fps than on wayland to boot
>>109088309Using your computer rather than fighting it
If Wayland is so great and production ready how come I'm constantly hearing about how every software I use has issues with it? I'm not even doing anything esoteric, digital art, 3D, audio shit... Absolute normie stuff. Wtf do people for whom Wayland is good enough even do with their computers?Meanwhile Xorg just works, despite constant attempts at sabotage. Also apparently Wayland can't even do window shading??
>>109090037> Upscaling and downscaling isn't the same as fractional scalingThat is the shit that Wayland used to do, X11 does not do anything of the kind.
instead of complaining just code or fork your own
>>109087040What does this have to do with XLibre? KDE is removing their X11 compatible session so once its gone from the repos you will not be able to log into the KDE that can use X11 or XLibre. You will need to use a fork of KDE like SonicDE eventually.
>>109091590>You will need to use a fork of KDE like SonicDE eventually.Trinity did it so someone will fork current KDE.
>>109093713Someone already did
>>109093759At least I'm pretty sure SonicDE is planning on keeping up with Plasma. Maybe it's meant to be a specific version only .
>>109093759They need to make it more lightweight, people will use it because its like Plasma but less resource hungry. Also they should change Breeze to something less "accessibility friendly". Many choices have been made to please 1% of the population rather than the majority. Fonts are too big, lines are everywhere. Make it like Plasma but better.
I hate KDE Wayland so much. To get anything close to the features Xorg provides you need to inject javascript over dbus, like getting the active window or taking a screenshot. Then you still lack basic functions like placing the cursor.Who came up with that?This is not a Wayland issue. It is just KDE being retarded.Hyprland is very easy to work with and should just become the standard backend.
>>109093814>resource hungrySeriously what is wrong with you people? No wonder Linux is known as the poorfag OS. I have a 7 year old PC that Plasma Wayland runs perfectly on let alone Plasma X. What kind of piece of shit is your hardware?
>>109093955It's not about whether you can run it, it's about why you want your DE/system to have the requirements of a video game. Just use your head man.
>>109091424Yes it does because it doesn't support fractional scaling.
>>109087040>KDE is completely removing X11 <6 months from now and I'm starting to panickek you fucking baby, go back to windows if you can't use a real DE/window manager
>>109094045Plasma ISN'T resource hungry is the point though.
>>109094121kde is the only de worth using if you actually use your computer
>>109094121>not using fvwmok faggot
>>109094123Not only it's resource hungry, it's also buggy as hell. Keep using it if you want, I quit few months ago.
>>109087067>you will use this free broken slop option or the spying slop option, your choose cattle. don't forget that you are totally totally free
>WAYLAND IS FULL OF PROBLEMS EVERYTHING IS BROKEN>"what are your specs?">10 year old intel UHD
>>109094425>"I don't need "meme features">too broke to own hardware to support itSourGrapesEverySingleTime
>>109094425>>109094879You literally can't even screen record in Wayland
>>109094886Works on my machine
>>109087508>Trinity is already half way thereElaborate
>>109087040>Wayland breaks shit and loses functionality of basic things.no it doesn't. if you're using plasma anyway
>>109093759Hola fucking shit why do open source maintainers choose such bad names dude, just use something like Pulsar or Sound stream.
>>109094886you're not supposed to be posting asking for tech support anon. that's in the rules.
>>109091420How exactly does Wayland have issues with your audio shit again?There are DAWs for Linux that are Wayland only.(As in they require Wayland to function. They have no X11 support)
>>109095649autism
>>109094313Wayland doesn't spy on you. It's actually more secure, in addition to being a smaller codebase making it easier to audit.
>>109094121>>109094132DEs have been deprecated by Wayland shells anyway (noctalia, DMS)
>>109087040>KDESonic DE is a fork of KDE maintaining X11/XLibre compatibility.
>>109087040SonicDE + Xlibre and move on. Personally i'm going to keep using whatever the fuck i want, if i need wayland for some shit software (eg: waydroid) i'll just launch it inside a wayland compositor (eg: weston) and keep using x11 underneath.>inb4 eventually every main software will move to Wayland-onlySame deal, as long as it is feasible i will keep using forks and running ebussified shit inside a standalone compositor. I don't give a flying fuck about "muh standards", the reason i switched to linux 20 years ago is because gives me the power of choosing for myself what shit i can run on MY machines.
>>109095626A lot of the standards from KDE 3 predate the FDO and are preserved in Trinity>.kdelnk instead of .desktop files>user desktop configurations under ~/.trinity>DCOP instead of DBUS>artsd sound system>kgtk package that overrides GTK 2 functions for file dialogs that replaces them with native Trinity dialogsThat's why Trinity can be so jank sometimes, a lot of these systems have to be wrapped in compat/translation layers to work with current XDG standards. For example artsd is supposed to be the main interface for audio, but instead it goes through pulseaudio and that's why the mixer panel seems so lackluster.
>>109094425That's basically perfect hardware in terms of driver support and the cpus they were in are plenty fast.
>>109089793Fuck off back to plebbit
>>109087040we had these threads forever.TLDR:>X is shit, Wayland's design is retarded but still better than X and it's what we have (General Ebussy declared that anything not implemented by wayland has no use case), Wayland is just the protocol and features differ between implementations, Xlibre is a meme made by a nocoder and shilled by lundjew and his poltards followers. And it's 1991+35 and freetards still have no real display server.
>>109087426>troonity>KR-ACKSeriously, is this a fork of an old version of KDE? Is it good? How it's compared to xfce for example?
>>109087040just use kwin wayland it works on nvidia fine nothing you use is actually broken anyway unless youre an immobile cripple
>>109096353It's good and stable but pretty oldschool so if you care about muh modern look and feel, you'll be disappointed.Personally I run Q4OS Trinity edition on my little crapbook because of how light it is and how it fits perfectly with that era of computers.
>>109087456It seems to me, that somehow poltards, maybe through lundjew or some "influencers" and that xlibre retard who made them believe wayland is le evil conspiracy by le evil redhat and troons that try to sabotage linux or whatever, are programmed to hate it. That pig lundjew even sent his goons to openbsd by making them believe it's some kind of chud OS, and some retard was /pol/luting the mailing list and talking about some "lunduke told me". I know it might sound unrelated to TT, but all of this Wayland VS X drama has its root in this, while I won't deny that both of them suck, retards like OP are driven mainly emotionally, the same can be said about wayland fanatics that think X is the devil.
>>109087040>Wayland breaks shit and loses functionality of basic things.it is the superior solution. even valve has gone full wayland.https://blogs.kde.org/2025/06/02/revisiting-x11-vs-wayland-with-multiple-displays/
>>109096403>Lack of scaling per-monitor.Qt supports that on X11, KDE just doesn't use it. You would think that a person that wrote a post on a KDE blog would know that.
>>109087281At hospitals, PCs with a screensaver on mean "powered on, ready for use, and somebody is probably not using it." A lot of them have battery powered, WiFi connected PCs on carts so that the PCs can follow the doctors and nurses when necessary. At the hospital I try to avoid ever having to go to, picrel means "ready for action". Was kinda surprised you can still use it on modern Windows.
>>109096403>it is the superior solutionno, its just less old so there is less legacy cruft in the implementations. the protocol design itself is fucking garbage.
>>109096872>the protocol design itself is fucking garbageexample?
>>109096889https://www.p4m.dev/posts/29/index.html
>>109087289> use case? you mean you don't want your screen to look like a burnt toast after a year.
I opened Okular for a .txt file and it ran some kde bullshit which ate up all the RAM after closing Okular and crashed the desktop, sending me back to the login screen. Fuck kdm
>>109096889he's a troll. every single of their arguments have been debunked.https://wayland.fyi/
>>109087571non-issue, systemd is the (improper) alternative
>>109087459> muh x11 in 2025just ssh -X into a cluster and pretend it's 1999
>>109088607I switched to XLibre and it just works except faster.I use OpenBSD on my emac but X11 is 50% broken on it... but at least they support PPC32 at all.
>>109091317Very easy yes:https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/input/XWarpPointer.htmlRelative to the root window (whole screen) or specific windows if you want that.
>>109096385Hyprland is chudcore though
>>109096535I just wanted to add, it seems to be a conscious IT decision to avoid sleeping and wakeup-related issues. Instead they just rotate carts in and out of service at predefined intervals, probably at shift start/end for the personnel using them. So, the reason some people care about screensavers is because they want explicit control over screen contents during non-usage, and they have concrete reasons for wanting to avoid using sleep.
>>109096385Not a single argument just some delusions about pol and Lunduke. How can you live with yourself?
>>109098582this is the mentally ill wayland propaganda all over that page lol. the fact that people violently shill wayland like this is unnerving
>>109087040every single freedesktop.org system without exception has been bullshit* dbus is not a desktop bus. it lacks message ordering and canceling so the only way to check if an app is responding to its messages is to send a ping* x11 had inter client messages. freedesktop.org said not invented here. instead they split the desktop session into multiple control streams* in the 2000's it was briefly popular to not write code assuming networks and cores and every freedesktop.org decision is from then* x11 security is a matter of whitelisting requests in an api gateway and using the window tree and x client id for more fine grained policies. this was implemented twice but rejected because gtk/qt would crash on a 403
>>109098600...and migrate from dbus to x11 inter client messaging so your desktop session follows your desktop session
>>109096345did you know that before poetteringware, gobject was going to be the default object system for every system and vala had async and yield so your mainloop would stay responsive like youre a professional corporate webshit developer
>>109096385>wayland is le evil conspiracy by le evil redhat and troons that try to sabotage linuxthey weren bullied enough and now theyve spent their entire careers on bullshit with multiple control streams that freezes by design and constant interface churn to give themselves story points and freeze out hobbyists
>>109099134>by le evil redhatwayland is from intel devs, not redhat. please get your facts straight.
>>109094886>can't even screen record in Waylandwhat? But I screen record all the time on wayland? are you retarded?
>>109099328intel makes high quality network equipment and right then was developing multi core, why would intel have retards that break stuff? but the reason freedesktop.org was tolerated for so long is that its so low stakes and now itll all get rewritten by llms to work properly. i want* x server on terra* file browser on luna* ssh -X session on mars that opens the file browser* user initiates 10 gigabyte file transfer from mars to luna then closes its laptop* luna and mars finish the transfer before the file browser closes, or, luna stays online waiting for the user to log back in to tell the user about the error conditionterra is the users cell phone, luna is its desktop, mars is an aws ec2
>>109099375> But I screen record all the time on wayland?No you are using dbus protocols, pipwire and/or portals.It is out of scope for the Wayland protocol to natively support it.
>>109098959>https://wayland.fyi/Insane probably, but it makes me want to write a new X11 impl so there's good in it.>>109097353>https://www.p4m.dev/posts/29/index.htmlGreat read, thanks.
>>109099442have you ever wrote a single line of production code? it was the xorg devs themselves who started wayland. where were you when they needed your help on X? no coder should also be no talker.
>>109087040the xlibre guy seems like a right wing nut and the wayland cultists seem like they're peddling shit just for the sake of... crabs in bucket mentality? who knows. but atm i don't know if xlibre or wayland would feel less painful.
>>109099740XLibre is a drop-in replacement, for me (on Debian) it was beyond painless. I never bothered reading the drama which helps.
>>109096385not even an x fanatic, wayland has INSANE input lag across every implimentation.switching KDE from x11 to wayland introduced input lag.switching from i3 to sway introduced input lag.switching gnome from x11 to wayland introduced input lag.i tried hyprland too, that had input lag as well.meanwhile, xfce and cinnamon over x11 do not have ANY input lag.xlibre allows for lagless tearfree display, which is now enabled by default and works especially well on intel iGPUs.nobody in any thread has ever had a fix for this, nobody is concerned with this, everyone has 500hz screens on their $2000 gaming laptops.wayland constantly forces vsync and only allows disabling in fullscreen games (which doesnt work 100% of the time outside of hyprland window rules) and i need it disabled IN ALL APPLICATIONS, even windowed ones.im willing to settle with having every app tear, but that is not good enough for wayland developers, who think that forcing vsync is absolutely amazing. look ma, no more tearing!there are no options, no way to disable this, nothing.the protocol is DESIGNED to increase input lag arbitrarily in the name of "no tearing" which you could already enable in x11 with a compositor or tearfree, but at least with x11 you have the option of preferring low latency over correctness.fuck you and your wayland cult, i will not buy a new laptop because of a fucking update on my computer. my laptop has a 60hz display and any lag is extremely noticable. i choose uncomposited xorg over wayland any day.
>>109099690>have you ever wrote a single line of production codeive been writing corpo webshit for years thats network native and fully async
>>109099664Whats the difference though, if something works with wayland as opposed to literally being used by it, if the functionality is all the same for the end user. Why does wayland have to be the one that is actually recording?
Valve will likely keep x11, so they might just fork KDE
>>109087040>Wayland breaks shit and loses functionality of basic things. I don't want to move off of KDE either. This blows.There's like full feature parity with X11 on KDE Wayland, what are you smoking retard?
>>109099964SteamOS already defaults to Wayland
>>109099973NTA but there is no parity and there will never be parity because of the way Wayland is designed.
>>109087040just have claude put it back for you bro, then post the patches in a git fork to f with them.
>>109099959> Whats the differenceLack of standardization.There are now 5 different incompatible ways to do screen sharing.> functionality is all the same for the end user.The end user now has to make sure the app is supported by the compositor and vice versa. This mix and match overhead is responsible for most headaches for users of Wayland.> Why does wayland have to be the one that is actually recording?Wayland does essentially nothing.Consequently it should be used by nobody.
Konqi is sexo but you have to accept that KDE is an enemy of your penis
>>109100314>KDE is an enemy of your penisgnome is the one with the reverse-racism clause in their CoC though
>>109087600NO THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. YOU ARE TRYING A MIDDLE ROAD APPROACH. That cannot be. GET RID OF THE OLD NOW!!. You are the problem!!! USE SYSTEM D OR I FUCKING KILL YOU. No middle man bulshit.Pieces of shit like you will get fucking killed. Go trans o go die somewhere.
>>109087571Systemd called itself the standard and now suddently everyone is supposed to follow it?
>>109087040use case for supporting literal fascism?
>>109100569why is it facist, anon?
>>109088315>The thing i dislike the most about it is fractional scaling xft.dpi is superior.Finally someone said it. The "x11 doesn't support dpi scaling" shit people pushed was always a meme. All relevant applications implement UI scaling using xft.dpi
>>109100530>USE SYSTEM D OR I FUCKING KILL YOU.No, you won't. You can't even write a compositor.
>>109100314Mouse is bestie, she looks small but there is so much stretch...
>>109091420>digital art, 3D, audio shit... Absolute normie stuffDo you people ever listen to yourselves? Normies are on phones using tiktok and playing fortnite. The second you touch a real computer, let alone use a computer for more than filing taxes and watching youtube, you're not a normie anymore. The percentage of computer users doing "digital art, 3D" or "audio shit" must be a fraction of a percent.
>>109100575The author is a nazi
>>109100624why is he a nazi, anon?
>>109089716>Multi display VRR>The relevant patch is included in XLibreIs this true?Last time I tried gsync stopped working when I plugged a second monitor
>>109100632dev is "anti dei" aka racist and transphobicI don't want to spoonfeed you the whole situation, it is a known fact with many discussion theads on this issue
>>109100530everyone should write their own init system once to see how it works
>>109100674> dev is [political bullshit], therefore use inferior softwarein another 5 years, gayland will have been trying to replace x for half as long as x has existed
>>109100700this [political bullshit], is real issues out there in the real world.perhaps step out of your cave to see people being discriminated against because they DARED to express themselves,and a few of them actually faced violence and death,so no, fuck nazis. and fuck you for supporting them
>>109090037>muh pedophilliahttps://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/229
>>109100674>equityliteral racism btw, which you supposedly oppose
>>109100674>dev is "anti dei" aka racist and transphobicI sort of recall seeing something like this last time I went to the github, but now I can't find anything like that on the current project page, perhaps this is something the author put behind them. However, right now the website does say:>The XLibre projectis free of discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcome. Anybody who's interested in bringing X forward is welcome too.To me, this signals that the project is very progressive, and sounds like exactly what you want. It sounds like anyone is allowed to contribute, regardless of race and gender.I'm also not sure if being racist or transphobic is equal to that of being a Nazi, this would kind of be like calling someone a Liberal for supporting gay marriage. I'm sure the author doesn't consider themselves a Nazi, have you asked if they are a Nazi? I'm also not sure all Nazis would consider themselves facist.
>>109100300I notice you avoided >>109094930 because it left your asshole completely gaped lmao.
>>109100734>links an open issue>last entry almost a year agoso does XLibre actually do anything aside from just enabling TearFree
>>109100734That has absolutely nothing to do with multi-display VRR lmaoYou actually lost.
>>109100855also Xnamespaces but you probably wont use it, so not really.
>>109100730i am just glad that i am not retarded enough to think like this
>>109100730Your trolling is too obvious man. It's not even funny.
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