According to the NSA, a possible state-actor (most likely china) gain a zero day backdoor and took all the documentation
>>109088790ESL detected
>>109088790hope the chinx steal fucking everything, the globohomo chip monopoly must end.
>>109088790cool, maybe chip prices will come crashing down. Bad news for europoors I guess if true, that's like their only modern tech company
>>109088790>(((state-actor)))Can they stop saying? Nobody trust them.
>>109088819ESL detected once more.
>>109088793spbp
>>109088824Your words mean nothing Juden.
>>109088819Every time I don’t even have to look to know
>>109088790>picrel Jeff Bridges ?
>>109088790I don't give a fuck about "saving the west" anymorelet them have it
>>109088790Europeans don't care, they let their leaders import unlimited numbers of hostile invaders and offer virtually zero pushback.
>>109089103>German, with a country of 85 million people, have less than 1M foreignersDo we REALLY believe this?
The miggers are implying that ASML sold the machine to China Never trust a migger
false flag even incoming. Israel is scampering. Jews are plotting. Beware. FIFA 2026
>>109088790And it is bad because?
>>109089092Yes - if "western" chipmakers are going to continue behaving the way they do, then China can have it. Why should i give a fuck about companies like SK Hynix if they only care about Sam Altman's ponzi schemes
>>109089128anon, that's just Berlin, one city.
>>109088790ororits the bugs they employ that walked out with flash drives that have been the subject of news articles in the last few years
>>109089103I don't think that this graphic is all that truthful. The southern border of China is pretty porous, I'd say that there's quite a bit more than that illegally.
>>109088793This.Fuck Njudea, fuck Intelaviv, and fuck AMD Yisrael Chai
>>109088824So fucking what, I would rather read something thoughtful written in poor english than some self-absorbed bullshit from a native speaker.
>>109088790based. fuck glowniggers.
Why would these kinds of top secret files be stored on machines connected to the internet?
Let me guess: they hired a bunch of Chinese nationals because they thought they were cheap skilled labor and would be loyal to the paycheck but instead those employees copied everything they could and sent it back to their home country. Now they're outraged that a hired gun wasn't loyal.
>>109089135funny how these delusional boomers think they are omnipotent just to see people do all sorts of shady shit under the rug and fuck them over
is this true? is this good or bad? what does this mean for my daily life and possibly purchasing price of computers?
>>109088790>>109089135>ASML sold an EUV machine to China for $400M>it takes half a dozen cargo planes to ship the EUV over to be assembled>Howard Nutlick: "YOU CAN'T DO THAT! CHINA STOLE IT!"The same Howard Nutlick, who said he never met Epstein, who was later found out to be Epstein's neighbour, where he and his wife visited frequently, and was named in Epstien's file as having traveled to be on his island multiple times, while photographed?THAT Howard Nutlick?
>>109088790Who cares, they literally don't have the knowhow to assemble the raw materials needed to assemble the machine
>>109089849>Nut Lick was a regular at Epstein's islandThe joke writes itself
>>109089575Chinese Americans specifically most likely.
Asml is old news, they already have a different method of fabrication in china
>>109088790Why's there a picture of a pedophile on this article?
>>109088790or maybe, just maybe, asml sold a machine to the chinese with instructions on how to use it.but it does go well with the leh china bad propagand from the united states of isreal
>>109088790Chinese are trying different method, logic folding.Seems like basically stacking on each other, sounds like disaster for thermal management.
>>109088790And that's a good thing™ — unironically.
>>109090827or more like ASML is in deep doo doo if they broke EAR because those machines contain US-sources technology or software. of course they will deny as long as they can.
>>109091073the us as nothing to do with asml, but nice schizo rent
>>109091117time to do your homework
>>109089849are you stupid and can't read? lutnick specifically referenced shipping manifests of parts of EUV machines that are only used to make one. they don't have a dual purpose.
>>109090658Every younger chinese american I've ever met was a die hard CPC crony, without even ever benefitting from them. Literally 2nd and 3rd generation chinese who went to university on FAFSA, paid for by americans, and mentored by old white boomers and gen xers through their masters and PhDs, turn around and say America is evil, americans are evil, and that China will rise and America will become irrelevant. They'd probably help China for free.
>>109088790I hope amerifags aren't pissing off the chinese too much to the point where they won't sell cheap tech to the rest of the world anymore when they start making ram and cpu's that don't require the payment of a daily anal ravaging
>>109091195Why shouldn't they?Chinks have been racially abused in shartmerica since forever, even though they help build railroads, don't commit a lot of crime, and generally contribute.
>>109089849>>109091141So China and ASML bypassed US sanctions by dissasembling the machine and selling each part separately? It can't be that easy right? Like you couldn't buy an Nvidia B200 GPU by into the PCB, GPU die, cooler and bring that legally into China right?
>>109090700Nah, logic folding would only bring China into parity but if they also had EUV on top of logic folding then Chinese chips would be surpassing what TSMC, Samsung and Intel are building.
>>109089135Intersting how a year before an AI overview post would be pissed over by every anon whereas it's completely normal now.
>>109090843They're not mutually exclusive, if they had access to EUV they could make the transistors smaller on top of logic folding which would make their chips more advanced than any other fab in the world right now.
>>109088790Do you have a more credible source than Bloomberg?
>>109091195i'm a white american and i would help china for free. fuck this godawful judeo-indian hellhole.
>>109091353You know EUV hasn't panned out as the magic bullet everyone was hoping for. Even if China had fully working ASML EUV lithography machine and then reverse engineered it, that's only one part of the toolset, and it took decades for Intel and TSMC to integrate EUV in a production node.
>>109091073>or more like ASML is in deep doo dooYeah, because the burgerniggers can totally just use their equivalent of ASML to make that equipment. Oh wait.. no. They're too fat and retarded.
>>109091422you have it ass-backwards. ASML has, over the years, bought US technologies which brings it under EAR purview.
Great I hope the chinks surpass and destroy the west. Fuck the west. It's time for the Chinese century. I am a failed freakish child who was not embraced by his village. So may it burn to the ground. Praise be China and all hail China
>>109091410this, fuck jews and fuck any country that worships them like shartmerica
>>109088790too bad, shitnick, go suck off trump>>109091840this but unironically
>>109088790China's entire existence after WW2 is owed to Nixon normalizing relations and the entirety of Europe and its colonies such as the USA outsourcing all of their industry and knowledge to them for some inexplicable reason.Giving away all your stuff to a third world agrarian shithole because... cheap slave labor? Really strategically sound decision there, capitalists.
>>109088790If they use this to do a capitalism and compete on price I unironically support itBut what are the chances of that?
>>109088790Good. China > Epstein kikes like this freak
>>109088790>provide zero proof with accusationUSrael at it again!
>>109088790Oh no how will pro EU subhumans be able to cope when ASML gets taken away from them? Has the EU council released the necessary emergency funding to suicide hotlines?
>>109090843Chips have been "stacked" since the end of the 90s or so.
>>109091195Many people who are not ethnically Chinese are also saying this these days. The US has spent the past half decade openly destabilizing global trade and committing genocides in increasingly desperate attempts to cling to its waning global hegemony, who would want a global power like that to succeed?
>>109092370More importantly, the US has been attacking its own people for ages. Why would americans have any loyalty to a country that wants it dead? Of course chinks want to kill whitey even more but that isn't what the people on the ground say day to day, they only see their own government loudly proclaiming they want to kill them.
>>109088793This. China has my support.Liberate the machines, compute for everyone.
>>109088790OH NO! Anyway...
Taiwan is the real China
>>109092436China is just mainland Taiwan.
>>109092436Taiwan doesn't want to be the real China. Yes I know it's technically written in the constitution. It's only there for geopolitical security reasons. Trust me, not even KMT oldheads want to annex China and babysit 1.4 billion even if they could do it at the press of a button.
>>109092470Correct.
>>109088790are amerigoys ever embarrassed how they're represented by pedophiles at seemingly every level? or are they at UK levels of "I don't give a shit if kids get raped" at this point?
>>109092552anything goes if you're rich
>>109092616but most of the ameridoofs supporting these people are dirt poor with about a 0% chance of ever making anything of themselves
>>109092725>Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.Ignore the socialist shit because who cares the underlying statement is 100% true and relevant here.There is no poverty in the US, just temporarily (for life) down on their luck millionaires with a liquidity problem. This is why they just take everything, they think any minute now they'll be a part of it.In the UK on the other hand it's more just being born into classes for life and looking down on anyone that isn't part of your class while kissing ass upwards. Really makes you wonder why do Indians love Britain and ex British colonies soo much..
>>109088793MY LIFE FOR BEIJING
>>109092436-20 social credit, please be more mindful with your posting in the future
>>109088790GLORY TO THE CCP.
>>109089135Doesn't surprise me. Keep in mind that ASML is Dutch, and that the Dutch government just blocked a takeover of the Solvinity hosting services company by Kyndryl.Solvinity helps host the Dutch government's digital government and social services infrastructure and indirectly, if they'd float an undetected backdoor, has access to all Dutch citizens' personal data. And Kyndryl is in bed with Thiel and Ellison, and their merry band of assfucking panopticon idolatrists.It's very obvious what's happening here - I'd hope?This is 'punishment.'
so?rather give it to China than to the Epstein Empire
>>109091126They're correct though. The US *used* to have some patents on EUV radiation generation using tin droplets, but they discontinued that research because they deemed it unrealistic that it would ever work in practice. ASML took a big gamble and continued refining it, until they *did* in fact get it working. No US resources went into that. They did that on their own. And it came to a make-or-break situation more than a few times, where they were INCREDIBLY lucky to pull through.Meanwhile, the US let its patents on their unrealized technology expire. So afaik ASML is off the hook.What's theirs is theirs, and the US can suck it.
>>109091583>bought US technologiesYou can surely name them then, right?
>>109093094>US TechnologiesCrackMethHydrocodoneOxycodoneThe Lightbulb; andAlprazolam
>>109093094Niggers
>>109088790They sold them one
>>109093094according to ASML:>We have completed several strategic and focused mergers and acquisitions over the past years to further support our growth and technological advancement as a company.>In 2001, we acquired the Silicon Valley Group, whose site in Wilton, Connecticut, US, is now a major R&D and manufacturing center.>In 2007, we acquired Brion, a US company specializing in computational lithography for integrated circuits. Brion's portfolio has since become a cornerstone of our Holistic Lithography product strategy.>In 2013, we acquired Cymer, a US manufacturer of light sources, to accelerate the development of the next-generation lithography technology EUV.
>>109093094infinity EBT
>>109088790LMAO, they can't even stop everybody else to use their backdoors created to spy and control their own citizens.
>>109089616more competition is always better
>>109092386settle down, Haim.
>>109088793this
>>109089849He is also known as "Lucky Howard Lutnick" because he was supposed to be in the WTC on 9/11 but called out sick. His brother parished in the attacks.
>>109088793Lmao china sucks
>>109088790Fuck yeah! Go China!
How come china can only steal and copy but never create on their own? Are the chinese just stupid thieves?
>>109094535Mao destroyed any sense of honorable behavior in their culture.
>>109088793Spbp. There is zero good reason for me to defend the chip cartel because of (((national interests)))>>109094535They steal from jews and improve upon it for cheaper, thus making it so that the west can't just hoard tech for years upon years and charge a premium for it. China is saving capitalism from destroying itself, funny enough
>>109091195Its called being loyal to your country. For some reason, the west has lost this idea. And worst of all, they naively think the same is true for everyone else.
>>109091073You might be right, but between tariffs and warhawk nonsense you can see the other advanced economies are actively decoupling from the US and no longer consider US preferences to have veto power. The Dutch in particular have been moving aggressively toward maximizing digital sovereignty. I suspect they told ASML that even if they get sanctioned by the US in some way their banking arrangements are secure.USians and miggers in particular don't comprehend that other countries that have been around longer than US have experience of hegemonic collapse, either of competing powers of their own. The fact that it's been convenient and profitable until now to go along with the post WW2 financial infrastructure like SWIFT etc does not mean they're incapable of building/managing anything else.>>109091195I feel the same way as a white yuropian that has spent half my life in the US but not had any sort of public aid. It's not that I resent the US or idealize the Chinese (who have their own social and cultural weak points), but the US has gradually become drunk on its own power since WW2 and it's gotten substantially worse over the 26 years since 9-11. >>109091947I think a lot of US capitalists huffed their own farts and thought they could just use China as a compliant workforce that would be grateful to toil in Uncle Sam's factories but would never be able to compete or innovate. It's practically an article of faith among many on the right that other countries/ races are cognitively incapable of inventing things or improving on US technology. The fact of getting most of a continent for free relatively late in the global civilization game did a real number on Americans' heads; many USians assume their national success is the result of inherent systematic superiority rather than winning the geographic lottery.
If they have a machine, it will take them a decade to learn how to use it, let alone reverse engineer it well enough to copy it. Even if they managed to quickly copy it, shit out a ton of lithography equipment and start mass processing silicon, prices still wouldn't go down because everyone would just double down on data centers some more. In the future you will not own a computer, chud.
>>109094570Being loyal to a country that wants you dead so they can replace you with a cheaper jeet for extra gdp, is cuck behavior
>>109088790Explain why Netherlands/ASML need to lose out on $400M per EUV machine or $1B per high-NA EUV machine because they aren't allowed to sell to China.Imagine losing $50B+ a year because you can't sell to China. Only cuckolds would lose this much money to appear America. Unless USA is giving them money per sales lost to China, it's not worth it.
>>109094592>country imports immigrants, therefore you should no longer be loyal to your countryLoser mentality
>>109088793This, I like chinks because they are simply greedy. They aren't like jews, evil and constantly trying to control and humiliate the goyim, they just want money.If the jew will try to price you out of physical hardware for their societal control 4d chess bs, the chink will just find an opportunity to make money by selling you at a price you can afford
>>109092436>>109092489Taiwan gets mad when you call them China.
Why are retards on /g/ so... retarded?Do you know the implications of ASML selling EUV machines to China?You can count the number of companies that can make cutting edge chips on 1 hand. If you let China make cutting edge chips, devices with 3/2nm chips will only become cheaper due to China flooding the market with chips. This will hurt the companies who uses these chips to make their hardware. Imagine if the prices of your CPU, GPU, ram, phones, etc all going down in prices and the companies stops getting record profit year after year.Why the fuck would you retards want this shit?
>>109091840
>>109094605Being loyal to bad things is bad. The fact that both sides are bad doesn't actually add any nuance, we simply hope both sides behave badly in a way that minimally inconveniences us.
>turns out ASML didn't fly a dozen cargo planes to Beijing carrying a 200,000 metric ton EUV machine with 100,000+ individual parts that requires 100+ Dutch engineers to secretly fly over without alerting the US to assemble over weeks>it actually was just China building a domestic prototype EUV machine just like they said they would at the beginning of the year
>>109088793lol why would they sell it to you for cheap?
>>109094675>all you need to compete with tsmc is an euv machineretard
i don't care
>>109088793Thank you China.
why is it a good thing that ASML and TSMC have a monopoly on advanced chip manufacturing?
>>109088790based China. They will mass produce chips lowering the price of everything. Can't wait. The Chinese are God's chosen people.
>>109095366They already sell everything for cheap. They don't have an incentive to be Jewish.
>>109095366Cheaper stuff = more (potential) buyers
>>109088793Mandate of Heaven award
>>109088790I'm gay. Does China know that? They don't know shit.
>>109091840Yeah we know youre trans.
>>109091195Why wouldn't they be desu senpai. They saw china go from nothing to based in 2 decades while America get fucked and decline in the same timespan
>>109094535How come you always find retarded amerimutts in those threads that ignore objective reality such as (You)rself?
>>109094535You know the answer to that. Of course they're just stupid thieves. Even in 2000 bc their neighbors mocked them for it according to historical records.
why do i have to pay so much for GPU and memory?i don't understand why the supply can't be increased.
I tried to ask a LLM how many sci fi scenarios have a setting which primarily consists of the human population being mostly White and Asian. It couldn't give a satisfactory answer, but i feel like it is a sci fi trope.Interesting to think that, if true, a consistent theme when considering the future is White + Asian. I can feel it, Whites innovate in creative complex ways that no other race seems to be able to do, while the bugs worry about efficiency by any means necessary.
>>109089451like this?>>109091323as an esl, i remember when thirdies who could barely string a sentence together were actively shunned and we should go back to those times. the jeetery is unbearable
>>109088790Once China starts making something close to Alder Lake and Ampere, globohomo is kill.
>>109095668more expensive stuff = less stuff to make, less buyers, same profitthere's zero incentive to make cheap stuff instead of slightly less expensive stuff
>>109090843> basically stacking on each otherisnt that essential how every cpu works? I cant remember when cpu werent two three layers stacked https://floooh.github.io/visualz80remix/
>>109096775it's always the turdies who go "I'm not like those other turdies"learning english doesn't make you any less brown rajesh
>>109091195if americans weren't american they'd totally say that. this isn't the 80s anymore grandpa/boomer
>>109097088logic was always single layer.>>109090843power density matters less if you're already doing water cooling. instead the increased compute density gives you more wiggle room on other shit like networking. >>109091353it would become prohibitively expensive since euv chips cost exponentially more than duv. retarded markets driven by hysteria like nvidia will stackmaxx like they do hbm but cost-conscious nations like china who retained even a babby tier grasp of supply chains would never.
>>109091947even back then they were desperate for china's market. business elites longed for the opium war days when they pseudo colonized china and all its commerce. it's why they even went as far as giving up taiwan, which was a hard requirement of the cpc for normalizing relations.the cheap labor shit was an accident. what they were really after was walmart and starbucks on every corner and ford on every street, which they could only have sustained if they made that shit local. it went so well for them that they decided to say adieu to america.america only has itself to blame, for being so bad at everything that the traditional, battle-tested colonialist ploy of resource and labor extraction at a discount could have been flipped on its head and turned against them.
>>109095366China works on high-volume, low-margin business model.They need to sell millions of anything to pay for the operation costs.
>>109088790Jewish intellectual property laws don't apply to China. Every country gets to decide what laws to follow. That's what it means to be sovereign.
>>109096833The market for x86/amd64 is small and pointless. China wants the arm market for sub-6nm chips.Think about it. For every desktop running Windows, there are 33 Android phones running Linux. Most of Amazon's servers are already ARM, and the future will be local AI models running in dedicated ARM/RISC-V or whatever comes next.
>>109091195very based
>>109088793This. I fail to see how ending a monopoly is a bad thing.
>>109088790>blueprint>documentationSpoken like a true joblet. This shit isn't a mass-market toyota you can whip up the manufacturing line for if you have the schematics. Any advanced process is like 80% institutional knowledge (shit in people's heads nobody wrote down), 15% pure coincidence (shit nobody even knows about is a factor) and 5% process written down. This is the most advanced process on earth, it's like a 1-of-1 hypercar times latest generation jet. It's a dark art, the one place it's made in it's BARELY so, it breaks constantly, requires 24/7 maintenance by on-staff technicians. Every internal part in it is just as difficult.
>>109089128*less than 1kI don't know how you get 0.369 of an immigrant
>>109094605>Country gives away 97% of jobs to foreigners and women>Expects your loyaltyI have no love for my country but I would have love for my nation if it still existed.
>>109098316>lump of labour brainletYou have no love for your country because you're a fucking loser with an overinflated self-worth and it won't force success onto you
>>109091323>It can't be that easy right?Didn't the chinks disassemble an ASML machine trying to reverse engineer it and then had to beg ASML to put it back together for them? Yeah, I don't think it's that easy.Heh, it was in my browser history.>https://wccftech.com/chinese-engineers-tried-to-reverse-engineer-asml-duv-machines-only-to-break-them/
>>109098406i have no love for my country because it's ran by genocidal satanic pedophiles
>>109089368
>>109091339>Chynah numbah 1!!!!
>>109089849>who said he never met Epstein, who was later found out to be Epstein's neighbour, where he and his wife visited frequently, and was named in Epstien's file as having traveled to be on his island multiple times, while photographed?His denials of that were so fucking funny.>I visited his house once and he showed me his massage room>I was so disgusted I told my wife that we'll never speak to that man again>What do you mean there are numerous records of me meeting him afterwards?
>>109089135>US government>BloombergThe only way this is true is if the combination of two lies ended up at truth.Both the US government and Bloomberg have a history of just inventing accusations towards China. "We fear it therefore it must be true!"When a Republican says "evidence", he means, "A right-wing commentator said it was true." The Republican reality is built completely on lies.
>>109088790USA should impose a 900% tariff on ASML machines or even outright ban them.Let them sell to China instead.
If it's that easy to steal, why wouldn't the USA do it first?
>>109094553>Mao destroyed any sense of honorable behaviorthat's right, Mao deliberately inflicted the great famine so that good chinks who were nice would die out, leaving behind only the worst aholes to reset the chink culture. dictators throughout history can only dream of approaching the body count of Mao
>>109098406You get your worldview from wikipediaAmazon leaked a memo identifying that multiracial workforces are less likely to form unions
>>109096624did china ever get around to producing a ballpoint pen that doesn't scratch up paper like a garden hoe
>>109098294That's true.In fact not even ASML know how to make EUV machines from scratch, they need hundreds of highly specialized subcontractors.Many components can only be made by some guys with years of experience at some small companies doing something nobody else in the world does.
>>109094570(((For some reason)))Add it to the list
>>109100748I thought unions are gay shit that doesn't work?
>>109088790Has the USA tried getting gud?
