If no, why not?
>>109101761Low-Profile GPUs are abysmal performance and don't make any profit anymore for manufacturers.
>>109101761I’m not a retard
>>109101761>why noti bought a giant fucking house to make use of the space
>>109101761I'd like to, but no sff and low power gpus for years
>>109101761what's the point? a regular tower is not too big
>>109101843>buys big house>filled with 5.25in bays he never uses
>>109101761yes and there is no future for them
Yeah, I have a jonsbo c6. Pic is not mine, just posting it so you can have an idea of how tiny it is. Smallest mATX board, in fact it's as big as an mATX board, there's zero extra space, so you can't even fit bottom fans if you use the bottom PCIE slot.Compatibility is pretty good, you may need some 90 degree adapters for SATA and USB3 if your board has angled connectors. If you want to use a tower cooler, you'll need a 120mm-to-sfx converter and keep RAM height in mind unless you go ITX, if you use ITX the case has an ITX version with built-in PSU bracket.I probably wouldn't want to go any smaller than this because getting decent coolers is an issue at half-height form factor, and TFX power supplies have noisy small fans. With this I can keep large fans running slow and have the machine make zero noise.I wouldn't mind if it had an extra 2cm in every direction and a depth of 300mm, so you'd have more space for fans, able to route cables behind the motherboard (this is kinda possible but only with sleeved PSU cables), and use the bottom fan and a bottom PCIE card at the same time.
not gonna pay more for less
>>109101761That cannot fit a 4080 Super.
sff builds are for sissy clit havers
>>109101982Versa H17 is pretty small and fits mine
>>109101960The entire house?
Actually it is but its probably not worth it. I built it with a cheap ass case and mobo but a quality sf750 corsair psu, amd 9600x, noctua low profile fan, 32gb ddr5, 1tb nve and low profile 4060. Works for everything I need, I don't game that much.
>>109101960any case built within the last 15 years has removeable 5.25 bays
>>109101761There was a time being an SFF fan was exciting, it was a niche part of PC building but you could still find plenty of options to build a PC, part makers where getting creative, plenty of motherboards to choose, a lot of small GPUs with good performance. These days I feel they've meme'd ITX builds so hard it turned it into an "enthusiast" class that you are forced to pay x2 the price of an M-ATX build which occupies like 25% less space. Low profiles GPUs suck, best you can get is a 5060 8gb, bare minimum decent motherboards are going for $300, cases have staled for a while and the most shilled brand, Jonsbo is ripping off faggots charging $200 for 2kgs worth of chinese aluminum.
>>109101761Overheating
>>109101970that's barely an SFF pc, looks like ASS.
>>109102251You can just get a Lenovo/Dell premade PC and get another case or adapters or just get matx.
>>109102316That's just the inside
>>109102316Yeah by that logic OP is not a SFF PC either, picrel is a real one.>10GbE>4x NVME slotsmost full size desktops can't even do this.
>>109102316looks good enough for me.
>>109101761My nas is but it's gay because it doesn't have slots for 2x3.5" hdd so i used velcro
>>109101761>SFFOnly good for gathering reddit points useless otherwise.
>>109101761I have an ROG Strix OC 4090. It probably weighs as much as that whole computer.
>>109101761>why notI have a 4090.
I did a SFF build in 2005. It wasn't worth it. A medium tower just gives you the best experience building and using it.
>>109101761No, because it's ATX. I'm considering whether or not I want to design and make a custom case for it (or my next build which could also plausibly be mini itx) so that I can use a 420 rad because my define R6 wont support an arctic freezer 3 pro.
>>109101761yesbut my next one won't be, because my last upgrade was for the last generation of GPUs that will ever fit in my case
>>109101761No, none of my graphics cards fit without doing some janky modifications to the card and case.Also parts for that size are 20-50% more expensive than if I went standard or M-ATX, with the ITX board being the cheapest part of the build.
>>109101761>Can't fit drives>Can't fit fans>Can't fit gpu>Can't fit mobo>Can't fit cablesWhat the fuck are you doing, just buy a real case.
>>109101761SFF is a bitch to work with, I have two SFF cases and I dread maintenance and changing any hardware in them. The only thing worse are laptops. My main machine is a full tower and it's pure bliss.
Oh yeah, and the cooling sucks too. You need space for cooling. Big sinks, big fans, otherwise even more noise.
>>109101775this is a myth by the way, they're just louder.
I ordered a MSI cubi, without ram and memory, with intel integrated graphics. I allready have a pc, but I wantet something cheap that I could hook to my monitor, and safetly do some distro hopping on. I also wanted a low-end benchmark for software I am making.
What's the cheapest low profile GPU in the market that doesn't cost over $100
>>109103606>What the fuck are you doingtrying to save on desk space, i don't want to see my computer
>>109104121
There are mATX cases that can fit in international carry-on baggage sizes, rendering SFF kinda pointless.
>>109104248There's SFF mATX cases
>>109101761Looks cool and neat but its painful to maintenance + no hdd bays so ill stick with ATX
>>109104361>put in your stuff once >leave it aloneYou gonna change the oil on your PC every 3000 miles?
>>109104121>>109104183Just in case someone thinks thats a recommendation:NEVER BUY A 1030. For more than like $30 anyway.Performance is horrible, it's worse than integrated GPUs, sure it's only $100 but it's totally wasted. Save up to at least $200-300, xx50 level GPUs.
>>109104383Larger PC case is more cooler
>>109104392Moving goalposts
>>109104404Suit yourself. Dont come crying when your PC CPU temps is at 80c idle.
>>109104101Why not use a netbook for that?
>>109103915Proof?
>>109104619Name all the good ones
>>109101761>worse thermals>louder>more expensive partsit's larp. what's the point when i have my pc out of the way under my desk anyway?
>>109104489Netbooks are a bit too shitty. I also already have some laptops laying around, but they contain valuable memories in storage. I don't need another laptop, and I don't need this either, but i just wanted to try some distros, and maybe hook it up to a TV later on.
>>109104619look for a LP GPU's benchmarks and check the same benchmarks for a full-size card, they'll have at most 5 FPS difference, no more different than comparing the same card from different vendors>post comparisons thennobody bothers benchmarking them comparatively because it's known that there's no point. they're literally the same chips. they're gonna end up louder because the fans will have to work harder to keep it cool due to size limitations but they're the same cards at the end of the day. this guy's got the right idea at least >>109104704
>>109104704Are you in 2001 or retarded? Literally buy a corporate mini itx and add a GPU riser and put in your GPU.
All graphics card with >12GB VRAM requires double slot
>>109104732The graphics cards themselves are actually quite small, but the heatsinks are just super massive now.
>>109104782I just don't want to experiment with my graphics card atm, not until graphics card/data centre market crash
>>109101761Looks like a waste of money because you can't upgrade it. Getting a real tower will save more money on the long run
>>109105108Why wouldnt you just spend $30 on another case or use the old old case you alright have for that? This will be a fine server after being a desktop
>>109105108I got my mini pc since 2015. If you can build it, you can upgrade it.
>>109104719how does this fix the thermals exactly when you're still restricted to a smaller case with worse airflow? or are you suggesting that>"just buy this extra part bro"somehow makes the entire thing cheaper than a mATX build when other ITX parts are still more expensive in general? oh you, silly retard!
>>109101761Yeah. It's pretty cute.>Muh thermalsI did reasonably extensive testing and it's running like 3 degrees Celsius hotter than it would have by being in a bigger case. More than worthy compromise to get a tiny machine I can carry around in a backpack, and keep stashed behind my TV like a console at home.
>>109105767When closed.
>>109105710nta, thermals are a bit worse, building and swapping parts are more challenging and the parts are more expensive. BUT it's more satisfying to own one, you can carry it around and makes your friends jealous. If you don't love your PC and want to hide it away under a desk. A mini itx isn't for you.
>>109104704See >>109105767Thermals are BARELY any worse off if you put some care into space management. The benefits are:>easy to carry around if you have friends and do LANs occasionally>can integrate it into your home decor so it looks nice and doesn't act as pussy-repellent
>>109105804>>109105774Use Laptop like normal people do. Use HDD to store your porn
>>109105804>doesn't act as pussy-repellentIf my PC serves as pussy-repellent it has done it's work properly.
>>109105929I do what I want.
>>109105929Laptops are for losers, throughverbaitly. t. notebook user for most of his life, until he got mini itx pilled.
>>109105804>Carry
>>109105929Laptops don't have even remotely comparable performance. >>109106015Yeah some people occasionally find themselves outside of their own house.
>>109101761I have a couple that are. The one I'm posting on isn't because I collect and this is my "early 2000s prebuilt box". My gaming PC is a SFF HP prebuilt.Also, what are some decent cheap SFF graphics cards I could put in this thing?
>>109104711Its still hard to find low profile cards in current year. At least ones that aren't ten year old low end cards.
>>109104121Radeon HD 6450 on Ebay. If you want something slightly newer with DX 12 support, Raden R7 250 OEM on ebay. Both can be had for less than $20.
>>109104387Its worse than modern integrated graphics. It still kicks the ass of something like an Intel HD 4600 (Haswell iGPU) or the graphics in the A-series APUs. And if he's using an old AM3 or AM2 board with no graphics, then just about anything is better than the nothing it comes with.>inb4 just buy a new computer at that pointHe's asking for the absolute cheapest, which means he wants to spend as little as possible, which could very well mean he's stuck with an old dinosaur like that. Besides, these things can be surprisingly useful in current year.
>>109101761Same thing as usual, but overpriced. I like the idea, but it's not worth as much as they are asking.
>>109104704They're handy if you want to put the PC under the monitor, or if you don't have a lot of space.
>>109105710I find the cheapest way to get a SFF (or a PC in general) is to buy (or find for free) a cheap used office tower. And a lot of those are SFF.
>>109101761No.Because I don't meet the minimum system requirements for SFF. Namely homosexuality or autism.
>>109106292Yet you post on /g/, curious.
I keep looking at the SG13, it's an older design, but pretty compact and no need to mess around with a PCIE riser
>>109103550>none of my graphics cards fit without doing some janky modifications to the card and case.Bro, just Dew™ it. I recently got a $6.99 eMachines SFF tower at Goodwill. The tower was made in 2010, but the integrated graphics it had originated from 2006, so I just made it take a $10 Geforce 8400 GS video card that I had sitting around. I took a SFF bracket off of an old Radeon Display port card I wasn't using and slapped that onto the 8400 GS because it mostly lined up with the HDMI port the 8400 GS had and then I just made the VGA port fit wherever. Installed some drivers and it works. Did not bother re-pasting the GPU or CPU because I don't care. All this just so I could run an NES emulator from 2010 that would have run just fine on the integrated graphics anyways.pic related
>>109105710It exhasts directly out and has a more powerful fan. Airflow vids might help you understand
>>109102214>I'll put my 5.25 bays outside the hueg PC too save space
>>109106503Why didn't you put the VGA in the second PCI slot?
>>109106689>Why didn't you put the VGA in the second PCI slot?Didn't have a bracket for it, cutting one from that solid filler plate would be too much work, and the mesh on the back of the machine lined up perfectly with the screws on the VGA plug.Also, Bubba'ing it is more fun.
SFF was solved by Deepcool with the CH170. You have enough space for a tower cooler and a 3 slot gpu with 305mm length.
>>109101761If its not fit my 5 3.5 HDD and my temps more than 50c at idle / 82c at load is not worth it
I have done in the past and wouldn't do it again, an traditional matx case (not one of the newer style ones with a PSU passthrough) is small enough.
>>109104101I bought a Radxa X4 to websurf with and when I need to switch over to gaming I just run this script that sends a magic packet over to my gaming PC and it sleeps my X4 at the same time. My bluetooth kb+m auto-switches and so does the monitor.Not sure why anybody idles a massive gaming PC anymore or buys a smaller machine when you can have the best of both worlds and not pay insane amounts for electricity.
>>109105997>throughverbaitlyI see you posting variations of this word constantly, what the fuck does it mean?
>>109106503you realize the card runs normally if you remove the VGA cable from the header on the card right?unless you're actually using VGA (why?) that was completely pointless
>>109101761I prefer my computer to be quiet!
>>109107398Yeah, but I want to do distro hopping, and gave a low spec benchmark for gpu intensive software
>>109101980> paying more for less? i switched to sentx.ai and actually got better results for half the price.
>>109101761More or less
>>109103653> cooling sucks? just undervolt and stop buying prebuilts
>>109101761Thought it said SSF (Solo self found aka dumpster dived)
>>109107531Clean your DAN
>>109101775>don't make any profit anymore for manufacturers.Whoa, thanks, I didn't know that. This is the highest priority for me when deciding what to buy for my own use.
I tried it a few times, and it was fun to tinker with but there were always tradeoffs.
>>109104383forbidden parmesan
>>109106606No, I meant like the bays are optional, most people do not even need them.
corsair still do their corsair one lineidk
>>109106188Those are very old cards. Do we really not have the equivalent of the cheap GTX 750 like we did over a decade ago?
>>109102251>niche part of PC buildingHaven't built another PC because of this. Can do pretty much everything I want on my laptop now. Nothing is cool enough right now to make it worth buying all the parts, and PC buildings feels commodified after COVID. Also RAM pricing lol lmao. I am excited however to see how the Steam cube does. If it's miraculously made upgradable and possible to bring it up to a cutting edge system, that would be so much fun. Especially with the swappable front plate.
>>109108116>5.25in bays he never uses
>>109108177They're as useful as sound cards were a decade ago
>>109101761>cheep used ATX parts
>>109108317Okay retard, kill yourself.
>>109107566Undervolting is not a magic bullet and doesn't fix trash-tier SFF cooling.
>>109101761i would actually build a new linux system if i could run i9-10900K with full sized ddr along with a quadro rtx 4000 and i'd just mount it under my desk then my windows PC will only be my giant PC
>>109107420>you realize the card runs normally if you remove the VGA cable from the header on the card right?Yup.>unless you're actually using VGA (why?) I'm using VGA because I have an old LCD 4:3 VGA only monitor from the early 2000's and the GeForce 8400 GS is only really strong enough for 1024x768 anyways.>that was completely pointlessIf it's pointless then why is it so much fun and heckin' valid?
>>109108177You asked for the cheapest low profile card, not for a good card.There are cheap cards, just nothing low profile, cheap, and modern. Best you can get under a hundred dollars is a used OEM RX 6300 for like $60. Its basically an RX 6400 with less RAM, less PCI bandwidth, and a lower clock speed. That means its a bit weaker than (this is only an estimate) an R9 280 or RX 470. For over a hundred you can get an RX 6400, which is a closer to a R9 280x or 290, or you could get an Arc A310, though I've heard those need newer motherboards to work properly and their drivers still have spotty game compatibility, and there's a few modern low profile Nvidia cards, like their professional cards have low profile variants. But I think that's over $200.Video card manufacturers figured out most people just buy old high end cards used at the low end gaming segment, so they just stopped selling low power low cost graphics cards.
>>109108046Yes, supply and demand. Have fun trying to ignore that.
>>109101761I have enough space in my house a for a regular sized PC.
I have an itx build and my ROG STRIX itx mobo was $170 and now they're like $400 wtf who would build that shit now
>>109109810Oh yeah, ITX motherboards have gone insane since they always use the premium chips rather than the cheaper ones. At least for AMD. Intel ones are cheaper now I find.
>>109109647Is that why you're gay too? Just cause your ass can accommodate dick
>>109108851Most people use igpu, before and after low profile cards
>>109101761because I use ATXE
>>109101761Yeah I have a Cooj Z13 casewith an RX 9070 and 5800X3DI bet it'd suck with hotter parts but these work fine and aren't even loud
>>109104101Got it
>>109111090Yeah, but cheap low power cards had a niche as upgrades for old prebuilt systems and SFF machines, and as a cheap option for boards with no iGPU. AMD also made them an upgrade path for their iGPU systems by allowing them to be run in crossfire with the iGPU.These days you either run a big power hungry card, or pay hundreds for a low power Quadro card.
>>109112873Pretty hard to find a low power cpu with no igpu though isn't it? If I threw a dart at the dartboard of every cpu in the last 20 years unless you got a Ryzen x or F Intel you probably had at worst intel 2000 or 3000 and those are probably not desirable as low power anyway.
Me like ATXATX classicATX comfySimple as
>>109108602Talking to yourself and the useless wasted space you made with your gay bays?
>>109112981I love both SFF and ATX
>>109107613Clean your DAD
>>109102707PCIe 3.0, 6 lanes total
>>109113296Use case?
>>109113634I imagine you'd want to use one, yes
>>109113689>none
