no idea why millions of people felt entitled to high paying SWE jobs. there’s people in my office i want fired, much less MORE of these people brought in.

>>109109061
shouldn't have moved out of his parents' house if he couldn't afford it.
instead of working at McDonald's to pay me shekelstein he could have all the time in the world to work on his own startup, to gayme or to goon or all of those.

I'd be happy to get a job delivering pizzas.

>>109109061
He should move to Silicon Valley and start a union for software engineers.

>>109109061
I am wondering what he has under his belt after getting CS degree... any projects? Did he pick up AI? Being AI coder guy will get you hired to displace non-ai code guys.

80% of college graduates, and people in general, should be living on the street, this is a fact. Glad we are getting closer to that. Long overdue correction.

>>109109066
many people aren't given the choice, they think they're done being parents at 18 and you're on your own

>>109109135
yeah, I know. that's fucked up.
thousands of years family's have lived together and now people are expected to move out before they even make a living.

The sooner the myth that every person in the world deserves to live like a billionaire ends the better. You are not special. You don't deserve your own entire fucking home because you're a special snowflake.
Most people should only get minimum wage. You're not entitled to a job just because you want it. Actually insane levels of entitlement with this generation.

>>109109146
It's kind of a boomer thing, because when they were 18 you could rent an apartment with 80% of your income still in your pocket and expect to buy a house by 25.

>>109109194
i saw an article talking about how 1 in 3 americans still lives with their parents and the comments were all boomers just dropping boomerisms, every single meme, "they just dont want to work", "avocado toast and doordash", "$1500 phones", "is it the same 1/3 who identify as non-binary?", "Mandatory 3 years in the military would probably change their attitude."

>>109109189
low effort bait

>>109109061
What total VibeGOD victory looks like

>>109109234
Nah, I'm actually a bit pissed. He's crying and having a breakdown like a toddler because the gods didn't descend and place a gilded admission letter to his workplace of choice in his hands. He has all the tools to get wherever he wants in the entire world but instead he's wasting his time delivering pizzas and crying on reddit. If he put in literally 30 minutes a day, he'd have a dev position in a month flat. He deserves to be exactly where he is.

>>109109061
trust da plan!

>>109109257
Let me guess, he just needs to give the manager a firm handshake and he'll have a job by the end of the day.

>>109109273
NTA but maybe he's not being realistic, there are lower end jobs around in tech.

>>109109213
you are literally reading comments from chinese demoralization bots

>>109109257
this is another chinese demoralization post

>>109109290
NTA but there are boomers like that, I have to hear that shit when I'm waiting in a doctors office and boomers start talking to each other. All they seem to talk about is young people, the old days and politics, nothing else.

Not even worth replying to at this point
Die on the street then, because you're to afraid to send in a job application. have fun!

>>109109111
> cs degree with no projects and wondering why nobody's hiring

kek, you're competing with people who actually built shit

>>109109213
I mean, from an outside perspective American houses are so huge they could easily comfortably live with their children at home, most of them already have their own bathroom, throw in a kitchenette and charge them a bit of rent and you don't even have to deal with your kids 90% of the time.

>>109109061
and I'm proud to be an american!

>>109109213
Boomers are horrible, the most spoiled and entitled.
>>109109290
>you are literally reading comments from chinese demoralization bots
Nah, boomers exist. We have all seen them and met them.
Also don't be so paranoid about china, you become like the boy who cried wolf.

>>109109382
This is probably going to be common more and more. Many genX and millenial parents are actually really nice because they know what it was like to get no help at all from their rich boomer parents.

>>109109234
found the poorfag

>>109109063
fucking this, only jews deserve to live in comfort. white slave goyim cattle deserve nothing but w*rk for pennies

>>109109061
>I would of (sic) been happier working a traderino!
no you wouldn't lol

>>109109135
That's a myth. You are just historically illiterate. It's true that people lived with their families as an economic necessity but as Americans became richer and more individualistic the expectation became that you would go make something of yourself in the wider world. The idea is that will achieve greater success then you would jerking off in your mom's basement. But I guess you just can't comprehend that. Of course those opportunities were always going to be snatched up, but a sane parent isn't going to kick out their kid unless they believe there is greater economic opportunity. Parents aren't dumb they don't just follow trends without thinking of the consequences. And if your parents are that dumb you were fucked from the start.

It's always been the case where most people end up in jobs that have little or nothing to do with their degrees. Why do people act like this is unusual?

>>109109061
Why are retards so mouthbreathingly retarded? You cannot have a country made up off 90% sitting in front of a screen clacking in a keyboard the entire day.

>>109109693
this. Funny enough one guy at my work went straight to coder job after philosophy degree

>>109109111
ur drinking the cool aid lol, ai is not a skill it's just a hr tickbox, they're looking mainly for experience in relevant fields.

Unless u mean use ai to shit up some open source repos for ur resume like indians do en masse.

>>109109061
just don't do it?
>>109109067
not for long.

>>109109752
Just specialise in agent orchestration and administration with additional skillsets in project cohesion management and non-manual software deployment via artificial intelligence assets.

>>109109693
It’s unusual for CS, they were happy to laugh about this happening when other fields went out of work, and now it’s their turn they’re figuring out it’s actually quite bad

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>>109109061
im convinced people who cant get hired are doing something wrong, i graduated in lockdown it took me like 6 months but i managed to get a job then and have moved twice since had no issues with the other jobs the issues are either:

they dont actually like programming so have no projects to show because theyve never done it in their spare time in that case they shouldnt expect a dev job and should be delivering food like in ops pic

or the other is that they are applying wrong had this with one of my friends recently hes been trying to get a new job for 2 years or so now hardly had any interviews. hes far more skilled than me i got him to show me his linked in it had minimal info then had him send me his resume he made some cool looking thing in latex but i ran it throguh several online resume testers and none of them could parse / extract any of his information. he was also only applying for jobs in his small city instead of all over his country. if a job needs you and youre a fit for the role a bunch of them will let you work remote even if they dont mention it in the listing unless its in an industry where its not possible like defense. got him to apply for jobs all over his country fix his linked in and fix his resume. hes now actually started getting recruiters reaching out. if you can get recruiters adding you on linked in they will get you a job. and if you spam apply for jobs they will start trying to connect with you on there within a few weeks

>>109109676
That's how baby boomers were raised, because they could afford a down payment for their own home a few years later, so that's how they raised their children and how their children raised their's.
I don't think people understand what level of easy mode those faggots were playing on.

>>109109290
If you talk to old people for just a few minutes you will quickly find out that they actually can not fathom that the world has significantly changed.
They think everyone still earns as much as they did and, while they will grumble about grocery bills every time, they also can't understand how much more expensive everything is, let alone if you have to pay rent on top of that.
They do really live in a different world

>>109109949
>they dont actually like programming so have no projects to show because theyve never done it in their spare time in that case they shouldnt expect a dev job and should be delivering food like in ops pic
well, you see, when I graduated I got a job just from graduating
I had no "portfolio" because I'm not a fucking faggot
I got a job and I did it well enough to keep it
that's, apparently, no longer a thing (if this isn't just more of that doomer AI hype)
sure, if you have "side projects" and whatever maybe you can begin to get their attention
but you could also suck dicks for money, if you've accepted being gay for pay

>>109110040
>well, you see, when I graduated I got a job just from graduating
how long ago was this?

>>109110044
just about 8 years ago

>>109110021
Every successive generation has had more home owners at a given age then the last. I think what you mean to say is: I'm a lazy entitled white dude, cos that's the only group that is decreasing in home ownership. Especially in California.

>>109109061
cs was always bullshit

>>109109213
>boomers just dropping boomerisms
israelis dropping judaisms
> "they just dont want to work", "avocado toast and doordash", "$1500 phones", "is it the same 1/3 who identify as non-binary?"
i.e. replace them with indians
>"Mandatory 3 years in the military would probably change their attitude
i.e. send them to iran
all boomers are jews

>>109110072
This is just blatantly false. Home ownership among young people has dropped massively.

>>109109949
>I graduated during the hottest market in history, let me tell you about what’s wrong with the people graduating in one of the worst markets in recent history

>>109110107
In old persons' cities maybe. Not in the rest of the country.

>>109109061
It's a psyp.
Bill "the son of Satan" Gates wants CS majors to kys in minecraft, so that they would not create competing startups that can bankrupt microslop and the rest of FAGMAN.
Because it is very easy these days. There are plenty of people who purposefuly ruin businesses by creating identical apps and websites with free usage, no subs, no fees.
If you are a jobless CS major, do as many useful projects as possible and publish them all (make sure it's not only github and AWS, diversify.
This is how you force them to hire you, like they already did back in 2017.

>>109109213
now that last one would anger me greatly. Its angering now because the most of those fucking baby boomers didn't join the fucking military it was their parents fuck them. I don't get where they even get that fucking idea.

>>109110122
yes everywhere. you don't know jack shit kys

>>109109764
>not for long.

yes but that's the whole point, delivering pizzas is the first step to making it in life

if you aren't delivering pizzas you never make it

>>109110132
Zoomers (28) have already passed millennials (28) in home ownership. Seethe.

>>109110153
thats not how these things work retard.

>>109110153
I'd rather "not make it" than be somebodies slave.

>>109110162
Not even remotely true lmao

>>109110163
Why can't I get a job easily then?

>>109110164
I too do not want people to laugh at my misfortune.

>>109110174
>I too do not want people to laugh at my misfortune.
You think about others too much. If you don't rid yourself of this neurosis you will always be exploited.

>>109110120
>hottest market in history
kek no there was hardly anyone hiring then

>>109109733
desu CS is the most self teachable white collar skill there is...

>>109110072
Another fun fact, they also didn't have to deal with wage dumping and everything being outsourced to china

>>109109061
Relatable. I tried no college. Got no where. Just worked to pay rent. Dollar in, dollar out. Shaky existence. Covid happened, job shut down, lost what little I had. Thought, "hey maybe finishing a degree is a good idea." No. Im worse off then ever since I got my BS and MS in CS.

>>109110182
Kind of hard to not think about others, if i see a disgruntled youth walking on the other side of the road, they will yell abuse at me. At the grocery store older, more affluent people turn their noses up at me, get in my way, scoff at me. If I apply for a job the hiring manager tells me "I'm not friendly enough".

this isn't a problem for art fags because they never expected to make money anyway

Just waste your youth chasing a piece of paper that says "I can do the bare minimum" and hope some big company hires you with no projects or real work experience.
Then proceed to live above your pay and then get replaced by the very AI agents you are building.

>>109109315
>mfw 4 years of theory and zero repos

you're not competing, you're getting filtered

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>>109110233
have you tried living in a church tower?

>>109110288
Too many Pigeons.

>>109110288
Why didn't they make him deaf like in the novel? That was a major point and debate around the time since in the 1800s in france there was major debate about if deaf people were intelligent or not. I stand by NOT

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>>109109061
>Pursue CS degree
>Have hopes of working in a high-paying, stable job
>Graduate in 2025
>get the cushy job I was promised
>no debt either
god, I love not being american

>>109110340
this is real i am the cat on the far left

>>109109676
One thing to note is that there was a period in time across NA where people were just straight up granted deeds to land for free to go and build up society. This was not the baby boomers generation. Just trying to say that at one point acquiring land rights to do things on your own was easier in the past than it is today.

>>109109061
and here i am working as a senior sw engineer with no degrees, he got scammed.
imagine paying for something you can learn by yourself.

>>109110363
Yes, that's the "era of growth" phenomenon. Nowadays all the growth happens in minecraft, the attention economy, the metaverse. Why buy a house when you could build you ideal one in minecraft. Think about it.

>>109110340
same story but i didn't go to university, i just won a few hacking competitions and got into the workforce this way.

>>109110340
I wonder if we keep showing this to kittens as they grow up if they will try to do it. Or some other easier to perform but slightly unnatural behavior.

>>109110340
Is that real?

>>109110072
The average age of first time home buyers has been increasing. You know that right?

>>109110392
yes, see >>109110345

Nuke this board and all the whiny losers and zoomers within.
Fucking disgraceful, seemingly all you can do is whimper about older generations and the economy like abuse victims.
The democratization of higher education was a mistake.

>>109110124
Personally I've become older now. I never ended up in the field kind of. I've found hourly 1099 work adjacent, but most of my life has been spent in the blue collar world. I've kind of come to the realization that software was always something that was more of a hobby for me. And I do really regret pursuing a degree for it now. I enjoy all of friends and company I made in school. But they are all wide branching, so I've failed to network with people that could give me an in. I have 1 or 2 friends working for some of the big big companies, but I don't ask those guys since I know I have not kept up skills wise. I never really socialized with any of the CS kids during academia. Not because I looked down on them or anything. It was just more so how the cards were played with meeting people. So that has hindered my network in a way.

>>109110374
I have thought about it. I wonder if its because there is kind of an unspoken understanding that there is finite land that can divvied up between an ever increasing amount of humans.

>>109109189
>>109109234
He's right. It's your responsibility to make yourself useful and get compensated appropriately. If all your good for is a nonessential service delivering pizzas that a <80iq immigrant can do then minimum wage is more than you deserve.

This country didn't used to demean non-college work. That's where we fucked up. By insisting everyone had to go to college and it was white collar or bust. So now there's this glut of midwits with degrees and no jobs in them, debt as well, who are bred to culturally loathe the perfectly acceptable normal work they have been sorted into.

Quite frankly we could lay off another 50% of the white collar workforce and not skip a beat. The college bubble is going to burst. We are correcting.

>>109110124
i think you are kinda seeing more nuance and motivations than there really are. really all bill gates and co. are doing is what they've always been doing: amass more wealth for themselves while stifling the competition. the main reason startup culture existed to begin with was because the entrepreneurs and investors involved were betting on google or microsoft eventually buying out the startup. now the economy is so shit that they don't even need to do that for the most part, because the capital, the audience and the overall sentiment to start a business based on a new idea just isn't there, so companies like microsoft are more or less content on trimming the fat while using their money to gain more political power to increase their status

the prevailing sentiment among rich old dudes is not that they hate CS grads or young people in general. its more that they dont give a fuck about you. they dont even remember you exist most of the time. for whatever reason, old people have next to 0 ability to empathize with others so they wouldn't even understand what young people might be upset about. i think they just don't want to bother with thinking about the poor while they're on substances while sitting on their yachts

>>109110481
You say this. But from what I've also heard and seen from my few friends that do work in the white collar world. There are days where you guys just play video games and do nothing all the while getting paid. Not knocking any of this, I'm sure you end up in crunch periods. And the whole scale thing. You could end up spending a month writing some code that services hundreds of thousands if not millions of people over the next year. You do that once you do deserve downtime.

They also routinely tell me that I overthink the actual complexity/difficulty of what is actually required to do on a day to day basis. So from an outsider looking in it is hard to even determine what is actually required of me to know.

>>109109561
This but unironically

>>109109066
>>109109063
>>109109067
india.

>>109109061

It’s a game of who you know, what you’ve done and if there is a need for you. It’s harder to get the job than it is to actually do the work. Sucks but life isn’t fair. The only thing you can really do is keep applying and keep a positive attitude. Took me 7 years to find my first real job.

>>109110632
nobody asked you where you're from, ranjeet.

College is actually kind of an evil institution. It forcibly puts people into boxes. And those boxes are chosen when you are a literal child, 16 years old, 0 experience or ideas about anything. And then you're stuck in that lane forever, which is unnatural and terrible for the worker and the economy. The sooner this paradigm blows up the better.

This is how it worked before:
>the top 10% of genuinely intelligent kids go to college because that's what it's for
all good
>everybody else gets their HS degree and immediately goes into some kind of work: trades, factories, blue collar, or entry level white collar roles, anywhere near them or where they want to live, you get organically sorted not unnaturally
>there is no box, you either keep going in your line of work/business and get promotions, or you bounce to another one

This is a much superior system

>>109110519
Not my problem

>>109109061
So this dumbass thought he could just coast through college and be handed a high paying job as a prize? Does he think it's the 80s? Also, if he has the bachelor's degree, even if he can't get a software development job, he could get some sort of middle management job. He's not even trying. I'm just wondering what this guy expected after he graduated. For recruiters to be like
>PLEASE PLEASE! Come work for us! We've been DYING to onboard someone with a degree from some no name college and no real world experience!

>>109110697
what are you supposed to do after college if you are not supposed to be able to work in the field you studied

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>>109110190
>kek no there was hardly anyone hiring then

>>109110748
i often think about how many utter retards managed to slip through the cracks during that era, and are now 5 year seniors bumbling around doing nothing and racking in 200k+ salaries. meanwhile any certified geniuses that graduate now are going to be working at doordash

gives me a heart lol each time

its the best time to deliver pizza with all the cheap e-bikes and delivery apps.

>>109110716
Go ask all the psychology, gender studies, and other useless degree holders.

>>109110786
For me at least, it let me upgrade from a mid level developer role to a senior role despite having a degree in a non-STEM field. Unfortunately the company I got hired as a senior dev at is riddled with retarded jeets who can't understand the most simple of concepts in software development. Fortunately that means being able to do basic shit like use a package manager instead of emailing around zip files full of DLLs (what they literally do) makes me look like a wizard with divine powers to them.

Though I just put in my two weeks notice this morning, I'm about to start at a new company that appears to be mostly jeet-free, and I'll be making 20% more, so hooray I guess.

>>109109561
Ngl the jews worked hard in their offensive ops and people should respect that.

>>109110748
i graduated in 2020, 2022 is when most the corona bs ended im pretty sure also

I lost any idea what I should study for after 2023. Even as I was in high school I had zero clue what I could do for a living in a way that my body could handle. It just seems like there is no demand for anything but slave labor.

>>109110519
I've been working for 5 years on a system that was never used productively. We just kept rewriting it to adjust to the newest fad in SWE.
From what I have seen, only relatively few people work on actually productive software. Most of the work is purely performative.

>>109110033
It's a weird mental block where they do or do not understand inflation depending on the context. Talking about social security? They understand inflation clearly. Talking about wages? "OMG, kids today get paid way more than I did, how can they not afford things?!" The hilarious part is when SS isn't enough and they get forced back into the workplace, and get to find out just how little $14 an hour is. Every time I run across a boomer in the workplace, they are always looking shell-shocked and saying "I don't know how kids today are surviving!"
They literally can not understand something until they experience it for themselves.

>>109111154
elevator maintenance

>>109109561
THIS! University is also for renowned Jews, there is no point for goyim to attend.

>>109111182
I have acute claustrophobia and require outdoor time for oxygen, sunlight, and eyesight accommodation.

2bh i would hate delivering pizzas too im a bad driver it would be stressful

>>109111278
Also it's a pretty shit deal too unless they give you a vehicle. Accumulating all those miles and spending money on gas.

>>109110416
Holy shit get the fuck off 4chan and go talk to your grandkids faggot

>>109110716
>>109110802
This meme it’s just humanities which is useless is so out of date you sound like a boomer just repeating it. All degrees except medicine and law are useless now. CS was the last to fall but literally every STEM degree has become useless unless you’re in the medical profession for like nearly a decade now, gender studies retards are the HR team rejecting your applications lol

>>109111359
That's what I was saying though. Psychology, Gender Studies, etc degree holders have been useless for a while, and now CS is too unless you have some additional stuff to fortify your resume. So go ask them, they've had the experience for a long while.

>>109111359
you can argue that degrees demonstrate less skill now, especially after covid. but the reasons why new grads can't get jobs is basically entirely related to economy and politics. i could rant on about the exact causes like citizens united and deficit spending but it's all a bit immaterial. point is, a gazillion lead poisoned boomers and gen x with no skills or training were able to get high paying jobs with a hand shake and a smile (optional) when they were young, so even if degrees were worthless these people should still be getting jobs

>>109111156
It is unfortunate. Its like trying to chase the overall fad of the current time. A big thing I think with a lot of the world, and this really might just be me projecting in a way. Is that it is difficult and risky to simply come up with something new and offer it to the world. When I was younger I loved playing and tinkering with code making little games or simulations. And making the artwork for it all too it was fun. Run into a problem then read through documentation and stack overflow threads of people hitting the same walls.

A big reflection point for me this month is that this ultimately has been a big problem. I never took the time to properly learn higher concepts of system design. And my process of basically offloading my cognition onto searches didn't pressure me to actualize the problems I was running into into a proper knowledge bank for me to utilize. I'm realizing now I've essentially let things slide. Use it or lose it type of situation. Also at a point where I don't think I'm cut out for it, real world catches up and need to find a place in it.

I still do like to write some code from time to time. I like when stupid arguments start spreading online, one recently was the boxes and gold coins one meant to showcase bertrands paradox. (I had to wikipedia what this was just now because I had forgotten!!!) Idea being you have 3 boxes, 1 with two silver coins, 1 with two gold coins, 1 with 1 gold 1 silver coins. You pull a coin at random it happens to be gold. What is the probability of pulling another gold coin from the same box? It seems intuitive that is 1/2 chance. But in reality it is 2/3 probability of being a gold coin. Wrote a little simulation in python to log choices at random for over a couple thousand sims. Then post here on 4chan to all the people arguing showing that it converges to 2/3rds. Thats what I love avout programming.

(If you're wondering why it is 2/3rds it is entirely based on the initial pick)

Should've taken a loan to buy a boat and sail out of that shithole country

>>109109061
these are normies that only joined it for the money
they would write bullshit glitchy software anyway

>actually getting a CS degree in current year

Nobody to blame but himself.

thank god i'm mexican and i can earn my cs degree for free here

>>109111487
what would you suggest is a good idea to study for now?

Requiring portfolios from college grads is so fucking gay
No degree? Sure, they have to check you're not full of shit. But a certain level of knowledge of computers and programming (which is above what a junior would reasonably need to know) is necessary to earn a CS degree. If you disagree, I'd consider that an indictment of your education system, wherever you're from more than anything else.
I mean how retarded would it be if we required med school grads to have a portfolio of surgeries performed to even have a shot at residency, or civil engineers to have a certain number of bridges built to qualify for an internship

>>109111587
Electrical engineering.

>>109111635
why that, specifically?

>>109109061
So glad I went for marketing. I literally did nothing half the day when I still worked. And I know how to sell my own side hustle products.

>>109111683
I should have done marketing
or poker

>>109111683
So you had some additional experience on your resume besides a marketing degree right? Or else how'd you slide your way into a career?
>>109111816
I'm no marketing person, I just got a CS degree like a million other people. But I'm pretty sure, just like CS, you still need to have done an internship or gotten some other sort of relevant experience, in order to get your foot into the career door. Otherwise you're probably gonna be a middle manager at a Kroger, or worse end up like the guy in OPs pic.

>>109110153
>if you aren't delivering pizzas you never make it
I never did wage cuck labor once in my life desu.