>>109111862It's Muslim?
honestly, breddy gud for Gay Ming mini-PC
>>109111862https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachineGamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66QzlDewigELinus Tech Tips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tI1SoMj5vg
>https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachineThis would have been $650 a year or so ago, grim
>>109111862Eh, not as bad as I was expecting but still not great.
what does an itx build get you for that money?
>>109111862DOA. Valve's fault to not secure parts when they could.
>>109111862Interesting they skipped 1TB options
>>109111895Now? Fuck all. That doesnt make it a good deal though
>>109111895the beauty of "ITX builds" is that you can get used ram for fraction of what valve asks you to pay.
Time for Tyler McVicker to gloat about how he called it and they should've listened to him
THANK YOU AITHANK YOU VIBEGODSWE WONhttps://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steammachine
>>109111903>used ramYes I love my system unstable and with memory errors
OH SHIT NEVER SAW THIS THREAD This is fucking insane it's over pack this whole industry up $1000 for 500GB NO CONTROLLER FUCKING WHAT
>>109111862They should've sold the barebones model without ram or an ssd so I could just go full tyrone and steal the components from one of my workplace's mini pcs.
>>109111900I think they were originally going to have a 1tb version be base at $800 but after all the ssd pricing bullshit they had to up the price $300 like the steam deck and lower the storage.512 is justifiable for a steamdeck but not really for a living room console.
>>109111862>hexa-coreThis is just sad. For fuck's sake, my $250 Xbox Series S still has an 8-core Zen 2 CPU, in fact it's the least compromised component in the system compared to the Series X (just 200 MHz underclocked).And a normal console does far less multitasking in the background, relative to the Steam Machine.
>>109111934this is because component manufacturer would rather prioritize indians generating bobs and virgina
humiliation ritual?
itt poor people coping
>>109111862DOA OVERPRICED GARBAGE ANNUDAH SHOAH
>>109111903>used ramyou are a fucking retard if you buy ram or an used ssd. That's the first thing that breaks on a PC
There was a time where I thought costs were going down for computer components... Then DC cloud AI nonsense happened right after the shitcoin casino craze. I'm tired boss.
>>109111973I should try to sell my dead 256gb nvme drive for $150 and see if any retards actually buy it
>>109111862If I could easily add a pci card to this I would buy one to be a miniserver/opnsense machine
>>109111862Pay up, goySeriously though, we need to do something about the hw manufacturing cartels>>109111963Booba
>>109111862>$200 extra for 2TBI mean, that's not THAT bad, but it's a little more than I was expecting ($700 going by the Deck).
you unironically get more ram in an ROG Ally for less money
Techbros ruin things once again
the last breath of desktop computing before it become a luxury again.
>all these positive/neutral commentsfucking linux troons LOVE to slurp on some valve overpriced garbage huh
>>109111992>>$200 extra for 2TBIt's $300 extra
>>109111954>model without ram or an ssdit kinda defeats one of the main purposes of this thing
>>109111862The sad part is that this is probably still one of the cheapest gaming PCs you can buy right now with the current prices.
>>109111862they should sell barebones version without RAM and SSD for reasonable price
Anons, how does it compare to a Mac mini?
>>109112020It plays real games instead of being stuck with shit like Subway Surfers.
>>109111881
>>109112005Ah, right. So $150 per TB.Still not bad (though that 512gb is insanely low in late 2020), but clear Valve sitting on it raised prices due to AI/hardware bubble bullshit.Not buying it day one, but I might get one for the novelty and HTPC-isms in a year if Valve doesn't hike the price up.Now the true test for them is releasing the VR ARM headset they got, that's the one I'm interested in since I want them to price that below the $1,000 they wanted the Vive or whatever they called their first headset for, but I'm sure it's going to be like $1,500 which is "fuck that" territory for the VR gimmick to me.
>>109112017The way they are getting their performance targets are with soldered on LPDDR5 hitting 8000+ mtps
>>109111983Monitors have been getting cheaper in recent years. Given the absolute state of the PC component market, now's a good time to upgrade your monitor. You're constantly staring at a monitor while using the PC, so a rly nice monitor can make a big difference for your computing experience.
>>109112035Both the ram and ssd are removable
no new valve single player launch title? who gives a fuck
>>109112047Then the performance will be absolutely shite
>>109111862>over 1000$ for a Linux gaming console>500GB base model>those horrendous specs that come straight out of a budget gaming PC from 2016>you don't even get the steam controllerGenuinely insane. This isn't even a real computer and you can't do jack shit with it outside of badly emulating Windows games through proton. You can buy a Macbook Air for that money and that is a full fledged computer with the best laptop hardware quality on the market. But Apple is overpriced am I right guys? Or buy literally any Windows PC/laptop and plug it into a monitor/TV and you get a better gaming console.You need to have serious brain damage to pay more than 600$ for this thing and I am being really generous here.
>single channel RAM
Why valve, why?
>1k and still no gta6I'm going to buy a ps5
>>109111879Steve:>Heres an autistic 50 minute review with everything youll never want to knowLinus:>it runs old games lol
Lmao$1399 - https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini/m4-pro-chip-12-core-cpu-16-core-gpu-24gb-memory-512gb-storage$1599 - https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini/m4-pro-chip-14-core-cpu-20-core-gpu-24gb-memory-512gb-storageBuy either of these instead and then buy an external SSD to get your 2 TB
>>109112077>runs GTA5 at 15FPSNo.
>>109112077see >>109112023
>16GB ram>8 gb VRAM>zen 4This shit will be outdate in less than 2 years max.
>>109112061If it's anything like the Steam Deck you'll be able to install winblows on it.
>>109111973"Most anything can be a good buy if the price is low enough">Warren Buffett to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, 2020
>>109111973>he lives in a country where you can't return used defective ram advertised as working fineLmao@US
>>109112077Where's the games?
>>109111992i bet it's some QLC/PLC e-waste ssd
absolutely shambles
>>109111936check>>109112141and stop living in shithole that has no laws regulating used hardware scams. In most of european countries if you get defective product that was not advertised/marked by seller as defective then you have some time to test it and return it, no questions asked.
>>109112020steam machine is for manchildren, mac mini is for men to do actual work
>>109112061And I should add that you can by both a PS5 AND a Switch 2 for that money, both of which are overpriced. This might be the worst piece of new tech that I have ever seen when it comes to price. And the craziest part is that it will be sold out in 24 hours because retards suck Gaben's dick harder than even Applefags.
>>109112143Here you are broSay thank you, MacGODS https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
Which graphics card would be equivalent to this?
>>109112067It's funny because that's still a visibly heterosexual couple. Even if they both dress like gender blobs.
>>109112035only ryzen ai max can into 8000+ ram, the e-waste in steam machine runs it at 5000 speeds
>>109112156RTX 3080
>>109112166lol no, RTX 3060
>>109112091even macbook neo runs it at 60fps
Do i buy Steam machine for 1k or do i buy 9800x3D/RX9070XT pc for 3khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66QzlDewigE
>>109111862>>109111881>>109112156>>109112166>>109112171>>109112176Steam Machine's GPU is claimed to be as powerful as the mobile RTX 4060 or RX 7600M.Desktop RTX 5060 Ti 8GB is 70% faster than Mobile RTX 4060 8GB according to TechPowerUp.This build also has 32GB of RAM and instead of Steam Machine's 16GB of RAM.You could save some few dollars without iGPU (e.g. Ryzen 5500), but the spare tire is useful, discrete GPUs have a non-trivial failure rate.Also notice it's a Noctua CPU fan. Going to be quiet unlike Steam Machine's cheap loud fan.
>>109112164deck is running at 6400MT/s, so I bet steam machine runs at 7200.
>>109112174with a bunch of stuttering and random drops
>>109112143https://www.codeweavers.com/crossoverThen install Windows version of Steam using that app
>>109112194>paying to run windows software when proton is free
>>109112183deck has lpddr5 soldered, steam machine has sodimm ddr5
>>109112148>you have some time to test it and return itThat's only if the seller is reputable, in my country the consumer needs to sue the seller to achieve that in practice, and they in fact often do, it's somewhat easier to self-represent here so people do it en masse
>>109111983> built a gaming pc in 2020 thinking prices would normalizelmao, you sweet summer child. the silicon gods demand sacrifice.
>>109112202and what does it have to do with anything? I'm talking about CPU capabilities.Valve probably went with 5600MT/s non-cso-dimm ram only because it was cheap. Nothing stops you from replacing it.Aside from this, RAM is irrelevant when you have dGPU.
>>109112213Back in 2020 ram was at least still affordable
>>109112183also single channel out of the box unless you buy a second stickhttps://www.digitalfoundry.net/news/2026/06/weirdly-the-steam-machine-only-has-one-stick-of-ddr5-ram-heres-why
>>109112182every living room PC fag dances around the fact that the Machine and SteamOS gives the hardware console-like press to wake from a controller. your home media PC build doesn't have that and you need to get up and press the button whenever you want to use it
>>109112020The real question is how it compares to any Ryzen AI Max mini PCs
>>109112247it's DoA regardless. Single/dual channel is irrelevant with dGPU of that low capabilities anyway. Steam Machine is entirely dependent on FSR to play any AAA.
>>109111881It would have been $800
>>109112065>>109112247KEKeven my haswell shitbox from 2013 has dual channel ram
>>109111990> muh pci card in a fanless celeron boxjust get a used sff dell for $50 and call it a day
>>109112247Isnt this so you can upgrade it?
>>109112261Literally any PC (Win/Linux/Mac) can do WoL
>>109112296You can but>We haven't had time to do proper dual-channel versus single-channel tests on the Steam Machine just yet, as removing the existing RAM and replacing it with two 8GB sticks requires significant disassembly of the machine - a much harder task than upgrading the SSD, for instance.
>>109112247Oh so if you've got DDR5 laying around, you can just upgrade it? Now we're talking, why didn't they lead with that?
>>109112261>your home media PC build doesn't have thatyou can absolutely wake a regular pc with a controller press. they have wake from network options that allow bluetooth or wifi controllers to wake the system. i do it every day after work.even if they didn't it's not worth it to pay the same price for half the performance just so your fat ass doesn't have to walk 15 feet to turn your video game on. when you upgrade you can use your old pc as a home server or whatever else a pc can do while your proprietary steamshit is worthless for anything but games which it's only mediocre at.
>local prebuilt 1.3k pc is 50% stronger than my older pc>steam machine is 30% stronger than my old pc
What's the ideal gaming device for me if I hate the Steam Machine, hate Gabe Newell, hate the Steam Deck, hate the Steam Controller, hate Valve, hate playing with a mouse and keyboard, and hate all PC gaming in general?
>>109111862i really dont need one but god speed to people that buy iti already have a steam controller and i have a 5600g + 5700xt build i have in the living room already. that mostly streams from my 9800x3d + 5080 + 64gb of ram gaming server but will play light games locally. its neat if you need one but a waste of money for me.if it was like $800 i might have picked up the 2tb version but thats not the world we live in now
>>109112310If you have that then you probably have much bett`tear hardware already
>>109111862Another dayAnother reason to love my M4 Mac Mini
>>1091123282tb nand is like $600 by itself
>>109111862Imagine if they launched this 3 years ago and it was half the price why would anyone pay this much for something that is only for gayming and it's ONLY novel feature is that it's cube shaped
jesus man the reviews are brutal it runs like fucking shit
>>109112336What games do you play on it?
>>109111862this thing could cost 5k and you'd still have tons of mentally ill cultists line up to buy it, linux drones and valve drones are weird
>>109111862Maybe retards at valve shouldn't launch ssfx pc when there is insane ram/ssd shortage?How about they work on Half Life or Deadlock, L4D, TF3?You are a fag if you buy this.
>>109112379Yup. This screams limited run; they’re trying to make back r&d costs and save face with a Release but it will die off in a year
oofthey got fucked by the NAND issues. clearly they wanted to release an entry level device at a relatively cheap price last year and did a lot of cost optimization on the parts to meet it. now they're stuck releasing bad parts 6 months late with prices that don't make sense. Had they targeted something midrange instead the components would have kept up and the ram prices wouldn't have hurt the final price so drastically. probably should have just canceled it
>>109111862Does W10 LTSC run fine on it?
>>109112395There likely won't be a motherboard chipset driver for it.
>>109112361NoitaKenshiLeague of LegendsCrusader Kings 2/3Europa Universalis 5 (requires crossover and ideally above 16gb models)Monster Hunter WorldSwitch and other Nintendo emulators (I think rpsc3 has a Mac build and I want to try running LBP on the mini)Aside from league and MH I don’t do any other alway online crap that usual only runs on windows.
>>109112379>linux drones and valve dronesjust call them redditors next time. we'll understand.
>>109112398Not even for W11?If this can only run Linux it's a joke.
>>109111876For this price? It's insanely bad.
What does this mean for steam frame pricing, $1300+?
>>109112247>>109112280>>109112284To be fair, single vs dual channel is like a 3% difference in real-world testing.https://gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel
>>109112406Albion is good mmorpg if you want online gaming, native client.Wow also has native silicon client (wow is shit)
>>109112310unless you find a matching stick it's going to run at the lowest speed possible or you have to buy two matching sticks to get better performance
>>109112453>3%It might actually be a bit worse on APUs, but yeah, it's really not a big deal desu.
It’s 2000 dollars in Canada. A new PS5 is 600 and that comes with controller
>>109112481>computers unaffordable in country overrun by jeetspottery
>>109112453>2014lolnot in the DDR5 world
>>109112481are you that russigger acting as canadian but talking about rubbles instead
>>109112481Post pic for the lulz
>>109111862Yeah, I'm just going to wait for Project Helix.
>>109112574Surely whatever that is will not have the same pricing issues
>>109112593Given that it's not coming out until at least 2028 it shouldn't.
>>109112464I’ve heard of Albion here and there, I’ve been meaning to look more into it.There used to be this mmo called realm of the mad god that I was absolutely addicted to in my younger years. Idk what it was, the 2d sprite art style, the gameplay loop, the loot drops, the classes, or all of the above. Unfortunately no other mmo quite got to scratching that itch that game did for me. God I fucking miss those days…
>>109112614It's fun game if you like the idea of runescape + mass pvp late game, there is also PVE late game raiding.
>>109112061It is a real computer though, with a lot more software compatibility/support than any MacBook...
>>109111895You can utterly crush the cube with a roughly $1100 miniITX. However, it's hard to be as weak as the cube with new hardware and even a tiny MiniITX will be larger than cube. It's in a strange spot between miniPCs and consoles.
>>109112261You need the steam controller to use it, and if you buy a controller its dongle provides the same benefit to any PC you connect it to.
Awful. I still remember people talking about something like $800 already being outrageous. It's purely to save space at this point. Sure the market is absolutely fucked but this is a niche of a niche. Of a niche. I have the deck AND the steam controller, btw.
>>109112920The Deck came out before component prices went to shit so it's not really a fair point. Even that got a couple hundred dollar price hike recently.
>>109111881That's probably what they intended the price to be when they were drawing up the plans for it.I can't see there being any next-gen consoles with these prices, they're going to be completely unaffordable for the average normie.
>>109111862unpopular opinion but that seems fairly priced
>>109112928The deck also came out at a point where you couldn't just find handheld PCs worth a shit.
Several reviews hinted that Valve got cold feet on subsidising it because of the ongoing lawsuits regarding them being a monopoly. So that sucks I guess.
>computer savvy idiots thinking this system is for them instead of mom's buying computer game system for their kidsYou fools never learn.
Welcome to>$1199 next gen PS & Xbox(perhaps without controller and optical drive. please understand)
>>109113050This also applies to Macs
>>109113050>Mom buys the latest AAA game her kids are screeching about>kids start crying because the game is a slideshow
>>109113072>kids start crying because the game requires a 600gb day one patch that doesn't fit on the 512gb drive
>>109113069No console will ever have an optical drive again. S2 only has cart slot for backwards compatibility imo
>>109111924Tyler is kind of right despite being a huge faggot. People expect Valve to work miracles and wonder why they can't deliver.
how the fuck is it so weak it loses to PS5? PS5 was already pathetic when it launched with gtx1060/rx480 tier performance
>>109113131wut? ps5 uses an rx6700 equivalent gpu
>>109113131Because Gabe is a cheap jew who refuses to give up a single pile of his gold
Give it to me straight bros, how much more powerful is the Steam Machine compared to my Haswell quad core + RX 5700XT?
>>109113140Business only functions if it makes money.
>>109111862can someone tell me why 8gb ram sticks are 25€ but 16gb is 80 32gb is 250€?
>>109113170Businesses also work better if companies comprehend the value of short term cost for long-term investment.Gabe is costing a sizable expansion to his empire and yacht collection, by refusing to tank the cost of decent hardware, that he'll more than get returns for later with software and more people hooked into the steam sunk-cost.
>>109113155its about % more powerful
>>109113197density matters
>>109113155technically a decent upgrade, but it's absolutely not worth buying.You'd be better off just saving up 2K and building a proper upgrade
>>109113202Hard to tell what happens. Possibly gaming will be more dead in a few years than it was dead already for a few years. More like half a decade actually, can't name one title worthy of attention released in the past 5 years.
>>109113215It does not. It's upselling. You need more? You can pay more. No other reason.
>>109113131well it was made with $500 dollar parts
>>109113217>You'd be better off just saving up 2K and building a proper upgradethats the true issue here. Buying a gabecube is a novelty item now at this price point.
>>109113217What can you even get for 2k europoorbucks nowadays? I liked the idea of the cube for its size. Maybe I'll design and 3D print my own ITX case because I like basically none of the mainstream options. I'm an engineer and I wanted to get into CFD, OpenFOAM specifically, I was hoping the gabecube could have been good enough for that, but clearly it's not.
>>109113228>Hard to tell what happens.not really. Consoles are killing themselves (including nintendo), and all Valve had to do was put out a decent box for $700-800They could have siphoned a significant amount of people from all 3 sides at a very pivotal point, and seen relevant growth. Instead, they're now 0/2 on steam machines, will get none of those people, and even lost all the goodwill they built from the 'eck. And all because gabe got scared of the realities of being a hardware manufacturer.
>>109111862dead on arrival
>>109112182>DDR4
>>109112061>This isn't even a real computerKill yourself retard
it is what it is, great that it exists
Within the realities of the current PC market... it's fine.
>>109111862I built my kids a pc with similar specs to this with second hand parts recently>Ryzen 5500 and a320 mobo £40>32gb ddr4 £100>512gb nvme ssd £40>Rx 6600 xt £150>27" 1080p monitor £20>Case and psu came from a free to uplift machine from the 2000sSo like £400 by the time I buy them a keyboard and mouse
>>109112182>housefire tier PSU>terrible SSD>ddr4
>>109111872kek
Thanks Jensen!
>lottery to get a steam machine>lottery to see if you get 1x16 or 2x8 GB ram
>>109113306>>109113354>DDR4You'd rather have slightly faster RAM (pic related) than twice the RAM and 70% faster GPU?>>109113354>housefire tier PSUOn what basis?>terrible SSDIt is S-tier with DRAM cache.https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/acer-predator-gm7000-2-tb.d329
>>109113306It's pretty good but it should be at least 3600 MT/s if not 3733CL16, which is the practical sweet spot nowadays without Samsung B-die chips.
>>109113401>with DRAM cacheYou're acting as if this is not the literal bare minimum.And you're linking to a review of the first gen of this ssd not the current gen.The PSU is C+ at best except you might get one of the fucked ones instead.And yes I would rather have something less memory that isn't 10y old instead of useless DDR4 on a dead socket.
>>109112247> 5600 MT/s CL47Oh the latency! What a shitbox. Just upgrade your AM4 platform and it will be faster.
>>109112182I always fall into the trap of looking at bougie ITX cases that cost like 150-200 bucks each. If it's in the living room it has to at least look the part.
GN's deep dive into the OS showing that everything under the hood is labelled as "Deck" is the funniest shit I seen today
>>109113462will be nice for devs who already have the 'eck, but cba buying the cube.
>>109111862RIP anyone who wants to buy gaming hardware in the year 2026. Welcome to the era of modern gaming where you will own nothing and stream all of your games while paying an overpriced subscription.
>>109113471I wouldn't say I'm this doomer, most people are going to end up buying shit on instalment though. a PC or console with 3/6/12 payments will still end up being more affordable long term than cloud gaming. Getting something entry level or used isn't completely unaffordable. But it's going to get worse before it gets better. So I'm going to drop a horrible take. If you want one, buy it now, they are probably going to have to raise the prices in 6 months.
>>109112182>Also notice it's a Noctua CPU fan. Going to be quiet unlike Steam Machine's cheap loud fan.Do Noctuafags really?The L12S comes with the worst 12015 on the market. It also loses to the much cheaper AXP120-x67.The Steam Machine's thick, high pressure fan will clear both.
>>109113471haha vibegods truly won, am i right?notice me, guys. please
>>109113519Every review so far has remarked on how quiet the steam machine is.
>>109113471You can still build a gaming PC if you want more performance than the Steam Machine can provide. You will just have to pay $2,000. This shouldn't be a problem, we (students) used to pay $5,000 for our shitty MS-DOS boxes when money even had a LOT more buying power than today. Yes, we had to beg our grand parents and work in the holidays to afford this shit.
>>109113471What's really funny is that if Stadia came out just a few years later it would've actually stood a chance due to hardware prices now.
>>109112645Assuming you install windows? Based on the Nexus video this does very poorly for a desktop using Steam os.
>>109111862So DOA E-waste?
>>109112182> Noctua CPU fanWasted money in a budget build. Noctua is pure luxury. I recommend a better PSU instead.
>>109113562You could probably also replace Steam OS with a proper Linux distro
>>109113518>If you want one, buy it now, they are probably going to have to raise the prices in 6 months.I'd guess the opposite.They're going to move way less than they expect, and end up price-cutting and eating the cost anyway
>>109111862mac mini chads won
>>109111862>$1,049.00Hope he dies in sleep.
>>109113657Its just not logical to sell it much cheaper. Businesses will buy up the stock and use them for other purposes. If it doesn't increase market share it has no purpose. It will only harm legitimate buyers who now have no way to obtain them.
get a used 4070 and slap it in your old AM4 build and you'll probably have something twice as fast as a steam machine
>>109112146It's the same size as in the Deck so it has to be QLC
>>109112146It's Kingston.
>>109111862Can you build a competing machine for the same price?
>>109111898they said they expected the prices to drop; lol that didnt happened
>>109112045I literally looked and it’s over the asking price. No.
>>109111876No, it certainly is not. Not for something without a dedicated GPU.
>>109113657>submarine garagecan't he just park it on the street
>>109113784Where we're going, there ain't no streets.
>>109113694>Pajeets will buy up the stock and use them to generate bobs and vegana.FTFY
>>109111963>>hexa-core>This is just sad.It's technically dual-core if you don't count the Zen4c E-cores... You only get two P-cores
>>109113854>E-coresWell that answers that one anons question about running Windows 10 LTSC on this, you're going to be stuck with Windows 11.
>>109111862>rdna3lol
>two huge threads on /g/, /v/ going crazyMicrosoft accidentally typed an extra zero in the "how many bots do you want?" field.
>>109112320Ouya
>>109112943This is far from the first time hardware has been expensive, the previous price era will not be the last for it to be cheap.At least it isn't 1986 where $5,500 got you something that was utterly dogshit a mere two years later. $5,500 is a 10+ year computer these days.
>>109113939The /g/ threads are less so shilling for Microsoft and more so general grieving about current hardware prices.
>>109111862It's less bad than I thought. I think it will still because everything is expensive right now. I'm not going to buy because I don't need it.
>>109111862>$300 more for the 2TB modelYour best bet is buying the 512GB model and then upgrading the SSD yourself later when prices finally start to go down.
>>109111862Is this better than an amd 5600 with a radeon 6600?
>>109114007300$ is roughly the price you'd pay for a 990 Evo if you were to order it yourself from a store in the EU. It means valve is likely having to buy up SSDs at consumer prices because they couldn't secure any real quantity from a supplier...
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>>109111881Probably the intended price, but the market is absolutely retarded right now thanks to datacenters and AIfags
>>109111862>single channel ram>microsd slot doesn't support microsd express>rear USB-A ports are 2.0>no 3.5mm audio jackDOA
>>109114070If you're """rich""" you would've had at least one PC more performant than the Reddit Machine already, if not two or three. My laptop with a 3070 Ti is more performant already, and my old desktop with a 2070 is as well, although I'll be decommissioning that one soon. There is literally nothing the Reddit Machine does better than my 3070ti laptop so there's zero reason I'd downgrade.
The real killer is probably the fact that they built it around AMD's RX7600M reject pile, if I'm already spending $1000 anyway I think I could have swallow the extra $200 or so to get a 9600 equivalent with 16GB VRAM instead.
>>109114317>1.27k in 2022I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume that'd be at least 3k now
>>109114332Why would it be? You can still get 5060 desktops/laptops (yes I know the mobile versions are a step down) for that price every week with sales.
>>109114332I mean a G16 with a 5070TI is literally $3000 MSRP
>>109113306>>109113450>>109113519Buy the Steam Machine then if you think it's better, no one's stopping you.
>>109114381Lmao I was spot on
>>109113783show me a portable mini pc with a dedicated gpu for less than this
>>109114396Dont ask for that or he will post some chinkshit with tiny fans and no support at all.
The 2020's has been a terrible decade for PC's. First it was the chip shortage due to the coof, then it was cryptofags buying up all the GPUs, now it's the AIjeets buying up all the RAM.
>>109114317At this point it isn't even about the system.It's just a gadget to join a bandwagon and prove people have spare money.Even to the people pointing at it's "merits" are just self-reporting
>>109113546Stadia and consoles are for goycattle.I could never use a platform where I can't mod games or patch older games to run properly on modern systems.
>>109114407Stop replying to yourself, look for the thing you want on your own, you lazy fat fuck.
>>109114410Desktop PCs are basically dead now. They are all either gaymerfaggot toys or expensive workstations. Cryptoshit has been going on since like 15 years now.>>109114465Dumbass
>>109114471>Desktop PCs are basically dead nowIDK how anyone can say this when a desktop PC is what you want it to be.
>>109114475Even the "high end" chipsets and CPUs are severely limited in PCIe lanes and slots. They aren't general purpose PCs now, they allow for one GPU and some cuck M.2 drives and that's it. Can't even run a fucking 10Gbit PCIe network card at full speed. The general purpose desktop is dead and what remains is optimized for gaymer "aesthetics" and features
>>109114471>Cryptoshit has been going on since like 15 years now.It was really only a problem around 2022-2023 when everyone and their fucking grandma was buying a gorillian GPUs for their shitcoin mining farms thus causing the GPU shortage around that time.
>>109114522Hello zoomerhttps://www.extremetech.com/gaming/251379-cryptocurrency-craze-sends-gpu-prices-skyrocketinghttps://www.statista.com/chart/15843/nvidia-and-radeon-gpu-pricing/
>>109112099(with mediocre drivers support)
>>109114636Didn't they eventually get fixed? I do remember the Steam Deck had power management issues so the battery would drain really fast and the fan would constantly run at full speed and also sound didn't work at first
>>109112311this. linus is literally gloating so hard in his review that the steam machine has CEC and claims no other computer can do it
>>109113267Lets say they charge $700 instead of $1050 for this exact machine. Thats a $350 subsidy. Valve takes 30% per game sold, so they would need to sell ~$1150 in games per steam machine sold. Honestly they should have just delayed it 2 more years until prices are reasonable and upgraded the cpu/gpu.
>>109114648don't know im not up to date on steam deck news but they might've since they're known to have bugs on launch but fix them quickly
And the LTT review soft confirmed they intended to launch it at $850 for the base model.
>>109114713The $200 price hike lines up with the one they gave to the Deck
>>109111934>scroll down>troon and fat dykeI shan't be buying this.
>>109112182>>109113450>>109113584here's a build with platinum PSU (instead of gold) and ddr4-3600 (instead of ddr4-3200)
>>109111862Yes but how much can I scalp this for? $200?
>>109111862I think my current desktop's of a comparable performance? Did they release SteamOS for normal PCs yet or do I still need to wait on that?
>>1091118761k for this? good? are you retarded?
>>109111876It's extremely fucking bad. Valve's cost on it is at most $700.It's 3+ year old lower-midrange hardware.You can make a 30%+ faster mATX for the same price, or make a barely larger SFF PC for around $1000 less.Valve is charging customized prebuilt prices for a mass produced machine that all has the same hardware.And they probably bought their memory 18 months ago when it was cheaper so their costs may be closer to $550 instead of $700.>>109111881>>109112282You could buy a laptop which has a screen, keyboard, touchpad with the specs for around $800 a year or two ago.I think Valve is really going mask off to be just as evil as every other big tech company.You don't make $50mil per employee, when your employees don't even do anything, without being evil.
>>109113657How do you think he made that money?Ripping off developers to take a 30% cut off their work while providing little more than a download button and DRM for it.And making 30-40% margins on this piece of hardware too that dumb goys will also buy.
>>109114903>You can make a 30%+ faster mATX for the same pricean RTX 5060 is about 5 times faster than the steam machine gpu
>>109114927That's what, half the FPS of the normal 7600? So I think Intel's integrated B390 GPU on their laptops is actually faster lmao.
>>109114927>>109114938I was going by a 7700 XT since presumably someone would want to run SteamOS.So really more like 50% faster for the same price since you could build a 7600X+7700XT mATX for around $1000.I wish people would stop fanboying over Valve like Nintendo when they're both shit companies. Valve just hides how anticonsumer they are better.
>>109112379they aren't affording these things with actual money, they get in debt, loands and get credits that they won't be able to pay offWhites have been castrated further
FUCK YOU CHANGYOU PROMISED THERE WOULD BE CHEAP RAM SOONWHERE IS ITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>109112388The cost of this to Valve is $550-$700.They could have sold it at $750 and sold close to a million of them per year, but it's most likely as you say they are abandoning it and selling it at over a 50% markup to recoup some R&D costs off the only 50k-80k units they'll ever make.
>>109114954That's because you don't understand how attached manchildren are to video games. It's the male equivalent of the disney/lego adults. When it's the only good thing you've had for most of your life, defending it would be like defending your whole existence.
>>109114997>not because they lack purpose in their sorry lives since thanks to the jews they can't find a girlfriend or start a family
>>109111876>$1050>ryzen 5 230
>>109114877exactly, somehow there are wealthy idiots with more money than brains, this is what these slops are aimed at
>>109114982>The cost of this to Valve is $550-$700.I don't think margins are that great.
>>109114827You'll want to keep it.
>>109115098They're sending them out based on a RNG, they're prime scalping material.
>>109115076>I don't thinkIf you did, you'd see otherwise.You can literally make a better SFF PC for around $950. You can't even buy parts as bad as what Valve is using, which are cheaper. And valve is not buying their parts off amazon and newegg.They have a well over 30% margin.
>>109114927It's playable with rt off, by the way.The steam machine is great, because it creates a reverse pressure on games to offer an easy setting that's not demanding.Previously, they could claim a game "runs" on low gear.But now, reviewers will all have steam machines. All will have steam machines. And every game will have a steam machine score given by the reviewers :^)Now, game makers will face SIGNIFICANT pressure to optimize to that one target, the Steam Machine.Let's think of this as a reverse MPC standard. We'll call this LPC 1. It's a downward test, does it look good and play well at the LPC 1 level? LPC 2 will be beefier. And so it might be like>this game is an LPC 3 level game only.All in all, don't complain, finally you'll get useful information from all reviewers, even the incompetent ones. all they have to do is literally load the game up in their steam machines.
>>109115205Or they just won't fucking bother and just say it's "unsupported"
>>109112077And you think 2TB SSD doesn't cost like hell too?...
>>109115134If you simply take $900, and subtract the 25% margin that retailers typically make, you get $712. The cheaper components valve is using makes this $550-$700 to make.Valve is fleecing their loyal fans because they aren't going to mass produce these.>>109115205That isn't the point.The point is it's like 20% slower than a 7600. It was pretty outdated 2 years ago. It's a low end pc for $1100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYpdH3
>>109115240The people that will be buying this aren't thinking about price. They just want a little black GameCube to sit next to their tv. This is cheaper than the new i phone and is just that. This is a home entertainment system not a personal computer. It comes with it's own operating system which is pre-designed solely to interact with the steam platform and really nothing else. Sure you could use it as a pc, but thats not what 90 percent of the people buying it will use it for. It's a home entertainment system that will sit in their shelf for the next 5 years and won't be modified or changed in anyway during it's entire lifespan. The peiple buying this won't think twice about the price because to them it is non-existent. You vastly underestimate the amount of filthy rich people there are in the United states. This is something their housemaid buys them with the house budget to sit next to the 75 inch oled 4k tv and $7,000 dollar vase that the maid replaces every week. It doesn't matter how good it sells, the yacht and submersible already paid for. Go put the steam os on your pc if you care so much and leave the people who need to have their kids attention occupied with in-between going to 30,000$ a month private schools.
>>109111862waitfags keep losing
>>109115292>This is cheaper than the new i phoneIt's not though? Also the Pro is only $50 more than the base Steam Machine.
>>109115250What a garbage pc.The Gabecube is better simply for it's simplicity.
>>109115304I'm trying to think of the scenario of how you could possibly get mad at the free samples people and I"m failing to imagine itdid she call him a dalit or something? why would he be that pissed?
>>109115250uh oh stinky
>>109115319>Also the Pro is only $50 moreYeah, there you go. It's cheaper and the price is considered free to like 10% of the us population. Just raise the rent on your properties if you can't afford it. I'm sure gabe won't mind the next time you see him at the yacht club. Remember to shut the water off on that single mother's apartment because these data-centers need it more than her.
>>109115339oh righthttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/FtJCdq
>>109115329literally the same specs
>>109115292This is not the time to be trying to price something 30% higher for the premium of being a little smaller than a standard SFF PC. People can barely afford shit and aren't getting SFF to begin with. If they needed to make it two or the 3 times the volume to be $750, they should have done that then.
>>109113657It’s a fucking game console. Get over yourself. Gabe figured out how to make it in life and all you can do is cry like a little bitch.Make something of yourself. I know this is a worksafe board but holy shit I’m sick of daycare attendants like you lurking here.
>>109115378>People can barely afford shitCompanies aren't making money selling products anymore. That phase of capitalism is gone. Vaporware and paper launches are the future. Same thing happened in the Soviet union before its collapse. Nobody who matters needs this, and it doesn't matter to steam or any other company whether people want to buy their products. The government will just step in amd pay for whatever loss is incurred, destroy all the unsold product, and take whatever little the population has left to pay for it.
>>109115377If anything, it's better.>2x 8gb ram sticks so it's dual channel>Upgradable CPU and GPU
>>10911431714900k with 64gb ddr5-6600 RAM and 10TB of PCIe 4/5 storage. I won out and am set for the next 5 years.
>>109115404yep its got $100 wiggle room so you could upgrade the SSD or gpu
>>109114381It comes with Lego Batman though.
>>109115126Oh DAMN that’s a good point.Maybe I should enter the sweepstakes and put the profit toward a MacBook Ultra.
Nobody actually NEEDS a PC with the Gabecube's dimensions. If they say they do, it is because they are lazy beyond lazy and do not wish to clean up and move a few things around. Paying a premium for the form factor is a complete waste of money, which could have better gone towards an ITX build, which then typcially already comes with its own price premium over mATX and above but at least it will have non-mobile-tier components.This is approaching Nintendo levels of paying for the brand label on the box, except at least Nintendo maintains an iron grip on their exclusives. You want to pay 1000+ burger dollarydoos for a machine made for playing indieslop on the big screen (but apparently not enough space in the living room for a cheap but larger conventional PC?). To play semi-modern titles in BIG SCREEN FOUR KAY upscaled from 720p at 30FPS? What the fuck are you trying to do?
>>109115292>$7000 vase the maid replaces every weekWhat a weirdly specific detail I find humorous. I want a housemaid to game on…
>>109115399Okay, it’s time to turn the Android phone off and get a good nights rest. First objective in the morning is to figure out how to stop being unemployed.
>>109115443>Nobody actually NEEDS a PC with the Gabecube's dimensionsDon't even need that. The argument for the Steamie Machine completely falls apart when you realize most gaming laptops are both cheaper and smaller than it.
>>109115413>he fell for the userbenchmark psyop
>>109115445>I want a housemaid to game on…
>>109115329It's at least 20% better than the Steam Machine lol.
>>109115497>It's at least 20% better than the Steam Machine lol.Just buy a nuc.
>>109115292you get it
>>109115504Nah he definitely doesn't. The Steamie Machine is for troons stuck in NYC apartments. Actually rich people don't have Steam accounts.
>>109114903Valve is selling at cost, you're just insane. You couldn't get the GPU, RAM, and SSD alone for 700 dollars right now.
>>109111862I feel like this thing would have been cooler if it had the capability of accepting an optional dGPU. Though, I'd guess the PSU or whatever power brick they may otherwise be using wouldn't be sufficient at that point either. Maybe I'm just too of the mindset of "get now upgrade it later" than this being an all-in-one experience would get you.
>>109115594You're retarded goycattle who thinks Valve buys the GPU, RAM, and SSD from Amazon.You can literally build better for cheaper from retail.
>>109115250>>109115497>3 and a half star Intel SSDI guess have fun replacing it in 3 years when SSDs are 900 dollars
>>109115602Yes they basically are, you'd know this if you read their news release. So you either are retarded and think they're lying while still admitting this is not ideal, which. Ok. Or you're retarded and think Valve really got bulk pricing for a handful extremely niche parts.
>>109115597The PSU is built in but they could've put an Occulink port for an eternal dock that runs off a separate PSU. Then again that's not the point of this device.
>>109115605I 'member when the SSD shit the bed in my brother's laptop a few years ago I was able to get a 1TB Samsung one to replace it for like $60 back then, now they're over $200.
>>109115610You literally can't even buy a 7540u retail, retard. Good job believing their lies, especially when again, you can buy faster parts retail for cheaper.
>>109115614That would have been very cool, though I understand that isn't at all the target audience of this thing. Hopefully the people who get it aren't all trying to play Fortnite and Warzone or whatever has incompatible anticheat. I still think it'll be successful.
>>109115618At this point I'm just gonna start buying no-name chink drives for anything that isn't important.
>>109115620That doesn't mean they're paying under market rates, retard. You're just assuming it HAS to be cheaper, but why would it be exactly? It's a seller's market. There is zero reason that they can't charge whatever the fuck they want especially because Valve can just take it or leave it. It's not like they can just find another CPU to fit in their tiny specially designed to accommodate a 7540u box.
7540u are roughly $100 to OEMs. You're retarded.
>>109112045Nothing good in the 40-50 inch range
>5070 Ti>9800x3d>64Gb RAM (6000cl30)>2TB SSD>2200€ back in September My PC is so good and cheap that I cum every time somebody buys garbage like this
>>109115660No, they're 150-250, and I would bet Valve is paying the 250 price, if not higher. Why lie and or make up shit that anyone can disprove by fucking googling it for a few seconds?
>>109115728That's alot of Cummings for one to do.
I never understood the hype around the steam machinewith xbox/nogamestation/boingwahoo there's at least a theoretical danger of some sort of exclusive gamesSteam machine is just another prebuilt PC, and it was never going to be "the best" or "fastest" prebuilt PC at release time, which was also well knownWhy do people give a shit
>>109115240:^)It's not outdated now.It's now the standard.>new game came out>does it work on Steam Machine?if no>I don't think I want it, I want to play on my tv
>>109115732>I would bet Valve is paying the 250 priceYou're wrong. My boyfriend works at Valve and says they have to pay $350 for the 7540u. >>109115764Because Steam is the only good company and Gabe is the only good billionaire.
>>109115732My dad works at Nintendo and it's $97Also, he's fucking your dad
>>109115769Not enough people will buy this garbage for this to matter.They'll sell under 400k units in 3 years. Maybe even under 150k units.>>109115764There was hype around it thinking it'd be affordable lmao. In theory, a big company making a single PC with no customization besides storage size should leverage economies of scale and be fine with 5% margins (especially since they steal 30% from developers game to make more company per employee than any other tech company) to be able to sell a good enough gaming PC for a reasonable price.Valve would be perfect capable of selling a laptop 9070 GRE, zen4 laptop 8core without iGPU, and 2x8GB of RAM for this same price given this position, what's available to them, having plenty of cushion to take risk, etc. Instead they give this garbage where you can just pay retail prices to build a better one for cheaper.
Still not enough to justify upgrading from an 1080ti and 4790k.
>>109115344>Remember to shut the water off on that single mother's apartment because these data-centers need it more than her.to be fair, single mothers are leeches on society and the data center does provide more value.she simply could have not divorced her husband (>70% of divorces initiated by the woman) and she wouldn't be a leech on the government's teet.
>>109111862Why are people raging about the hardware when the groundworks have already been laid for anyone to install the same software stack on their hardware of choice from micro center?
>>109113958What would a PS6 need in order to be a justifiable upgrade and what would the components cost?Then you're also limiting yourself to the whims of Sony and their retarded decision making.
>>109111862There are retards who will buy it and try to convince others it's the greatest thing ever. Get ready boys.
>>109115764I can set it up as a living room emulation station
>>109116322I am well past "this price is unjustifiable" and into "you and i have no control over this except with violence, and you'll not lift a finger but to write whines on the internet"I simply do not care.
>>109117218>except with violenceLuigi Mangione was a prophet and nobody listened. The USA is in the privileged position to start an uprising against the modern royalty, yet only one single CEO met his just fate. There's no hope.
I think the mistake people make is thinking this is meant to be a "gaming PC"No, this is intended to compete with consoles for "couch gaming"This is at least partly why the hype train was so big - Sony, Nintendo and Macroslop like to absolutely gigajew their customers for every nickel and dime, while Steam is arguably one of the most pro-consumer platforms out there, so if the Gabecube could capture a significant enough slice of the market, it could force others to start providing a better serviceAlas, RAM and SSD prices are what they are, and as big as Valve is, they can't afford to just eat the loss in the same way that these other companies can
>>109117218It isn't really a case of unjustifiable, it's a case of whether or not the business is viable and I don't see how it can be viable.
>>109114903>I think Valve is really going mask off to be just as evil as every other big tech company.Nobody forces you to buy one of these
>>109114927>9800x3d>black myth ching chongthat's not a good gpu benchmark UE5 + denuvo slop is notoriously cpu intensive. the shitty laptop cpu in steam machine can't handle AAA UE5 slop
