its over.https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/30985-downloads-app-contacts-gstaticcomhttps://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog/116803930223872181
>>109124136qrd?
>>109124207graphene os connects to google
>use internet to browse websites>website connects to google>"THE FUCKING KIKES ARE RAPING ME!"
>>109124382
>>109124305Yes it has a compatibility layer intended to connect with google, that's one of the features to retain compatibility with apps and you can shut it off.Everyone that uses graphene knows this, it's one of the main features of graphene.
>>109124394i dont mind it i just wrote a qrd for anon
>>109124136>the google phone running google OS on google hardware calls home to google even with muh curry roms
>>109124136
Reminder that Kuketz is sympathetic to terrorist organisations like Antifa
>>109126165If my security OS is so secure even terrorists can use it to shield themselves from feds then it's a good thing :)
>>109124136so what is actually happening here? something is happening, right?
>>109124136something fishy is happening. either with graphene os or rethinkdns.https://www.kuketz-forum.de/t/grapheneos-mit-rethinkdns-verbindung-zu-gstatic-com-waehrend-des-ladevorgangs/16957/10
>>109127422
>>109124136literal happening an /g/ is sleepinghttps://www.kuketz-forum.de/t/grapheneos-mit-rethinkdns-verbindung-zu-gstatic-com-waehrend-des-ladevorgangs/16957
>>109124136>care that your phone is connecting with google>don't care that your phone is tracking your exact location & movements every 2ms it's onPeople are weird
>>109124382In Germany a website that does that (e.g. using Google Analytics or Maps) without telling the user on the data protection page about it can be sued.
>>109127690That's not how it works
>>109124136Seriously, why would anyone ever buy a jewgle phone in the first place?
>>109124136>want to limit exposure to google>step 1: give google fat stack of cash for their phonewhat compels person to do this
>>109126961RDNS users are seeing connections to Google.>Since using [RDNS] I also noticed these strange connections.The connection is happening via the download manager, which means some app that they install is requesting to connect to google.Official GrapheneOS account seems to think it is related to RDNSSeems like RDNS connects to google services for analytics.Nigger nigger nigger nig fuck fuck fuck fuck
>>109127690Connecting to websites? We don't do that in GERMANY
>>109129729>Seems like RDNS connects to google services for analytics.GOOD MORNING SAAR
>>109124136It's allowed but routed to 1.1.1.1
>>109124136graphene os is a honeypot
>>109130820I never used rdns and never will be. Use cloudflare, it's better than jewgle 8.8.8.8
>>109124136very interestinghttps://mastodon.social/@rdns/116810158734599142
>>109127532>MUH trackingNot on graphine OS it's not
>>109131513Yes, you are. How do you think GPS and phones work in general?
>>109131513this thread is literally proving that graphene is NOT completely degoogled.
GrapheneOS: proudly 'completely de-Googled'… until you plug in the charger and suddenly MTP Host + Download Manager start hitting www.gstatic.com like it’s 2012.Turns out 'de-Googled' actually means 'mostly, with nostalgic AOSP remnants'.Brilliant.
>>109131574How do YOU think GPS works?But cellular connectivity does make you trackable.>Connecting to your carrier's network inherently depends on you identifying yourself to it and anyone able to obtain administrative access. Activating airplane mode will fully disable the cellular radio transmit and receive capabilities, which will prevent your phone from being reached from the cellular network and stop your carrier (and anyone impersonating them to you) from tracking the device via the cellular radio.https://grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tracking
>>109126165>He thinks antifa is an organization Back to >>/pol/ with you!
>>109130211Loading background resources?! WE DONT DO ZHAT IN GHERMANY!
>>109126577>antifa are le terroristsimagine being so new that you dont know that terrorist=fed. nothing ever happens organically.>guys look! le extremists are using our extremely secure and private OS, you should totally use it too to organize the white mans uprising! we totally dont have backdoors and we totally didnt develop it in the first place to be a honeypotah, sure thing fed but im good
>>109129729Mutt's Law outta nowhere. Wtf LMAO
>>109127508I wonder if this has anything to do with the connectivity checks. I have it completely disabled and have never seen this network activity.
>Connections to www.gstatic.com are appearing in the DNS logs of some Android devices. The system components associated with these entries include Downloads, Download Manager, MTP Host, Media Storage, and Sounds. However, this does not automatically mean that these specific system components are the ones initiating the connection. The Download Manager can also be used by other apps—for instance, for background downloads—making it appear in the logs as though the connection originated from the Android system itself. Notably, several users have observed such connections while charging their devices or after connecting them via USB. However, the exact nature of this link is not yet entirely clear. This behavior has also been reported on #GrapheneOS, in some cases apparently without any Google apps installed. 1/2>The exact cause remains unclear. All that can be said with certainty at this point is that the connection is linked to an Android system component related to downloads, MTP, and media. Which specific app or system process triggers it has yet to be determined. 2/2
>>109132161So this is more of an AOSP problem than a GrapheneOS problem. Since Graphene and basically every android ROM is based on AOSP, the issue is coming straight from the source it seems.
>>109132198This implies that the foundation upon which GrapheneOS is based has always been compromised.
>>109132198GrapheneOS rushes releases because of security patches and sometimes misses some privacy regressions that are introduced in AOSP. Its pretty logical. But you would've never seen an AOSP distro like Replicant connecting to google servers. Different priorities.
>>109126165>organisations like AntifaKek!Brainwashed cattle
>>109131574gps is receive-only, like radio, you retard
>>109132269Source?
>>109132278
>>109132289Literal next sentence:>though these technologies can enhance the information>source [5]: Computational information: Surveilance>SURVEILANCERead between the lines, anon. The GPS is owned and controlled by the US department of defense, which is a part of the US FEDERAL government.The literal FEDS are behind it, not the schizo "muh glowies" anon babble on this board
>>109132289Does not require =/= doesn't receive dataIt still proves that as long as your phone is on, you're being tracked every 2ms. People that bitch about privacy are always hypocrites. The phone retards ignore credit cards, cars, cameras everywhere, home computers, etc. You're taking a cup of water out of an ocean.
>>109132327>doesn't receive dataI think you mean send. Otherwise you're beyond retarded
>>109132338>ad hominemNot an argument. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Reply more, I'll never see it. I know you will, all low IQ retards keep replying. Prove me right again.
>>109132219
>>109132324>>109132338you don't send anything to the satellitesif you run an app that leaks everything, then that is your problemif you send a handwritten letter to the nsa with your location, then that is also your problem
>>109132345Im this anon retard >>109132324
>>109132324retard who do you think the glowies are?
>>109132327>People that bitch about privacy are always hypocrites.You make wild and bold assumptions. Do you know all these ppl and are they in the chat with us, right now?
>>109132397Enter any thread about privacy or security. Are you too retarded to do that? Do you need others to wipe your own ass too?
>>109132426you know all of their habits and ways of life?
>>109132434non-sequitur. Has nothing to do with people bitching about privacy. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Reply more, I'll never see it. I know you will, all low IQ retards do. Prove me right.
>>109132447It certainly has, you're just too retarded to comprehend it. Sorry you're so upset
This seems to be a very old issue.There are multiple solved topics explaining this available. There's even statements from the grapheneOS account, itself.https://discuss.grapheneos.org/?q=gstatic%20
A lot of feminine passive-aggressiveness with these GrapheneOS users.
thank the heavens I only charge my phone while it is turned off
>>109132324PICREL IS THE SOURCE OF THE INFORMATION. SOURCE NUMBER 5. THE SOURCE YOU ARE MENTIONING.as you can see, directly from this source, that you didn't read at all, they say that GPS does not receive information from a user, it only transmits data to them. a phone has a GPS RECEIVER. please read, nigger. i know you cannot read, you spend all day on tiktok reels, but for once in your life read exactly what this page says.it talks about GPS data. TRANSMITTED VIA THE INTERNET. do you know why they would need to transmit GPS data via the internet? GPS is not internet, do you understand nigger? as YOUR SOURCE says, GPS operates independently of internet reception. because it can't go back up to those satellites! the GPS satellites do not receive signals! THEY ONLY SEND IT. KEEP READING NIGGER.while a carrier can get your approximate location via triangulation, if you were to disable your carrier then nobody would have to know where you are, and you could still receive GPS, and use offline mapping software. BECAUSE YOU RECEIVE GPS. YOU DO NOT TRANSMIT. YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER WHO CANNOT EVEN READ A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT AN ISBN IS. YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A LIBRARY.
>>109132616It's okay, anon. It's going to be okay
>>109131574It's actually quite interesting. Gross simplification but it works roughly like this:Every satellite says "I am at X, the time is 12:31.00010", they do this constantly.Since you know how long it takes for the signal to travel, and the time is now 12:31.00110 when you receive it, you must be 100km away from X.Then you hear a second satellite, so you know you are 200km from Y, there is only 2 places in the world that are that far from X and Y. Then with a third satellite, you know where you are.It's pretty genius actually.
>>109132479its not solved. >>109132161
>>109132749yeah and that's an unfortunate situation and indeed a major concern. I turn off USB C port and disabled download manager.
>>109132749Its not solved. All we can possibly know is that everyone reporting this was using RDNS. Every single person with this issue had installed RDNS, which as they admit uses google analytics. RDNS said that their app dependencies might communicate with google, but they really didn't know. Which is exactly what you want out of a firewall, when the firewall app tells you that they don't know what outbound connections their own app and its dependencies make. But there's no way to know! Its still a very big mystery. One of the biggest unsolved mysteries.
Is Graphene going to be any practical help when it comes to age verification slop coming in? Or what's the use-case for it?
>>109132805They are in Canada so unless Canada forces them to do this, they are fine. Even then, most of these laws that are being proposed have made exemptions for free and open source operating systems. California recently put in an exemption for Linux.
Time to get the waifu phone
>>109132805No. Apps use an api to query the OS if the user is a certain age. GrapheneOS won't support this, like many libre desktop operating systems. The result is these apps just won't work or will go into a mode that is safe for children.
>>109132791has anyone tested with NetGuard?
>>109132864Any reason why the OS couldn't just return true?
>>109132876Check the thread, but I don't think so. I don't remember seeing any mentions earlier.
If GrapheneOS isn't 100% airtight and ends up communicating with Google anyway, why use it at all?
>>109133045It is as airtight as you make it. But there are plenty of reasons to use it even for low threat-levels. Better control over your apps and their permissions. Better exploit protection. And more.https://grapheneos.org/features
I can confirm that Netguard catches it, also. It is a coming from GrapheneOS
>>109133146Pic related taken from Netguard
These are the culprits. Since Netguard cannot run alongside a VPN, RethinkDNS is the only solution to blocking these and stop maintaining a VPN running like mullvad to blanket the entire OS.
Too many faggots and retards in tech LMAO They banned me for something I didn't do. I made 0 claims. All I did was report on what was being discussed by the Germans and ASKED if these considerations were taken into account for the upcoming release.
>>109133383kek, schizos strike again
>>109133383abandon hope
>>109133383Fucking grim.
>>109133383bruh
>>109133383lmao please stop vindicating my decision to move to itoys
>>109131574GPS doesn't do shit it's receive only, over half the GPS satellites up there were launched before Google even existed as a company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellitesThere is ways a threat actor can track you one any phone. Cellular tracking, but it's in no way accurate (only down to a a suburb or a city block at best) and it absolutely doesn't ping your phone every 2ms
Looking at freeDNS after a while, I am not able to reproduce any connections to gstatic. Will try for another 24 hours, but right now the only apps making connections are those I have given network access in the apps menu, and they all make connections to the usual domains, and certainly not any connections to google. Very boring day.
>>109133840>check camera system in the area>check ring cameras>check CC purchase data>use phones in proximityThere's A LOT of ways to find you. Again, even if you can stop your phone tracking, it's a cup of water out of the ocean. Weird how nobody cares all the other ways you're being tracked/monitored. You want privacy, give up all electronics, go deep into the woods, and then live underground.
>>109133383antifa trannies cant handle the truth rumao
>>109134058Your line of discussion makes you sound Jewish but I'll biteNobody is debating that there's a million ways to track you, what I'm saying is that's not GraphineOS's fault.
>>109132883It needs to return a valid token. Which is validated by whatever centralized government system is used for age verification. It can be done trustlessly but from everything we have seen so far, your identity is leaked to wherever you are authenticating and the service you use will be leaked to the authentication authority. Not properly implementing it is probably by design.
>>109134251What you're saying is, we're cooked and it's time to go innawoods
>>109134195Are the jews in the room with you right now? Show me on the doll where the jews touched you.
>>109127690>>109129493Germany is a country where the laws say one thing and the judges and lawyers say another, and the population really don't find out until they fuck around. My landlord was stealing my electricity (had a fake electric meter) and my electric company was helping him keep it secret by pretending to me on the phone and e-mail that it wasn't part of my system (i.e. i wasn't paying for it). But when i hit the breaker it would shut off, so clearly it was downstream of my meter. When i issued a GDPR request (called DS-GVO) both my landlord (which is a company of 250 people) and my electric company (about 100 people) both said to me they don't have to comply with it, so i couldn't bring any of the phone calls they recorded to court.
>>109130859yeah but its the best honeypot
>>109132695It's actually pretty fucking basic, the hard part is making clocks that are both extremely accurate and synced up with one another in both/all satellites.In fact even that isn't the interesting thing about GPS. What's interesting is how it's transmitted. They had it up for decades before they told anyone they had it up, and only released info about it when scientists figured it out. The satalites don't emit signals on a specific frequency like normal radios, they increase the noise floor (or not) across multiple frequencies which you'd only know to look for if you already knew the frequencies it would be hopping to. So it's a real the-rocket-knows-where-it-is-by-knowing-where-it-isn't shit, all so it couldn't be detected and couldn't be jammed (by Russians).
>>109132863
GrapheneOS posted technical details of the connections:https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2070181838241632380
>>109134474>the hard part is making clocks that are both extremely accurate and synced up with one another in both/all satellites.Indeed.>The satalites don't emit signals on a specific frequency like normal radios, they increase the noise floor (or not) across multiple frequencies which you'd only know to look for if you already knew the frequencies it would be hopping to.Oh cool, I didn't know that.Although iirc the last part of the time data was encrypted, so when GPS was released to the public it was like ~50m accurate but eventually they released the key and that's why it's ~7M now.
>>109134647Lmao haha my account is still suspended. I think. I so don't even care that I don't even know if it's still suspended.
>>109134647It just happens to share an id/uid with everything related to downloads and media. What you download and listen to.>don't worry. It's nothing broare they fucking joking?
>>109134647they are clearly panicking over something. Like they got find out, so much so, that post is just repeats it the same shit said the first time, over and over. This is not good GrapheneOS l-sistas. Not good at all. Literally, all your media consumption makes pings to Google, including when you plug your phone in to your computer. THAT'S BY DESIGN. all you can do is block it via Netguard or RethinkDNS.
>>109134656That's right, they encrypted the last few bits of the floating point mantissa to make it less accurate. They also did something where if you were above a certain height, or travelling faster than a certain speed (missiles things) then it was also less accurate. Not sure how they did that actually.
>>109124136google is secure all megacorp infra is inherently secure>t. mikike
>>109134647https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/30985-downloads-app-contacts-gstaticcom/63https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116811567684278477okay, so every phone is just downloading the same 5 certificate transparency files, nothing is uploaded to google, it involves no PIA, and grapheneOS will soon rehost the files themselves in the next release, so you dont need to go to google to do so. in the meantime, you can block this functionality.fucking nothing as always
>>109124207google services ping google servers, literally yet another nothing-burgerall these israeli psyops against grapheneos is the most definite proof that they're doing things right, same as signal and proton.be wary of the lack of psyops, any privacy/security tool that isn't slandered online is 100% honeypot.
>>109135721Until GrapheneOS' team comes out and openly denounce all Jewry and Israel, I will continue to be suspicious of them.
>>109124136Volkswagen sisters, we won. Didn't take two weeks, either.
>>109132327>>109132345retard
who cares graphene wont stop any backdoor access.
>>109135683old /g/ had happenings like the xz backdoornu-/g/ is retarded baka
>>109136720Yup! All those backdoors! Which you can prove, right? You have proof about all these backdoors youve found? On devices using grapheneOS. And you have a device free of these backdoors, yes?
>>109135683holy cope. so much for the so called 100% degoogled phone. just move the goal post and everything is fine. don' t you think its pretty hypocritical, to trash-talk all the other custom ROMs when you can’t do any better yourself?
Ultimately, GrapheneOS communicates with Google. There’s no sugarcoating that. That was literally the goal the GrapheneOS developers set for themselves: to sever ANY AND ALL connections to Google. Now it has come to light that GrapheneOS can't actually do that and this only came out by chance. Yet the Graphene fanboys are downplaying it: "Actually, it's not real telemetry!" If you were truly thinking critically, you’d realize something has gone seriously wrong. Because it proves that GrapheneOS isn't 100% de-Googled, despite that myth constantly being spread.
>>109135683google still receives metadata!
>>109135721>>109135683If the system is marketed as "de-Googled," not a single request may be sent to Google. Period.That is the point where GrapheneOS lied.
>>109135683>i send a request to google>nothing is uploaded to googlepick one
>>109124207GrapheneOS developers love to publicly trash every other custom ROM for "poor security practices." Yet, their own "de-Googled" OS pings Google’s gstatic.com servers by default right out of the box, leaking user IPs and timestamps to Google.For a project that preaches absolute privacy and attacks others over minor flaws, shipping with Google connections enabled by default is the ultimate hypocrisy.
Isn't it interesting that this problem had been known for months, yet the Graphene OS developers simply downplayed it and swept it under the rug? The whole issue only blew up because an established security expert made a post on Mastodon that was subsequently shared here. Only then did the Graphene OS developers feel compelled to address the matter. But the whole affair reveals something else, too: the Graphene OS developers completely ignore their own community and its concerns, failing to take them seriously. The Graphene OS developers are so ensconced in their ivory tower that they have completely lost touch with reality. They remind me of the gerontocratic party elite of the Soviet Union.https://www.kuketz-forum.de/t/grapheneos-mit-rethinkdns-verbindung-zu-gstatic-com-waehrend-des-ladevorgangs/16957/20
>>109133045What is up with this CONSTANT "all or nothing" mentality around here? Is it literally just autism? It's really tiresome...
>>109138212>ban anyone raising concernshow could we have known?
>>109138212>stop noticing connections to google, you trolls >your evidence is unsubstantiated>we're being attackedsure guys the schizo mentality isn't hurting at all
>>109138276Because it was constantly drummed into us that GrapheneOS was the gold standard for privacy and completely de-Googled. Is it any wonderthen, that one ends up disappointed?
kuketz just wrote an article about this:https://www.kuketz-blog.de/grapheneos-warum-android-eine-verbindung-zu-gstatic-com-aufbaut/
>>109138571GrapheneOS users have been living a lie all along. They believed they were completely free of Google. That turned out to be false. And now, they aren't even allowed to sever the revealed connection to Google retroactively!
>>109138060this is quite apparent to me
>>109138212My account is still suspended. Despicable homosexuals. This is why I used to beat them up in middle and high school. A buncha Gorky mouthed little bitches
>>109139077should have been a perma
>>109139077*girly>>109139085when you least expect itseems like some moron is creating troll posts. this is not the way.
>>109138379this shit makes GrapheneOS very suspicious and dangerous almost like it can be used as a vector to target those disliked by the schizoids
>>109134428nyoooo what do you mean european countries are a tinpot clownshow circus where legal authorities regularly decide to not apply the law because it's too much trouble or the state treasury incurs a 100 dollar loss, it's free healtharino care and super healthy food because an unelected EU official hecking says so and you go to jail if you misinform!!! all we do all day is laugh at how stupid and gross donald trump and the americans are!!! they dangerously bear arms and own more than one car per family and don't even get a visit from the cops for buying three bottles of vegetable oil or running the air conditioning too much!!!!!!!!!even right wing americans that think they understand, don't fucking understand
>>109138548Way to miss the point entirely...
>>109139327micay, your marketing department sucks. stop misleading people about your product. If you and your propagandists didn't constantly spread the false mantra that GrapheneOS is the most secure, most private, and 100% de-Googled custom ROM, people wouldn't be angry with you. You misled us with promises you couldn't keep. That is the real tragedy. Whistleblowers and activists trust GrapheneOS to protect them, but the moment something unpleasant comes to light about GrapheneOS, you sweep it under the rug. You betrayed everyone. You betrayed yourself.
>>109139376not only this but they gate keep and retort with passive-aggressive behavior, censorship and censurship. no one is allowed to question the supposed infallibility of GrapheneOS and if and when they do they are treated like heretics. these ppl are tone-deaf and can't comprehend that these questions are meant for quality control due to the fact that those who ask these questions are very much interested in privacy, like myself. GrapheneOS is too good to be true and it will always be met with skepticism that need to be quelled with transparency. trannies won't grasp this because they fall for the dominance mind disease that plagues all humans
brb, buying an iphone, at least they have a competent marketing department and normies won't make fun of me for using it, and anon will hopefully stop bullying me for being stupid enough to install graphene
I love how /g/eets shill this as the best privacy OS for years now and yet somehow no one actually audited the code and this entire time it's been calling home to Google
>>109129493>we don't do that in americaShut the fuck up fat faggot.
Well I'll be! Thank you for showing me the light Mr. Rudd. I will now be switching to stock AOSP and logging into a Google Play account!
>>109124136wait until you discover the sim cards OS has NEVER been securea taxi driver once told me (they) can track EVERYONE from space even with the battery dead, back when nokia 3310 was current.
>>109139991somebody should run claude mythos over graphene's code so we can finally end this.
Tell me why I shouldn’t just use an iPhone in lockdown mode?
>>109141311This but unironically.
>>109141544Lockdown Mode and Advanced Data Protection are so good.
>>109141544https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2027744627701277037#m
>>109132616kek based anon doing Lord's work putting these tards in their place. Can't wait for india to evaporate so we return to normalcy.
>>109135683They've gotten so defensive about trolling they have become unable to even given an inch.If it's not a small information leak, why are they changing it? Because it is.
>>109141544NSA backdoors
>>109124136it's ok, you're only tracked in the sandbox
>>109140364Well, yeah. That's why you take the SIM card out before tossing a phone/etc. No power for the SIM, no radio.
