Reposting coz I'm scared and need hand holding.

>Final interview with CTO
>Tell them I want between 100-110
>Get offer today
>90k
What is this about? Can someone help me it is my first job out of college and I'm not sure if its a misunderstanding or normal or I'm being played.

Should I try to ask softly for 100 like "As Jerry and I discussed, given the role's scope, would the company be able to align the base salary at $100,000? That matches the range I had submitted and what we discussed as a comfortable starting point." Or do I take this because I'm unemployed? It just feels stupid. I put in the application 100k+, then said it during the interview, and now they are lowballing me, like, why not reject me?

>>109127209
I hope you are right but I'm so scared of losing this, I applied to 2000 jobs to get this, not joking.

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How do you guys get energy to do anything? I've started to scale back on caffeine intake because it made me sicker instead of more awakre.

>>109127268
Don't ask for $100k. Accept the offer and apply elsewhere when you feel comfortable. Don't be retarded, this is an employer's market and even asking for more money can get you easily replaced.

CI/CD is a waste of time. The whole mid 2000's "process" has gotten less attention over the past few years as AI slop and hype has taken over. But understand that all these extra processes and steps are required to keep low quality work at an arm's reach within an environment that "scales". The solution is have fewer steps done by higher quality people. If you disagree with this take, you're one of the people who needs this Byzantine system and you're probably a jeet.

>>109127250

I've actually seen people mention help desk. I'm really not interested in making a boat load of money. I'd be fine with a simple job. What's help desk like? Is it a source of stable employment? I've worked in a call center before and it doesn't sound too different from what I can tell.

>>109127318
what are these allegedly redundant extra processes and steps you speak of?

>>109127338
It's a dead end job no better than working at a call center.

>>109127346
>CI
>CD
Some degree of literacy is required to post here. You've filtered yourself as either a jeet or an angry DevOps wannabe

>>109127360
It looks like the pay is slightly above average, at least here on the Balkans. Is it really that bad? Is there something else you'd recommend?

>>109127377
How much time and effort are you realistically willing to spend? Getting some kind of degree or learning a trade is realistically the only pathway you have in order to earn a living wage.

>>109127318
>>109127374
Why is continuous delivery a waste of time and Byzantine? Isn’t the whole thing about saving time and being simpler by allowing code to get pushed automatically without having to get a gatekeeper to manually pull it in every time a change is made?

>>109127387
I can't really afford uni right now. But when it comes to time you can call me Chronos. How much time does it take to prepare for such a job. A year or two?

>>109127318
most places ive used ci/cd it was just running tests + some deploy script, what's the big deal here? you have a fetish manually ssh'ing/or whatever into server each time?

>>109127412
If you can't afford then learn a trade (trade school) as there you'll at least get paid. Anything IT related that's not software dev you'll have a better chance than software dev. Or really any trade is better than what you have right now.

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@109127374
>cars and planes are fucking BAD and STUPID
>heh surely you don't mean we should just abandon cars and planes and go back to using horses..... what about transportation in its current state do you dislike?
>cars and planes BAD.!!!.....STUPID........ you INDIAN and NIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>109127430
>learn a trade
I've worked those types of jobs and man do I not get along with blue collar types

>>109127430
what trade would you recommend your daughter go into?

>>109127469
My cousin learning painting for example.

I have some Indian coworkers and I’ve noticed that working with them is a lot like giving a prompt to an LLM and waiting for a result.

>>109127487
so shes unemployed

>>109127450
What's the issue

>>109127495
except that claude actually listens when I tell it to ask for my input instead of making retarded assumptions when something is unclear
for reasons incomprehensible to the non-jeet mind, the jeet would rather jump off a cliff than ask for clarification right then and there instead of claiming to have understood it perfectly and coming back to ask for help hours/days later

>>109127268
yeah as much as I'd want to say otherwise, I think the other anon might be right
you are very lucky to have been given a job offer as it is
better to take it now than get the offer rescinded
keep looking even after you start your new job

>>109127418
>>109127392
You're just adding to the point he made. If it's just a report to run then it is a waste of time. There's got to be a pay off to run it

>>109127278
Caffeine stops working eventually because of the desensitization effect. I suggest you stop consuming it only a daily basis and use it only for emergencies.

>>109127584
why is it a waste of time? some deployments are a cancer to do manually

>>109127584
Maybe I’m just thick but I still don’t understand the problem. If the code needs to be manually deployed then you’re wasting the deployer’s time, so wouldn’t automated deployment save time?

>>109127392
If it takes hours to run or if there's any approver in the process, then it's a waste of time.

>>109127636
The purpose of CICD is to get rid of the approver and thus save time, no?

>we will never go back to a pre AI internet
>90% of the time AI is used it just makes shit worse

>>109127665
Depends on the organization. At my last workplace, the bottleneck was the lazy devs delaying the approval despite them not having much work because they don't want others to get ahead of them.

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>4 hour mandatory compliance + "fun volleyball BBQ" session tomorrow

>>109127495
Yeah, like a really shitty mini-LLM from 2022 that doesn't know where to find the search bar in the network tab in a browser

>>109127704
>fun volleyball BBQ
Tossing baby back ribs with the manager?

>>109127716
more like shitty grocery store meat and bring your own salad typa shit

>>109127619
>>109127623
These assumptions are of course that you're checking anything worthwhile and the CI/CD process does something once uncovered. Most of the time this turns into an exercise in finger pointing and excuse making. You're talking about it like you haven't seen it in use. We can all google the definition of CI/CD

>>109127698
Okay, I think we’re talking about different issues then, because if there’s a manual approval then I don’t consider that CICD. The whole point of CICD should be to automate the entire deployment.

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It's fun to keep interviewing after you have a job.

> anon can you do this leetcode, we want to see your problem solving skills for a senior level position

>>109127770
>fingerpointing when an issue gets found is MEANIE
So what would you rather have, issues get unreported and everything becomes the Ganges river?

I finally get the overqualified meme.

>helping boss interview for new junior position
>interview this guy with a beautiful website, portfolio, even a 100 star open source project
>answers all questions perfectly, knows multiple cloud platforms
>boss starts texting me mid interview that we NEED to hire this guy
>eventually bursts out and tells him we want him (we had 5 more interviews scheduled)
>tell boss later i think this is a bad idea and that the position doesnt pay enough for someone like him
>boss says i shouldn't worry and thay if he applied he is obviously ok with the pay
>1 week after he joins he already built an app for our BA team and everyone is happy
>1 month in and he owns 4 projects and is doing amazingly, the talk of the company
>2 months in and he gave his 2 weeks notice now that he got a job paying him 3x
Now me and my boss are inheriting all those 60-80% completed apps. Fuck this, I'm the one planning to leave now.

>>109127770
I genuinely have not seen it in use but have been advocating for it at my current contract because I want my coworkers to be able to deploy their code on their own instead of pinging me to manually deploy it every time they need make a little change. If I’m mistaken and CICD works differently in practice than the theory I’m willing to be corrected.

>>109127771
Someone has to do something with the CICD though. That's the issue. Yeah any skiddy can put a script in your project's repository, run it, and then override any errors. But then what's the point? If you're not using it for anything then it was a waste of time. If you do use the CICD result then like he said, devs use it to sandbag or delay your project until they wanted yours to be done.

>>109127812
>delay your project until they wanted yours to be done
is this an indian coworker thing? i never had this problem

>>109127807
it does not, I legitimately don't understand the guy
at my job commit -> staging is all automated and the pipeline requires manual intervention like once a year when a funky package update happened somewhere down the CI container image chain
production deployments are a pull request against master and asking the """ops""" jeets to click a button on a Friday night (not my call, I'm in a giga-regulated dinosaur industry)

>>109127709
post tc

>>109127855
Why would this problem be restricted to Indians?

>>109127919
im indian

>>109127244
>impact lives like
>physician (medical mistakes are 3rd leading cause of death)
>teacher (killing the spirits of little kids)
>soldier (no comment)
this explains so much about job hunting in 2026

>>109127927
Naive people put other professions on a pedestal.

>>109127268
>As Jerry and I discussed, given the role's scope, would the company be able to align the base salary at $100,000? That matches the range I had submitted and what we discussed as a comfortable starting point
Who talks like that?

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>>109127954
>Who
management and other folks who wish to say a lot and mean nothing

>>109127954
how do you speak with directors?

>Hey give me more money

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How fucked am I?

I am the sole engineer responsible for the frontend code which requests and shows ads on our customers' pages. Recently, I discovered a bug for one customer (runs ~50 sites), in which the frontend library was sending 2x ad requests for every page view, meaning that for... who knows how long, we MAY have been over-reporting the number of actual ads the client served. I say MAY because this is a RACE condition: we request multiple ads but we don't always record them.

Anyways, we are broadly confident that the impact on the entire platform is pretty minimal, but the impact on this particular client could be sizable if we can't figure out how to make the accounting work.

Factors I have going for me:
>1. Literally nobody else at this company understands this code the way I do. If they fired me tomorrow they'd be at a major disadvantage for a while until they got another engineer up to speed, and the other engineers we have hired are... not great. Indians, bootcamp grads, etc.
>2. We are not totally sure if this impacts revenue at all or if it just makes us look like assholes to the client. We've also made some improvements to the platform that legitimately increased the number of ad views we got, so things MIGHT even out in the end
>3. This is a bug on one specific customer's platform, not a bug across the entire library, so it's not like it was particularly easy to hunt this thing down.
>4. Despite this problem, I wrote maybe 75% of the code for this system, so I've still delivered a few million in revenue to the company
>5. My code almost NEVER comes back with bugs - not at the same rate as the other engineers in the company.

Factors working against me:
>1. I don't think my coworkers like me very much. I'm definitely not a good culture fit at this company
>2. My boss is an emotional asshole, though I've never actually seen him fire anyone, despite the constant fuckups from the other engineers

Anyone have a deep hatred for suits? I swear I see anyone in the office wearing something formal I instantly think of them as a huge douche and I'm usually right. I was watching a janitor struggling to keep the door open because the handicap button won't work and he needed to bring his things inside and the suits just walked past him and I'm just like WTF is their problem. My hatred for the suits is so fucking deep man, they already trigger my beef mechanic instantly.

I constantly feel exhausted after work. Four people on my team, including myself, have been trying to tell my manager how fucked and toxic this team is, but he just doesn't give a shit.
I really should start looking for a new job, but man the industry looks like hell right now.

>>109128319
>1. I don't think my coworkers like me very much. I'm definitely not a good culture fit at this company

Culture fit is a euphemism for being a lazy worker.

>2. My boss is an emotional asshole, though I've never actually seen him fire anyone, despite the constant fuckups from the other engineers

Your boss is probably being gaslighted by the managers into thinking the bad engineers are good engineers.

>had a meeting last week of the CEO and other C suites jerking each other off with AI
>mfw the VPs decided to make another fucking meeting this week to jerk each other off with our "new" mission statement
can these losers get a fucking life holy shit I'm getting way too burnt out it's insanely hard to hide it anymore.

>>109128319
>I serve ads
McKill yourself fucker

>>109128394
please someone help me i need tips to hide this. im happy outside work but inside work i feel like I'm going fucking crazy fuck these bitches burn them alllllll

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https://leetcode.com/problems/design-memory-allocator/

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>>109128391
>Culture fit is a euphemism for being a lazy worker.
Well that's not what I meant, here. Despite being in tech, the office culture is very finance-bro heavy. A lot of the middle management came from wall street. The other engineers are mostly doing this job for the money, have no passion for engineering.

>>109128431
Sorry bro it's pretty much happening throughout the entire industry.
Non-engineers talk with Claude and use a couple hundred tokens to spin up a PoC in 20 minutes, and then start berating the engineers for taking 3-4 weeks to implement a single feature.
I work in a regulated field, and this shit is still all over the place. You either need to weather the storm or leave the industry.
For what it's worth, booze and weed technically do help numb the pain, but they also cause other problems, so.

>>109127244
How do I escape 9-5 and start generating my own money instead of working for someone else?

>>109128503
you could start selling yourself, most SEs would hire you for a night out, especially if you dress properly

>>109128503
Build a fleet of agents to self publish books on Amazon and music on Spotify.

>>109127244
how do we nuke india?

>>109128491
I don't even mind using AI but stroking yourself over something a monkey can do and being a performative goober is way too much im about straight to fucking yeet a chair at the tv

>>109127278
I get energy b-*falls asleep in your path*

I work from home and go walk/sit in the sun and daydream about sex with chinese ex/future gfs

I barely get any work done unless it's fun tasks like pair programming

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>throws your resume in the trash

>>109128565
I agree with you, but as you've seen firsthand this is how upper management operates. It's a circle jerk of gassing each other up over boilerplate and hypotheticals.
But you know their shit isn't scalable, isn't durable, and isn't secure. I mean, obviously it's none of those because it's only a surface level PoC, but there's no available route to take that and turn it into a functional product.

>HR asked me to make AI based resume analysis
Time to filter all the luddites.

>>109128763
Be sure to filter out people with more than three syllables in their last name!

>>109128319
just blame it on the process retard, you are taking this way too seriously
if the business cared then they shouldnt have been cheap niggers and invested more resources into monitoring this shit properly

>>109128763
what's a luddite lol. someone who doesn't mention they're ai enginsaar? probably everyone does it nowadays

>>109127510
you have no degree, no experience, and barely any interest in tech, and you still think you are going to get a job in it? it might be time to wake up mister bohemian artist.

>>109127927
>physician (medical mistakes are 3rd leading cause of death)
untrue reddit stat based off of a really small set of data extrapolated to the entire country

>>109128592
yeah I know but I'm asking how do I personally stay sane. I don't really care about the product or project or anything but at the same time dealing with outsourcers and AI and finding use case "and just do it" are killing me.....

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>>109128772
>Alexander

>>109128871
The actual numbers are probably a lot worse given how sloppy the medical industry is.

>>109128883
Every war has some casualties I'm afraid.

>>109128583
Wtf are the dots next to the skills?
Did she rate herself on her skills
Did she think making 2 of them 4 instead of 5 made it look more real?

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>>109127244

Hi Anon, please have a seat. You passed the system design, coding, and behavioral interview. Now we need you to pass the creative thinking part before we hire you at Google. This problem involves solving the hardest problem in tech right now. How do you solve the Indian Hindu rape rat problem?

>>109129101
The last prince of persia games were pretty terrible anyways. The 3rd game felt rushed imo.

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>>109129101

Just saw a jeet's github profile and remembered I'm a complete imposter. How am I supposed to compete with that?

>>109129429
you havent darktriadmaxxed yet

As someone once said about monekys and typewriters, your resume too could become anything

>>109129528
whats the point in lying on my resume if they're going to put me through 8 rounds of leetcode hards anyways

>>109129575
idk im a tech consultant, we are all about the personality and fit interviews. Maybe you should figute out how to skip those.

>>109127268
read a book on negotiating, and understand it is hr's job to jew you out of every penny

>>109128462
>The other engineers are mostly doing this job for the money, have no passion for engineering.

Culture includes work ethic. If you're more competent than your coworkers or work harder than them, it'll make them look bad in comparison. It's unlikely this isn't a factor in your coworkers not liking you.

>ask coworker to review (very small PR)
>next day mention in a meeting I need him to review it, he says he'll get it done
>next day ask him if he's reviewed it
>"not yet, mr jeet says I need to get my PR I've been working on the last few weeks in today"
>his PR is literally 2 lines of code
>logs off at 5pm sharp, doesn't review my PR or get his in

spent 63% of my pro plan claude usage solving a leetcode medium award

>>109129712
that dont answer his question tho

>>109127268
have you never haggled in your life? you want as much money as you can get and they want to pay you a little as they can. you made a 100k offer and they countered with a 90k offer. that's normal, it means they aren't desperate, if you're not desperate then you'll stand your ground at 100k, of course, the risk for both parties is losing the job/applicant

>>109130120
I thought haggling was done via call not via offer email *thinking emoji*