Did (we) get anything valuable from anonymous boards ever? It seems like anonymity shows the worst of humans, and an identity even if fake keeps the community sane.Sure, we sometimes get some good discussions, but they're the exception, while other forums that have a pseudonym identity seem to have higher quality posts and threads, and users tend to be more willing to invest into the community, even the most notorious forums have higher quality posts than most anonymous chansGoing back to the original inspiration of modern anonymous BBSs, they were created and mainly targeted at the underground cultures (mainly for lolies and cp) and attracted the worst of the japanese. The same goes for moot's english version of 2chan: 4chan, brace for faggotry.But when we look at the other end of the horseshoe: reddit et al, it's just the reverse of 4chan and has everything wrong with it but reversed.Is there a better system of social software that doesn't end in a shithole? Maybe something in the middle? What do you think?
>>109135079I forgot the name field from a previous thread, whatever.
>>109135079I think the best system would be something like tinychan/minichan where you have a hidden account but are anonymous to everyone but the mods.The second best would be something in the vein of Twitter.Proper Forumsare too ponderous and inelegant to produce memorable content.They're good for stuff that's highly technical like growing mushrooms or building meshnet infrastructure but really uninteresting for ongoing shows or talking about life.
>>109135079>an identity even if fake keeps the community sanefalse
>>109135231I know about the cabal produced by namefags, but comon, it's not like anonymous have it better.
>>109135174>I think the best system would be something like tinychan/minichan where you have a hidden account but are anonymous to everyone but the mods.This defies the reason for anonymity where everyone should be the same and only the posts stand for themselves. I thought about a system of moderating the posts, maybe that will be easier with LLMs.>The second best would be something in the vein of Twitter.How? You mean like mastodon et al?>Proper Forumsare too ponderous and inelegant to produce memorable content.>They're good for stuff that's highly technical like growing mushrooms or building meshnet infrastructure but really uninteresting for ongoing shows or talking about life.Yeah, but a more dynamic and adaptable system can be used for different kind of boards.
>>109135079The benefit of 4chans model is its ease of entry, where normies are committing nothing and can just through some shit out there, and the discussions here feel very raw, funny, bad/stupid and inconcequential. The problem with pseudonymity is that it gives people a false impression of other people. The pseudonyms can be whoever, they are not your friends, your internett buddies are not real people. They can be AI-bots, shills, pedos, or other fake accounts. A lot of old people are getting their facebook-accounts copied by malicious people, and the fake accounts are used to spread jewish propaganda and boost fake activity. I would rather have flamewars with Indian kiddos, and shills that have no pretences. Social media is being used to influence politics, and russian trollfarms are spreading hatefull lgbtq+++ propaganda, and tranny nonsense, designed to influence the weak minded, like young people, boomers and politicians.
>>109135352the problem is that you think 4chan is not a honeypot that is meant to be the controlled opposition of reddit et al. If you allow unrestricted access, or restrict all access into an echo chamber, it is not good. My question was: what can be the good middle way.
>>109135079Hi, there are upsides and downsides about 4chan but the broader issue is the fitness of the tool itself for the purpose you’re looking for.People use pseudonyms on the Gemini protocol and there are a bunch of idiots over here, but there’s basically no drama.There’s the issue that 4chan is an anime website, and that a non-topical image board can run down the wall fast. Whereas a technology board on an anime forum could be of a high quality, an anonymous _forum_ (that assumes a base shared knowledge and experience level from its participants) can be a source of pain if you’re delusional about the fact that every social setting has an entry barrier.
>>109135632And there’s the implicit idea of a dissolution of the subject. Following Erving Goffman, stigma (e.g. being a woman, being fat, being a person of color, being homosexual, etc.) in the United States of his times were treated in a sense close to its original greek sense, as marks of infamy. The selling point of 4chan is the converse of its contents: sharing a political identity, instead of a community identity (Hannah Arendt) based of shared marks of infamy. Arendt’s definition of politics was subjective and ontological, whereas Jacques Rancière’s gave precedence to "la" politique, as the struggle for equality against forms of governence (whose articulation was called "le" politique), on political subjects; the social order, as the trigonometric space of relationships and distances among the working class, maintaining IMHO a consistent, mutualized terrorist form of violence among workers according to their stigma, fixes them to their places as oppressed workers under capitalism, and enables their predictable modelization according to what looks like (from a distance) Michel Foucault’s concept of biopolitics.This is the premise of anoymous imageboards: the precedence of the action on the subject. Linguists and semiologists have suggested a new form of grammar, giving precedence to the verb on the subject, which is shrinked to an action complement among others. This is in blatant contrast with the use of 4chan as a space for Nazi propaganda, and with users complaining about Reddit being a space dedicated to the tyranny of the majority (not that I’m fond of Reddit; in fact, I’ve never been active there and I’ve deleted my account).
>>109135079The whole point of anonymous boards is that you don't have every single thing you say tied to a singular identity. So you can be wrong about something one day and not have it held against you, or you could play devil's advocate on topics you might normally not want to attach your name to. You could have a "right wing" opinion on one thing and a "left wing" opinion on another. The problem with identity is that a lot of people are psychotic and if you have one opinion they consider to be a bad take, suddenly all your opinions are invalid. Or they'll be very mad you don't agree with the herd on one particular topic and sperg. People are especially fixated on trying to de-anonymize those they dislike, so complete anonymity (to other users) is the safest.What do you even mean by "pseudonymous"? Even if you're given a random name, it doesn't really change anything. There was this YikYak phone app that tried that, and I saw people try (and successfully) doxx each other there too. Also, people will eventually open up and start telling more about themselves because some people are attention whores or are desperate for friends. What you are actually upset about is low moderation and/or 4chan isn't even really something you like. Just go join a forum.Also combining lolis (anime girls) and cp (videos of real children being raped) into a generic "underground cultures" term is retarded. The two are completely different levels of severity.
>>109135079Your postIsVery well spaced.Makes it very easy.To read.Thanks!
>>109135079>and an identity keeps the community saneThen why has every social platform on the internet gone insane and 4chan still has reasonable discussion on it? You really didn't think this through.
>>109135352>russian trollfarms are spreading hatefull lgbtq+++ propaganda, and tranny nonsensethey're kikes anon
>>109135647>This is in blatant contrast with the use of 4chan as a space for Nazi propaganda4chan is not a nazi website, and if it was I wouldn't use it. It is the most diverse social media site I ever used, in terms of people's views and backgrounds.A hidden account system as >>109135174 suggested with optional names is the way to go. Building reputation on an account should lower restrictions such as captcha difficulty. 4chan sort of does this already but with email and browser fingerprinting.
>>109136192>>109136192>It is the most diverse social media site I ever used, in terms of people's views and backgrounds.All me btw
>>109135079>it seems like anonymity shows the worst of humanscorrect, having a pseudonym, even if it's different from the rest of your online presence makes a difference 'cause you'l be building a characteristic profile around that paeudonym and even though we don't know it's you, you yourself know.
>>109135079Honestly unless a bait thread can achieve higher velocity it's not worth making
>>109136329Most people are not responsible or self-aware enough to have pseudonyms, and having one compels them to act like tremendous faggots, this used to be common folk knowledge on 4chan and still holds true today more than ever.
>>109136364okay but what if everyone was a tripfag? Then no one will stand out.
>>109136401Literally EVERY other website on the internet works the way you want it to. This is the last holdout for people who aren't interested in participating in homoerotic discord drama. Why can't you go literally ANYWHERE else? You don't belong here, so why pretend you fit in to begin with, only to try to make it conform to the 99% of other spaces you feel comfortable with? Leave us alone holy shit. Try to go 5 minutes without scheming to ruin something out of spite or jealousy or whatever.
>>109136401It's more likely than you think.
>>109137038>20 greasy nerds that already know each other from sucking and fucking at an anime expo namefag it up in 2004wow, I'm compelled. anyways, bring back Snacks.
reddit is infinitely worse than 4chan thoughbeitalso /pol/ is technically pseudonymous (ids) so there you go
>>109135079Pseudonymous boards are usually dominated by a handful of obsessed retards who act like they own the place, and will not stop shitting out their dumb opinions. Since these boards typically have heavier moderation where "uncivil" discussion leads to bans, it's impossible to even tell them to fuck off, ridicule them etc. That's why I prefer anonymous. At least it stays fresh, and retards get called out, which is funny.
>>109137183And now you've inadvertantly discovered the problem with anon vs pseudo. The outsider.
>>109135079We don't need your homosexual ideas here.There are already a place for things like you.
