>Discord has started rolling out Incode for age verification. The system requires users to submit a government-issued ID and a selfie to confirm their age.Mass Boycott Discord If we let this get normalized it will ruin the free internet foreverDelete it and delete any app and stop using any website that asks you for personal documents or biometrics to access it do not comply with the forced doxxing make these companies lose so much money they have to convince these governments to reverse these decisions
>>109158485If you haven't nuke your discord accounts 4 months ago, you won't do shit now.
>>109158485This was months ago and most people aren't in danger of being profiled unless you browse the Free Robux discord serverWe also already went through this """""boycott""""" and surprise, the only alternatives take forever to set up and are ran by morons who refuse to streamline any process of the installation or hosting phase. The act of inviting someone to a Matrix server involves literally posting emoji runes for people to add to their keyring instead of just /invite/faggot. This is in an era where every single operating system has systemwide TLS and there's no need for that shit.
>>109158485I can't delete discord because i never installed it in first place.I don't run anything electron because it's fucking retarded to use an outdated, standardized browser.Discord itself got hit several times by this.
>>109158509They also had 100,000 verification leaks earlier this year with tons of virgins showing the world their fat ugly mugs lmao>Y-your scan doesn't leave your deviceand other (((lies)))
>>109158485I really hope they do this in America too because it might make the few friends I have who insist on using this platform drop it.
Why is this bad? Isn't this exactly what discord trannies deserve?
>>109158509My family uses Discord as a group chat so I can't delete it unless I want to be even more of an asocial retard than I already am and miss out on a ton of conversations or announcements people make.
>>109158768your family uses discord as a group chat instead of Signal or WhatsApp?
groomtroons btfo
>>109158789It's what happens when everyone in your family is an 3p1c g4m3r. It started as an MMO clan chat and then they just invited everyone in the immediate family.
>>109158768>family groupchat
>>109158797my condolences anon
>>109158768I'm not telling you to not use discord, i'm telling you to use it in a browser.It's the same shit except you don't get fucked by some video exploit shit.
>>109158961Actual good advice ITT
>>109158485I will never forgive Discord for destroying forums.
>>109158485>using ShatcordNot my problem
I'm just going to continue using it while not giving them my ID. Simple as.
KEK a reminder that Discord is only doing this because people found an ungodly amount of pedophiles on their app, politicians then took action, and this is their way of meeting halfway instead of actually taking action against said pedophiles. Anyone who still uses pedocord is unironically cucked beyond belief.
>>109158485> oh no how will I groom minorsLiterally you
>>109158500>the only alternative is mateixfluxer and stoat exist
>>109159450Isn't stoat filled to the brim with furfags? Asking because I remember hearing it somewhere but never looked into it.
>>109159461Use it for your servers with friends or family.If you used discord for public servers you were already a closet furry.
>>109158509It's a Web app. And it's a slogan that could mean delete your account or just stop using it.
>>109159030Me too. >hey let's move from these easy to index and search platforms to one single closed platform
>>109158485you know this was coming for a long time and did nothing?
>>109158768>can't delete it unless I want to be even more of an asocial retard than I already am and miss out on a ton of conversationsGuess you don't want it enough and therefore don't deserve it. I managed to get the few people I still talk to on my Matrix server, largely because I refuse to use anything else.
>>109159450You got fluxer and matrix.Both let you self host and both let you vc. Just use the commet.chat client if you are ganna use matrix and use another homeserver that isnt matrix.org because that homeserver is israel spyware.Joinmatrix.org has a list of homeservers that you can join that isnt matrix.org
>>109158485but i dont have discord?
>>109158500>theres no alternative!!!and here comes the tranny, telling us that the memory leak platform that scans all your running processes, that has an illogical convoluted UI, that caps file uploades at 10MB, that doesnt even allow to use emojis in DMs without paying.... is irreplaceable
>>109159518you can use it through your browseryour can send links to filehostsyou can use emojis fine in DMs, just not server-specitic emojisbut yes, Discord has everything in one package that no other software in the same genre compares to
>soon to receive an upgrade on its encryption ( AKA OMEMO) to make everything post quantum encrypted (chats, voice chats... Basically everything)>it's open sourceWhy the FUCK aren't anons using XMPP yet?
>>109159525>that no other software...discord is literally just a slack rip off, its not even original.It is legitimately a bad and inferior software.
>>109159533Slack is an enterprise focused app that is competing with Teams (and is only useful if you subscribe). The free version of Slack is completely inferior to Discord, and again, it’s not even close.
>>109159030>PM'd you the fix ;)
>>109159532Also forgot to mention that it's decentralized, any anon can talk to others anons that aren't using the same XMPP provider too.
>>109159503Yeah I did the same except with Signal. I would have preferred Matrix, but it's just too damn buggy. I don't want to have to debug matrix over the phone with my mother 4 states away.
>>109159546the point is that discord is an unoriginal rip off that does nothing that others dont do better>but but slack costs moneysays the pedophile tranny with his discord nitroDiscord is horrid. The UI is horrid. It is slow. It still has memory leaks, even when in browser. It has rerarded limits on the most basic features i can do anywhere else for free.There is not one single reason to use this garbage platform for child rapists.
>>109158961>I'm not telling you to not use discord, i'm telling you to use it in a browser.same goes for any electron shit like all the chatgpt, claude, whatsapp ....... electron apps. I don't know why poeople are installing their apps instead of just using the browser
>>109158961Its a messenger!How do you do that on a phone?Are you seriously telling me that using discord in a phone browser, is more comfortable than simply having a native xmpp or matrix app?
>>109159577Yeah, people tell me their Element phone apps are fucked, either they get no notifications or they can't view animated GIFs without downloading, or they can't see any images that people send them. I've been dragging my heels trying to figure out a solution.
>>109159605Dont use gay element. Use commet.chat, has voice channels and custom emotes.The ceo of element himself said he is trying to make element more like imessage and less like discord.
>>109159790You're assuming way too much about what I want.
>>109159589awful lot of assumptionsi don’t pay for nitro and i’m not a pedophilethe irrefutable thing about discord despite its many valid flaws is that it is an all in one convenient package.
>>109159790I really want them to get an equivalent to discord "servers" (or guilds as they're called internally). Yeah I know spaces exist, but they're janky and are lacking.
>>109158500Stupid nigger
what about Fluxer?https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer
>>109159970but you are a tranny
>children ID checked resulting in fewer children on Discord>groomers uninstall DiscordClassic.
>>109160134>heh, what are you, a paedoe?? ;))Classic.
here you go
>>109158485jooke on you, this unmoderated shithole is so full of scamming thirdworlders I stopped engaging it long ago
>>109160033what are they lacking?
>>109160139What other reason is there to use discord?Either you are a child, a troon, a pedophile or any combination of those three.Discord is laggy broken garbage with a horrid UI.
>>109160235i use it to play with my friends videogamesthe ui is fine, it takes at most like 2 clicks to find a chatbut yes i am also a troon pedophilic child but i dont know why it has anything to do with the other stuff
>>109158485>asking a bunch of trannies and gaymers to delete their precious naked children provider.Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen
>>109159030I am so pissed about them killing the idea of forums. At least there is a bit of resurgence with NodeBB that can interact with the rest of the Fediverse (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc)
>>109160228Spaces are just a collection of rooms, and that's it. I could do the same thing with a sheet of paper. In Discord when you join a server, you join all rooms that you have access to and the permissions are managed per server and extend to the rooms. Those are the the two most important differences I think.
>>109160496>In Discord when you join a server, you join all rooms that you have access toThat is a bad thing.I don't want to see your #offtopic and #anime_futa channel when joining a server about something completely unrelated.It is such a bad thing that discord itself changed it and now you get some retarded welcome screens when joining servers where you can decide what roles to take to what rooms you want to see.So basically Discord servers are worse than matrix spaces.
>>109158485>ITT: Anons pretend they don't use discord.Most anons moved to discord since the hack.
>>109160496>and the permissions are managed per server and extend to the roomsWhich is again retarded and a bad thing.So the average discord server has server wide permissions and then specific channel permissions on top of it, that overwrite it in an overly convoluted unintuitive way.You ALWAYS end up dealing with channel specific permissions, so why put that retarded extra layer on top?
>>109160534I dont use discord.I stopped using it when they went on their censorship spree during covid.I know you refuse to accept this, but Discord really is avoidable now.
>>109160047I am self-hosting Fluxer and everything is working great with not much config other than voice calls/screen-sharing which are still buggy. As long as they clean that up convincing friends to switch will not be hard once Discord shits itself post-IPO.
>>109160554How is self hosting? Is it reasonably easy to get all set up and working now?
>>109160551It really isn't. Every general on 4chan has a dedicated discord or a private one to escape trolls who shit up threads.
>>109160565no they dont, lol
>>109160559It's only as complicated to set up as your network config makes it, if you have all the ports open straight to the server running it in docker it's only a handful of steps.https://docs.fluxer.app/operator/get-started/
>>109160543I don't care if some retards make the permissions convoluted on their own servers. Me and the rest of the normies want to manage the permissions for all our rooms in one location.
>>109159577I tried matrix during the discord mini-exodus and couldn't believe what a piece of shit it is after all these years. I've tried three frontends I was told make it better and they were all buggy. Everything is slow, searching is impractical, you only see messages after you've joined a room, read receipts are the default, the list goes on. I understand why schizos would use it but I hope it never gets traction.
>>109160650if they dont do roles and channel specific permissions, you wont be able to avoid witnessing their tranny #offtopic channel for child grooming
>>109158485I haven't been using it in years but that won't stop goycattle from using it sadly.
nobody uses discord anymoreyou idiots are like facebook boomers who still go daily "ok, i know facebook is shit, but theres no alternative!"
>>109160565all the 4channel related discords i was in years ago, slowly died out, they are all gone or reduced to a three person circlejerk
I'd like to switch to something like xmpp and mumble, but I have 0 friends that'd actually be willing to switch.
>>109158485>If we let this get normalized it will ruin the free internet foreverYou are wrong.We need to boycott government foremost. Call out any businesses not protesting against age verification directly, but our first problem is with this overreaching governmentYou simps continue doing ANYTHING but organizing yourselves politically to pressure government. You are the tax payer, you pay the bills, you own governmentStart acting like you own it. Forced age verification especially at the OS level must be 100% inconsitutional
>>109160695They don't have the features. Set up a fluxer server, and then when discord rolls out <unpopular feature> just tell people to sign up to your server that's already running.
>>109160700this, just set up whatever the fuck you feel like, doesnt matter if xmpp, matrix or whatever else floats your boat... and whenever discord does something utterly reated go:>its your fault for using this dumb platform, here is the other placeAnd then slowly treat discord niggers as low priority citizen. Refuse to censor yourself and just say whatever you want to say on their troon discord hangout, which will inevitibly lead to discord suspending people.Discord is so heavily moderated, you can destroy any space. Make it unihabitable.Some troons will stay behind, and those you cut out.Its what happens to every 4chan general related discord, they get abused, purged, discord bans them multiple times, and they then get reduced the tranniest of trannies who keep having drama between each other.
>>109160745>and they then get reduced the tranniest of trannies who keep having drama between each otherand those are the people telling you>noo, you cant just move away from discord!!! I know discord is bad, but you really dont want to be forced to watch my catgirl-cosplay channel?!?! Alternatives baaaadd!!!!nigger, all your discord servers are already dead, people already left you, you are part of the last few idiots stuck there
>>109159518Sure is.Tell your furry trans platform to adopt easier and more robust standards if they want widespread usage
>>109160680You aren't in the private discords that actually matter.
>>109160745literally the opposite of what happens. Instead we get the altchan solution: Idiots get banned and make their OWN imageboard with blackjack and hookers, then nobody goes there and they come crawling back a week later.
>>109158485PROTOCOLS NOT PLATFORMSYou were all warned, you should have listened.....
>>109160657Unfortunately I think it's the least bad option out of all open chat protocols and apps. XMPP is just as shitty, if not moreso than Matrix, and all the other ones have giant tradeoffs.
>>109158485They already have my voiceprint, face, location, what's the point of deleting it? How will I talk to my friends?
We need a chat general. Has it been in done before? Is there an existing template?
If you ever are forced to verify, ALWAYS make a new account. That way everything you said previously isn't tied to your ID now, and you can keep your chat history clean in future.
>>109158768If you're not financially dependant on your family then I really don't know why you'd feel left out.
>i won't be able to groom children anymore
>>109160972This argument falls flat since you can just... still groom children if you wanted.
>choose not to verify age>shitposter posts the crazy frog with his tiny wang hanging out>gets a free passThis is seriously broken
gaben should invest his yacht money on revamping steam discussions and chat
>>109160554that's nice to hear, haven't tried it yet but it looks promising
>>109160041nobody uses matrix bitch ass. irc and msn was way better
>>109161132yea i moved from steam to cringecord and steams way better
>>109158485IRC chads stay winning.
>>109158768>My family uses Discord as a group chatare you brown?
>>109158485No thanks, pedophile.
>>109158485>noooo I can't post NSFW pictures to underaged girls anymoreNot my problem.
>>109159450>>109159461I found Stoat to be EXTREMELY gay. I set up a non federated matrix server instead and that's it. I am content.
>>109158485zoomers and browns get what they deserve for enabling that shit to become so normal
>>109160657>you only see messages after you've joined a roomThis is no longer the case, Element has a setting for it. My problem with it is that it's enabled by default on every chat, so if you add a third person to a conversation, then that third person can now see your entire conversation history with that person. You have to manually change that setting if you don't want it to do that, or hope that your conversational buddy has the foresight to create a new room and THEN add you and the other person.
>>109161520>ElementI appreciate it for what it is, but I prefer Commet.
>>109158485>Mass Boycott DiscordI never used discord to begin with, you stupid faggots who bothered using this troon spyware garbage deserve everything you get.
>>109159239>politicians took actioj against themselvesits bc they were trying to get valuation for selling
I started using discord for general use once the groups mumble server went down around 2017.At that point everyone really liked embedded images and a persistent chat.Then screenshare came along and I don't foresee anyone being willing to swap over unless the changes effect our server or need to age/number verify AND there is an alternative that does the above.
>>109160660I don't really live in Discord like a lot of people do, I just use it for communicating with close people, gaming on the week-end with friends, and the occasional message in the relevant server for a programming question. So I have no idea what you're talking about with tranny grooming stuff. I just don't go to those places.
>>109161730So why do you need discords idiotic and convoluted server + channel permission system then?
>>109161730Some public discords are infested.Every single announcement or update spammed with multiple different transie flag and pregnant man emotes.Pic above is from a pokemon minecraft discord that children went on. I know that under 13 year olds used to go on that discord. It was don't ask don't tell with moderation.I am aware of some players that are now 18 that were active 8 years ago.Hell. Back when me friend ran a nintendo and art forum I think everyone was underage there. We had some kids that were like 8 on there.
>>109161811Like I said, I want to manage all the permissions in one place. For my friends group I have several channels for different topics. If I invite a friend to the server, I want them to have access to all the rooms for the role I give them. Can you do that in Matrix? Also do they have voice channels? I can't convince people to move over if it's missing features and the experience is shitty.>>109161835Huh that's weird. I mostly just stick with my friends and programming servers. That's kinda fucked that parents just let their retarded kids go on the internet unsupervised. I hate how all the parents are trying to make businesses do parenting for them.
>>109158719>>109159181Imagine being so mindfucked by memes posted entirely by friendless virgins afraid of social interaction that you start championing mandatory ID verification as if it won't affect things you do use.
>>109161835>pregnant man emotesThat shit is disgusting and all discord retards do that.Trannies aren't a fringe group anymore for them, but part of the culture and memes and something to pretend to do ironical.And it is mostly a zoomer thing.Late zoomers and Gen Alpha already avoid public discords in the same way millenials started to avoid facebook 12 years ago.
>>109159461>oh my skibidi do le heckin f-f-f-ff-fURRIES use app??!?!!?Anon, furries use this site. If that's that much of a concern, you should fuck off right now.>>109159532Maybe because it fucking sucks and is lacking features? Fluxer is also open source, self-hostable (WIP), and actually has/is building toward feature parity with dicksword, but here's the point where you claim that's a bad thing because something something image embeds and voice chat scare you.
>>109161898What permissions do you have to manage, if you only do some private chat, which you could use WhatsApp for or any other random normie platform?I don't understand this form of cope:>a matrix space is simply an assortment or rooms>this is bad, i really discords trashy and dumb permission system where you have server and channel permissions seperate with one overwriting the other and additional roles for that, because...<discords permission system sucks and is convoluted>ACTUALLY, I DONT USE IT ANYWAY<ok, so why do you need that dumb system>BECAUSE I USE ITok?
>>109161915>Anon, furries use this site. If that's that much of a concern, you should fuck off right now.Shut up furfag
>>109161898>all the rooms for the role I give themso you have to setup a role and change its permission for seperate channels and do MORE work than if you just have some rooms in a matrix space?
>>109161923Nice conversation with yourself.
>>109161398>>109161430I would never in my life do something like that. Put that energy into the Epstein class. You know I'm expressing valid concerns. You want to give your sensitive personal data to companies that will lose it misuse it sell it or give it to the government. It's insane that you think a world ruled by pedophiles and pedophile protectors actually cares about children's safety. Just look at the Epstein class, why are none of them in prison yet?
>>109161915a furry and a retard? lmao
>>109161959>Epstein classits astonishing what terms people come up with to avoid saying: jews
>>109161931In Matrix, can I set power levels for certain rooms, and manage people's power level per space? That's what I have in Discord. Like if I make a space and put a bunch of rooms in it, some admin rooms some not, can I have people join my space and then set their power level?
>>109161973no, what you said that you have in discord is:>create roles>manage role permissions server>then additonally manage role permissions also per channel, to control what they can see>then after inviting the user also set their rolesyou do see how this is dumber and more work than simply... only inviting the user to channels he should see?Remember that your usecase was some private server for friends or family. You swear that you do not use public discords whatsoever.You are lying about this.. but lets assume that you are not lying... if you only have your ten people, why the fuck would you need this retarded and complicated role system?
>>109161973>create matrix space>add all rooms that your friends should be able to access>invite friendsThats it.It is this simple. What specific usecase do you have beyond that?
>>109162012I set the roles once then I can assign them to people, I don't understand what's so hard to understand. I barely ever add channels. >>109162036For one I don't want my little cousins or nephews seeing NSFW memes, so I restrict their access to certain channels.
>>109162060Then just dont invite your nephew to your nsfw room?Is it really so hard for you to understand that this is much easier? This is a problem that simply doesnt exist.>i really need the roleswhy? what do they do?
>>109161961>no argument>won't stick to principlesTypical newfag.
>>109162081So every time I invite a person to a space, I have to add them to every room in Matrix?
>>109162112no, you add them to the space and they themselves choose whatever room they want to join
>>109162120Like the nsfw room?
>>109162125that one would be invite only.Handing out invites to it is less work than managing an "nsfw" role. A role your nephew would see and ask questions about.
>>109158485You won't delete it.
>>109162125btw. note how your only usecase for roles is to control what channels someone can see, which neccessarily leads to as many roles as there are channels (your aunt doesn't want to be bothered by pings in your gaming channel).Then when someone may want to see a channel temporarily, like uncle Andy wants to join your gaming night on saturday but isnt interested in your fortnite talk at any other point, you have to make the role self-assignable.Even for some simple dumb family discord, you create a huge amount of convoluted garbage to mimic the simple functionality of:>only specific people should be in a roomDiscords system is idiotic complicated and dumb.
>>109162132NTA, but I restrict all channels except for one sfw channel. The others I need to assign the role for them to be accessible. So in Matrix, if I invite 10 adults, I'd have to go through and do for my theoretical space with 1 sfw room and 5 restricted rooms, 5 * 10 = 50 assignments?
>>109162199wtf is an assignment?You create an nsfw room, you make it invite only and invite the people you want on?Why do you think that clicking on "invite" is more work than clicking on "add role" ?The only difference is:>you dont have to setup a role in the first place>other people dont know that you have some sekret kool kids klub
>>109162199you can make a room restricted to be only accessible from a parent space, so you could have your five restricted rooms simply within a space that you invite people to.And then the people can themselves choose whatever part of your five fetish channels they want to visit.Because guess what: In almost all cases most people dont want to be part of all of them.An option discord doesnt have, so they create a hundred workarounds.
>>109162213I said multiple rooms numb nutsSo I'd have to do 10 people * 5 rooms = 50 invites?
>>109162224Yeah maybe that could be an option then. I just installed ElementX on my phone just to look around. God this UI is horrendous. I'm trying to find what subspaces look like. Apparently there are some in the Matrix space. Having trouble finding them though.
>>109159479Now if you want any non-trivial information about anything that came into existence after 2018 you have to boot up some bloated electron shitware and join someone's private server and try to not get banned by a Reddit-tier power tripping moderator.
>>109158719They are panicking because they won't have access to children anymore
>>109162256Thats a thing already with commet.chat. the rooms get restricted to the space.
>>109158768sounds like your family is retarded and requires ABA therapy in order to function
just stop grooming children
>>109161915>shilling literal who discord alternative that doesn't even have a FUCKING android client>shitting on XMPP by saying that it sucks and lacks features>doesn't even tell us why it sucks and neither the features that XMPP is missing<
>>109158693they are doing this in America, it was originally only the UK, now its worldwide.
>>109163397>mUH MOBILE CLIENTnobody cares.>MUH XMPP>spoonfeed me the features xmpp is lacking so I can say they don't matter and otherwise dismiss them
>>109163397>doesn't even have a FUCKING android clientbut it does
>>109158485>Discord has started rolling out Incode for age verificationgood, am thinking of making a new account since I deleted mine some time ago because there will be less of you stinky zoomers now
Anyone can make a discord clone it's just electron. You have learned helplessness.
>>109159030>I will never forgive liquid diarrhea killing solid dogshit
>>109163743kek
>>109163664It's on beta, you have 0 opsec if you prefer to use experimental shit.Beta = not a functional client therefore shouldn't be available on the desired supported platform (android)
>>109163781If I had 0 opsec I would post in the desktop threads
>>109159030It's not discord's fault. Why do you creatures always blame everything but the people responsible? Nobody at discord forced people to take a chat application and use it as a replacement for a web forum. Same way nobody forced people to use a reddit board instead of a forum. Blame the people who did it, not the platform they chose to misappropriate.>it's da boigah's fault I'm fat, not me for eating five of them a day
>>109158485I quit using that furry tranny shit program a long time ago
I'm still using it but I edited and deleted every message I sent before contacting support to have my original account deleted. I then registered a few new ones and use them for passive observation.
Use UnrealIRCd and thelounge. Easy enough for normie friends to understand.
>>109164125>edited and deleted every message I sentHow do you do this without getting banned?
>>109164201It doesn't matter, and it won't get you banned. Discord already has all of your messages saved somewhere, connected to your account name, regardless of whether you "deleted" them.It won't get you banned because discord don't care, they already have all of your posts, they won't ban you for wasting your own time.
>>109158485wait maybe this is a good thing after all
>>109163619>nobody careseverybody cares, your personal group of felons don't matter >>spoonfeed me the features xmpp is lacking so I can say they don't matter and otherwise dismiss themNTA but XMPP is a pretty good IRC alternative but nowhere the perfect discord substitute. Probably for niche few that prefer less
>>109164633>XBX>KinoLOL, maybe if you like a shittier offline PSO with mechas
>>109158485Can't even quit shitcord yet since i have too many friends, big scores, and moots on there.I already tried to convince at least a few but i ended up getting some push back by some doomer retards who said there's no point.
>>109158789>signal>whatsappkeklow iq getting culled
>>109158485>/g/ discord boycott #2572485462>This one's the one boys! We'll get 'em this time!
No one here actually discussing how to make our own discord alternative.Anyone have experience with WebRTC and can give suggestions?
>>109164795Specifically, I'm thinking of using this library:https://github.com/paullouisageneau/libdatachannel
Matrix actually has a lot more Discord like instances now and most of them work.You guys still haven't junp to Matrix yet?
>>109158485don't interrupt them when they're making a mistake just stop using their service and document any flaw that can be exploited to steal credentialssomeone will do the funny thing eventually and it will be a pr disaster
>>109160235>>109160134>What other reason is there to use discord?Antisocial retard projecting again, where have I seen this before? oh right. every other time you've bitched about it. Classic.
>>109159461>>109161505>conveniently ignores the better optiontry fluxer already
>>109158500i mean. i still use IRC. been using for over 30 years. still a great platform. fuck discord. it's a shitty cesspool of gooners and groomers.
I set up a Matrix server for myself but nobody I know uses Matrix. I couldn't find a single community outside of Linux stuff that had a Matrix equivalent or mirror. People just bitch about how XMPP is ackshually better and Matrix is badly optimized but Matrix at least has 5 users and XMPP has 0. Stoat is 100% trans and gay shit and I have never seen anyone mention Fluxer outside of "it will eventually be good". So I will be stuck until I get autobanned again for random words by Discord's shitty AI moderation with no human appeal system.
>>109165593I too love IRC and any server that REALLY wants a persistent history can just direct everybody to a bouncer. They don't need the current crop of workaround solutions when IRC still works and most clients have discord-like features like image sharing
>>109165593IRC were the original groomers
>>109165900Never gonna happen. You tell any non tech savvy person to use a bouncer they'll be like "Can we just use Discord though? That's too complicated"
>>109166407Most non tech savvy people don't even know what a discord is, and they'll ask to use facebook instead.
time for simplex
>>109166480The chat app that you can download and never uninstall?
>>109165900Why direct everyone to a bouncer when ircv3 has chathistory and filehost? There are compliant servers like ergo and clients like gamja goguma halloy and senpai.
Whenever I created a discord account I ended up deleting them. Not because of privacy but because no one talked to me frequently and all the servers were dead.
Thats true, you can invite people the anime community and people are talking.https://matrix.to/#/#otaku-community:matrix.org
I have never used discord because I have social anxiety
>>109158485
>>109158485The only way that will happen is if the alternative is just as good or better than Discord, and none of the alternatives are. At least for normal people's use cases, which the retards in this thread seem to not understand.
>>109158500Just invite would require you to have goy-certified TLS certificate for others to connect.
>>109167998Or you just grow up and stop using it and switch to Libera or Matrix. But consumer morons will continue to want to waste their money on such things like "nitro" (absolute manchild if you do this, seriously)
>>109164931NONCE!!!
>>109165900>wants a persistent historyno ever needs this
>>109164713Mobile apps only matter to the children shitting up this board with daily tech support threads for their vibecoded youtube frontend app not working.
>>109168163Only autistic people use that shit
every shitty discord alternative lacks push-to-talk. ptt or extremely strict mute discipline is a hard requirement from me, I don't want to hear you mouthbreathing or begging your mom for tendies or your shitty goybox tv blaring in the background. I tolerate pisscord but if they pull this ID shit I'm moving everyone to mumble again, and the pseudo-social media retard meme posting can stuff it.
Can still get my furry porn on matrix too!
>>109158485All the alternatives are either dead or used exclusively by criminals
>>109170647>discord>not used by a shit ton of groomers
>>109158485>discord implements age verification >zoomers do a mass exodus to based applications like IRC Renaissance soon
>>109171285the monkey's paw curls
>>109170647>or used exclusively by criminalsSo Discord?
>>109159532Literally shit clients.Not a single client even matches up to Weechat in terms of usability.The visual clients all are tremendously ass.If this had a decent client/server with one (read: 1) standard then XMPP would be usable.At least IRC only has IRCv3 as a divergence.XMPP has a million microtoggles, which is retarded.Not even real standards micronate like that.Dogshit, will never be usable. Matrix will steal the market share despite being shit.encryption is a larp and you should feel bad.
>>109170647yeah most people who use alternatives to main services are those who got kicked off them. look at voat, lemmy, bluesky. the initial crowd is gonna be shit and dead outside of a few schizophrenics. it's gonna take people moving their closed off social circles over.>>109172360i'll get using ircv3 when i start using bittorrent v2 and ipv6 and the million other new "better" versions of old protocols that are long past their prime. unless you can offer a client that throws all the technical details into a black box and just lets people register and chat with rich text and multimedia, it won't go anywhere. people will be filtered by nickserv.
>>109172360>XMPP has a million microtoggles, which is retarded.XMPP has different grades which includes bundles of standards your supposed to support, you can look them up on the website.Also XMPP is a whatsapp replacement rather than a discrapp replacement it has all of whatsapps features including arguably better MUC support.>The visual clients all are tremendously ass.True>If this had a decent serverProsody is the defacto server and its very good, you can use ejabberd if your enterprise>Dogshit, will never be usable. Matrix will steal the market share despite being shit.XMPP has been usable and just werks for over 2 decades while you still need 16gb to run a buggy matrix server
>>109158485>Mass Boycott DiscordI never used discord to begin with, you stupid fucking apes will keep using it though because it was a shitheap before age verification and you still used it. Fuck you.
>>109171285Irc is trash, stop mentioning it.
>>109172506>ircv3honestly it's just better> multiline extensionfine but not required or amazingly different> saslliterally godlike feature, makes signing in easy peasy once setup.> message history on joingood for newfags and disconnected niggas> ergo supports inline bouncergreat, excellent.> other shitI'm sure there are other things but ircv3 basically boils down to these small changes that are excellent. sasl, message histories, inline bouncers are great features.ipv6 is objectively better, however it should of been 64 bit. ipv8 should've been ipv4 really.bittorrent v2, literally never heard of that actually. I just use qbittorrent and trust science.also, just to note that xmpp/irc can basically bridge perfectly besides voip stuff.multimedia on all irc is just links, can't get better than that :)> irc filters niggersthat's a good thing>>109172980I would use XMPP, under the singular condition that there was a single good client. The servers for it I've touched are OK, ejabberd and prosody work great though they require some reading, which is expected and fine.The only people who I could find who knew anything about XMPP though were gopher trannies. Which I believe covers the existing market share significantly.> martrix is shitno shit> """"usable"""technically usable, the clients have and will be ass.Especially the mobile clients.XMPP could be the best, it's just a matter of deshittifying the clients. my complaints otherwise are pedantary.I would rather just use IRC if I'm already nuking my realistic market share.
Most people I know are pretty much on the fence still, every other platform is either self hosted that ads cost and complication, regressing on features they are used to or still needs time to cook. I think most of them will be happy to switch if one of the upcoming platforms feels ready (and if everyone else is moving there too)
you guys are still using discord?lol
>>109173083IRC is based
>>109163413When? What's taking so long?
>>109173566Matrix fell into the same trap that xmpp fell into over a decade ago. They bloated the protocol.XMPP has not five (?) different standards for E2EE. Meanwhile Matrix has authorization bullshit bloat and then ended up with single-sign-on anyway.When matrix added threads, everyone was like "wooow, this will be awesome :D", meanwhile nowadays i wish they would have never done that.All of this adds up, and clients have to implement it. How many thousands of hours will hobby developers have wasted by implementing some matrix or xmpp stuff that later turned out to be bad or unused?But none of this is related to Discord. Discord is much worse, convoluted and just badly made. Arguing "i will stay with discord because developing a client for matrix is getting hard" would be dishonest cope.Just pointing that out, because some discord troon would otherwise immediately jump on this, to try to bait people to stay on his pedophile platform.
>>109173939>What's taking so long?This is very good for Meta but TERRIBLE for other larger entities who have more money and power than Meta.Think of it like this, you're Discord and you now have to ID and track every user on your platform and put a face to their posts, and then you have to filter out the kids. What do you gain from this? Likewise, you gain so much more putting that money into politicians to primary out the existing ones that want to pass it. Which is where the real hangup for Meta is coming in: This is an Election Year and all politicians know this is unpopular as fuck. It used to be that Social Media sites were FIGHTING to keep this legislation coming to the internet, until Meta decided to just fund wholesale all of it passing but putting a little star that keeps Meta from having to do anything.
>>109173954discord is the gayest shit imaginable.literally any other platform is preferable just to avoid discord only niggers.
facebook, instagram, discord, etc, all normie social media ruined internet
>>109165593IRC is missing so many features compared to Discord, no wonder only greybeards are still using it.
>>109159030oh shut the fuck up grandpa>noooo I can't control what everyone says anymore!!forums are and always will be dogshit culture wise
>>109166480herpes?
>>109173083kys. IRC is based.
>>109176021All you need is plain text.
>>109176051Newfaggot.
>>109176051Forums are indexable. I don't have to give someone my phone number and join a private server to read a forum. I can't get banned from reading a forum.
>>109176051>implying Discord doesn't have power hungry mods
>>109161968It's just pedophiles trying to divert attention from their own wrong doing. It's the classic "why me when X is doing the same thing".
