>>109158662
Dont

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>>109158662
Why though?

>>109158662
problem with CS is the amount of people getting into it, only because it was the get rich quick scheme for many years.
if you actually care, it's not as much of a problem. but if there's some other engineering discipline you can get into and like, i'd do that instead.
also depends on your local job market off course. if it's not saturated by people with college degrees then it's unlikely to really matter.

>>109158662
It's okay bro. Just stop and breathe. There's still time to bail and fix this.
I cannot believe I'm recommending this, but - switch over to graphic design. For real. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for vibecoding right now is frontends - the clankers simply cannot make a good-looking homepage or advertisement or whatever. They all copy each other and it comes out samey. Get into graphic design. Learn CSS...or whatever new tech has evolved since I paid attention in 2015. Design frontends. Design web pages for companies so they don't all look like Claude did it. Bail, dude. It's not too late.

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> I'm studying computer science in 2026

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>>109158766
But who is saturating the market?

>>109158754
KEK

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>>109158777
Don't, bro. He's having a moment of clarity. Let him realize he's a snailcat on his own. He can be buffcat if he wants.

>>109158781
it's not muh indians no, it's literally everyone.
and yes my point is what most of these graduates are going to be low quality and not care as much. it's why you see all the
>I can't get a job as a CS graduate, it's literally impossible.
even though i see retards getting jobs all the time. they're (extremely) failed retards and their first instinct is to cry about it online. the internet is full of inept losers.

>>109158662
good luck OP

>>109158801
Phewwww lads look at the demoralization. See how they do it? You're the problem, not them right? It's wild when you learn to spot it. They really want you broken lol

>>109158813
>you're the problem, not them
yes. the jews aren't preventing you from talking to women and getting a job.

>>109158818
Why did you bring up jews? I didn't say jews.

>>109158821
antisemitic schizo website

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>>109158818
"A certain group of people"? Whoever you thought in your racist, racist mind? And you came up with the jews? Why?

not sure if i'd go into this field right now, unless u actually like CS. But eh, fuck knows what will happen in 4 years. AI didnt replace the engineering part yet, just typing out common code.
If they somehow do it ur fucked (and probably all tech jobs too, but i doubt llms can reach this level inherently), if they don't, there will probably be another wave of softdev jobs growth after market normalizes. That's often how increased productivity influences industry, there's a name for this paradox can't remember what.

>>109158832
This guy makes a good point - transition to hardware, if you're not already. Software is fucked for the foreseeable future. But you can still build computers. For now.

>>109158662
Same, but only because I already have an engineering job and just need a degree for a pay bump.

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>>109158798
Ok I’m gonna let him cook

>>109158891
[spoiler]You don't actually need the degree for the pay bump. It's decorative. Your performance matters so much more.[/spoiler]

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>>109158902
You know we always eating good

it's still a better major than businessm honestly. i still get tech sales interviews easily, but I don't have the personality for it. CS is the new business degree but better.

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>>109158754
OP here, I know where you got that image from because it belonged to a post I previously made on this board. I prompted AI to generate that image and yet I'm still studying computer science.

>>109158905
Nah, I'm literally stonewalled by HR because I don't have a degree. I've pretty much been told flat out that I can't get an engineer's salary without a degree.

>>109158756
>Why though?
Because I'm interested in doing game development someday at a game company someday and game development is software engineering. But now things are different and uncertain, I'm still considering the possibility of switching my major to EE as a backup if SWE doesn't work, however I figured that regardless of how shit the job market is, the only thing that really matters are yourcskills, and thus thet gives me a justified reason to keep studying CS.

Or maybe I'm just coping and I will end up permanently unemployed when I graduate 3-4 years later just like other recent CS graduates.

>>109158943
Whoa that's wild bro it's a real shame there's only one company on Earth to work for I hope it goes okay for you

>>109158946
>But now things are different and uncertain
Bro you literally said it. All the game companies are using AI now, whether they admit it or not. Meanwhile, John Doe at home now has the power to make simple games himself, and soon he'll be prompting full 3D games. Where do you position yourself in game development in the next 5 years, knowing that? Are you at least using Codex/Claude Code by now? If you aren't...ding fries are done ding fries are done

>>109158909
Bosnian kino

>>109158948
Thanks bro, I appreciate the concern.

>>109158662
If you really enjoy it do it. Theres nothing more rewarding that doing something you love for money.
If you're in it for a paycheck you're ngmi

>>109158980
No one is gonna hire him lol. Aigods won

>>109158986
A university education is its own reward

>>109159006
Only if you’re trans

Make as many friends as possible, push for Masters, and don't do anything but military or cy-sec, preferably both

>>109159006
The university told you that, huh? Just like the car dealership says you should only get service at the dealership...

>>109159055
>push for Masters
Yeah dawg waste another 4 years in the cozy school bubble, you don't want to leave right? Listen we'll handle all the AI shit on the outside, you stay in the perpetual-student lifestyle studying the physics of bits, bytes, and boots. We got this.

>>109159064
>t. uneducated lummox
It's 4 for the degree, 1.5 for the masters, 2-4 for the doctorate.

god i wish i was back in college. to get those years back. you've got life on a string. don't waste this precious time. it goes so fast.

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>>109158980
this anon is right

>>109158662
I'm studying engineering (electrical engineering major) in 2026

>>109158946
Seriously, what pushes people towards game dev? Idgi, that industry seems like total hellscape. 95% of games flop. Just make an indie game in your spare time, for fun, if you want to create something.

I am 29 and going back to school for engineering physics (meme degree) but idc

I dropped out of computer science and studied fashion product design instead. I can make cool shit now but I didn't need to study this. I basically self taught myself everything- staff were useless. Now I regret not staying in CS because It would've challenged me.

Fashion school was 80% dumb bitches, 10% gays, 5% man-whore players & 5% normal guys.

Help me feel better bros... I recently graduated and can't get even an interview in design or sys admin...

>>109158662
Based so am I

>>109159767
cs degree is one of the most underemployed and unemployed degrees right now
theres no jobs unless you know somebody or get incredibly lucky

anyone enrolling in cs in the last few years is a complete dumbass

>>109158662
If you're actually good at it then understand there will be a major techboom soon. Big Tech is developing a lot of initiatives to exchange public-private employees and create bridges for them to find roles. The LLMs have only enabled developers who know what they're doing to get more work done faster, but retards still produce absolute garbage. Software Engineering isn't about writing code. You actually want to write less code, make long-term decisions, tradeoffs, architectural decisions, etc. LLMs are not good at decision-making.
Once the AI honeymoon phase wears off and people realize you still need those who know what they're doing, the market will have a sharp correction.

>>109159055
Masters degrees are for idiots who couldnt get jobs out of bachelors, and for foriegners who are idiots who have to trade years of salary and their life just for a visa.

There is no good reason to do a masters in tech. literally anything else would look more impressive on your resume. Even trying and failing at your own start up even if you spend 2 years jerking yourself off.

Going to do a masters because you cant find a job is literal boomer advice.

>>109160978
students and fresh grads are nowhere near good at it. posting hopeful advice like this is harmful to people. doesnt matter how good you are unless you are top 1 or higher percent. who you know and what experience you have is all that matters right now. entry level is easily 20x saturated.
realistic case is no boom and tens of thousands of dollars of unforgivable debt, financially crippling them well into their 30s.

>>109161076
If you joined the industry because you watched a day in the life of a SWE tiktok video or enrolled in a bootcamp to learn [ javascript framework of the week ] then I suggest you fuck off entirely because you are NGMI. I know graduates who aren't the brightest but are still gainfully employed in the tech because they at least bring something to the table. You're still going to need to have connections even if you are good what you do.

>>109161099
>You're still going to need to have connections even if you are good what you do.
you forgot to include this in the original tidbit of advice.

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>>109158930
Why are you studying algorithm mathematics then?

>>109158662
I'm sorry for your loss

Desu i just wanna desk job in general, a middle class income, enough to complete the mortage, pay for future kid expenses, go on trips with my wife and kids. I spend about $900 a year on myself, i really dont have anything at all to buy. Like right now im talking to you guys and listening to the birds chirp while periodically looking at the sky. This is a typical morning for me, and i love it.

>>109158813
This. I didnt even bother reading their response after "not muh indians no" sorry but no one is going to gaslight me on the jeet problem. Theyve completely taken over C-class and management positions, and only hire their own. Its not AI taking muh jobs, its jeets

>>109161076
>now
i mean if they start learning now they'll only graduate after 4 years or maybe 6 if masters. Market normalization might happen before that.
I wouldn't gamble on that tho lol

>>109158801
+62616171 izzat saar
>>109159693
Move slow, snailCHAD

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>>109158801
IZZAT REVOKED SAAR GOOD DAY

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>>109158801
>>109161509

>>109158946
Honestly, if you're in it for the programming, stop right now and switch to EE. Studying CS to learn programming is like studying math just to learn multiplication.

>>109161019
>there's no good reason to do a masters in tech
It makes a difference. It's easier to move up with one. Employers legitimately love gatekeeping behind stupid reasons like "you don't have a masters even though you have 20 years experience"

It's more impactful for actual engineering degrees, not CS however.

>>109158662
Getting a CS degree was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. The job is fucking gay. You have no idea how soul-crushing scrums and daily standups are. There *used* to be perks, like being able to find a decent-paying job anywhere in 5 minutes. Those days are over. There is only misery now.

>>109158766
The new one now that CS got saturated is civil engineering. Half my coworkers are civil engineering students and they are the dumbest motherfuckers Ive ever met and are cruising for 6 figure jobs straight out of college just because they know what a torque spec tolerance is.

>>109161425
i think this is the normal market from now on, or very close to it. the only thing market wise that can improve the situation is if they actually start sending obviously fraudulent h1b home. like 40% of all tech jobs are held by immigrants, most of which are indians. theyre hiring h1b for entry level positions which is absolute fraud.

but even if they sent half of the h1bs home tomorrow theres still a huge oversupply of comp science grads. and there's pretty much no chance they are going to send any meaningful amount of them back.

people will hold on to that "maybe it will be better in 4 years" as a cope hope if you tell them though. people are looking for any excuse to study cs because all the courses are online at most schools and such a high amount of zoomers are lazy antisocial agoraphobes.
some of the cope posts i have seen about enrolling in cs are beyond all reason. including people who say "if i cant get a job programming then i wont work at all" or "ill kill myself if i dont get a job programming... but just in case i dont is there any way i can erase the debt?"
for whatever reason cs is the go-to career for people with extreme mental health issues. even though the career itself is going to require you are very sharp and motivated.

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See you in /utwg/ in 3 to 5 years.

>>109161767
People are saying that EE is next but I don't think any of the people who went to CS for easy money can cut it in EE. The classes get really hard and a lot of people flunked out.

The jobs also require a physical presence and a lot of the industry means you have to go on site, touch hardware, and be out in the hot sun. The types of people who get into CS are allergic to that kind of effort.

>>109158662
Its like studying art in age of photography. You are doing it for your soul, its very brave.

>>109161767
>normal
i only know that removing juniors from market is unsustainable on entire industry as a whole. This will crash in time when more seniors retire than new ones are trained. The knowledge loss (without passing it to new people) alone will fuck em up. While the excess of compsci grads now will just pivot to other jobs.

Tho idk what timescale this will happen, no one can predict when or if. Might happen when all those ipo's cash out on boomer pension funds lol, which is pretty soon. Still tho I'd think twice before going into this field right now.

Just become a doctor or some shit lmao. if ur a tranny tho, just kys.

>>109161809
ive heard some EE people say its not exactly a hot or lucrative market right now. maybe it will be when CHIPS funding starts having an effect.

>>109161853
they arent removing juniors from the market. there is just many times more entry level candidates than there are positions available. swe/test/qa jobs are only like 2.5 million positions in america last i checked. the number of yearly CS grads is almost 100k. BLS had the numbero f jobs created to be around 400k for the entire decade. that was pre covid.

>>109161853
I think CS will be fine in the long term in terms of "being able to find a job", but the jobs will be miserable even if high paying.
You'll be cleaning up years of indian and AI slop code and having to do low level optimization as any gains in hardware have been cancelled out by how shitty and unperformant software is now.

But "doing things faster than our competitors" is always going to be extremely important in the industry. Especially when if you look at finance, drivers, databases, online services, or operating systems

But the easy slack-off all day work is gone.

>>109161880
The market fluctuates but the pay can be average, and it is hard work. You are working harder than most people. You have to earn your pay, and you have to constantly self-study to keep up with new technologies and keep your fundamentals.

A lot of the CS jobs being wiped out were just grind leetcode and ride out a comfy job once you're in. People bitch about it but there was a formula to follow. There isn't really one for EE, you have to do your own research and study.

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>>109161880
lot of job postings are probably fake. There's clearly a trend towards older coders

>>109161374
Sounds peaceful.

>>109161881
>You'll be cleaning up years of indian and AI slop code and having to do low level optimization as any gains in hardware have been cancelled out by how shitty and unperformant software is now.
i already had to do this tho lol. Long before eye aye.

>>109161929
It'll be worse

>>109161374
that world is long gone buddy. it's what boomers had. You will own nothing and slave away at some shit work until your body or mind breaks and they discard you lmao

>>109161916
Yeah i love my area, trees are good for the soul
>>109161963
Well im still gonna pay the house off no matter what

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>>109161992
>Yeah i love my area, trees are good for the soul
Sounds nice, I haven't been outside in a while. I should go for a walk sometime soon

>>109161908
a minor trend on a small set of data on a zoomed in y axis. this doesnt extrapolate to the collapse you are talking about. a lot of it can probably be explained by in network hiring too. everyone knows somebody that knows a grad. unless formal process prevents it, theyre going to give jobs to people in network first.
real job postings that need cold applies would make sense for older coders too. the only people that need cold applies right now need very specific experience and skills.

>>109161933
tbqh when project goes to shit hard enough, it's usually cheaper to rewrite those. Many cases in Brahmin coding.

I've read that there's a boom rn in consultants rewriting startup slop from scratch, since they vibecode hard now (proper usecase btw)

>waaah I'll have to actually be good at my job
why are codejeets like this?

>>109162014
Walking is always good:)

>>109158754
Fast food isn't hiring either. It's beyond over.

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>>109158662
I have a law degree and I'm still unemployed. Do whatever please you, fren.

>>109158662
You are posting facebook frogs in 2026. You dumb son of a bitch.

>>109158798
I want to fuck this creature

>>109158662

I mean I have a few books of that topic in my kindle and REPL but I'm just a math tutor so who knows

>>109162329
That stings worse than calling it reddit frog wow

>>109162279
I have an MIS Degree and I can't get a job flipping burgers
>Says here you have a long history of being unemployed
>Sorry we can't hire you because you have a long history of being unemployed!

I'm doing CS and been in and out of school for 10 years now.

I hate myself.

>>109162965
if you just got over your "depression" or whatever and graduated 6 years ago, you'd be basically insulated from the AI replacing junior devs problem lol

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I'm gonna be doing something similar this winter. I got a bachelors in philosophy and initially I wanted to get a phd and do the whole academia shabang, but I lost interest and the pay/jobs are even worse than current CS. Even my fucking philosophy teachers were openly depressed about their job prospects.
So I'm gonna do a cs master that is oriented towards humanities. Sort of like digital humanities but with much more mathematical and technical emphasis, so it's gonna be pretty tough.
I know cs has become a meme. But I honestly can't think of any other way to get into a solid career path with what I currently got, which is very little experience in anything and a meme degree. I thought about law school but I'm already fucking 26, no way I'm gonna add 5+ years of endless education grind on top of that.
Good luck to you OP. I'm not expecting much out of this, but it's my best shot I think. At the very least a M.Sc. should make it more accessible to work for the state, even though that's far from my dream destination.

>>109163281
I did have "depression", thank you condescending anon

>>109158662
I've been working in tech for the past ten years. I held a position doing CI/CD shit before it was even called CI/CD or automated.

The Indian invasion is real. Some of these people barely speak English and they still get hired while white guys with PhDs are driving Uber.

I know it sounds like a meme but get a trade. Become a plumber or something. Your job will always be in demand because the rest of the guys are too onions to do it themselves. Very few men in the younger generations are doing the jobs that are necessary. AI won't automate plumbing and electrical work. AI won't build you a house.

A buddy of mine sold his pool cleaning business which he worked on for years. Made enough to invest in something else and buy a brand new house.

Even starting a landscaping business can be profitable. No one wants to do these jobs. Let's be honest, none of us are going to be the next Linus Torvalds. None of us are going to be the next Steve Jobs.

Start your own business based on something essential. Don't waste your money on university.

>>109158662
>reddit frog posting op
>op is an absolute retard
Clockwork.
Enjoy your wasted 3+ years learning shit thats severely outdated, and an early adulthood of un(der)employment.

>>109161605
>Honestly, if you're in it for the programming, stop right now and switch to EE. Studying CS to learn programming is like studying math just to learn multiplication.
I'm not interested in EE work though but I'm considering it a possibility if I have no choice and then hopefully switch back to SWE. I'm 25 though so I'm getting old and can't afford to waste time, maybe it's a sunk cost fallacy issue since I've been in community college for 7 years (I lacked motivation and guidance to succeed) but now I'm willing to at least try.

Honestly though, if I were born like 10-15 years earlier, CS would still be a good path for a 25 year old freshman. But a 25 year old freshman studying CS in 2026 is now a gamble. I really don't know what to do at this point. So if I were born earlier I could waste 7 years and still have a good foundation to start from but that doesn't apply for those my age.