Always felt this but can't explain why

Its bacccause intel has 30ns latency on memory while AMD has 90ns

>>109160466
it is their internal scheduler. it is designed to get high fps in video games. that's all it is good for. I run TradingView for day and swing trading, options and leveraging markets. AMD is complete ass at npoint calculations, calculus and trigonometry, floating point graphing, tracking, base mathematics, back tracing, predictive marketing and pretty much everything else. I have some lawfag friends who ALL swear by intel because law software will straight up crash on AMD. AMD simply sucks at ANYTHING robotics and machine related, so any machine shops etc use Intel. Anywhere work and money is required, Intel remains king. This is not a fanboy argument, it is simply a fact of life. So your little AMD CPU gets 4% better FPS in your goislop shooter, woo fucking hoo, I don't play video games all that often, and when I do, it is to pass some time and enjoy myself. If I gotta lower a few settings, which is not a thing I ever do, so be it. Let the hate commence.

I know right? There's something that just feels seriously wrong when using a cpu that wasn't designed in Haifa, Israel

>>109160676
you sound extremely knowledgable and it makes sense that games don't use math

>>109160466
I switched from a 5600X to a 14600K and could not tell any difference in general desktop usage.

>>109160466
It's your mental illness

>>109160466
lying motherfucker, the only time i've ever noticed any stuttering is with intel

>>109160697
Yeah becasue games use gaming math instead of science math

>>109160676
>TradingView
Astrology for moids

>>109160676
this. I 3d print. I use Blender for designing my models. I had a 7800x3d. I recently "upgraded" to a core ultra 7 270k. Blender used to crash nonstop unless I went into the goddamn bios and ran the AMD cpu at stock settings. ANY kind of overclocking on AMD and it would shit itself in confusion. Sometimes, even at stock it would crash. I can't run blender on my steam deck because of this reason. I guess there is an updated version I haven't tried on Linux yet, I have yet to fuck with it or even care. I even underclocked my ram from 6000mt/s to like 5000mt/s, nothing made Blender work properly on AMD. Forget Orca, might as well slam your dick in a car door, it would be less painful than trying to make AMD work.
>oh but I get over 9000fps in half life 2!!!
I don't fucking care if I can't get shit done, same with their dogshit GPUs
>oh buy muh open source drivers
then why the fuck do Intel GPUs work better for the same fucking work related tasks? Why the fuck is AMD shit at everything it does?

>>109160774
>blender on my steam deck
what the fuck

>>109160697
>>109160729
Yeah games use predictable, pre-calculated mathematics. Everything is loaded before you actually play and there are predictable paths. It is like knowing the entire math problem with the mathematics solved for you, and all it has to do is run the code, but for any branching paths, or anything that's outside of a pre-programmed route, AMD shits itself in confusion
>>109160747
retard

>>109160774
>>109160780
see>>109160790
AMD pisses me off because I want there to be a good competitor that's not armshit.

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>>109160466
>mfw its real

>>109160774
Why would you buy an X3D chip for actual work? They're purely made for gayming.

>>109160837
because PCs aren't fucking consoles nigger, they are supposed to be useful for a multitude of tasks. why the fuck is AMD so shit at anything outside of goislop?

>>109160857
The X3D chips are the gayming meme chips. If you do actual work, you're supposed to buy one of the X non 3D chips. Though, Intel is still generally better for actual work, so you still made a good choice going Intel instead.

Those of us with actual funds tried both AMD and Intel and tried the big 3 GPUs.
Intel is better overall for actual cpu bound tasks. Especially for floating point calculations and nbody predictive mapping. This in turn makes it the best for gaming. On AMD you might see more burst FPS but your frame times are going to suffer, and just overall smoothness in vidya works better overall on intel. Streamers get paid to promote a product, so all the streamers gaming on AMD, do so because they are paid to do so. On top of that, they use separate hardware that captures the output and streams to the internet on separate machines. If you just wanna run OBS locally, Intel is actually better. It's not even remotely close for hardware encoding.
Move into GPU land.
Intel is better if you want 'muh open source'
Nvidia is better if you want cuda
and AMD is just shit at everything except possibly again, muh fps for rasterization, but anything RT related which a lot of newer titles now hard require, it shits itself in confusion.

AMD is just shit at everything it does. They are the retards of the PC market and only retards buy anything from AMD.

Damn, wish I bought a 14600K of 14700K when I had the chance

>>109160982
I just want to add, intel gpus are great for av1, and video editing with an intel cpu, just makes exporting videos a snap. Streaming and mid range gaming? Even the 9070 XT struggles running OBS, whereas the arc gpus outclass it. Wanna run AI and local models? Nvidia is the go to, however, the intel ARC GPUs work better than AMD. AMD comes in dead last for everything except benchmarking video games. Who the fuck sits and runs benchmarks everyday outside of Linus Dick Tips?

>>109160466
Set your monitor to 144hz

>>109160719
What illness, Seymour?

my 10900k on a 120hz refresh rate display feels just as or slightly snappier than my 9800x3d on a 360hz display
amd never again

>>109160676
nonsense
all computing logic is part of architecture which in case of x84-64 is amd64 for both intel and amd cpus

Intel is faster it has more mhz and GBs

>>109161009
It's a really good CPU.
>muh rusting issues
it only affected a small batch of them and they got patched ages ago. I am still running my i7 14700k I got at launch when I upgraded it from an i9 9900k machine. I have been eyeing the core ultra CPUs, but they offer me little in the need to upgrade just yet. They really are the best CPUs money can buy. My buddy has a core ultra 7 265k and he says he loves it. I like the memory latency on 14th gen. If memory serves correctly the 265k is like 10% faster for certain tasks. I don't need it just yet to make it worth getting a new motherboard and cpu, though I might upgrade if the price is right on the used market. I know every so often I see retards "upgrading" to AMD on FB Marketplace selling core ultra motherboard and cpu combos, so if I upgrade and you are near Corning NY, I might cut you a deal on a CPU and asrock motherboard, sans DDR5 and SSD, you will need to provide that, like on Friday when I get paid.

>>109161045
and yet everyone disagrees with you because the numbers simply don't lie

>>109161067
Just wait for Nova Lake.

>>109161009
12900k (launch avx512 edition) and maybe the 273pqe with a bios mod are the last good intel cpus

>>109160676
>I have some lawfag friends who ALL swear by intel because law software will straight up crash on AMD.
50₪ have been deposited to your account. Good work Shlomo.

>>109161080
*nods*
that's what I have been doing. I have enough ram for now, 32gb 6000mt/s. I can easily move that forward. Gen4 nvme is fast enough I guess. the leaks look sick and I can't wait. gunna be a nice little launch, intel gunna flex and make amd piss babies cry when intel once again takes the fps crown.

>>109160466
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1tjqdzc/input_lag_on_every_amd_configuration_ive_tried/
>On every single system, the moment I enable EXPO/XMP and run the RAM at 6000MHz, CS2 becomes almost unplayable. The mouse feels heavy and delayed, spray control feels inconsistent, shots feel delayed, movement feels sluggish, and it constantly feels like everyone is prefiring me before I can react. The entire game feels “slow” and “dragged down”.
>I’ve already tried basically everything: Increasing/decreasing VSOC, Tuning CCD/IOD voltages, Increasing/decreasing DRAM voltage, Buildzoid timings, Multiple monitors, mice, keyboards, etc. Even with a 400Hz monitor and several different mice, the game never feels truly consistent. The higher the RAM frequency, the worse the feeling becomes. The ONLY thing that consistently helps is lowering RAM frequency/FCLK or running full JEDEC settings. In fact, the game feels best when the RAM is completely stock JEDEC.
>I’ve also seen a lot of Reddit posts from Ryzen users describing the exact same issue after enabling EXPO, so it doesn’t seem like I’m the only one experiencing this.
I'm guessing we saw the same thread

oy vey, is this the anti-amd reverse pogrom bread

>>109161089
just call me a kike, you don't need to dance around racism here. my race has nothing to do with the actual facts of the conversation here. I want AMD to be good, they simply aren't. Because despite what you believe, competition in the market is a good thing. I swear to G-d AMD is scared of success. Like they get just ever so close to the finish line then sit down and go "nope this is good enough for me I am going to sit and eat some ice cream" and everyone else passes them by. They use the same dirty tricks like brute forcing performance by adding cache and loading it up with more and better technology than intel, but their software, the actual minix OS that runs the actual cpu and gpu, is total ass. I don't get why they don't take the open source released white papers from Intel and actually attempts at making a better CPU. They could do this today and release it as a firmware update and their shit would probably stomp intel and nvidia into the dirt. They refuse. It is infuriating.
*drops mic*
seacrest out

>>109160774
Intel drivers are also open source

Shit all this time i was settled on buying an amd cpu (i want to build a gaming pc and also get into blender and do other cool techy shit). Are you guys saying i should just buy intel now? (I would keep the build for at least 6 years before you mention the motherboard sockets or whatever).
t. Consolefag

I believe it

>>109161143
>Intel ME
>AMD PSP
They are both shit.
Long live Power9!

>>109160829
it is fuck amd

>>109161168
millions of people still use AMD nigga. even if all of this was 100% true, it's not enough to completely write off AMD. I posted >>109161102 but still bought the 5500X3D

>>109161168
I don't care what you buy, at this point, if you are going to be a retard and argue against reality, sure buy whatever you want. AMD is popular and will get you popularity points on x and reddit, but if you want to actually enjoy using your computer, intel is the way to go. AMD is just headache after headache. Anyone who argues otherwise just enjoys arguing and fighting. Same with the retards who argue against bazzite.
>what distro should I use
bazzite
>what about cachy
then use it, oh wait the updates broke things again? man bazzite just works bro. Debian sid updates broke full screen video? Fedora KDE Plasma updates broke video? Bazzite just continues to just work. can't help ya. Or just use Windows 11 LTSC or get over the fact that it's spying, and use one of the many tools to debloat it, but people seem to hate solutions. They want to continue to argue and argue and argue despite being wrong all the time. You do you. Imma do me. I don't like friction in my life.

every action you do has to go through the soc or fclk. intel cores dont have either.

>>109161102
>link
that guy is 100% right wth
setting my ram OC from 6000cl26 bz timings down to 4800cl40 jedec got rid of all the high FPS frequent stutters I previously had in deep rock galactic
now it feels much more like my old 13900ks did

>>109161213
millions of people drink soda and eat fast food, they surely can't be wrong about their health.

>>109161168
Intel is much cheaper and better now as long as you can cool them.

>>109161241
imagine having to underclock your ram just to get the same performance as a 4 year old intel cpu... this is why I will never touch amd ever again.
>why is everyone laughing at us
>they must be jewish!

its especially bad with dual ccx cpus on amd. if all 8 cores on one ccx gets full, it has to go talk to the other ccx and its slow as fuck doing it.

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>>109161249
just get a 360 aio

>>109161274
yeah I think newegg even gives out 240-360 rads for free for buying intel now.

>>109161252
yeah amd is ass, i already miss my old intel cpus despite their high power draw problems
it sucks that they added cuck cores to their desktop chips which screwed up how consistent their cpus used to be

>>109160466
they don't
your "feelings" are Jewish propaganda

>>109161264
That's why you should disable one ccd when you're trying to reach the best performance in fps shooters.
>>109161241
It may be to do with memory correction. Your system may be slightly unstable, but not at a level to be crashing. You can try increasing SOC voltage.

Intel's marketing team really did a number with this one

>>109161249
intel hasn't been cheaper of better for almost two decades. if it weren't for corporate cartel with the likes of hp or dell it would've gone bust a long time ago

>>109160466
Take your meds or learn to overclock, or use a proper cpu scheduler or check that your mouse is using cpu usb port and not chipset

>>109161287
The core ultra ones are really good but I’m waiting for 300 before upgrading. If they’re as good as the leaks say, I’ll get one, if not I’ll get a 200 series and call it a day. The 13 and 14 gen ones are fine. I’ve never had any issues with the cuck cores outside of a few games. Disabling the cuck cores made the games run fine, mods and patches came for the games and the issues went away over time. Short lived issues nobody really cared about outside of a few forums where people like to argue over shit they can’t actually afford.

It's a good thing Intel gave up on any serious non mobileshit CPUs so AMD can take its rightful throne in high performance CPU

>>109161301
>memory correction
fx cpus would lose performance before starting crashing when your vcore was too low. caused by L2 cache memory correcting. many-many people slap a massive undervolt on the cpu with 0 stability testing.

>>109161308
for same price as 9800x3d at microcenter you can get 285k. 24 cores > 8 cores.

>>109161079
>the numbers simply don't lie

Where are these numbers so that I can see them?

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>>109160466
AMD glued CPUs together so it lags.

but i think this problem exists on the 5800x3d, but not on the 9800x3d

>>109161326
Even if it had a hundred estrogen cores it wouldn't matter.

>>109161102
this is what happens when you dont have ryzen ram. put in manual timings

>>109161338
the 285k shits all over the 9800x3d its no contest. 9800x3d lags loading long 4chan sticky, intel doesnt.

I was going to get a 24 core X3D Ryzen 6 CPU next year, but seems like AMD's memory controller and IO management are that bad
Looks like I'll be sticking with my 14600k and seeing how Nova Lake turns out

>>109161326
I’ll trade 24 weak ass cores for 8 real cores all day long bro. I don’t want to wait for my videos to finish exporting. I got shit to do.

>>109161345
Nice try kike

>>109161348
Always wait and see and buy second run. Never buy first run chips. I don’t care what you’re a fan of. Intel is better regardless of what faggots like to argue over. It is what it is.

>>109161349
>>109161354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3mfaU6u-w

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intel is better than amd

>>109161360
Who's that faggot?

>>109161354
Wake me up when amd learns how to do math and robotics, until then imma buy intel.

>>109161360
It’s like when you get past a certain age, facts matter and opinions don’t.

Fuck your fake frames, intel is simply better. Everyone who says otherwise is a poorfag who watches linus race traitor dick tips. The bitch can’t even run Linux properly and you still gargle his balls over amd. Fuck off.

AMD is better f**k yo

>>109161326
>>109161345
The 270K Plus is better.

Intel is dead and burried, they're fucking gone.
Deal with it
Deal with it
Deal with it

>>109161357
The last AMD CPU I had was 20 years ago and it was awesome, but Intel has been better ever since, that's a fact.
My impression is that AMD just about caught up with Ryzen 5 and next gen was set to take back the throne, but these latency issues are very concerning.
I can see the difference between very high refresh rate screens, I'm very sensitive to stutters, have extremely fast reflexes and have hyperfocus. I really wanted to get away from the hybrid CPU architecture but I'm not going to gamble having shit usability, so yeah, after both Intel & AMD releases I'll do my research.
Does any latency schizo here have sources they trust so I can take a look?

>be me, poorfag with a rich friend
>spends my money on a 7800x3d so I don't have to keep relying on his old used PCs
>get AMD 7800xt, feels good
>uses Linux cuz fuck Windows
>KrashDE krashes nonstop, stuck with gnome
>richfag friend grants me his old 13900k with arc B580 12gb for free
>install Linux over Windows 11 because puke, decide to give KrashDE a try
>everything just works, smooth as butter, give it time, KrashDE keeps just werking
fuck gaymd

>>109160676
>I have some lawfag friends who ALL swear by intel because law software will straight up crash on AMD
even if this is true, its a bug in the software. Not AMD's fault

>>109160466
I got memed into 7700x and it's super fucking dogshit when it comes to audio latency, can't play osu. Not happy with idle power usage also. Intel maybe on a downturn but they didn't skim of the basics.

>>109161496
Who cares when the results speak for themselves? Nobody cares if it’s a bug in the software. It will never get fixed.

>>109161366
>>109161375
AMD is worse than Intel now.

>>109161518
Oh yeah? No it isn't

>>109161518
And it’s sad. I want amd to compete. They choose to be garbage.

>>109161527
Boot into Linux with kde plasma 6.7.1. Go ahead. Works on my machine.

If what y'all saying is true WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

>>109161534
>>109161534
I'm on 6.4.2 I don't run arch btw

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>>109160499
same its why i swear off amd for good. cant explain why intel+nvidia is the god tier combo but it just feels like it.

This thread is filled with bots

>>109161527
AMD is charging 24 core money for 8 cores

>>109161556
Oh shut up you dramatic faggot. 8core CPUS under $1000 would not even be a thing without AMD, and they are pushing the bar further to make 12c/24t their standard top SKU

>>109160790
You are talking a load of bollocks
t. game dev

>>109161556
24 estrogen cores lmao no thanks

>>109161357
Intel's first run chips are often better than later runs
9900k P0 - no forced hardware mitigations and fully working TSX
10900K early batches - better bins on average, lots of golden chips
11900K early batches - more consistently lower vcore and power draw
12900K early batches - Working avx512

>>109161067
You sound 1 to 1 like the shill running "userbenchmark.com"...

>>109161045
retard

>>109161518
>now
always has been chud, yall just sit on LTT's dick
>muh benchmarks
life isn't a fucking benchmark

>>109161684
or, and hear me out, people like me with money have actually tested this shit in production and AMD fails every fucking time, life is more than video games neet.

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mental illness in action itt
scary stuff

>>109161844
I am not a gamer and so far I have only used Intel cpus in a few years old office tier pcs...
But I doubt that a delay in the 50ns area is noticeable.

>>109161897
This site has been filled with crap like this ever since they removed the IP counter

>>109160829
>words words words
>not a single graph, measurement, number or anything
how much is the trump gov paying you shillomos

>>109161360
>difference of over 1000 points
holy fucking shit, how is AMD this bad?

>>109162047
it's not just memory latency, as previously discussed, npoint mapping, floating point mathematics, better on die scheduling, etc all make intel the better pick and people are just now beginning to come back to Intel after linus dick tips even had to admit to Intel being the better cpu. It's almost like all the software was designed for Intel and AMD can't compete because they refuse to use Intel's open source white pages for some unknown reason, it's not even gpl, it's fucking BSD cuck license. Even with all this, AMD STILL is this shit? How do you fuck up this badly if not on purpose?

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>>109162214
here's your numbers faggot
better luck next time, hey no hard feelings, AMD is just shit

I feel like the people who complain about which cpu is better don't have either of the higher end models from amd or intel.

>>109160676
Lol intelaviv getting desperate

Absolute crapware, die out you ugly ratface

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Wait, are you trolling or do people actually believe this shit?

>>109161168
I had an AMD + AMD PC from 2018 to 2025. Crashes were a regularity right from the first year, and I just got used to it as a fact of life. Got a new PC in December 2025, Intel + Nvidia. Not a single crash since then. Smoothest PC I ever had. That settled it, for me.

>>109161349
The 8 P-cores are more powerful than AMD cores

>>109162485
LMAO
You're so cute

I have always been Intel and moved from a 2600k to 14900k. First 14900k was defective but its replacement has been great. Been pretty happy with it and EVGA 3090ti.

>>109162569
The numbers don't lie.

>>109162653
intel needs a 2 node advantage to barely compete with Zen 5.

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>>109162468
Evidence provided:
>One (1) anecdote
Well that settles it.

>>109162614
Newfag much?

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>>109160879
Isn't cache optimization like THE thing you do when you need to crunch fuck you amounts of numbers? I thought having a lot of it will inherently be useful for compute intensive shit, no?

>>109160676
this is completely retarded and word salad nonsense. yeah ryzen will crash freeze linux at times, but it's more a linux fault really. amdgpu has had paging crashes for half the year of certain updates. amd stuff will crash once every few days at the moment, but it's an os problem.

>>109162711
L3 Cache is not as helpful as you'd think. L1/2 are more important for pure number work, but more workers overall is still going to btfo an extra 64MB of cache.

>>109162711
None of your homosexual retard video games are compiles to be cache efficient. You want a cache loop look at SuperPI.
>>109162753
L3 is either write back or write through, and is vitally important before hitting DRAM which is a full magnitude slower.

>>109162782
Downy from tel aviv

>>109162801
You are painfully retarded. I believe Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state and they should have been systematically fire bombed down to the last little inbred mutant child for their attack on the USS Liberty.

>>109162261
>nvidiabenchmark.com
>no real game data, synthetic numbers
you are the goyest goy, not my problem

>>109162672
Yes, you should lead your life according to your own experiences. That's how you learn to not make mistakes.

Intel aviv amdip marketing thread
Do not interact with these ding dongs
>>109160676
>>109160774
>>109160790
>>109160982
Those are pure misinformation, you can have 10000ns memory latency and it is not going to affect input latency unless your frametimes are negatively affected, those are delusions
USB doesn't have input latency problems even when you use hubs, it may have jitter problems but that is traditionally fixed by ensuring one port per channel and not using hubs.(this lay be why you felt better consistency with pci usb cards if your motherboard is poop)
AMD's floating point cores are leagues ahead of Intel, intel in fact intentionally temporarily powers down the chip during integer to avx transitions because else it crashes meanwhile AMD's zen 5 are the only ones to have cores that can do up to 2048 bits worth of floating point ops simultaneously in AVX512 when you execute separate add/sub and multiplications
This info comes from ycruncher's dev, btw.
Amd doesn't crash unless your mobo is anus or assrock, my 14900k(i used to believe amdip techuber schizo memes) didn't last a day before the crashes occured, second one lasted one week of gaming...
>>109161067
This is a falsity, everytime when someone on the steam forums ocmplains about crashes and gets angry it's because they have these piece of shit scamtel raptor kek cpu that degraded just enough to reliably crash games when you attempt to perform a specific action in the game psyoping you into thinking its the game's fault and not the shitty suicide bomber cpu

>>109162915
Forgot to mention the jews at intel can't even implement their own instructions correcly and they had put avx512 in 11th gen(well it wasn't even real avx512 just emulated by fusioning 2x256bit) then tried to remove it from 12th gen onward like the greedy fucks they are
If you support intlel after this bullshit you are officially a clay turbogolem who will probably suck any corpo marketing bullshit and ask to get deepthroated harder

>>109162915
>>109162943
Also forgot to clarify zen4 and zen5 can both do 4 floating point ops simultaneously if its 2addsub and 2 mul, no matter if scalar or vector(avc512 is more efficient obviously)
Read more here: https://www.numberworld.org/blogs/2024_8_7_zen5_avx512_teardown/

Yeah, amd has this icky feel compared to apple.

>>109162915
>you can have 10000ns memory latency and it is not going to affect input latency unless your frametimes are negatively affected
true
>AMD's floating point cores are leagues ahead of Intel
true
>my 14900k(i used to believe amdip techuber schizo memes) didn't last a day before the crashes occured, second one lasted one week of gaming
lol you never owned one of those

i like playing rhythm games and this is seriously making me consider intel aviv

>>109164967
It's a fabrication though. And if you care the audio latency on Linux is lower as osu players found out way too late

>>109165278
i am on linux on rt kernel with audio interface, non composited desktop, low quant pipewire setup and fifo scheduling on pipewire and i used to use a crt

>>109165414
Have you measured this or is it feels

>>109165428
amd CCX design and especially x3d scheduler and newer E+P cores on intel have additional latency i'd never claim it's perceivable but accuracy and real time timing suffers
it's been measured though i thikn it was hardware canucks
i'm thinking of making a custom PCB with overkill controller for my keyboard i think it'd make a 10x bigger difference

>>109162214
If you use EXPO/XMP or manually OC RAM you can actually get effects like that. It's down to luck whether your hardware is capable of perfectly running your OC or not.
For example, on my Zen 5 system if I enable EXPO at 6000MHz I get a performance regression because RAM isn't stable (it does pass memtest86 though.) I could probably get it stable at higher voltages, but I'm not into that.

>>109160829
That is what mental illness looks like.

>>109160466
The actual answer is much more nuanced, but suffice to say that end-user will not notice a difference on modern platforms on most use cases.
Kiddies really have no clue what the era of single-core CPUs with off-die memory and controller logic were actual like.

>>109161102
>Retard does memory overclocking, their clearly motherboard doesn't like it. They cry about it.
EXPO/XMP were a mistake.

>>109161332
Intel started using titles starting with Arrow Lake and will continue this path. The era of monolithic x86 desktop SKUs is over.

>>109161213
>he boughtdened a 55003XD instead of a 5700x just to get 10 more fps in gayman
certified brown moment

>>109160466
>Why do AMD CPUs have much worse latency than Intel?
Why are you making shit up?

Brandwarriors are all mentally incompetent.

>>109160466
Can you? Can you really?

>>109162833
rofl just lmao
it's joever, amd users on suicide watch

>>109162915
I have had this cpu since launch and it has never once crashed on me

>>109160466
>>109160676
There's a reason Apple dumped intel aviv.

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>>109166001
>asks for numbers
>gets given numbers
>n-n-no those don't c-c-count
every fucking time

>>109166045
cuz apple are retards who make products for itoddlers? what's it like being this retarded?

>>109166047
Were these numbers posted outside of your head, brandwhore? The origin of your marching orders is showing, and /qa/ lost.

>>109160676
>fp operations will be different on amd than intel but uhhh i cant prove it
?
>anywhere work is required uhh intel
every datacenter uses epyc now
>amdcpu fps in le games
cpu wouldn't affect his
>blender doesnt work on steamdeck (?)
this just isnt true
>orcaslicer doesn't work on steamdeck
this just isnt true
>something something game math is all precalculated
just not true
>something something branch prediction
amd has had a better branch predictor than intel for like 6 years now, they even switched to dual block branch prediction for zen5

delusional sourgrapes who doesn't know how a cpu works. the new xeon platinums are pretty great but the consumer stuff had a like 6 year period where it was just skylake being mutilated further and further. the new generation intel and especially the laptop chips are excellent tho, shame about ram prices

>>109166263
and yet all the benchmarks say intel is dominating, cry harder, it's funny.

>>109161135
If you were talking exclusively about their GPUs I'd believe you but they've been running circles around Intel and their self-destructing estrogen cores since Zen2.

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>>109160466
works on my machine. seems like a skill issue for you.

>>109160466
Which ones? I'm typing this on an HX370 and it feels as snappy as anything else.

>>109160466
>war is peace
>freedom is slavery
>amd has more latency than intel

>>109161168
This is a shill thread, all pure revisionism and bullshit. Intel platforms starting with alderlake feel unresponsive and shitty even in the operating system compared to AMD because intel changed a lot and fucked up the IO when they made P and E core CPUs, you can find videos demonstrating it, people complained about this, you can't even copy files around your drive as fast as AMD platforms do it.
Some counterstrike child selled his wife for a ryzen and is seething that he sucks at the game basically, that is the entire basis of the claims ITT, the rest is bullshit, I've had my problems with ryzen, fucking ASUS motherboard fried my shit, that's what I get for being an early adopter I guess.
>>109161495
>ryzen 5 3600 + 6700xt
>"krashde" just werks for years
>arch hasn't broken itself for 3 years
>worst bug is the filepicker sidebar started vibing in 6.7 it literally gets bigger by like 2px for a sec and goes back and forth its funny but it all works perfectly and /g/tards told me kde 6.7 will break everything and it didnt
NEVER LISTEN TO /g/aytrannies EVER!!!! Always the opposite of what you read on /g/ is true! That or I have extraordinary luck with these things.

>>109160466
AMD has much lower inter CCX latency but has high between CCX latency.
Unless your process is split between CCXes you won't feel a thing.

>>109161301
>It may be to do with memory correction. Your system may be slightly unstable, but not at a level to be crashing.
I had that thought immediately. Signal integrity has become a real bitch with DDR5.
Would it be too fucking hard for AMD to implement software indication for this? Did they never think of this? Are gamersoys fucking retarded?(yes)
>>109161348
>seems like AMD's memory controller and IO management are that bad
Intel is literally no good with IO anymore either. If you want the best IO latency you buy a fucking X58 Xeon. Those are really fucking good on input lag for some reason.

>>109160466
bro is still living in ryzen 2 era

>>109160790
oh is this why intel made 7ghz 50 stage pipeline chips 20 years ago?
no wait they canned that and made conroe

>>109160466
There's cope.
There's hypercope.
There's YOTLD-tier terminal hyper-cope.
Then there's this.

>>109167270
Yeah there's cope for AMD retards that spent 24 core money on 8 cores.

>>109167160
9800x3d is more laggy than Intel 12th gen

>>109160499
Because AMD has inherently flawed CPU architecture.

>>109160676
Everyone runs memory way out of spec for the AMD memory controller and the constant memory errors is disastrous on the stability. I think it's like 5600 for dual stick and 3200 for quad sticks or something like that on their newest stuff.

>>109160829
>hard to measure click to photon
>felt worse
>can't quantify
This man is delusional or a shill. Take him to the infirmary.

Just ordered an intel 250k plus

>>109160466
They don't, you're just delusional.

I bought intel as my first DDR5 platform now because i'm just fucking bored of AMD, get out of my sight. I'm bored of X3D and i'm bored of their lineups. I used AMD before it was cool and will now be using Intel again before that's cool

>>109167825
A contrarian has no identity because everything he does is influenced by the actions of others

>>109167960
as opposed to the bandwagoners right?

WE NEED THE RINGBUS BACK

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>>109168333
i can do you one better bro

>>109161487
>Does any latency schizo here have sources they trust so I can take a look?
Bump for this
>>109167701
Do you think clocking down to 5600 is likely to reduce or eliminate these latency issues?

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>>109160466
you want everything to be green.

>>109160774
in nutshell:
>it was unstable because i overgoyed, waah

>>109162914
This is how actual (clinically diagnosed) retards live their life

>>109168831
Only goys trust the experts

>>109160676
you sound jewish

>>109167159
>If you want the best IO latency, you buy an [...] X58 Xeon
Do you recall where you learned that?
>>109161081
>>109167679
>>109167688
Might you be able to elaborate?

>>109168960
The intelaviv marketing, if you can't release a competent product just throw shit at the competition

Lmao their fabs are so bad that they have to use tsmc now and their junk still uses massive amounts of power compared to everyone else, intelaviv is evolving backwards

>>109168709
This was drastically reduced with the next generation and bios updates

>>109160466
>>109161102
is this only a thing with am5? im on am4 and mem latency on aida64 decreases on XMP (3600 cl18) vs jedec, dpc also jumps up wayy less
also dont intel cpus after 12th gen have huge latency issues too?

>>109160499
someone needs to test this right now to figure out if it's placebo or not

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>>109160466
Man I've drank so many beers and done so much coke my wetware latency is worse than anything else. I'll keep buying AMD because I can't tell the fucking difference.

>>109160466
Shit, is my 13600K the reason all of my games feel smooth and responsive as fuck even when everyone else starts complaining about stuttering and shit in certain games?
I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe

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>>109172206
I should go and upgrade my Ryzen at this point.

>>109170578
I think it's just nonsense propaganda from the jews but I'm not a hardware engineer or anything

All this yapping and not a single mention of Intelaviv's Speed Shift and Thread Director which are the actual technologies involved in making this difference. They are even falling for the bait post that says AyyMD processors do math differently. LMAO.
/g/ is dead and illiterate.

>>109160466
because everything you do goes thru PSP (Platform Security Processor), for comparison Intel ME is not used for anything and newer was. Does it explain why AMD was allowed to take lead in x86 CPU market? Dunno.

>>109160774
>buys gaming cpu
>surprised when its bad at productivity
do your research before making a purchase retard
i specifically avoided x3d and went against the grain with a 9700x for general use, better multithreading and avx-512 support
>>109160790
describes exactly why x3d isn't a good choice for non-gaming and was never marketed as such, the extra cache naturally causes it to choke

>>109167679
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/amds-9800x3d-2nd-generation-v-cache

sure thing

>>109160499
amd uses assmedia usb and their platforms are usually ass

>>109160466
Uh oh Intel have noticed the steam hardware survey trend and sent a shillbot...

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Intelaviv back to their usual tricks. Maybe with Novalake they catch up. For sure this time.

>>109173258
well its not even the best at gaming so why would I get a less good cpu? I shall forever stick to Intel for my computing needs.

I don't have any of these problems with my 9950x3d, why did you guys buy budget cpus?

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Wait, is this Incel cope thread STILL running?

>>109160728
>>109160719
Thank you for bumping this completely organic thread.

>>109161091
>*nods*

>>109173258
>gaming cpu
>productivity cpu
you're building a personal computer, not a game console
such things don't exist and shouldn't exist

people who can feel CPU latency with their mouse are like people who can hear sound quality differences with gold plated toslink.
i have a bridge to sell if you're interested.

>>109174505
Most mice run with 500hz USB polling rate by default if you don't set up anything. but even 1000hz is still up to 1 ms lag between action.
Then people think they can feel sub 1 us differences.

>>109161175
difference is Intel ME can be inspected and has tools to rip it out and AMD PSP is closed fucking spyware you can't do anything about

>>109167159
>If you want the best IO latency you buy a fucking X58 Xeon
10900k and 11900k are top tier too

holy schizophrenia. I have a 30hz display with the worst input lag ever and it never bothered me. So you are telling me that you use a high refresh monitor with almost zero input lag and you have problems because the cpu creates lag? Lmao wtf. How autistic someone must be to care for something like that even if it's true (which I'm sure isn't). I'm sure eyes aren't even capable of noticing something like this.

>>109160676
This is retarded

>>109174357
Consoles can't even play the best games

>>109175168
>he never played vidya with hard timings
Having to press a button a milisecond before it looks like I should has always driven me insane
Granted, it was easily solved by getting a gayming monitor, the CPU was never a problem.