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>>109059453
Don't buy anything other than IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Utilitarian design: e.g. mix of old and new ports, stable keyboard layout
>Easy to repair, upgrade (some models) & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals, spare parts easy to obtain
>Usable in cramped quarters thanks to the TrackPoint
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info
https://www.thinkwiki.org/

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40-T42
>IBM/Lenovo transition: T43 T60 T61 (T42-T43: significant spec difference; T43-T60: 64-bit arch)
>Classic Lenovo: T400-T430 (T61-T400: 4:3 to 16:10; T410-T420: 16:10 to 16:9; T420-T430: 6-row keyboard, USB 3)
>Boxy ultrabooks: T440-T480 (T430-T440: eDP, M.2, soldered CPU; T460-T470: NVMe, USB-C)
>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)
>TrackPoint on a pig: T14g3 T14g4 (T14g2-T14g3: 16:9 to 16:10, fully soldered RAM/WiFi (AMD), end of mechanical docks)
>iFixit-approved TrackPoint on pig: T14g5-... (T14g4-T14g5: Ctrl/Fn swap, camera bump, modular RAM returns)

FAQ:
>Oldest that won't choke on the modern web
Light use: x60
YouTube, Gmail etc: xx00(s)
>Oldest that drives a 4K monitor
xx40(p/s)
>Oldest that takes 32 GB RAM
X260 T460p/s W510
>Lasts full day on battery
T550 T560 X260 xx70 Tx80 T16 and any Lunar Lake
>Newest with socketed CPU
T440p W541

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/ | https://libreboot.org/ | https://canoeboot.org/
Supports x60 xx00(s)-xx30(s) T440p W54x T470s xx80(s)

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/ | https://biosimage.booru.org | https://github.com/n4ru/1vyrain

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera | #/tpg/ on rizon
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Anyone with experience of doing upgrades with eDP panels that are not an option for a given model? I'm tempted to try shoving a 165Hz panel in my T14s gen 6 AMD, just so it can handle moonlight better when I want to remote into my gaming rig. Heck I could slap frame generation on old games just to get extra smoothness where they have hard caps with lossless scaling.
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>>109128801
FYI if anyone wants the parts for free.
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>>109179487
I'd like to. But since I'm a fucking SEAmonke the shipping cost isn't worth the hassle.
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>>109180199
what is seamonke?
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>>109179487
>>109180748
X200 didn't have IPS, fucking retard.
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>get handed an E590 from the scrap pile
>won't post, completely stripped
>jews even took the fucking wifi card
>put it on a charger, it wakes up, has an FHD screen
>find a wifi card for it and 8gb ram
>figure out the keyboard is trashed, order a new backlit one
>it works, 8265u handles Lightroom well, has a 5hr battery

>two weeks later, my 7560 kills a memory channel
>plop its old 1tb drive into the E590
>and its 64gb DDR4 from the killed memory channel
>add another 1tb SATA SSD

This thing doesn't suck I didn't know people were still daily-driving 8th-gen i5's. I love it when the e-waste monster loses. Intel 630 graphics aren't too shitty and it will play older games well.
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I've a t14 gen 2 (AMD) and I want to add a WWAN card to let me work on the go. However, there's no sim slot on the side. Is there a way to do this with e-sim instead?
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>>109179473
Did some digging, it looks like the AMD version of T14s gen 6 has no high resolution/refresh rate variants for screens and only touch screens, so it's likely that 40 pin eDP connector runs USB instead of extra lanes. This kills my upgrade idea.
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>>109181863
Do you have the necessary antenna? I know people managed to get WWAN cards work with eSIMs within windows and then just reuse that persisted state elsewhere.
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>>109181061
its funny how its the clueless fucks who always sling around the word retard
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just swapped the keyboard on my t14s g2 í think i lost a few screws
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>look online for used thinkpads
>find two thinkpads t410 for 20 euro
>fucking jackpot
>buy them and get a free 512GB ssd alongside plus 2 chargers and some spare parts
>build one good T410 out of the two
>order new battery
>install gentoo
>install new battery

this thing is fucking amazing even for its age, it works for basically everything, even works good under gentoo
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>>109181061
>Gemini, does the X200 have an aftermarket IPS panel?
Yes, it absolutely does, though in the context of the vintage ThinkPad X200, it is technically referred to as an AFFS (Advanced Fringe Field Switching) panel. AFFS is a proprietary variant of IPS technology developed by BoeHydis. It yields the exact same benefits you expect from a modern IPS display: wide 180∘ viewing angles, excellent contrast, and vivid colors that completely outclass the stock, washed-out TN panel.
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>>109181061
>>109182621
I look forward to your apology.
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> Scored a 2nd hand Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 9 that always sells out from used laptop retailer
> Planned to upgrade to a better SSD
> SSD costs almost half the price of the laptop itself
The SSD that it came with isn't too bad but its only 256GB and a Gen 3 when the MoBo is capable of accepting a Gen 4. Do I bite the bullet or accept my fate?
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>>109182680
Is it a reliable brand? Do you have another one to swap? Do you at least have backups to recover potentially lost data?
If you can live with it, I'd just wait unless you're actually running out of storage.
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>>109182339
No idea - can I check without opening it, as it is still under refurb warranty (I know it's probably a shit warranty, but yeah)?
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>>109182731
This should suffice:
lsblk -o MODEL
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>>109182611
>this thing is fucking amazing
dog shit screen
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>>109182692
It's WD, I was looking at the SN7100 to try and get as much efficient performance as possible but the price has almost doubled in the span of a year, even the no name brands are expensive now.
I can opt for a cheaper SSD thats slightly better than the current but I'm not sure I see a reason at that point. For volume concerns I'd rather just slap excess data onto an external.
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>>109182339
>>109182744
It turns out it doesn't have the antenna, as per lenovo's site so no dice, I guess
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>>109178829
Can external t480 batteries be reset?

I bought a 2nd hand t480, good value, clunky 75% battery.

It died recently. Laptop said 4%, not charging, died due to wear.

6 cell pack.
I take it apart and find that one of the cells in one of the pairs leaked and weakened the strip connecting it to BMS. It's possible I disconnected that pair while cracking battery open.

I measure pairs: 3.8v, 3.8v, 3.4v

I excise bad cell, clean contacts, resolder tabs so now there are 2.5 cells.

Plug battery back in: 0%, not charging.

Reopen pack, now I am charging lone cell to bring it inline with others.
I am waiting, but not expecting miracle.

What can I do?
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>>109183992
errrr, *2.5 pairs.
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>>109183992
>>109184004
Battery in question, only top pair disconnected from BMS.
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>>109184183
I charged remaining battery with bench supply to 3.9v, same story.
Can't say I didn't try.

I probably need one of those fancy expensive boxes(NLBA1) with fancy expensive subscription.
Reminds me of terrible old days of flip-phone unlocking/decoding.
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>>109184183
Swap them all out for new 18650s with the same chemistry? I assume that the mcu on this thing that announces the levels is locked down properly and can't be messed with easily.
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I'm gonna pick between

>HP Elitebook 845 g8
Ryzen 5 pro 5650U
16GB RAM
14" 1080p matte display 400nits IPS
512gig SSD
For 349€

> Dell XPS 13 9305
i5-1135g7
16GB RAM
13" 1080p matte 400nits IPS
512gig SSD

I have a desktop for anything really serious, but I want a nice capable used workstation ish laptop that I can swap the battery to a new one easily and that has a nice screen. I'm weary of the HP having shitty bios and breaking, Dell workstation I had a few years ago was nice and I love my Dell screen on the desktop.
What do?
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>>109186361
Dell is 299€ I forgot.

Both refurbished, possible superficial scratches on the outside housing if at all.
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>>109186361
Just make sure you know whether 13 inch 1080p panel is comfortable for you to use. Outside of that, upgradability if it matters, RAM might be soldered. The CPUs are close, AMD one is slightly faster.
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>>109186361
Color, no middle mouse buttons and the keyboards give me the ick.
Otherwise go for it.
Maybe ask both sellers for pics, to get a better idea.
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>>109186191
It's tempting, but I think also complicated in ways?
1. Does my BMS still work after replacing ALL the cells? I can suspect the last one that is now single(draws more current charging to 3.9v via bench supply). Maybe I will replace that alone with whatever I have(but I cannot know new pair is balanced!).
2. I hear BMSes also have a bit of RAM that makes them useless without some hotswapping.
3. It's possible I compromised any hotswapping by having last pair disconnected.
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>>109186580
I don't think I'd mind a 13" screen.
The Dell one has ram soldered, the HP is upgradeable. The question is if it'd ever be worth it to buy more DDR4 ram for a laptop that old.
SSD can easily be upgraded in both, same with the swapping of the battery.

>>109186580
Any suggestions in other colors? Not too hot on silver either, they just happen to be that way.
Keyboards, why? Supposedly they feel solid and nice to type on, arrow keys are cramped, granted.
Both sold by refurbished-retailers with warranty etc, so I'm not that worried about it, but I already have asked and will get some.
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Finally found a local 600x, the guy hasn't checked the site where it's listed in a month, but I really want to buy it. Basically perfect for running BeOS.
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>>109186361
intel always, get the dell
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>Newer AMD Thinkpad all use MediaKEK WiFi chip
Gee, having to skip 2 Gen worth of Thinkpad in the future is tough
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>>109187916
It was already locked before you touched it, when it first refused to charge. Unless the BMS chip happens to be supported by one of the free tools e.g.

https://github.com/o-gs/dji-firmware-tools
https://github.com/karosium/smbusb
https://github.com/laszlodaniel/SmartBatteryHack

you probably have to give in and buy a China battery.
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>>109181061
>over a day later
>retard name caller still hasn't apologized
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>>109190218
My T14s gen 6 AMD has a qualcomm wifi7 card
c2:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Technologies, Inc WCN785x Wi-Fi 7(802.11be) 320MHz 2x2 [FastConnect 7800] (rev 01)
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bumo
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>>109182049
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>>109178829
Is this thread dying because of how Thinkpads are becoming less useful to buy?
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>>109196543
Yeah chinkpads are useless in comparison to the hardware apple provides
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>>109196549
>chinkpads are useless in comparison to the hardware apple provides
I think it's getting less popular because of open source-friendly competitors like Framework, Tuxedo, etc
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>>109196543
4chan is dying in general because too many mouthbreathers are posting here.
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>>109197022
is that code for brown people?
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>>109197094
No, stupid people come in every colour.
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I got one of these messages on my T480 today. It went away after some minutes, but it scared the shit out of me. I've had the Thunderbolt firmware updated since I got the laptop (close to a year), but still. I don't know if it's the Thunderbolt, or just my charger, since it is a cheap charger I bought for 5 dollars.
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>>109199506
your charger is probably gonna shit the bed soon. buy another one from a reputable brand I guess, I'm still using the original one on both of my Thinkpads personally
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>>109199730

I am separate anon from >>109199506, but...
Is 45Watts enough on the t480(no dgpu, maybe higher with dgpu)?
I'm the dead battery anon from earlier. Basically running 100% off AC, light loads.

Oh, and internal is a fucking plastic+alum dummy currently lol. So I should buy at least that.
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>>109199968
The included charger is 65w USB-C PD as far as I know, whenever someone asks, I tell them to go for at least that to be safe with their thinkpad. Even newer ones love to ship with an equivalent.
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>>109199968
both my T480 (one with dGPU, one without) and my A485 (same gen) shipped with 65W chargers
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>>109199730
I mean, it's a Chinese Hoco 65W charger, and a 100W Wekome cable I bought because it was the only one available at the moment. I'm afraid the Wekome charger might be physically damaging the port, since it feels too tight when disconnecting, and it disconnects itself when I plug it to my phone.
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>>109200022
Ah ok, so I got a little bit shafted on power specs here on all 3 fronts(no internal, dead external, 45w dingus charger), with my 2nd hand purchase.

How much should I expect to pay for internal and external?
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>>109200076
One the bright side, the 45W charger is Lenovo original.
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Have you accepted that all modern laptops are trash yet?
>they all cost a ton of money
>you get shit quality regardless of how much you spend
>horrible keyboard/trackpad
>headphone jack on the gay side of the laptop
>coil whine out the ass
Where did it all go wrong
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>>109200076
>no internal, dead external
funny, that also happened with the dGPU T480 I got. I had a couple external spares from upgrading my other Thinkpad's to the larger battery but I had to order an internal one though
>How much should I expect to pay for internal and external?
between 30 and 40 eurobucks I'd say (assuming external 72Wh), that's what I paid for mine on ebay
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>>109199968
I use 45W at home and 30W when travelling. 45W is unproblematic, at least for non-dGPU. 30W is too weak at full load.

>>109200076
I bought 72 Wh external (old stock) for 40€ a few years ago and internal (aftermarket) for 15€ this year.
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>>109200632
https://hedonia.ro/index.php?route=product/search&search=t480%20baterie

Some pretty expensive Watts here, 72EUR for 72W external, 56EUR for 24W internal.

Meanwhile, I paid 124EUR for lappy. Blah.
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>>109178829
>dock and undock thinkpad exactly twice in 5 years, making sure i handle it gently everytime
>3rd time all dock clips shattered rendering the dock completely unusable
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>>109200741
My fellow gipsy stop falling for those local gipsy scam sites where every price has a 300% markup compared to ebay
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>>109200847
It's funny, I've never used Ebay.
Either risky Olx 2nd hand, gipsy shop, or AliExpress.

I mostly avoided Ebay/Amazon because of perceived delivery cost(as high or higher than product).
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>>109178829
Do any of you fags have a highres version of picrel? I remember having a blue variant with a higher resolution before, but I can't find it. I know there were many different variations of this sticker, I personally like this one.
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>>109201024
I think you can get what you want by recolouring with Drawpile/Krita(maintain edge softness) and then applying a waifu2x resize.
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>>109199506
Lmao nice backlight
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>>109200306
Nah, my T14 laptop definitely fares a lot better than my old ASUS laptop. The latter had its hinge fell off right after the one year warranty expired.
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frens, my old T470 suddenly shuts down when I connect the charger and it won't turn on again unless I perform a battery reset. I changed my old charger (rectangular slim tip yellow) for a new one and the problem still persists.
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>>109178829
Can't wait till LPCAMM2 ram becomes the standard and get really great deals for a T14g8 in like 2030 when the RAMageddon ends
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blog posting my newest waste of money.

>2011 HP Elitebook 8560p (Aluminum case, magnesium lid)
>i7 2820QM/ptm7950
>usb 3.0, serial, vga, displayport, firewire, sdxc, usb 2.0, physical led light for keyboard, expresscard, smartcard, glass trackpad
>Radeon 6470M on beta AMD drivers, and R.ID 7470m mod drivers.
>MSI 15.6" LVDS 1920x1080 display swap
>9-cell 100 Wh battery
>16GB DDR3L 1600
>Expresscard 3X USB 3.0 expansion
>Modified BIOS with Intel 7260 AC wireless card on the whitelist
>Vantec aluminum SSD enclosure for the DVD bay
>Dual Samsung Evo SSD's in RAID

the UEFI implementation on this bitch is broken as fuck and I have to rename any .efi to be like the windows one for it to boot on its own. Now that I built it, I don't know what to actually do with it.

pls respond
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>>109202102
The one downside: No Libreboot because the iGPU is not accessible :/
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>>109200963
>Olx 2nd hand
what do you think that ""store"" has in stock? it's just Olx with inflated prices.
>but muh warranty
if it breaks they will tell you to fuck off because
>you fixed it yourself and didnt use an official repairshop with official paper trail
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>>109178829
The charger port on my P52 requires me to really jam the charger in there to get it to work. Unfortunately the USB-C ports don't allow for charging. Any ideas on how to fix?
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>>109202315
Idk, but the charging socket isn't soldered to the mobo on my P50, just held by the chassis and a screw. Maybe you need to disassemble it and find/replace the screw next to the charging port.
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my original charger (usb-c) kicked the bucket

do I need to buy a new lenovo original or will any 45w charger do the trick?
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>>109201024
>>109202268
Ok, better question. What trusted AliExpress brands besides KingSener?
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>>109202002
Have you tried charging through USB-C?

>>109204176
Lenovo original only makes a difference for the few nonstandard >100W models. I use Dell chargers for most of my pads.
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>>109204845
>Have you tried charging through USB-C?

I tried and it's not working, laptop doesn't even detect it when plugged in.
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>>109204176
I don't even take official laptop chargers out of the box anymore. Just use the brick I carry with me. Just get a 65W (or more) charger and you're golden. 45W might be fine.
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>>109205120
He's dead Jim
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>>109206843
I mean the laptop itself works but everytime I plug in the charger and shuts down, I have to do a battery reset to get it back on. This is a sign something isn't working right.
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One day i will find a thinkpad i can afford.
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>>109209154
What is your budget?
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>>109202191
Is there no coreboot you could put on it to get around the garbage stock firmware?
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What battery life are you getting from your stinkpads in practice? Especially interested in Linux battery life on the thicker ones like Pxx and Txxxp.
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>>109211243
Like 90 min on Windows. 2 hours on Linux.
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>>109211243
I plug them in 24/7
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>>109211243
You don't buy used Thinkpads for battery life. You need a modern laptop for that.
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>>109211243
7 or 8 hours easily on my Z13.
>P/Tp Series
You're not getting very far from an outlet with one of those m8, expect about 2 hours or so.
Unless we're talking newer "thicker" AMD P14 models, should be about 5 hours. Perhaps even slightly more depending on your panel option.
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>>109211243
It's pretty decent if you set up TLP.
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>new job, requires me to buy a new laptop rather than using my personal one
>I want 64GB of RAM because I keep a ton of shit open at work (containers + compiling + chrome, I actually use that RAM)
>every modern laptop suddenly has literally Apple tier prices on their specs
What the FUCK. I bought my current thinkpad three years ago for $1200. Now a 20% better CPU and the same amount of RAM will cost me at least $4000 which is way beyond the budget they gave me. This is insane
I built my own PC just before the pricing crisis so I never actually felt the impact beyond just reading threads about it on /g/, now I'm just floored at the state of things
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>>109211797
Soldered RAM should be cheaper. I bought a maxed out T14s gen 6 AMD for ~$2k, 64 gigs of ram, ai 7 pro 360, 1200p panel.
Can't do much about pricing really, but you could search for used laptops with soldered memory that nobody can strip the RAM out of to sell at a markup.
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>>109211956
Don't they all have soldered RAM?
>I bought a maxed out T14s gen 6 AMD for ~$2k, 64 gigs of ram, ai 7 pro 360, 1200p panel.
When? I was looking at T14s among others, I can't find a 64GB configuration that's anywhere near reasonable.
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>>109212000
I think it was like august or september last year.
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>>109212015
Honestly the pricing crisis only started some time last year so I'm not too surprised it was still possible to buy shit for a little while. Fucking'ell I'm gonna have to hunt ebay for a work laptop at this point
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bumo
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>$400+ for a decent shape x220T
this is worse than the holocaust
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>>109212000
X series, T14s and L13 are soldered, the others are usually socketed
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>>109214191
Huh I thought they started soldering them all like five years ago
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>>109178829
Do I need a very modern thinkpad if I plan on using gentoo without making my cpu choke to death while compiling stuff?
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>>109215248
You can always reduce the amount of jobs to have spare CPUs to do stuff as you compile.
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>>109182611
scored t450s for 20$ - 7yo son loves it - his minecraft & roblox machine
capable ewaste is basically almost free at this point
thinking of it - i would be fine even with c2d shitbox...it would just force me to use less suckless software.... I member the time I used fluxbox on 700mhz p3 and was happy with it.
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>>109211797
Why is your company telling you to buy your own laptop?
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>>109216004
No, they want me to buy them a laptop (for me to use). Better than then choosing it themselves and giving me some garbage mass-procured trash with even worse specs than I can get in the budget right now
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How much does your battery last and what do you do to make it last more?
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>>109218175
About three fiddy. Twice as much if I microwave it before use.
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>>109210052
Budget is $500, replacing an old Lenova Yoga 710. It's been decent but lord this cpu is so slow now.
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>>109218175
L440 (75 Wh) 5-7 hours
X270 (77 Wh) 10-12 hours
T480 (82 Wh) 10-13 hours
T14 G1 (49 Wh) 4-6 hours

Things I do
- use the lowest comfortable brightness
- watch videos in hardware-decodable formats at the screen's native resolution or less
- undervolt CPU
- restart pulseaudio weekly or so
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Just bought a Thinkpad P15 Gen1 with 32gb ram, 1 tb nvme and GTX Quadro 3000. Paid about $560. Good deal or no? Any worthwile upgrades to be had? Don't see the P15 listed as a preferred buy in the OP, why not?
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>>109219913
>Gen1
Not the best deal but not a ripoff either. The model is kind of a dud in having the same Skylake chips as the P53 but with undervolting blocked, but it's nice that the GPU is replaceable. If you have heaps of cash to spare you could go up to a RTX5000 with 16GB. For a smaller budget, maybe a second drive for RAID, or a UHD screen.
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>>109219913
>why not
It's a big Workstation
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>>109178829
Is intel core ultra 7 165u outdated in 2026?
I'm thinking about buying a laptop with that processor. It looks like it's about 20% worse in CPU benchmarks, but I don't really do much on my laptop anyway. Just browsing and sometimes light work (CAD, PCB stuff).
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>>109220762
It's completely usable but not much better than what AMD offered back in 2021 wrt CPU (graphics is a different story)
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dead thread
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>>109226210
would help if people asked actual questions not "battery life?" without any fucking context
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>>109226377
I could use some help (:
>>109218974
>>109209154
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>>109226740
If you need it to be a convertible, probably X1 Yoga gen 6, minding that it has soldered RAM. For a normal laptop I'd take T14 gen 2 preferably AMD. No need for anything newer if you won't be running local AI.
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>>109228577
Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
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I have decided that not only does my 7560 have a bad memory channel but that I can fix it by upgrading it to the 8-core Xeon W-11955 model. My graphics card should drop right in.

While I got it all out, would be a good time for thermal paste. Where is a good place to get PTM7950 I hear there are a lot of fakes. What about the VRMs and shit, what do I use on those? Thank you in advance.
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>>109228577
I have my Gemma 4 E4B running quite happily in my T500 i5 P14s Gen 2 though. Luv me Gemmy.
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>>109231543
>T500 i5 P14s Gen 2
wut?
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>>109232006
As much as I wish it was a frankenpad, Quadro T500
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Anyone else excited about the newest coreboot finally killing the always-on Fn light?
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I wanted to buy a second T480, I had found some at a very good price, but they got sold out too fast.
What would be more convenient?
>T450 with 12gb Ram, i5 5300U and 256gb SSD
>T440
>T460 with 16gb Ram, i5 6200 and 256 SSD
They are all around the same price, with just a difference of like 30 dollars between the T440, which is the cheapest one, and the T460. Or should I wait until there are more at better prices?
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>>109237464
Get T460 one, the only downside to that model is you can't install a second SSD on WWAN slot. Also if you can find a T460p model for the same price, get it.

T460p has FHD IPS screen panels or better, option for 2nd M.2 2242 Sata SSD on WWAN slot, quad core 45W TDP skylake CPU instead of dual core U series and much thicker body for larping as thinkpad enthusiast.
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>>109237464
>found some at a very good price
How much?
>What would be more convenient?
What's the use case?

As a rule of thumb, you should get whatever has the newest CPU (that doesn't have any issues), in conjunction with the most RAM. Spending money on a pre-8th gen system is retarded. Memeboot is not a justified reason.
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>>109237464
Look for T460p/T470p
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p14s without an ssd port, what can be used for?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358776450680
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>>109240119
Desktop replacement with an external SSD. Or if you happen to have 96 GB of RAM lying around and don't mind losing data often, you could run from the RAM and connect an SSD only occasionally to sync.

For shits and giggles, you could blow some hot air at the slot and see if that fixes it.
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>>109240119
pentesting with usb thumb parrot os. Tails linux
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>>109240119
What kind of a monster would do that to a poor P14s?
But yeah just take it to some repair shop if >>109240602 doesn't help.
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I went to visit my dad, and he bought a new laptop to do his basic stuff.
The laptop he used to have was an Acer 574G, 11 years old.
He gave me his old laptop and asked me to find the right place to dispose of it.
I brought the laptop home, looked up the specs: a 6th-generation i7 and a crappy dedicated 940m graphics card.
Basically, I bought two 8GB DDR3 memory modules, grabbed an old 240GB Crucial BX SSD that was lying around, a new battery, and a Full HD IPS screen.
Unironically, I spent about110 dollars buying this Chinese junk.
A similar piece-of-shit laptop with 8GB of DDR4 and a crappy Full HD screen costs at least 10 times that much.
We’re living in a massive scam, ever since the curve of technological evolution stopped being exponential.
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>>109242569
Read the ebay description, it was repaired once for this failure before, so I assume the fix route is a lost cause.
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>>109244305
low IQ take
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>>109244305
Bruh
Could've sold that shitbox and bought a T470p, what a waste.
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>>109244305
lol you could've spend 50 bucks more and get a 10gen t14/x13 thinkpad
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>>109248190
10th gen intel*
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I got a T480 for free from my work. The decal is peeling everywhere. Outside of that everything else is fine. What should I do with it? Should I just take the plunge and peel everything off?
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>>109246678
>>109247233
>>109248190

Obviously, I'm not going to work on it.
This is a great topic, and a refurbished ThinkPad is excellent if you're going to use it for work or school.
I got it to watch soccer while lying in bed and watch YouTube, as well as to read while lying down and reply to emails.

I work on an AM5 desktop.
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>>109248293
Specs?

Wipe the drive via firmware or secure erase, libreboot it, take a shit on it and take a picture of it with a time stamp, and sell it on r/hardwareswap.
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>>109248559
keep us updated
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>>109240119
maybe it can take a SDD in the WWAN slot
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>>109251072
It's whitelisted to WWAN cards only since gen 2
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>>109251651
welp, rip then. you'll have to use an external one or a SD card if it has a slot
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I'm replacing the screen on my T14 gen 1 tonight. I have it opened up, the battery is disconnected, the old screen is off. What I'm wondering though is-

1) how do I know whether the ribbon cable is actually secure?
2) my tape that tapes down the ribbon cable isn't very good anymore. Is it important enough that AI should postpone the repair or can I do something like tape over the previous tape with duct tape or something temporarily?

This is the first time I've ever done this sort of repair. Is duct tape a terrible idea because of thermals? Can I just leave it untaped?
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>>109253546
Update. I did it. I got everything put back together, first laptop repair complete!
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what's a newer model thinkpad thats good
been living off of a t440 that runs like dogshit when running anything, but idk what the consensus is on newer models at all
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>>109254442
T480 is pretty good
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>>109254574
only if it comes with the mx150 dgpu
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>>109254992
nta but I have a dGPU model, I disabled it lul
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>>109254992
I prefer my laptops with no dGPU. If I want to access a beefy one, I just remote into my gaming PC.
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Are these things safe?
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>>109258978
Yes, this just has a basic trigger board setup inside to request the voltage and runs that into the barrel plug. These are safe to use. The cable you plug into the power brick should be safe too, because it will need an e-marker when you actually need to worry about wire gauges.
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>>109256514
then get a t14 gen 2
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>wander into Microcenter for an iFixit solder iron
>discover their laptop battery section
>they have one for my T430
>also have Arctic Silver MX7
>buy it,decide to upgrade it to an i7-3610CE
>got it free and spent 10 minutes straightening the pins
>it works, double the memory to 16gb
>has backlit keyboard and SSD
>mfw
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>>109259577
nta but I just got a t14 gen 3 for $380, unsure if that was a good deal or not. 512GB SSD and 32GB of ram.
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>>109202102

there are like video cam batteries and laptop batteries that cannot be taken into passenger maybe this laptop is allowed
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>>109254574
not anymore
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>>109259736
>512GB SSD
WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT SSD IT HAS, YOU FUCKING RETARD
is it intel? is it amd? fucking idiot. did you even KNOW what possible configurations that laptop has? FUCKING RETARD
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>>109262656
NTA, but NAND type matters--at least with respect to longevity if you decide to go full retard with it.
>>109259736
Motoko's cybernetic tiddies
>>109254992
Glowniggers are stored in the dGPU.
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>>109181061
>2 weeks later
>retard name caller still hasn't apologized
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>>109262656
Sorry, yes I was looking over PSREF for it when I bid on it. It's has AMDs PRO 6650U and basically all the lower options besides the ram. Standard 300 nit 1920x1200 screen.
>>109263043
>Motoko's cybernetic tiddies
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wanted to flex the $50 T420 i recently got, now use it more than my maxed out dell xps16

came w/ 16gb ram, threw in new ssd and did a quad core i7 swap, doesn't run above 90C

mainly use it for light dev work, managing homelab & playing cdda. trackpoint growing on me like a mf
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>>109178829
I start my first year of uni as a pre health major next month and I'm going to buy a thinkpad (either this or a percision/elitebook/zbook) to use as my main laptop. I preferably want a good comfortable keyboard, repairable/upgradable, a good battery life and a decent amount of power. I'm leaning towards a P series but I'm still unsure of a specific model or generation. I'll be using either mint or catchyos on it.
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>>109271813
>pre health major
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>>109271821
More specifically it's the program I'm in the degree will be biochemistry
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>>109271813
I graduated biology, starting medicine next month.

I say:
>>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)

Got my i5 T500 P14s Gen 2 two months ago, installed Debian on it. It's great, I really wish I had something like this back in undergrad.

However, it runs hot and the Nvidia drivers get finicky. It's not that bad after some configuring with Claude, so if you want an easy time, go for AMD. But AMD does not give you a dGPU.

Portability might be a concern for you if you do note-taking with a laptop (I don't, I do pen and paper and then copy to Anki and Obsidian). But you will have to give powerpoint presentations requiring you to haul it to school, a chunky beast of a P15 plus its brick will be a pain. T14/P14s Gen 2 will be modern enough while still giving you good I/O.

Biochem.. my course had several classes where we had to use specialized software. We had to dabble coding in Python, you might do BioPython. None of it required too heavy compute power, but your course might need simulate molecules, proteins, etc. in 3D with PyMOL, weak integrated graphics will choke there.

I hope your uni has a GPU cluster for you to SSH into for real heavy work, mine didn't.

Get lots of RAM, Genomics, transcriptomics, and bioinformatics will need a lot of it, 8GB is not enough, 16GB is minimum, mine has 16GB SODIMM + 8GB soldered. BLAST and Bioconductor are memory hogs, plus lots of CPU resources.

Good luck my man
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>>109272948
Thanks for the advice anon, I'll likely go for the p14s g2 amd (can someone else in this thread give some feedback about it). I hope the igpu will do fine for heavier tasks and have a pc for when im not using the laptop but it will still help with battery life. Did you have any trouble using Linux during undergrad I know librebook is perfectly compatible with peers who use office products but how does stuff like anki work?
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>>109271813
>good comfortable keyboard
can second P14s gen 2, it's the last one before their latest worsening of the keyboard
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>>109274109
I was still a debloated windows 10 cuck back in undergrad. Sad, wish I brave enough to use Linux sooner.

I'm running muxless with mine, the OS and display runs on the iGPU, leaving my Quadro T500 dGPU be completely dedicated to local AI models and gaming. Saves plenty of battery of life.

I would bet that all of your peers and profs will be in the Google ecosystem like back in my uni. We almost never touched Microsoft's office software, everything was in Google Docs, Google Sheets, Google Meet, etc. A glorified Chromebook will do for this use case. So I hope yours will too, because everything will nicely sandboxed in your browser of choice.

The only time MS Word came into serious use was polishing up the formatting of my thesis, at that point LibreOffice is more than good enough.

Anki is Linux-native, no problems there.
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>>109274489
oh right, in case you don't know, a P14s Gen 2 is just a T14 Gen 2 with a workstation dGPU, same chassis, keyboard, mobo etc. Hence the

>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)

In my region T14 are extremely common making it good for for spare parts.
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Ugh, I can't find a single modern laptop that has a power switch for the wifi. It looks like they've gone away from that. Anywho...

If you were going to purchase a laptop today, strictly using Arch Linux only, what would you get?
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>>109274489
My uni already gave me a Microsoft account so that's why I presume I'll mostly be using the Microsoft ecosystem. Is there a serious Performance difference between the Intel t50o model and the amd 5850u model cause I'm split in between the two models and wonder if the igpu in the amd model would be good enough for light gaming/local ai.
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>Meet up with my old friend from my laptop repair days
>He has a T16 Gen 1 with i7-1265u he got for free
>32gb DDR4, Iris Xe graphics
>Randomly won't post
>Gives it to me, he can't figure it out
>Figure out what's wrong, setting in Windows power options
>mfw got free T16
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>>109275682
Lucky bastard
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>>109274755
x13 intel
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>>109274755
Panasonic let's note
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>>109274755
P16 Gen 3 with the most expensive config, DUH.
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>>109275519
In that case, go for a dual boot. /fwt/ will get you the IoT Enterprise LTSC .iso's. My P14s G2 would get stuck updating the firmware and BIOS overnight burning hot, but booting into IoT LTSC and Lenovo's update utility pulled it off perfectly.

So now I'm keeping my 60GB Windows partition for updates. My Linux user ego is hurt, but if it works it works, the FOSS purists here will be pissed, but fuck them.

Medschool will likely require me to use Windows-only locked-down exam software. And you'll be in Microsoft's ecosystem.

Regarding light gaming and local AI...

The Intel with Quadro T500 is the superior choice. but you'll have to survive the regular Linux humiliation ritual of finagling drivers. Fine with my Debian (After days of configuring, I got dkms to auto-reinstall it if it breaks after a kernel update), don't know about Mint/CachyOS, I heard they handle it fine enough.

Having dedicated VRAM lets me run a Gemma 4 E2B at 20tok/sec, and E4B at 5-10 tok/sec (compiling llama.cpp from source and bash script autism is required to get E4B to fit in the 4GB of VRAM though). The Radeon will pull from system RAM, extremely slow.

For gaming, Radeon is good I guess, but the T500 is like a GTX 1650 with workstation drivers, tuned for stability rather than performance. Either way, only light gaming will be pleasantly usable, but your 3D molecular science software will be happy.
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T480 or T590?
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>>109278227
T480 (unless it has the worst screen option or a dual-core cpu). T590 takes away a lot of modularity for no gain.
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>>109277928
>(compiling llama.cpp from source and bash script autism is required to get E4B to fit in the 4GB of VRAM
how
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>T430 in 2026
Thoughts?
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>>109279204
Ask Claude to guide you through it lol Raw binaries are much more fun.

Ollama sucks ass, it will refuse to load the whole model + kv cache thinking 4GB is too small. Same for every other frontend like Jan, GPT4All, and LMStudio. With those, Gemma 4 E2B is your only option.

Manually optimizing is the only way to force-cram Gemmy E4B inside, and she runs quite happily.

>Vulkan, not CUDA
>kv cache quanted down to q5
>context size at 65k tokens
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>>109215532
I mean the majority of the compiling time is probably spent during the first installation and setup so there isn't nothing much to do. If I had to do a gentoo install I'd ssh into it and do something else on another pc in the meantime
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Will we get a 3000 quadro series in a 14 inch chassis in the coming years?
I really like the precision 5490, but no clit, ok-ish keyboard + retarded port selection would be a tough pill to swallow.
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>>109279351
Still perfectly usable if you're willing to carry a power brick wherever you go with it
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>>109277928
I already dualboot ltsc and mint so I'll do fine doing it on my laptop. For utilizing the local ai on the amd model could I add in a 1x16gb to alleviate the preformance loss due to the lack of vram so the igpu has more it can utilize.
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>>109279351
Use case?
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>>109282531
Kek beat me to it
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>>109279351

literally posting this from a refreshed T430

>new battery
>upgrade to i7-3610ce
>16gb ram
>SSD
>w10 IoT LTSC

There's a version with Nvidia graphics too. Lovely carry piece when I just want something light. The i7-quad makes a huge difference, you don't need the 3840 but it does work in it. W10 IoT LTSC flies on it with the quad core.
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>>109281166
With local AI, the slow speed of system RAM is the problem with relying on an iGPU, not capacity. Having dedicated VRAM and a dGPU will be twice as fast or more. Tried it already with my old Acer laptop vs my P14s
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>>109182485
this guy has screws loose
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>>109279351
unless you want to libreboot it, get a T470p instead
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>>109284688
t480 is better
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>>109284263
enterprise g is better
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Just bought a T460 for like 120 dollars, should be arriving next monday
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Ordered a replacement motherboard for my dead T430. $19. It's the version with the GPU so I had to order dGPU heatsink, and it somehow costs a few bucks more than the board.
I have an i5-3320M. Should I bother with upgrading to an i7-3632QM? This is my main laptop.
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>>109288102
>Should I bother with upgrading to an i7-3632QM? This is my main laptop.
obviously. why wouldn't you buy a faster cpu, more ram, ssd, etc for your old laptop? the point is to upgrade these machines when you have to replace parts, not keep them the same forever. i hope you're not still using an hdd....
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>>109178829
New to the game.
Bought a T400 okay condition, a T420 good condition but cracked exterior and a T410 total junk for pieces.
Aiming to clean and upgrade the T420 first, then check the individuals parts of the T400 and 410 and make a new parts list.
It's a long project but it's fun, any recommendations?
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Just bought my own refurbished t14s for like $300, looks nearly brand new and comes next week.
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been messing with the 600x that arrived today, the hard disk is OEM and lasted one boot before dying entirely, and had an extremely cursed XP install on it
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What is an appropriate price for T14 G5 with Core Ultra 7 155U and 32GB of ram? There's this one dude selling one in my town right now and it seems like he bought it brand new.
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>>109295164
Depends: What screen panel, SSD, how's the battery?
I'd say around 800-950€. I mean the t14 g7 starts at 1300.
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What do you use to clean the rubberized surface? I am thinking a car cockpit cleaner could work nicely, but haven't tried it yet.
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>>109296751
>me? I like dissing reifags and be racist with my surface cleaner
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P53 chad here, was lucky enough to upgrade to 48gb of ram before the crisis hit.
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I was memed into buying a T480 i5-8350u with 16gb RAM, this thing slows to a crawl with just a bunch of word processors and a few websites open in Firefox. It also gets incredibly hot very fast, the cooling system on this thing is awful
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>>109297641
Werkz on my machine. 72 Firefox and 29 Chromium tabs, 2 never-cleaned inboxes in Thunderbird, 8 PDFs, 2 chat clients and 11 terminals open. CPU temp 45°, energy rate 7 W, 20 of 32 GB used. This is with the same 8350u and the wimpy single heatsink.

Have you tried replacing thermal paste? "Refurbishers" almost never do in my experience.
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>>109296957
Different P53 chad here, I put 128gb of ram in mine last year
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Please convince me I don't need a 2in1. I just like the idea of drawing sometimes.
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>>109297641
repaste it nigga. even my i7 T480 doesn't get hot unless I have a game open on it
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>>109299130
Get a cheap used graphical tablet and sell it if you end up not really using it.
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I want to buy a brand new ThinkPad X9 15 Gen 1 Aura Edition 15.3" Laptop Computer - Thunder Grey with 2TB SSD for $1800. Am I stupid or good choice? I dont mind dropping at most $2000 for a laptop
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test
does anyone has a kernel config for t420
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>>109299130
They're really not that expensive used, if you don't know how to draw digitally, you're gonna hate the screenless tablet even if it was only like $40.
The digitizer on these is wonderful on linux because everything just works with in-tree drivers.
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Any notable difference between using an original >80% battery, and a Kingsener/aftermarket battery?
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>>109302540
One is less likely to burn your house down.
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Can I upgrade the motherboard or at least the CPU in a lenovo x200?
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>>109304100
You can put an X201 mobo in the X200.
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>>109178829
Recommend me 2021-2024 thinkpads
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>>109306675
T14 Gen 5 with a not 45% NTSC screen, requires DDR5 RAM tho so expect shit prices.
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Is Windows 11 a problem? Should I focus on getting a different OS?
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>>109306706
>DDR5
ouch, maybe another thinkpads w/ ddr4?
Expecting good battery life and good speakers
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Any option on the p15v. would it be worth for euro 250 for 24gb ram with an i5 10300H? Will be using for light everyday stuff.
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>>109306757
as much as a lot of people bitch about it, its a good fit for like 70% of the population
as shit as that sounds
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>>109306757
Yes, use Loonix or some BSD
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T460 just arrived ^-^
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>>109306893
>>109306980
Duality of man?
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>>109306759
T14 Gen 2 comes with DDR4 but also a 16:9 screen.
Gen 3 and 4 may be DDR5 but also bring a 16:10 screen and the RAM is soldered on so maybe they won't be as badly priced.
Gen 2 is from 2021 so anything older doesn't fit your criteria.
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>>109298301
>>109299448
I will try to repaste it, I had already tried doing so but I couldn't remove the screws above the cpu, I got pissed off trying to unscrew them, it's like they were screwed in by Hercules or something.
One weird thing I've noticed is that the fan is always at the same speed no matter what, even when the laptop shots up to 90c+ and starts throttling the fan isn't working faster/louder which strikes me as very odd
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Am I crazy or there used to be an option in the BIOS for the T480 that was like ''fan noise: normal/silent''? I seem to remember being there but I can't find it anymore in the BIOS, did I hallucinate it?
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>>109308782

you perhaps mean disable cpu turboboost
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>>109306867
Too bulky and slow, just get the latest T14 generatio you can afford and save yourself the trouble.
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>>109307051
>dual-core in 2026
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>>109308092
Sometimes it helps to tighten them a bit first before trying to undo them. Sounds insane but it's saved me a few times.

>>109308782
I don't remember there ever being an option like that, but you should be able to control the fan from the OS. Try thinkfan, nbfc, tpfancontrol. On Linux you can also change the speed by hand by reloading the thinkpad_acpi module with fan_control=1 and playing with /proc/acpi/ibm/fan. If nothing works, maybe update the firmware.
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>>109311239
my x270 works perfectly fine as my traveling ultraportable. There's genuinely not a single alternative out there with such small form factor, 2 NVMe slots, day long battery life and 72% NTSc touchscreen display all in one package.
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>>109311833
Which is why it's unfortunate that it's only a dual-core. Ultraportables are gay; X270 form factor was perfectly adequate.
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>>109306867
p15v build quality is equivalent to the L series. Don't even think about it.
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>>109311928
how about P14s?
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>>109312779
T-series quality. AMD models before gen 6 are straight rebrands, identical part-for-part to the same year's T model. Pay special attention to the RAM configuration if looking at gen 3-4 since many of them have fully soldered RAM.
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>>109307921
quite a spot. Thanks anon :)
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Does anyone know how exactly the Tx70/Tx80 EC chooses which battery to use first? Everyone says it takes the least worn first, but for at least two combinations of my batteries it consistently takes the most worn.
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I LOVE MY ASUS LAPTOP I LOVE MY ASUS LAPTOP
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have two W540 with 16G ram, bought circa 2018 used for 400 ea iirc. Use one with Win8.1 other for Linux Mint. They still seem ok for general desktop use with LibreOffice and Gimp/Audacity etc



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