What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole? Why don't many normies use imageboards, and how could you change imageboards to appeal to them?
>>109205119The digital space is so diversified that individual user bases keep bleeding in favour of the next new thing, same with games. Most people move on, only few will stick. And of the people that stick, some will get a real life or simply die.
>>109205134How do you solve this?
>>109205138You don't, unless you restrict the freedom to create new digital offerings
>>109205119Bots, bots, bots, bots, bots, bots, bots...
>>109205134How could you encourage people to stick around for as long as possible?
they prefer hiding and getting groomed in discord or shitposting on x
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole?Discord, Steam and social media algorithms are better now>Why don't many normies use imageboardsNormies have never and will never use imageboards, investing energy in talking to anons (or bots) as an anon is completely insane from a neurotypical perspective>how could you change imageboards to appeal to themI don't know
>>109205160This. Bots and AI slop. Add to this retarded jannies banning any actually interesting post.There's just nothing worth reading here.
>>109205232>investing energy in talking to anons (or bots) as an anon is completely insane from a neurotypical perspectiveWhich would mean you are supposed to look for people who are not normal. But it's not the case. There are reasons why it would not work. But I'd rather not speak about it on a botted out glowing website.
>>109205232>I don't knowCome on /g/enius, think.
>>109205292the 4chan anons who hate the latter is because josh is a male feminist
>>109205292>‘Arty is aliveIt's been slowly dying in favor of their forum.
>>109205302only trannies and faggots hate women
>>109205119New generation only watches tiktoks and other social media cancer + youtube. Older one have family and kids if it's not loosers like we are and they don't have time no more. Some also don't want to deal with humiliation ritual that is captcha.
>>109205305‘arty culture remains alive doe? ‘cuck lost
>>109205119why the fuck are you sad about this? lol this is a good thing you fucking retard.>>109205318just because you have a family or work doesn't mean you can't fuck around on 4chan. phone posters do it all the time. However i am glad the new generation is sticking to tiktok and other shit. desu the only thing that really sucks is how 4chan is basically devoid of any new memes all of its from tiktok/twitter whatever now.
>>109205327>why the fuck are you sad about this? lol this is a good thing you fucking retard.When did I say I was sad though?
>>109205327Back in 2008 people were making shit here constantly and it was fun. Now it's just going downhill. Pol is doing basically nothing it's dead, i come here to check /g/ and /ic/ mostly rest is not in my interest anymore. You can do phonefagging for sure but when im out with my friends for example i leave that shit at home i don't want to be bothered by it or even focus on it. Would do same for my family or gf... mobile gets attention only if im alone and bored.
>>109205119its hard to shitpost from phones
>>109205327lots of us grown up. we dont have the time for this, and why would we choose anons over families? some of us have wives and kids.
>>109205366So why aren't younger generations joining imageboards and replacing older generations?
>>109205373younger generations dont want to see tranny spam 24/7 as gen z becomes the most christian generation
>>109205346nu/pol/ is dead because the majority has been co-oped by literal retards around 16 and those left cannot evolve past raccccis. Memes were made here far after 08 its just only probably since covid have everything just completely stopped maybe even before then with regards to meme creation. Most memes now come from fucking twitch and tiktok its all dog shit too.>You can do phonefaggingif i am shitting or basically doing anything else i'll browse /g/ and possibly post.>>109205366The only way I see it is you aren't married or have kids. If you did you'd know you still have time. Oh and lets not forget the internet isn't fucking new back on the early internet who the fuck do you think was fucking around online? It was mostly married people. I met so many of those fuckers on IRC. That just reminds me you need to kill yourself zoomer. I don't get that either why do zoomers think magically everyone on the internet has always been fucking 20. kys
>>109205382fucking hell mate fucking take a fucking chill pill
>>109205382oh and i know some 50yr olds who have loads of kids and STILL post on twitter more then even some retard zoomer
>>109205377So ban tranny spam and newer generations will magically start posting on 4chan?
>>109205394Nah they won't... trust me.Gen Alpha have problems to even read a basic sentence and if they don't have constant dopamine boosts from brain frying retard videos they can't do shit. GenZ don't generally have time for 4chan since they are awaken to the reality that they will have to work forever and will never retire.
>>109205119>oldfags get old and lose interest in imageboard culture >zoomers and Gen A never leave instagram/tik tokI think that’s probably the main reasons. I’m 31 and have been here since I was 12. Compared to a decade ago I probably post 90% less
>>109205407>GenZ don't generally have time for 4chanBut they have time for TikTok?
>>109205417>been on this site for 19 yearsCare to tell us what 4chan was like back then?
>>109205417>>zoomers and Gen A never leave instagram/tik tokis there any solution to this
>>109205418Brain rotten ones obviously do they don't bother with concerning about future and thinking about how their life will look like in 20 years from now but normies won't come here.
>>109205186let them say the n word
is there any imageboard out there that isn't in the process of dying
>>109205431it was probably actually anonymous back then before the FOIA
>>109205431not him but it was shit like right now but jannies were cool back then now you have redditors troons as jannies on 4chanit's truly over
>>109205450you can't say nigger on here? aw shiet
>>109205468lol. moot was ratting out to FBI since 2008
>>109205478ok but that didn't mean mossad could then get your home address & bank info so they could jew you to death or run targeted device scripts that force subliminal messaging in an attempt to drive you mentally insane
>>109205431Board cultures weren’t as static as they are now. 2011 /pol/ was very libertarian, while 2014 /pol/ had a lot of religious threads, including daily Christian ones. I’ve been a NEET my whole life and remember when that term went from an insult to something of a badge of honor.. On /lit/ it used to be quite dynamic as well. Russian lit was huge at one point, then there was a time when the catalog was full of traditionalist stuff, all about Guenon and nondualism. You don’t really see those broader shifts; nowadays it’s more or less the same subjects rehashed to the point where hardly anything new is said
>>109205119There are already too many normies like you here ruining this imageboard, frogposter.
>>109205509you are a fucking retard. you are the perfect case study as to why zoomers shouldnt be allowed on the internet
>>109205527Frogposters will outlive you.
>>109205391>says the f word three timeslooks like you're the one who needs to chill, buddy
>>109205292>>109205302>>109205305>>109205326You fuckheads need to fuck off and be er fucking return. Kys
Nigger, your average normie spends 7 hours scrolling reels and shorts every day. It's actually way more fun. Why would anyone spend their time reading text on a decrepit cesspit like this?
>>109205119Shortform content fried the brain of the youngsters so only a few tards slip through to intellectual spaces such as 4chan nowadays.
>>109205119Every typical user is till here. Only the shill campaign bots have died off.
>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole?Jannies refusing to weed out the /pol/cel and clanker parasites that are driving out the people who actually have the hobbies they want to discuss.
oldfags leaving and zoomies not coming onto boards because their devices are so spoon fed they never go past tikitok or instagram
I'm ok with it. I don't want jeets and broccoliheads flooding the site more than they already do
>>109205809Nobody leaves. We're here forever.
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a wholejannies
>>109205806The janitors are already leftist troons>>109205821Explain the death of the website
>>109205119You are. Fuck you.
>>109205851>explainSee: >>109205780I do not believe there has been a downward trend in genuine human interaction. I believe 4chan was used as a hotbed of chatbot training and the parties involved decided there was nothing more to gain from farming here. Posts per minute and per hour have simply returned to a more natural baseline.
>>109205605>intellectual spaces like 4chan
>>109205890i agree with this. people moved on to twitter and whatever, not worth the cost to run bots here anymore at any scale.
its trannies and anime faggotsI'm sorry but that is the truth - no one wants to be around those
>>109205851>The janitors are already leftist troonslulzif they were you'd be perma'd years ago for being a stormtroon
>>109205119What is the point of an imageboard? AI replaces all of this.
>>109206567is this bait or a joke or whati genuinely can't tell
>>109205134>The digital space is so diversifiedThe entire goddamn internet nowadays is effectively one monoculture that's only diverse in any capacity because of the different rules present in different "communities".
So how many imageboards do each of you regularly post on? I am pretty indepth into imageboard culture, and I post on two. To be brutally honest, the culture is not dying; it's doing a lot better now that forums have died. That's a death if you want to witness a culture die out completely.
>>109206762>So how many imageboards do each of you regularly post on?About 3.>I am pretty indepth into imageboard culture, and I post on two.Which?
>>109206579I see where he's coming from I would rather read what AI has to say than any of the trash on here
>>109206795This one, and the new one that has been set up to replace britfa.gs but doesn't have a domain yet. It's literally three people. I still miss britfa.gs.
>>109205119Bots and turd worlders.
>>109206579AI replaces all human interaction. I am not even typing this right now—my agent is creating this post based on directives I give it. All communication I do is mediated by AI—this allows me to participate in 100x more communities. Face it—AI is the future.
>>109205292The sharty is a shithole for literal 13 yo and pedophiles who prey on those.Kiwifarms is for asbolute faggots who obsess over e-celebs. Neither of those were ever good nor ever will be. If you use one of them or both you should promptly kill yourself.
>>109205605>intellectual spaces such as 4chanKEKAROOOOOOOO
Normal people don’t use their computers for social media and similar. It’s all apps now. The chan and the sharty are horrendous on the phone
>>109205119>Why don't many normies use imageboardsapart from the slow as fuck obscure niche boards the majority of users on here is either normies or botsI'm a newfag that came her shortly after covid looking for porn, I honestly don't know why I stayed but the only boards I'm active on are /tv/, /v/, /g/, /lit/ and sometimes /vr/ when there's a thief threadt. mostly normie who hates making accounts and because of that is here instead of plebbit
>>109207100What if there was an official, usable 4chan app? Would it make the site more active?
>>109207241.....There'd probably be considerably more traffic from the same crowd that uses Twitter, but the real issue would be distibution on app stores if the app is truly specifically for 4chan.
>>109205119cause you get some faggot who comes in and ruins it by spamming and being uninterestingat least on twitter i can follow non-retards
>>109207714On twitter you are absolutely sure to follow only retards. You should go back btw.
>>109207741i'll do you one better, i'll transition and then start using bluesky
>>109205119imageboards are dying because they’re built for a generation that thought refreshing a janky thread full of anonymous walls of text counted as culture, while younger people grew up on instant video, algorithms, and content that actually moves.normies don’t use them because they look ancient, feel hostile, and demand too much effort for too little payoff; to “fix” them you’d basically have to turn them into tiktok with comment threads, at which point the imageboard people would cry that it got ruined.
>>109207814you should be forced to have an account so people can call you out on your bullshit
autoadmit is still alive
They can't be monitized and monitored as easily and much like the hippies before them I'm pretty sure the leet haxor 4chinz generation bought in and cashed out, hence our current tech hellscape
>>109205119/g/ee is now a slow board
>>109205119Global warming
>>109205292>>109207057Both are pseudo-internet hate machine attempts that lost the plot. It's like being woke for chuds. It was also never the core of chan culture.>>109205433Just remind them other sites exist. Maybe start a trend that makes them feel cool for shitposting on a niche image board (t. older zoomer)Millenials underestimate Gen Z
>>109207714I wish you.zoomer retards would just fuck off and kys. Seriously this is common and it is what makes imageboards unique you need to sift through retards posting to a degree and seeing retards comment etc etc. Seriously why are you even here? It's just like with every other fucking thing zoomers and normgroids infect they will pick something up purely for the vibe. You don't actually like imageboards you are just here because are a poser faggot
>>109209066Gen Z is a major reason the internet in general has become more shit including the invasion of normie baby boomers. During covid zoomers have absolutely destroyed not only imageboards but basically everynother niche community making the product insanely outrageously expensive. This includes baby boomers and other normiegroids but mostly zoomers as I've seen it. Cultural blood sucking vampires.
I'll go and come back from time to time. Depends on how busy I am with life.
>>109205605>intellectual spaces>4chanpick one
>>109205134The heat death of online communities
>>109206552said this on an anime website btw
>>109205780>>109205890gonna agree with you anons about trafficfor general site health though i feel like some of the deader boards need to be deleted or merged into others though. like /vrpg/ or /vst/ have no real reason to exist anymore and could either be a general or just merged into /vr//3/ is completely dead and could either be merged into /ic/ or here
>>1092090804chan is only the cancer killing /b/ now
>>109209231i post on something awful sometimes still and the admins there are actually retarded and dont seem to understand that most people dont want to post on a website where 90% of the subforums are completely dead.instead of doing anything to fix it they just sit on their asses and whine about how the usercounts been dropping year after year and how none of their "Advertising campaigns" (paying random youtubers in sponsorships) are working.
>>109205305that’s because they banned brazilians from posting to the sharty even know the site and their memes were popular in brazil, they also banned turks for not being white.
>>109209256>Something Awful ForumsThat website was taken over by trannies and SJWs. Hope they run out of users and shut down the website and then kill themselves.
>why don't normies use imageboardsprobably because of autistic lolipedos who need to spam their images 24/7100% of these posts are just an excuse to post their pedoshit because the questions are always trite and meaningless normies are disgusted by pedophile culture so naturally get turned away
>>109209315look at how abysmal the quality of these threads are>thread 1: 80% of the thread is just random anime and discussion about loli >thread 2: another boring thread about employment in software (done to death)>thread 3: software engineering is over because of AI (oh wow that has never been said before let me post this with my le hecking anime) >thread 4: retarded question that illicits no meaningful discussionreally shows how anime pedophiles ruin every board they're on because they don't actually care about what the board is about everything is just an excuse to post their autistic anime i see now why ponies are banned everywhere except on the pony board. they just ruin everything.
>>109209331Anime website. Fuck off
>>109209331Sad thing is they don't want to hear it but also act confused the site is dying. Can't imagine how corrosive it is being around them IRL.
>>109209354Yet you are on an anime website.
>>109205119Why would they use it in the first place? Zoomers and normgroids have their own “alternative” spaces why would they care for an almost 30 years imageboard thats offers nothing new or interesting to them? /mu/ is kept alive by kpop and taylor swift /x/ is full of christcuck preaching that has nothing to do with paranormal and /g/ /v/ /pol/ is just indians posting the most retarded Xitter bait screencaps… there is nothing left here unless you were already hooked
>>109205119Bots and AI. Fucking warned you, bro. >Why don't many normies use imageboards, and how could you change imageboards to appeal to them?Why the fuck would you want that?
>>109205119Talking to an llm and generating images yourself provides a greater or equal experience.
most lolicons online come from some backwater SEA country so thankfully the chances of running into one of these specimens IRL is 0
You can make money off shitposting on twitter now. Why even bother doing it for free
>>109205119It's a generational turnover.Your average image board user now is a zoomer, and zoomers are a bunch of retarded faggots.
downfall of imageboards as a whole? Why don't many norm
>>109205119zoomers are animals and have no concept of site culture. In a lot of ways they're like jeets, crawling through the ruins of things greater than they understand and bobbing their heads.
>>109205119Normalize a tripfag-friendly culture. We're past the point where the anons vs names wars means anything. What matters is good content, regardless of how you post.
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards?short form content and the transition to fully algorithm-based platformsbut you knew that was the answer already, so why frogpost?
>>109205119>Why don't many normies use imageboards, and how could you change imageboards to appeal to them?Why would we care?>>109205138immortality
>>109205134>some will get a real life or simply die.How do we fix this?
>>109205392>oh and i know some 50yr olds who have loads of kids and STILL post on twitter more then even some retard zoomerBoomerlennials won't touch this.
>>109210473I've only ever see zoomers act surprised that someone over 20 uses the internet still. It kind of blows my mind some how people who were the first ones online just went away? Most people my age millennials loved the internet. You think we all just disappeared? The internet is basically apart of us.
>>109205591Because it's real and open to any thought and person. But it's now just bots, AI, ESL shills abusing the fuck out of chatgpt and still fucking it up, and LGBTQA attempting to turn everyone some form of faggot or pedo. It's not fun it's just bad.And the mods are just range banning anyone who isn't paying or doens't fall in line with their bullshit or just at random. It's worse then reddit in that regard. >>109206567Shit like this? Unironic shilling? I would permaban the fuck out of it. But it's allowed.
>>109210080>Normalize a tripfag-friendly cultureWhat are you? A fucking faggot?Tripfagging will only make things worse.
>>109205119>imageboardsisn't there only one?
>>109205346Where do you think the word slop came from? it wasn't even one of our main boards.
>>109205394ban all the black and fat shit too
>>109205851traffic isn't going down. At least it wasn't in moots q&a. Maybe things changed post ai. Hate to say it but I basically have no reason to come here now. Why download images I could make myself? Why ask a question no one knows the answer to, three people guess, then anyone gets buttmad when you point out it doesn't answer the question? Or they just get mad you asked the question at all but they don't know the answer? /g/ is particularly useless now that ai does tech support. /v/ is dead cuz modern games suck, and now you can code your own with ai which is more fun. Barely anyone talks about society anymore because anyone left on here stopped going out 5 years ago. I chatbot is just as intuned with the culture as them.
>>109207100>horrendous on the phoneworks on my machine
>>109210564you should come here to talk to me. i enjoy your shit posting. Even if what you said happens I still enjoy reading the human interactions. I feel like its more pure when even though shit.
>>109205950you get out what you put in
>>109209231blue /b/ is really all we needor maybe like one is media/content/art/etc while social or life discussions are another one. And maybe diy hobbiest activity stuff is its own one
>>109210080This. And posting the same anime girl per thread. Its cute.
>>109205119As many people have previously noted, imageboards are chopped and also unc. Younger generations are only interested in tiktok style brain melting content, which is basically 9gag with added mind control. Society is still a few years away from realizing this is a serious public health crisis on a similar scale to obesity. Unfortunately for imageboards to be healthy we actually do need more young people, but we also need them to not be cognitively impaired or they'll be indistinguishable from the bots.It seems like most internet culture is actually downstream from twitter now. It functions in a way similar to how 4chan used to, except it's in the hands of bot farms, 3rd worlders and the people paying them to signal boost the latest ragebait. It's sad that the internet used to be a free place and now we're living through the age of it becoming the largest behavioural modification experiment in human history.
Also another thing. The rules here really suck. Outside of real life japan I've never seen a place put so much effort into enforcing rules that had very little effort or thought put into making them. Like they just ban everything thats fun or users "using" the site, at least in the way op intended. Having back and forth discussions, funnyposting, talking about their interests. Like why not allow a few or at least one anime discussion threads on /v/? Meanwhile any of the actual gross stuff that turns normal people off and only appeals to a vastly insignificant minority automatically gets a free pass because suddenly then "its supposed to be an open website."
>>109210619what you say is behavioural modification I see it as a natural occurring event that humanity is going through from there own doing. No one is forcing anyone to go onto these sites like tiktok etc.
>>109210651are you retarded? you can have that discussion on /a/
>>109209103No you stupid bastard. Zoomers have no pull or power. They inevitably flooded into places like tiktok,youtube, reddit, roblox fortnite etc etc. 4chan saw older people and more alt people come here and many stayed till an inside job occured that outed all of the mods and killed the entire site for weeks. >>109210564>1 rupee has been inserted into jeetbank.
>>109210656those people are faggots
effortpost and get 0 repliessimple as that op
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole?It's NOT social media>Why don't many normies use imageboards, and how could you change imageboards to appeal to them?If you want it to appeal to people you effectively have to turn it into facebook.
>>109209315>>109209331>>109209354>hate anime>go to anime website>see anime>shit and piss your pants in angerWhat causes this phenomenon?
>>109210653Although you are right in a sense, my concern is that it leads to a dead end. Kind of like how certain insect populations have been devastated by artificial lights causing them to aimlessly fly around to the point of exhaustion and fail to reproduce. The human brain might not be able to overcome the algorithmically driven content we're unavoidably being drawn into. It could just be a permanent debuff on our survival with no upside.
>>109210651>Like why not allow a few or at least one anime discussion threads on /v/?Because /v/ is the videogame board not the anime board. But I don't share your sentiment at all this place severely lacks moderation and /pol/ and /b/ leak to every board. To make it actually usable you'd need to agressively ban every faggot posting off topic shit, /v/ is a prime example because videogame threads are the minority but that won't happen because jannies are powertripping cucks who just ban what they don't like and let slide everything else
>>109210704>>hate anime>>go to anime website>>see anime>>shit and piss your pants in anger>What causes this phenomenon?4chan hasn't been an anime website since moot left.
>>109210724then we will make it out while they don't. which is a good thing.
>no mention of constant rangebans meant for other posters and 300s wait time to make new threads, 60s to make new posts, retarded convoluted captchas that take 3 guesses to fully solve (if youre correct)Why did nobody bring this up? Its the #1 reason I post maybe 0.5% of the time I used to at peak. This website used to have WAY LESS friction to posting on it. Now it's just like, twitter is almost as free speech oriented and if I pay elon I can make money posting on it. Why bother with a site that makes it harder to post? What's the upside? It's probably not even truly anonymous on the backend either, so why not just take my random text thoughts elsewhere?t. 2008 cancer killing /b/
>>109210737Why did you quote my entire post you retarded mongoloidRope yourself you barely sentient subhuman namefaggot
>>109210748Those wait times are for new users. Once you've been posting for a while you don't even get captchas half the time. It's actually easier than before. But yes it's annoying for new users and it seems many new users just straight up can't start posting in the first place because of range blocks.
>>109210748>twitterGo back
>>109210727Ok then when I use /a/ the site should isolate me to only /v/ users. Or they could just move the thread. Or promote anime threads on /v/'s board so their users actually reply to them. The technology is there but hiromoot has no interest in improving the user experience.
>>109210753>Why did you quote my entire post you retarded mongoloid>Rope yourself you barely sentient subhuman namefaggotArchiving purposes. So if your post were to get lost we would know what it originally was about.
>>109210748Yea posting from a phone is a real pain. Main thing holding normies back. They don't sit at desktops all day. Easy solution is optional accounts [hidden] that are just for bypassing captcha and maintaining bans.
>>109210748Can you even have discussions on twitter? I thought it was just OP and comment section? (to that post)
>>109210779With some judicious use of categorized lists to follow good poasters and some extensions that uncollapse replies, it's decent. Nothing like old 4chan or some smaller imageboards ive used over the years but maybe nothing will bring that era back. using For You is fun but ill-advised for extended periods of time unless you love slop. Using lists is the only way to make it less brainrape>>109210754Yeah I understand why they did it (IIRC the 300s thread timer was originally 900s or something retarded like that and was originally implemented on /biz/ during 2021 aka peak defi crypto jeetscam mania) but it just makes posting here less fun and less rewarding, more of a chore.Especially when you know the only way to prevent it is to deanonymize yourself by posting under an easily fingerprintable device/same IP or to literally buy a pass (i'm enough of an oldfag to remember when people made fun of paying for 4chan Gold). I don't really see a way to fix it without getting the website flooded with botspam from LLMs either so I get why its there.
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole?infiltration by hostile actors.
>>109205119It's you. We used to make all the memes. Fifteen years out and all you useless faggots post are pepe and wojak variations. I hate you. Things were so much better before you came along. You are the cause of rot and stagnation, frogfucker. As long as you are here we will never progress.
Scanned most of this thread and 90% of the reasons posted are idiotic. The real reason is young people are stupid, not really curious about anything, have no personality because the phone grooms them into being one of the presets served by corporations for profit. This kind of place is only as good as the people posting and in this thread most of you don't even know what this was all about.
>>109209331I don't even watch anime but I want to post anime pictures for the sole reason of keeping people like you away.You don't need to be an anime fan to use 4chan, but to complain about seeing it here of all places is bizarre.
>>109210727Thisi s an anime website.
>>109205119The downfall was the expanding userbase. We had it near perfect 2006-2010. It was flawless, we had no moderation, every community was self-moderated. I even remember when /b/ was good, even though it was easily the first to fall. Before captcha we had spam on worksafe boards that kept all the normies out. Phoneposting wasn't a thing yet, only desktop users would post. Phoneposting I think was the biggest hit towards making this place a worse place. I personally come from /o/ and we used to have a majority of tripfags+namefags vs anons. It was such a nice community, good banter and good trolls. It was such a nice environment. Now.. It's just ragebait, it's just people on their phones posting dumb shit, they don't care about the community, they just want the dopamine hit from getting attention. This is why it's good that we are getting ID verification for different sites, this doesn't stop us who are true to our communities from participating, but it severs all the phoneposting normies. I can't wait for the rebirth of 4chan.
>>109205851>The janitors are already leftist troonsRapeApe is a chudcel THOUGH
>>109210597we had blue /b.they killed it in 2021
>>109211713blue /b/ is called /v/ you noob
>>109211869that’s wrong, /qa/ was sfw /b/, because it was truly random and not all about gooning to videogame chars
>>109211711He doesn't do anything to stop the troons thoguh
>>109205119They ruined the internet, they can go back to x/reddit/discord.
>>109205119normalfags are how imageboard culture dies you fucking frogposting retard
>>109205950i'm not sure what's worse, calling 4chan an intellectual space, or the fact that he's right.if you think it's bad here, you should see the alternatives
>>109211879/qa/ was off site zoomer faggotry /v/ from the very beginning has always been sfw random
>>109211997tranny hands typed this
>>109212002I am very comfortable as a hetero (non autistic) man who has been here since early 2005
Everyone worthwhile went to ‘farms
>>109205119>Why don't many normies use imageboardsThey do, for an example look at (You). Normalfag.
Fuck, I hate zoomers
>>109205119>What's causing the slow downfall of imageboards as a whole?The user base of 4chan is shit, smaller imageboards are too slow, moderation sucks, discussion here is the same shit over and over and half of the new threads seem scripted, there is no original discussion and now everything comes from external sources (mostly twitter, which basically became 4chan), captchas are retarded and actually useless against bots and cp posters and whatever, ...The list of issues goes on and on.
>>109212101Cry harder
>>109205119Reddit is just more engaging, diverse and much better to use when uploading videos. I have to use 2 different converters and pray to God it's not over 4mb just to upload a video here.
>>109205468Users of websites aren't anonymous to site admins/owners, unless your site is hosted on For, I guess. But even there you can get ID'd by your browser.
>>109212252>wwaaaaaaah my [image board] won't let me upload full videos. I wish I got upvotes here!Suicide is always available, dumbfuck
>>109210564>moots q&aNigga that was 11 years ago. Traffic is collapsing, and in the case of /g/ it's 100% attributable to the clanker cancer not getting purged.
>>109205119Jews… also j shills are living a decade in the past thinking they can stop the noticing
>>109210651That is a shill technique called consensus busting
On the contrary the quality of posting really has gone up after implementing the mini IQ test captchas
>>109210727>Oy vey stap noticing
>>1092116812010 is when glislane took over reddit and it is logical that they set their claws at 4chan at the same time
newfags>linking to other posts to reply to them is confusing>whole site looks extremely dated>catalog is very dense>options field makes no sense, don't know what to put in it>07/05/26(Sun)09:09:53 is incomprehensible>wouldn't think to hover the date stamp to view relative time>wouldn't think to click the checkbox and scroll to the bottom of the page to report / delete>wouldn't think to click the post number to reply>captcha is retarded and probably makes most new users leave
Plenty of imageboards are still thriving.
>>109205119The experience is high-effort, low-reward compared to other modern media garbage. Including because nobody replying to genuine attempts at discussion is discouraging and creates an inactivity loop.Content moderation is probably tricky when operating a site across various nations with changing policies on what combinations of typed words are considered illegal.Also contrary to what many here believe, I don't think "they" control this site. I think any major site with user-generated content and volunteer mods from the userbase can find itself with many, unrelated or rivaling men behind the curtain. This is why the messaging in /pol/ is so inconsistent. The firehouses of propaganda spam goes in all directions. Also, the year-round predictable format of posts hyping people on ecelebs or film/vidya obviously includes viral marketing that is $$$ driven and unrelated to politics.Unmotivated organic users today are never going to compete with bots or people who push narratives for a living.
>>109211681>This is why it's good that we are getting ID verification for different sites
>>109210727>but that won't happen because jannies are powertripping cucks who just ban what they don't like and let slide everything else/threadthe most retarded recent trend on some boards is tranny jannies 404'ing a thread where actual discussions happen because it is OfFtOpIc but the 20 flamewar bait threads posted on repeat in the least obvious bot campaign since the invention of spam are allowed to hit bump limit consistently.When you punish effort and reward dogshit guess who you'll attract.
>>109212499Such as?
>>109212525It means all the phoneposting normies won't touch 4chan because they don't want to provide their ID. All the underageb& phoneposters do is post about their school crushes and make cringe horny comments.
>>109205119The root cause is lack of effective moderation tools for dealing with automated/malicious posters. Banning someone's IP will mildly inconvenience the guy saying nigger outside of /b/ and do absolutely nothing vs the Israeli bot farm with 1000 IPs to post with. If you can solve the moderation problem, you can have your imageboard culture back. I'm working on it but anons won't like the solution.
>>109212586>I'm working on it but anons won't like the solution.Elaborate.
>>109212586range ban israel and india and 99% of the spam disappears overnight
>>109212618That won't solve anything; the hack revealed that traffic from those IPs isn't significant.
And also i don't think post quality from there is worse than from any other country. most bait posts I see actually come from US flags but those might be VPNs
>>109205119The posters all grew up
>>109212561There are none.>NOOOO THERE ARE I JUST CAN'T NAME THEM SO THEY DON'T GET FLOODEDNot like we have dozens of sites that do nothing but scrape the web for imageboards constantly. The lifetime achievement and worst larp in history awards go to..
>>109205119It's political. Loss of trust in our ruling class makes people recognize these places as propaganda. In practice they largely are now, but thats only because rather than fight it by posting more, posters just move on or don't frequent places like this at all. The core 4chan audience was always those of us who started this place in 06. When you see a nostalgia post and you never actually lived it, youre just too young to appreciate what this place is.Closed posting communities like discord or simplex may replace it, anything where you can re-establish trust. Urbit should have solved this but the dev community is so gay their own politics prevents them from acting coherently under their very political founder. Maybe someone will vibe code a new way to participate in chan boards. All this place has left is reputation.
>>109212608Basically, 4chan pass mandatory. It's the only thing that will judo the bots, since there's real cost to evading the ban instead of "and now I switch my VPN to another IP...". I'm working on a proof of concept IB where every account is paid but you can get a refund with a small wait period (meaning only banned users actually lose their money). Everyone expects the internet to be free, but as we've seen in the last decade it's not possible for that to be the case. There need to be more symmetry of costs between clients and servers.
>>109212725problem with this is nobody will use it
>>109205119>new sites get flooded with bots, cp, ddos attempts, attacks by the sharty, and get slandered by 4chan from the very beginning>old sites (like 4chan) are shambling corpses that don't even resemble their original forms between shitty moderation and shitty userbase>groups like the sharty fucking everything up constantly and making everything worse (reminder that they're actively attacking catbox for having anime characters on the web page and caused it to get kicked off multiple payment processors)>governments and corporations pushing for global digital ID that would make imageboards all but illegal because by their nature they're meant to be anonymous
Hashchan is something I've been keeping an eye on for a little while, the dev has the right idea https://hashchan.org/
>>109212709>Closed posting communities like discord or simplex may replace it, anything where you can re-establish trust.Just twenty more years. It'll all come back with just another pisscord group bro. Trust me man just another matrix server. Come on man it's just another telegram group. It will work out this time!
>>109212767This is true, because "free" options still exist on top of the difficulty that all new IBs have with getting initial userbase. We have to build for later, like copypaste did with eightchan. Still, it's the only solution. So either IB culture dies from continued bot-speak and stagnation or we try something new.
i believe that you could make a large improvement on the issue with geolocation / ip checking tools alone, if you actually wanted to improve things (which they dont)>ban india/israel>ban mobile networks>ban VPN>ban business/datacenter addresses>look for abnormal usage by ip ranges to find other unlisted proxies and ban those toowhich leaves residential proxies remaining, not solving the problem but at least increasing the friction and cost to those trying to spam by a lot
>>109212767I would use it, and core posters would use it. Giving this place an exclusivity will attract the right audience, this is a very good idea, especially if you can do it in monero.
>>109205450Trash opinion from a frogposter. le funny reddit words haven't attracted any poster of quality. >>109205851You /pol/troons are immensely defended, protected, allowed to flood threads and boards with off topic /pol/shit every day, and still feel the need to shit on the moderation that explicitly allows you to make every board "/pol/ with a theme". Hilarious.>>109209231>>109209256Do you even use /v/? If you did, you'd know why trying to merge splinter boards back into it is fucking retarded. "Dead" (read: your dopamine isn't fellated by 9001 posts per minute) boards at least let you discuss V I D E O G A M E S instead of a sea of off topic gooner trash and /pol/slop.
>>109212725You're working on the completely delusional assumption bot spam is done by individuals. It's done by three letter agencies and sometimes corporations with budgets larger than most states entire economies are worth.You could make the pass cost a thousand bucks and all it'd lead to is you having maybe two real users and the same amount of botspam as before.
>>109212786I don't think >>109212709 is claiming closed communities will revive open IBs, just that is where all the posters will go as things get worse and worse here. We need to fix this.
>>109212725I think this is a good idea. One caveat is the imageboard hoster has to be reputable for people to make the jump to paying. Also there has to be some free tier so people will know whether it's something they want to sign up for, and also for initial momentum.This can be combined with proof-of-work for certain actions like file uploads, and the payment removes the proof-of-work requirement.
