>>109221007
because it is expensive to switch when you already have a gas car that works

>>109221007
they still cost more than comparable ICEs and take longer to refuel/charge.
why would you buy an EV if you're tech-agnostic?

>>109221025
People can just install a charger at home and charge overnight.

only retards buy EVs is the biggest problem with them

>>109221024
yeah, the most environmentally friendly thing you can do is keep using your old car until it dies, not buy an EV with a massive CO2 footprint at production.

>>109221030
and why would they do that if they could just buy an ICE and not bother with that?

>>109221039
This has been repudiated on multiple occasions and is straight up oil-cartel propaganda at this point. Even in scenarios where your local electric is generated by natural gas or coal, the power plant does so at volume of scale and efficiency far exceeding the internal combustion engine, vastly outweighing the impacts of lithium chemistry.

Once renewable-generated electricity is taken into account in addition to the upstream battery developments in progress, it shifts into 'absurdly better' for the environment.

So, how are EVs losing so much value? Less moving parts should mean longer ownership.

>>109221049
>environmental impacts of ICE
carbon dioxide. recaptured by green plants
>environmental impacts of lithium
giant leaching fields that poison the earth below them for centuries

I will be interested in EVs once sodium batteries become competitive

>>109221049
source? last time I checked it takes like 30k miles for a new EV to have a better CO2 footprint than a new ICE.
if that's the case there's no way a new EV can have a better footprint than an already existing ICE ever.

>>109221071
EVs are computers on wheels. they are not going to last longer than a mechanical device

>>109221104
ICEs are also computers on wheels now. At the very least, an ECU is required for the catalytic converter to function optimally.

>>109221007
Much more expensive to switch than to maintain my 34mpg shitbox.
Also they're overloaded with anti-features like touch screen hvac and insistent driver aids.
I am lightly considering buying an e-bike/scooter for minor grocery runs, that seems like a good application of the technology that doesn't wrap it up in stupid shit.

>>109221007
>reddit
>saaaaar please usings the elektrik veeyikul saaar!
lol

>>109221007
Internal combustion engines
>Last indefinitely
>Run cheaper
>Fillup quicker
And even if you want to argue any of those three points
>Depreciate like a rock because ICE lovers don’t even consider it
But hey, you do you. My 193000mi Acura is doing just fine without a redditor approving of it.

>>109221007
>he says a quarter of a million
>instead of saying 250 thousand
Sorry plebbitor, if you have to resort to such dishonest headlines then you have already lost.

>>109221172
Fast charging is only 10 minutes now, and you can just charge overnight at home so it's never a problem, and you save a shitload of money on gas.

>>109221007
People who get jobs are buying them, so at least all the immigrants are driving EVs

>>109221007
rolling gas in ur mouth
sorry not sorry

>>109221189
Retard what do you think a quarter of a million is? You failed math school.

>>109221135
at least there's more moving parts you can replace individually instead of having to hack the car if a chip fails

>>109221189
based. kill anyone that says half dozen

>>109221007
Cause increasing the efficiency of petrol cars by 5% has more positive environmental impact than converting 100% of all cars to electric, and not only that but we already can do that and are currently doing it.
Also new cars suck dick, show me an EV with no infotainment system or AI networked cameras, just a fucking normal car whose only input controls are the pedals and wheel and I'll consider buying one.

>>109221254
This but unironically.
If you say one hundredth of a million, I'm gonna doubt you so hard you might spontaneously combust in glorious flames of glory.

>>109221007
If you tongue-kiss my anus right now I could consider buying one...

>>109221101
Also during the entire lifetime the higher weight of electric cars will release far more particles from their tires and from the roads. Those particles are mainly what's causing reduced life expectancy and quality of life from car pollution.

>>109221977
Fuck yeah, that's a plus. Reduce my life expectancy so hard daddy, I want out sooner than later.

>>109221977
>muh weight
meanwhile all IECs are getting heavier and heavier and every retard is driving around with SUVs

>>109222029
That is a problem, it's also a non-argument. If people want larger cars because of their tastes then it's reasonable that they would want larger electric cars if they bought those, and they would weigh even more than ICE cars.

>>109221196
Electricity is only cheaper because not everyone is using an EV.

>>109221007
partisan politics

one side is pushing marxist tranny ideology and does not want the technology
other side is pushing oil/gas industry and does not want it

>>109221007
Petrol electric engines are the future

>>109221207
Quarter of a million sounds different to 250k despite being the same. Depending on how fast the 250k was done I also wouldn't care even if that meant 5 years to get to that point (((projected))) by (((experiment))). +30/-30 temperature swings over the year on a car kept outside means the battery is going to be weatherd by both the climate and charge-discharge cycles.

>>109221007
>why the fuck aren't people using it?
Less people own their own home so don't have a charger.

>>109221049
>Claims
>Proof
You have none.

It's like your regurgitating speaking points from some politician.

>>109221007
Electric motors are much better than internal combustion engines, but battery tech is still light years behind gasoline.

>>109221007
Surprised nobody brought up safety. Every month here I hear about some car accident that killed all the occupants because they were driving around in an incendiary grenade.

I had a Nissan Leaf for about six months at the end of a lease when a coworker needed it out of his driveway or his wife was going to kill him. It worked great as an errand runner but there were plenty of use cases where it could replace a gas powered vehicle. We already had a small truck so the short comings of the Leaf didn't really matter. Now that electricity prices have shot up, probably due to data center construction in this area, the value proposition isn't there, especially for those who already have a vehicle. If I had the same opportunity for six months of free use, not sure I'd take it given how much it costs to charge now.

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>>109221007
I don't hate EVs per-se, but it won't stay this way.
The beancounters will absolutely rape the engineers and those margins will be eaten up as soon as ICE are off the mass markets.

It happened with incandescent lightbulbs,
it happened with LEDbulbs (my fucking first gen LEDbulbs from 2016 haven't lost a single fucking diode yet while I have to change out my elderly neighbors LEDbulbs once a year),
it happened with regular cars (my dad's stolen W124 is still driving around in poland and makes it's way here once in a while)
it will happen to anything and everything,
it will happen with fucking electric cars as well.

Also new cars suck, I'll drive my E36 until it turns back into dirt. If they ever ban gasoline, I'll switch to moonshine. If they ban old ICE, I'll convert it to sodium electric with none of the combustibility or WEF/EU-gay shit in it: https://allaboutcookies.org/eu-mandatory-distracted-driver-system

>INB4 europoor
It will happen to you too, lardburger, in fact your infrastructure bill your most winning president ever Biden greenlit is asking for the same tech. It's all WEF bullshit anyways.

Also whoever designed the new captcha should be hanged.

>>109221007
electricity has a substantial tax on it in the EU, plus people are too poor for a new car

>>109222186
>Quarter of a million sounds different to 250k despite being the same
Guaranteed you're one of the americans that contributed to the 1/3rd pound burger failing to the quarter pound burger.

>>109222186
>Quarter of a million sounds different to 250k despite being the same.
to who?

>>109221007
Half of the country thinks that Tesla owners are nazi's. The other half thinks that Tesla owners are gay-asses. Both sides have a point.

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>>109222787
>to who?
mutts

>>109222793
Gay nigger association of Tesla

GNAT

>>109221007
>Why aren't people using it
Literally only an American thing. I went to Ghana and Brazil last month and saw far more EVs than I expected. And those are relatively poor places (even if I was in the core richer parts of those places). The only place where I ever heard someone randomly shit on EVs on the street was also the US. Dunno why that happens.

>>109221046
You don't necessarily have to "install" anything, you can just plug into a 120V outlet at home. As to why you'd do that, it's because the marginal costs per mile are significantly better. At least in my area, if you compare the cost of gas vs. electricity, my EV gets ~160 MPG, and this is with a decade-old car that I got for about $7k. YMMV, of course, but it's worth doing the math to see if it makes sense for your circumstances.
>>109222093
Electricity will always be cheaper than gasoline, because we have multiple competing options for generating it. Even if gasoline were to become cheaper than the others, we could and would be producing electricity with gas generators. An ICE gives you access to gasoline power, but not any of the other options.

>>109221172
>Run cheaper
Don't see how that is the case. Depending on where you live. I don't give a shit about the environment but my BYD is running cheaper than my last car. The big question will be how long it last but so far my monthly expenses are down.
Plus oil prices go crazy when Jews and Arabs get angsty while energy has been stable.

EVs are a luxury status symbol.

>>109221007
US grim reality: Because it costs more than gas, that's it, that's the only factor 90% of people care about. Gas went up 100% because of Trump's gay war with Iran, but Electric went up 10-20% every year for 5 years because of Trump's gay Covid panic. Without government subsidies EVs aren't gonna make it here until they let China sell $15,000 cars.

>>109221007
Why the fuck would I sell my car that worked for 15 years and will work for at least 25 more?
Also, Lithium is a major environmental concern - one that's far worse than the CO2 emitted by most modern ICE car engines.

Charging is still slower. That's basically the only blocker if you want to road trip in an EV. Otherwise they heem the competition at literally everything else.

>>109221034
Sorry ICEssie, but EVChuds WON

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>>109222954
not really

>>109223029
>2014 EV sells for nearly $10K
The used car market is nuts.

>>109223029
This is the equivalent of buying a $100 house in Detroit.

>battery's dead
>replacing battery costs 4x the price of the car

>>109223015
much lower mileage in cold weather

>>109221007
I live in an apartment and there's zero EV charging stations near me that I know of. Buying an electric vehicle is not viable to me or to many other people in the same situation.

>>109223101
keep in mind this is kangaroo dollars.

>>109223116
yea you will need to accept that a 10+ year old EV won't have the full range available anymore, point is that if you want an EV for typical short trips then they aren't exactly a luxury anymore, since they've been around long enough that there are cheap second hand options

>>109222939
Until data centers ruin it

>>109221046
Saves a lot of time stopped at fuel stations.
Why bother with dirty fuel hoses and crime ridden petrol stations when you can just plug in at home?

>>109221071
Less moving parts but more useless electronics with DRM.
Having fewer parts is nice but having everything cost 200% more because you have to buy new certified parts is not nice.

>>109223124
Even that's nowhere as big of an issue people make it out to be.
Even in extreme cold only lose about 20%.
And few people go on long road trips in the winter so unless your daily commute is more than 400 km you should be able to find an EV that van cover that.

>>109222806
>not making it 2/4
I have zero sympathy.

>>109221071
>how are EVs losing so much value?
They're not.
I drove a classic Hyundai Ioniq for 5 years and sold it for more than I originally bought it for.
Although that was really due to subsidies.

EV's not losing enough money is actually a big problem gatekeeping a lot of ordinary people from buying one.

>>109222806
>he fell for the meme
You got bamboozled, faggot.
In the '80s people weren't living in misery and poverty. Who the fuck would leave McDee for some nobrand noname dickheads, even if they were a little cheaper?

>>109221172
>Internal combustion engines
>>Last indefinitely
lol

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>>109221007
cost the same as a sports car. might as well get the sports car.

>pls buy the camera equipped, software bound, subscription requiring, purposely made hard to repair glowie shit box sirs

>>109223101
>>109223143
i mean, obviously the cheapest petrol/diesel shitboxes are 10x cheaper, but still, if you really want an EV they're not unobtainable

>>109223409
actually maybe not that much cheaper, the cheapest options on this site are cars that are fucked in some way, as in you need to fix some critical before you can use it fucked

>>109221007
Because the EV technology in the US is 10 years behind due to the US motor industry blocking it all in order to compete.

>>109221172
>Last indefinitely
100k it's all you will get now if you are lucky

>>109221007
How am I supposed to charge my car at home if I can’t afford a home?

>>109223513
Weird how nobody on the left shilling global warmthink ever answers this question. Just an endless assumption that everyone can buy a house to install their gayass home charger in.

>>109223513
you can just plug it into any regular wall outlet. for lighter use just charging overnight at a slow rate is enough. the special chargers are just for faster charging, it's not a requirement

>>109223513
You dont have a gas station at your home either, unless you're oil baron

>guys buy an EV
>it's really good as long as you don't want to drive in the winter
>or more than 3 hours at a time
>or anywhere that doesn't allow charging
>or when the software decides you just don't
wroom wroom

>>109223532
There are no regular electric outlets in apartment parking lots and there’s laws against running cable across sidewalks if you live in a townhouse.

>>109223547
It’s cheaper to charge with your own electricity at home. If you only charge at commercial charging stations then the money you’re saving on fuel is basically none. This isn’t complicated if you aren’t retarded.

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>>109221007
petrol smells nice, engine noise is comfy and i like feeling it make my car shake as it turns over

Evs cant be repaired no mechanic can work on them. no manufacturer sells parts for them and insurance companies deem them a write off from minor impacts because they are too dangerous.

drive a car charge it with fix or repair daily power solutions but it somehow seem wrong

>>109223566
i thought only students lived in apartments

>>109223566
>There are no regular electric outlets in apartment parking lots and there’s laws against running cable across sidewalks if you live in a townhouse.
if you live in a city or otherwise have nowhere private to park a car, then chances are you don't need a car in the first place

>>109223547
Gas stations all over the place. What if there's no charging stations around?

High IQ correlates to wealth so a few posts here being a mix of admitting they are broke losers and also chugging the cheapest big oil chinese whispers really tells a lot.

>>109221007
Because BEV are fucking gay. The electric motor as a primary mover is a great idea. The battery is retarded. I'll stick with my ICE manual truck until a viable alternative reaches maturity on the market.

>>109221297
The gay slate truck tries to do that but it still has computer bullshit in the way. Just give me a direct control of how much input the motor gets without a nanny telling me no.

>>109221007
Expensive

>>109222721
It's ironic that people think they're intelligent repeating the 1/3rd pound story that turned out to be made up by the CEO of A&W as an excuse why he allowed McDonald's to ass stomp them into the dirt despite A&W having a large head start. Now that you've been informed of the truth, you will no doubt ignore it and continue to post the story that you know is false so you can continue to feel superior for dunking on people that never existed. Ask yourself what's wrong with you that you have to resort to such pathetic tactics to feel good about yourself.

>>109223302
but enough about european cars

>>109221007
At this point I just want some old 1980s POS with a carburetor and 0 computers in it. I doubt most of /g/ even has their drivers license let alone owns a car the way you faggots speak about them

>>109221039
From where do you think the lithium came from? Lol. They devastate forests and release a fuck ton of CO2 to process that.
It's like vegans saying they are saving the planet by deforesting huge areas of forest to grow their grains

>>109223781
source?

>>109221007
Batteries discontinued after 6-7 years, EV makers forcing you to get a new car with a different battery completely incompatible with the last model. They talk a lot about sustainability, but always have proprietary designs that create more junkyard waste.

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>>109222355
>erm prove that solar panels exist chud

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>>109221007
The real reason is because gasoline is exponentially cheaper and easier to store and utilize in all situations.
The logistics and viability of an all-eletric society goes well beyond simple infrastructure.

>>109221007
No manual transmission=no buy

>>109222939
>Electricity
>Multiple competing options
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

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>>109221007
FUCK NEW CARS WITH ALL THEIR ELECTRONIC FAGGOTRY

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>>109222703
these are funny

>>109223924
Gasoline is definitely cheap, this whole planet is tutorial-mode energy with petroleum cheaper than milk.

All the more reason we should burn it in dedicated high-efficiency plants for cheap electricity

>>109221007
the average american can't afford a new car

>>109221007
I'm good you can keep your expensive electric toy full of spywares, electronic without being able to change a single piece on it. EVcucks are the itoddlers of the auto world

>>109223956
The 4chan crossover?

>>109223792
>european cars
Like Tesla?

>>109224257
subscription heated seats say what?

>>109223926
That stupidity is this?
EV's don't need a gearbox.
Even if you don't like automatics having no gearbox is better than the world's best gearbox.

>>109224167
It's that thing from arma3

>>109221007
yeah this is bs, the failure rates are perfectly within profitability at the service center

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>>109223014
>Lithium is a major environmental concern
>From where do you think the lithium came from? Lol. They devastate forests and release a fuck ton of CO2 to process that.
My country extracts oil by clearing away entire forests, digging up tar, boiling it with steam, and mixing it with foreign oil because the sludge that comes out is still too thick. It leaves behind giant toxic tailing ponds, just like lithium extraction.
The difference is you only need to mine the lithium once and it lasts forever. We burn the oil and it's gone forever.

>>109224275
I understand the technical reasons, EVs still functionally behave like an automatic, and are thus too disconnected for driving to actually be fun

>>109221007
I want to buy an EV but I think it would be better to wait for higher density batteries. random youtubers say 2027 is the year of denser batteries, but I have no clue how true that is.

>>109221297
>increasing the efficiency of petrol cars by 5% has more positive environmental impact than converting 100% of all cars to electric
bait

>>109222572
I guess cars that use fuel never explode or cause issues

>>109222926
>Dunno why that happens.
amerimutts are brainwashed for decades into being good consoomerist goys. they only have 2 political parties that are actually more or less the same... that should give you a clue.
I wonder why you people still haven't realized that murica is not a model to follow.

>>109223014
>Lithium is a major environmental concern
complete bullshit. it literally comes from salt ponds, and can be reused.

>>109223910
>Whooosh

>>109223892
this could be an actual problem, but people have reverse engineered cars in the past. extrapolating from that, EVs will be a boom for actual tech people.

>>109223924
>>109223997
electricity is cheaper than oil, retards. in fact, its price is a fraction of oil prices because of the way it's calculated. also, you can get free electricity from solar panels your fucking house. you can find tons of videos of people charging their cars at home or in their land.

>>109224405
kill yourself retard

>>109224405
>No argument.
I win. You seethe.

this thread is 99% amerimutts right? everyone is buying chinese EVs outside of america and canada, and canada is joining the rest of the world soon. get ready for the chinese century mutts.

>>109223276
A&W is superior tho. Mcd is like the projects of fast food. You can tell by the kind of people who eat there.

>>109221007
Protip: never trust a single word that comes out of r*ddit. It's always some karma farming bot or a retarded child.

>>109221007
That's nice and all, however the USA can't even maintain it's infrastructure (roads/bridges), much less invest in an upgraded powergrid so it allows more people to use EV's. The current one is in no way prepared to deal with a high increase of EV cars. It can't even deal with high AC usage during hot weather.

>>109224690
>It can't even deal with high AC usage during hot weather.
you know what's funny to me? the fact that residential use of solar panels can be really useful during hot weather (to power ACs)... yet apparently no one gives a shit about promoting them more during summer.

>>109221007
That's with original chinese BYD batteries (very expensive), not the cheap japanese knock-off we're getting

>>109221007
>us
oil lobby
>eu
germany is too invested in gas cars
>rest of the world
is switching as we speak, assuming they can afford it

>>109223519
You can charge them on a regular electrical outlet.
The same kind you plug appliances into.
The charge is slower that way but who cares, plug in before bed.

>>109221007
EVs are still absurdly expensive. Wake me when I can get a decent ev used for under 2k

>>109224973
>run an extension cord from the apartment out into its parking lot
Retard

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>>109224960
>germany is too invested in gas cars
BEV had the biggest share of new registrations in Germany in June.

>>109224999
Stop being a rent cuck.

>>109224999
nta but what's the issue? that's not a problem if it's nearby. if not, then talk to your neighbors and start connecting cables...

>>109225035
nta but anon is talking about the car industry, not about users.
they are now selling out to the chinese though, kek

>>109221007
Because it's going to continue being that way until buying an EV is as cheap as getting a used shitbox car that's in decent condition.

>>109221007
It's mostly because nobody charges to 100%. The majority will practically demand you don't surpass 80% charge or even 70% in some cases. You need to specifically tell the car to go to 100% and even then it's extremely slow, so nobody does it.

>>109223272
Car prices went up across the board during and after COVID, so little wonder you sold it for more.

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>>109221007
>r*ddit: the self fulfilling faggotry

>>109221071
>Less moving parts
do 4 pistons, 4 conrods and 1 crank make that much difference in the grand scheme of things?
EV's still have a 100's of suspension bushes, wheel bearing, etc to wear out

EVtards seem to think the entire car is solid state for some reason

4chan niggas on tech board be like
>let's hate on every tech that exists, ever

>>109225274
Pretty much. People here are bigger brandwhores than the Chinese are with fashion brands.

>>109221007
Bullshit why dont he buy a second hand ev then
Youre getting 95% of the range for 50% money

>>109225274
Its just reddit tourists posting on 4chan. They push their reddit politics. The whole anti-tech and anti-EV from a non-technical point is just classic reddit political positions.

>>109225274
mass surveillance has it's benefits for mankind

Are there any EV cars without internet connection?

>>109225472
Only older ones before they became extremely techy. Everything from the late 10s onwards requires the internet for software updates because of all the bugs.

>>109221049
>Once renewable-generated electricity is taken into account in addition to the upstream battery developments in progress, it shifts into 'absurdly better' for the environment.

What about the streams and life built in and around waterstreams?
What about the fiberglass composite wings of wind turbines that can't be recycled and will just be dug into a landfill?
What about grid stability?

You will need planned power to have a stable grid frequency.
You need heavy rotating masses which can store a large amount of inertia for grid stability.
You will effect the environment no matter what you do to generate power, what is to say carbon in the air is the most important factor?
Solar panels take up large areas of grassland to be effective.
Renewable energy is not clean, it pollutes the world in other ways.
Then there is manifacturing of these items.

>>109223618
>High IQ correlates to wealth so a few posts here being a mix of admitting they are broke losers and also chugging the cheapest big oil chinese whispers really tells a lot.
but poors love financing teslas, i know a bunch of people who earn far less than me financing them

>>109223910
>Fill all land with electrical glass-slabs to save the world.

>>109225402
>>109225423
shalom

>>109225482
How hard of a requirement is it usually? Getting updates makes sense, but doesn't that also mean that they have a set time of software support, like android phones do? Once a car goes out of software support, I imagine there should be no downsides to disabling the internet connectivity via modification.

>>109223618
see >>109225505

>>109225514
Depends on the manufacturer but updates can continue for a few years past the end of that models life, typically something like 5 or 6 years. So theoretically you could rip the internet out of it when it's about 16 years old, but it could also end up bitching and throwing errors at you non-stop unless someone figures out a way to code all that shit out.

>>109223963
hahaha

>>109221007
Because it makes people think you're a faggot.

>>109225528
Seems grim that people are fine with their car calling home all the time. Maybe I'm out of touch as an europoor who can commute with public transport or bikes.

>>109225505
>>109225516
>implying they don't fully controll the oil
I'd be laughing, if it were funny

>>109221007
>So... why the fuck aren't people using it?
New cars cost a fucking fortune and nobody besides boomers can buy new.
Boomers are allergic to electric cars and no amount of reasoning will get them to change.
Everyone else is left with the scraps that boomers decide to sell when they get their new UltraCruiser Ford F-5000 Explorer Super Cock SUV (TM)

>>109225548
The difference is that the push for EVs is completely forced and artificial

>>109225545
Well it depends on what you consider phoning home. The internet service isn't perpetually free and is only included for a brief time after you buy the car, then you have to cover it yourself or just connect your phone to use that internet.

>>109225565
>Well it depends on what you consider phoning home.
Implied dependence on some official server to keep it working as intended. Tools without 3rd party maintenance support are a blight.