like python but>actually fast and not 'fast after you rewrite it in C'>no GIL >built-in package manager that just works with easily reproducible environments instead of pip/conda... shitfuckery>first class Unicode variable names >you can inspect and generate code without a PhD in ast >zero-cost abstractionsWhy does noone uses this outside universities
>>109221059looks gay
>>109221059>Unicode variable nameswhy the fuck would anyone want that
>>109221059i banged a girl named julia
>>109221160So you can write functions that represent equations in a readable and textbook like manner
>>109221162gb2r
>>109221059index starts at 1
>>109221059>Julia>like PythonSo now R is also like Python?
>>109221314And that's a good thing
>>109221314Same as Matlab, Fortran, and, you know, math.
>>109221059Uses exceptions, which are also slow as fuck.
>>109221160now I don't want to startle you, but JavaScript allows those too
>>109221556had no ideaeither way i wouldnt use it or list it as a plus. i thought python had it but apparently not
>>109221059Because it's trapped in the LLVM ecosystem.Meanwhile GNU R remains fully free (as in freedom).>>109221469The exceptions and shitty LLVM JIT are not actually a problem for the workflow.The workflow basically just means science nocoder skiddies get Cython by default.The problem is just that you are locked into LLVM.
>>109222088whats wrong with LLVM apart from
>>109221188you havent learned from the last several decadeas that operator overloading was a mistake?
>>109221160I'm pretty sure like every Lisp supports that, too. Hell, Racket uses the character λ everywhere.
>>109221325Read this and become less retarded.www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html
>>109221059I want to like Julia, I want a good Matlab alternative, I want Pythonistas to eat shit and die, I want to just get shit done. Julia is promising and it's way better today than it was 8 years ago or whenever I first tried it. I'm a little concerned the owners have bad taste, but that's not a death knell.
>>109224410Dijkstra was just pretending to be retarded when he wrote this.
>>109224410Didn't read it and have to say, 1-indexing is pretty based
>>109221059The fact thet you're trying to shill some dead language that literally nobody uses or has heard of and has probably only like 6 libraries in its ecosystem as a replacement for python clearly shows you have never coded anything in your life.
>>109224442>I want Pythonistas to eat shit and die, I want to just get shit done.That's why I switched to Go.
>>109221059julia gulia
>>109224482>language that literally nobody useshttps://juliahub.com/case-studies
>>109221059Impressive, now let's see the startup time and RAM usage of a hello world script
>>109224464That's... Normal indexing. There was no indexing in C, this [] is just syntax sugar for pointers.Also makes little sense to not use digit 0 when you have crazy limitations, like 8 or 16 bits all over the place. Everything counts, so to make it unsigned, to count from 0 etc was important.Everyone else just cargo culted it from C or some other old times lang.
>>109221350The magic Math World is not inherently 1-indexed, you know? It's just a convention like any other.
>>109222150it's for math symbols, greek letters, etc., not function overloading
>>109221059I want to start using it but my company has already got everything running in python so it is a huge uphill battle. Anything I code on my own for fun I use other languages like lisps or apl
>>109221059it would be a good alternative for python, but python has already captured the market.people won't just move their whole ecosystem to another language without tremendous necessity.
>>109221160Emojis retard
>>109226923>using emojisnegmi
>>109224410>Adhering to convention a) yields, when starting with subscript 1, the subscript range 1 ≤ i < N+1; starting with 0, however, gives the nicer range 0 ≤ i < N. So let us let our ordinals start at zero: an element's ordinal (subscript) equals the number of elements preceding it in the sequence.So the argument is that it's "nicer"? OK:
>>109227539By "nicer" he meant less retarded.
>>109221059https://discourse.julialang.org/t/announcing-julia-gender-inclusive/63702
>>109227539It's nicer because there's no need for an extra constant. It's the most elegant.Dijkstra had no idea of the subhuman trash would be trying to write software in 2026 and so didn't feel the need to explain the obvious.There are arguments for 1-based indexing but none of them refute the Computer Science argument for 0-based indexing.
>>109226707I find zero-based far more convenient for slicing large arrays with variables (eg [offset to offset+numbytes] in a binary file, or [origin to origin+length] for a vector).I find zero-based mildly inconvenient for manually referencing specific fields/columns in a row. (eg the output of 'ps -ef' or a spreadsheet).
>>109228576>3% of survey respondents identified as male>20% of visitors to JuliaLang.org are presumed to be women by Google Analyticskek
I like it but just do hobby things with it because interpretedI had sorta under-utilized it because there was so much more python stuff sitting around ready to use or if I needed to look somthing up, but now that LLMs >> stackechange I'm thinking I should just write stuff in Julia again
>>109226859calling things sigma in code is fucking retarded
>like python but without all the librariesHm...
>>109231467No it isn't. It's often the best and clearest way of coding up a formula that contains σ.
Only thing I hate so far is not being able to clear/redefine variables. Once x exists you can't later make it x::Int32 .
>>109231626i accept your concession.
>>109231653Ah, the ultimate cope-out. I wasn't expecting such butthurt.
>>109226643> My job consists in writing hello worlds every dayNo wonder LLMs will take your place
Gonna start replacing Matlab with Julia today. Will check in regularly.
>>109221059>Now there are 8,364 competing programming languages.
>>109221059I won't use your tranny language with a female name simple ast. C for embedded C++ for speed and memory Python for everything else, like G-d intended
>>109226859>>109231467greek letters just map to american letters retardssigma = seta = nzeta = zepislon = etau = ttheta = tetc
>>109234685>jew>not worshiping womenhand over your torah and your other yamaka
>>109234685>python you're a nigger. you have no place badmouthing anyone.
>>109221059>I other people write python in C for me. Not my problem.>gil isn't a thing anymore. Wake up you stinky millennial>ever heard of uv or venv? only total nocoders use conda>congrats?>again, congrats lil bro>Amazing. I do not care. It doesn't pay me 90k per year.>>109226573>his language needs to show people how it's relevant with case studies
>>109234870>racist in 2026
>>109221059nim is nicer and doesn't try the hybrid type system meme
>>109234978I like being ahead of the curve
>>109234994racist isn't coming backalso, saying something witty won't make me think you're cool nowI got overy racism by waking up to how horrible many whites are, and watching this interviewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmvGdzMSEtU
>>109235056this is /g/, not /pol/. try to stay on topic, nigger.
>>109235056Racist or not you seem like a gigantic loser.
>>109234701> american letters
>>109234870python hating is the surest mark of midwitry there is. you don't understand how to use time and computers.
>>109235056>Uhm Fellow Wyte goy- i mean people, we need to wake up and realize how terrible we are!
>>109235120>being rude in 2026yikes
>>109235786based wholesomeness awareness speader
>>109234701Greek letters are dumb anyway, just give it a name. > but the letter IS the name!I've never met a programmer afraid of coming up with a dumb name for something.
>>109236408>give it a name.sigma is the name that's what everyone calls it ain't nobody gonna call it standard_deviation or internal_stress_tensor or whatever the fuck you know what I mean
>>109236619Start calling it whatever the fuck or shorthand `wtf` and you'll realize it is much nicer than `σ` or `sigma`. `std` `ist` `stress`. I know people like the fantasy of writing code like the equation, but math notation is too ambiguous for anything but the simplest equations. It's almost always more clear to break it apart, using better names goes alongside that.
>>109235209nta but i write python for a living and i work with others who write python for a living every single day. i can confidently say that the only people who don't hate python are those who haven't used it enough, or have only ever used it for inconsequential hobby projects or one-off scripts. it's a joke of a language please don't kid yourself.
>>109238514>who haven't used it enough, or have only ever used it for inconsequential hobby projects or one-off scriptsdo you know where you are?
oh wtf, I am gonna learn Julia right fucking now
>>109239604How did it go?It's been pretty smooth for me, though I keep forgetting to do `max.([1 2 3])` instead of`max([1 2 3])`Why can't the std just work instead having separate array functions?
>>109239757I was being facetious, sorry. I ain't learning Julia
>>109236619>internal stress tensoras opposed to external stress tensor, you retard?>stress is sigmano, it isnt. aeros use pi. when you get to big boy mechanics you will see P, S, tau, and sigma. some people use T for what you are callinf sigma because of a foolish consistency to notation
