Let's discuss the technological marvel that is the NES
>>109226846Always wanted to learn how to make rom hacks but the asm filtered me. Apparently Sega's consoles are better in that regard because they use a more expensive CPU or something.
I always thought NES was too barebones to have good games on it.yes, they may have been foundational at the time, but looking at it without rose-colored glasses, there isn't anything there that really makes me want to go back and play something.
There's a lot of good games on the NES
nes and master system were lame consoles. snes & genesis were leaps ahead.
>>109226891The Game Boy is a better designed system than the NES, GB assembly is also nicer to work with>>109226846The Japanese version of Castlevania both looks and sounds better than the US version (looks because no censorship, sounds because there was a chip in the Japanese cartridge that gave it an extra audio channel/instrument).
>>109226944Castlevania III* not Castlevania, sorry
>>109226939NES came first
>>109226939>hardware from a decade later was leaps aheadyeah, no fucking shit
>>109226846nice>>109226846
>>109226914next you're gonna say the games feel too "liminal"
>>109226965liminal games? sounds intriguing, I'd play those.
>>109226951>>1092269578 bit games were beyond basic they were like atari dogshit. 16bit is when games got good and cartridge sizes increased enough to do full out jrpgs.
>>>/vr/
>>109226990The only good JRPG is Chrono Trigger
>>109227023shut up faggot
I liked the console shell itself. I like building PCs inside the shells, but the games themselves were shit.
>>109227075I like putting consoles into PC cases.
>>109226990Play Final Fantasy III on Famicom and tell me that it's not a full-out JRPG
>>109227001Why is the guy sitting so big
>>109228061that happens when you sit for too long.
>>109228061>so bigfor you
>>109228061Yeah I've seen this happen in other games. I'd like to think you are supposed to understand the scene as it being a POV of the character
>>109226936>There's a lot of good games on the NESYeah, like Contra. You ever played Contra? Man, I fucking love Contra. So many good games on that console. Contra is one of them, of course.
>>109228282>ContraWhat's that? I only played Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde and T&C Surf Designs.
>>109227075I like putting consoles into other consoles
>>109226990That shit filters me out so much it's not even funny.>3d perspective completely in 2d>compass>minimapI have zero fucking idea on how I would even begin programming something like that.I want to be good enough, but I am not.I'm retarded.
>>109228898It's pretty easy, actually.
>>109226990Wrong.Every console generation has seen diminishing returns. The leap from Atari dogshit to NES was objectively bigger than the leap from NES to SNES. Your zoomie brain just can't comprehend the leap because it's rotten, and sees Atari and NES the same. SAD!>>109228282Low quality bait
>>109229044Please elaborate.
>>109227037FFVIFTFY
>>109231505I think mode 7 works identical to Wolfenstein 3D rendering. Something about X column of texture rendering at Y scanline at Z height
>>109228898>>3d perspective completely in 2dit was done by the console. you just had to fill the matrix's registers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_7
>>109226990I agree.For example you can't do a good Alien/Metroid game on 8-bit, the graphics are too simple and the controls too unresponsive. Just take a look at how big the Alien in Contra has to be so you can actually see something.In a world where arcade cabinets with graphics better than the Genesis & SNES were already available.There was an actual SUPERIOR console but which poorfags couldn't afford.
>>1092268916502 assembly is pretty good when you get the hang of it and find a toolchain that ACTUALLY FUCKIN' WORKS
>>109233913>and find a toolchain that ACTUALLY FUCKIN' WORKScc65 is all you need.
>>109226891Assembly at that level really isn't too hard, it's kind of fun. The problem nowadays is everything is too fucking complicated. But with a simple 8bit CPU its nice and comfy, just the right amount of complexity you can realistically understand the whole thing.Also limitations inspire more creativity.
>>109234100I find the PS2 CPU in MIPS extremely comfy.
>>109226846>technological marvel>NESlmao>>109233996>cc65no. ca65 is all you need.>>109234136it's very good until you have to start dealing with the video hardware and keeping the rendering pipeline going. rendering a cube with a texture map is an exercise of pure torture. shouldn't surprise anyone why everyone moved to c/c++ by this stage. hardware was getting way too complicated to program everything just using assembly.
>>109226990>16bit is when games got goodYeah I see what you mean, this is much better
>>109226914The good ones are timeless. Super Mario Brothers 3Legend of ZeldaMike Tyson's Punch-OutKirby's AdventureMega Man gamesCastlevania 1Those games all have lessons in good design that modern devs would do well to consider. Some are fairly well-ingrained in the culture (Mario, Mega Man). Some less so (zelda 1, punch-out). More is not always better. Modern devs have to choose their limitations.
>>109226990Depends on the genre you want. 8 bit jarpigs don't hold up too well, but simple platformers do. To compare with Atari just shows you know nothing about the jump between blatantly inferior knock-offs of single-screen quarter-munchers with simple geometric shapes for sprites, and real 2D side scrolling platform games with momentum, animated cartoony sprites, battery-backed saves on action-adventure games with incremental progress. (Home Computers had progress and RPGs and such, but were usually really bad at arcade-style action)
>>109234467Just because the chip is more capable doesn't mean lazy ass devs will use said capability. Also baseball is boring and autistic so perhaps that is an optimal interface since baseball fags only give a shit about dumb ass statistics anyway.
>>109234690I only somewhat liked Blaster Master.
>>109226990>MUH JARPIGSStfu retard
>>109234690All of those have been obsoleted by later games, usually in the same franchise. The only NES games I would seriously recommend to people who know nothing about them are ones with straight banger chiptunes like Mega Man 2.
>>109226990>they were like atari dogshitWay to out yourself as never having played the NES and Atari.
>>109233835>controls too unresponsiveThis has nothing to do with the hardware
>>109235633Congrats you completely missed the point
>>109235633why are baseball haters such dogshit for brain retards
>>109226990SMB is fun to play tho
