Did anyone notice how astroturfed the chinese gaming mice are?Reddit and Youtube are full of shills.Yeah, the chinese clones are cheaper than Logitech and Razer and shit, but the quality is not the same.
>>109232681>Did anyone notice how astroturfed the chinese gaming mice are?No>Reddit and Youtube are full of shills.Stop scrolling>Yeah, the chinese clones are cheaper than Logitech and Razer and shit, but the quality is not the same.answered your own question, stop consooming.
>>109232681it will never not be funny how mouse manufacturers are shilling lightweight as a big thingimagine being such a twig that the extra 20g makes you unable to use it properly
>>109232703Nogamer spotted. Go back to your spreadsheets with your 100g mouse kek.
>>109232717wristlet retard
>>109232703Weight is a very important factor to reduce wrist pain if you use your mouse many hours every day.It has nothing to do with you being a twig or not, RSIs are a thing even for bodybuilders.
>>109232703>what is inertialighter lets you react faster, it's just physics, no matter how strongly you move the mouse.
>>109232681chink mice are great i have a kysona m600 it works well and came with glass skates
>>109232681I was just trying to find a fucking mouse in a specific color and everyone one of these niche mouse companies are always fucking sold out. I really have no idea who the fuck else is buying this shit so fast besides fucking zoomers and there over consumption. I don't really want to blame zoomers for this but thats all I fucking see. Always they are always in the comments talking about "this is another mouse I need to get" what the fuck is going on? You can't deal with having the 50 fucking mice you already have? I swear to fuck all I want is a specific fucking color as a secondary wireless mouse that is all. This also has basically turned mechanical keyboards into a fucking gay shitshow as well. I'm sorry to say this but fucking zoomers continue to ruin everything.
>>109232703100%>>109232752bullshit, I've been using heavy mice daily for my entire life and I do not have fucking RSI.
>>109232783If anything mulatto children are buying dog shit mice just to have it so they can larp as their shitty esports twitcher faggot.
>>109232681>side buttonsAny there any good wireless 3-button mice made for people large handed chads?
g502 solved mice years ago, stop being a faggot and trying to save $20
>>109232769glass skates are cool but who the fuck wants glass mousepad. Are they even using them?
>>109232790>I do not have fucking RSI.>Therefore RSI is not a concern for anyone else on the planetJesus christ /g/ is filled with mongoloids.
>>109232769>it works wellYou're either lucky or a lying shill.I found three threads of people reporting bugs with the M600 in a minute.It's always the same with chink mice. Sensor bugs, occasionally stops tracking, random battery drain ....
>be a fitfag>nolife modded factorio for 6 weeks, 12 hours a day, zero breaks>using a 140g mouse>no hint of any madeup shit like rsisounds like a (you) issue
>>109232803You expect me to fucking believe RSI comes from the mouse? I'm sure it doesnt help but I can tell you if you just used a mouse its not going to cause rsi.
logitech deliberately make their scroll wheels break after 1-2 so you are forced to buy a new mouse
>>109232810>Sensor bugs, occasionally stops tracking, random battery drain ....i dont use wireless because its a meme could be that, i dont wanna have to charge m mouse
>>109232796yeah, it's somewhere on the pensioner isle, don't forget your reading glasses to be able to find it
It's the same papi, you just fell for the anti-chinese propaganda.
>>109233162>samethey're miles better and they don't hide the fucking specs like those fucking jews at logishit or whereverif chinks didn't start churning out these spec monsters you can bet your sorry ass that logitech and other bigshits would still use those dogshit switches that start double clicking after a 6-12 months>hurr just solder new switchesBlow it out your ass, faggots>t. 8k polling wireless lightweight ergo mouse with optical switches and insane battery life for ~60€ (ATK Y9 ultimate)jews would never
>>109233246implessive
>>109232681>but the quality is not the same.lmao. i had numerous logitech and razer mouses, they were all shit when it come to quality/durability. the best mouses i had so far: Microsoft 1.1, 1.1se, 3.0, 3.0 (modern).great ergonomic, great durability. 1.1 had a known problem with wheelhouse click but easily fixable.people are asking too much for those online but lot of old tech shops still have stock of the OEMpackaged ones.ASUS spatha x. a very large mouse. ergonomic is okay but not great. super durable. switches can be hot-swapped.coolermaster 720mm.fantastic but not cordless otherwise i would still use it. there is a cordless model released bya korean brand but super hard to find (Xenics Titan GE AIR)G-Wolves HSK Prolooks weird at first but it's actually great and never had any problem with it.
>>109233162>It's the sameIt's not. They use good sensors and switches, but they can't write good firmware or use shitty controllers.So you end up with random tracking issues, disconnects, poorly implemented debouncing and missing clicks and so on.Only the absolute top tier chink mice perform reliably, but those are $80+. At that point you might as well buy a Logitech.
>>109232717>>109232703>>109232740I currently own over 30 gaming mice and have over 15k hours in various pc fps gamesas the resident no life in this thread, he is rightmost people are wristlets and light mice dont matter as much as you think after a certain pointsomething as simply as you being fat or overhydrated, can actually add more weight than the improvements on recent generations of gaming miceanything under 100 grams is fine and there is almost no practical performance difference between 70 and 40 grams if your wrist isn't weak as fuckthat is not to say that you should avoid lightweight micebut shape is king and comfort is your flow state conditionso if you simply just like the feel of momentum in your hand during a flick, forcing yourself to use the lighter mouse isn't worth itsame for LOD, grip, etc.basic gaming wrist exercise:1. stretch hands by placing flat on a wall and pulling back the fingertips until you notice a pinch, hold the position for 10 seconds, relax, wait 10 seconds, repeat 5 times for both sides of the handthen rotate hand in both directions in full motion, moving all parts of it5 mintues break2. take a hammer and spin it in a circular motion until slightly tired5 minutes break3. take the hammer and put it flat on a table, wrap the end in cloth so it doesn't scratch the desk, grab it similar yo how you would grab a mouse and flick back and forth - do not overextend during this exercise or you will hurt your wristif you feel your wrist becoming noticeably tired or if you feel pain, stop the exercise and do not repeat it until you have completely recovered (could be weeks)most effective aim exercise:point to point constant flicks are overrated, too much predictioninstead go like this: p1 -> p2, pause, p3 -> p4attempt the arrows as reflex flicks, interrupt them some of the timethis makes you think about one additional point at all timesPS: the best mouse I can recommend at this point: Waizowl Cloud XS
>>109233281You're a boomer who is out of touch with current tech.We're talking about modern lightweight wireless gaming mice. Very high DPI, very high polling rates, new batteries, wireless receivers and controllers ... all that shit is a challenge and most companies don't have the budget and skills to do it right.Chinks can clone a plastic shell to get the same shape and they can solder components together, but that's not enough.
>>109233246>8k polling>Choke your Ryzen 9 9950X in your pathWhy are they blindly copying Logitech feature just because they have it?
>>109232681>chinese gaming miceSo like every computer mouse manufacturer in the last 20 years
>>109233314>Very high DPI, very high polling rates,completely useless. when i was using the intellimouse 1.1 (400 dpi, 500hz), my perfs on kovaak didn't change (ranked top10 in many popular scenarios). Setting anything above 1000hz will just run out the battery faster for nothing.
>>109232681>Quality>RazerI bought only one (1) Razer mouse and it's broken. Sometimes it iust doesn't work/frozen after PC boot or restart. Apparently it's a global thing and happens on Windows too. Nice quality.
>>109233394>I bought only one (1) Razer mouse and it's brokenI bought 3 and they're all broken I'm on my 4th and I expect it not to work towards the end of the year.I think that's how you're supposed to use razer.
>>109233402i have 3 razers none broke. Ive had the same razer for over 5yrs not broken.
>>109233354Google "R&D", retard.
>>109233470>r&d>computer mouseTop kek
>>109233428which model are you using? gotta check that one out.
>>109232681I've noticed this with 8bitdo controllers
>>109232681>Logitech and Razer and shit, but the quality is not the same.Yeah, I've noticed that. After months my Chinese ATK mouse still has functional mmb and wheel doesn't change scrolling direction by itself compared to logishit
>>109233507naga, Basilisk naga v2 pro, and viper wired. The basilisk i used for a long af time then switched to the naga still use both one for my laptop one for my pc.
>>109232681I used to use their G305 clone, then I went back to the real one because I hated having to charge the thing.Shame there are more or less no other mice that use AA batteries these days. I much prefer spending 10 seconds switching a battery every 3 months than babysitting and charging it like once a week like it's a damn phone.
>>109232820people mentioning mouse weight for rsi are dumb rsi is about the angle of your wrist, for both keeb and mouse is very unnatural, most people also dont get it
>>109232681I go through 1-2 G502 mice per year, Logitech is the same Chinese crap as the knockoffs.Only mouse that doesn't give me hand cramps after extended use so I'm stuck with it.
How's my wrist /g/?
Why does $10 office mouse manage to have fully functioning mouse wheel while the wheel on the gayming mouse stops registering one month in?
>>109232703lightweight mice feel pretty goodyou dont want the mouse to have any momentum moving on the padits all pretty inane though most people arent even close to good enough for something like that to matterthe tech for mice now days is way better than the premium mice back in the early 2000s. people jusit wanna consoom shit and pretend it will make them better. its a very minor improvement over a long period of time.>t. unc who is decent at fps games
>>109233650>once a weekI plug mine on the charger once a month while I go take a shower and I've never ran out of battery
>>109233886planned obsolescence, would you buy a new mouse if your current one still worked perfectly? they design them to fail . logitech mouse especially are prone to breaking scrollwheels
>>109232681>logikek>quality
>>109233315yeah idk they say you need 240hz monitor minumum for 8k for some reason, I'm not retarded so I just use it at 1k and get over 2months of battery out of it
>>109233306>PS: the best mouse I can recommend at this point: Waizowl Cloud XS>$95.99impressive. very nice. I'm gonna stick with the chinese clones
>>109233639I thought this is only me. 3 Superlights (2 the newer USB-C model), all with broken wheels. Fuck them. Went with a Razer Cobra hyperspeed as it promised an optical encoder.
>>109234242my deathadder v4 has the new optical scroll wheel and it broke, but I abused the scroll wheel heavily bunnyhopping/playing kz maps but it still died too quick. I tried disassembling it and cleaning it completely but it didn't help. I'm not sure wtf happened but good luck try to keep it clean but its not immune
>>109234281Damn :( Starting to think they are made on purpose like this.
>>109232681>quality not the same as Logitech and RazerI would certainly hope not!
lighter weight does matter but I'm glad that honeycomb mouse meme shit is over bought one never again
>>109232703I remember my old Logitech G5 would come with add on weight pelletsLiterally Apple being bipolar about whether humans want smaller phones or larger phones and sheep just follow and consooom
>>109234239it is basically an exact steelseries kinzu clone with a matte coatingI would rate the coating better than the logitech superlight, but worse than zowies coating (I have the red version, not sure if it matters)while not as artistically finetuned as zowie mice, it comes with an essentially flawless sensor, 8khz receiver, weighing 46g (lighter than the finalmouse ultralight 2 cape town and that had horrible build quality)included are also 3 different sets of skates to apply depending on what shape you prefer, as well as grip tapethe clicks are very lightweight and the software works ok (use the online driver and make sure to turn off motion sync)the build quality is very solid for the weight and creaking is extremely minimaldo note the battery doesnt last as long as the superlight as that would add extra weight, in my experience it is good for about 2-3 days of usage at a timethe larger version, the cloud, is essentially a clone of the steelseries senseiI just wish there were glossy coated versions
>>109232681>get myself for years major brand mice>non optical buttons survive max a year>non optical encoders start to jump after three months>eventually get myself a chinese mouse that's not 30 bucks and has optical switches and encoder>after over a year it's still holding togetheridk maybe don't purchase the absolute cheapest shit
>>109236210the 502 still has add on weights
>>109234172ive had a g500, g400, two g502, mx master3 and the scrollwheel didnt break on any of them in years of use
>>109232681Looks like super cheap chink trash.
>>109233367at very high sensitivities low dpi will lead to skipped anglesbut yes performance wise it doesn't make a difference outside of thatthough some people complain about it being more jittery>>109236333don't gap tap your mouse buttons, press them, they will last longer>>109236390502 is a handicap mouse for retardseveryone who searches "gaming mouse" on amazon and buys that crap stays trash foreverweights were a terrible old and retarded trend>>109236419zowie ec2b or vaxee zygen np01>>109234242razer is trash and you should have stopped buying superlights after the first one broke
>>109236476>zowie ec2b or vaxee zygen np01>not even 3rd thumb buttonyou have super shit taste my girl
>>109236490the keyboard has enough buttonswhy would you destroy your aim device for thumb buttons?
>>109236511>aim device
>>109232681>Logitech>Razer>qualitylol, lmao evenbest mouse I've owned so far is a shitty ANUS mouse
>>109236419I do a lot of CAD work and MMB/scroll is fundamentally fucked on a lot of mice because it sticks out too much. it's supported on one side and the other side pushes the microswitch. When you pan the view in CAD it applies rotational moment to the switch and false triggers.The G400 has this crappy plastic bezel and the scroll wheel is indented so it's more resistant.There's also the separate issue where the optical fucker gets fucked up over time.pic related, on the right you see the protruding mouse button that's guaranteed to trigger on side force and fuck you
>>109236625if youre a caveman, just unbind the left/right button on the scrolwheel
>>109232681I own an mchose mouse and it's the best mouse I've ever owned at an incredible price. Fantastic build quality and state of the art sensor. After switching to Chinese products (including IEMs) you realize that western companies charge half the price just for the product name.
>>109236648You misunderstand in an even stupider way than what I was expecting.1. when I press and hold the MMB to pan the view, the lateral force to accelerate the mouse is applied at the top of the penny-farthing-ass mouse wheel, so this results in false clicks due to physics. Has nothing to do with accidentally pushing the MMB.2. No side MMB on any of these miceIn CAD the MMB mouse click and MMB hold are two separate things, you never experience this in Wangblows. Closest is, if u were playing quake and MMB hold was mouse look, MMB click was rail gun fire. If you tried this you would realize the absolute level of fucked up that the MMB is on practically all mice (due to the pivot and basic physics)
>>109236790the cad i use utilises shift and alt for viewer manipulation
>>109236796yeah I have to re-bind my mouse buttons. The point is, this is due to the failure of engineering and mouse design, and has nothing to do with my biomechanical capability to exert the correct force. It's literally just due to all mice being fucked up. Especially the modern ones. (My G400 works fine.)Literally they ought to fix this fucking shit. It's because they are idiots and few require the MMB to work correctly.
>>109236834dunno, works on my machinei use press and hold mmb thousands of times a day for browser navigation
>>109232681I got this.been working flawless for me.>ergo shape>3395 sensor>driver has all the functions I need like changing LOD to 1mm or sleep timenothing to complain about. guess a nitpick is dpi button on the bottom of it, but I just reach around with my ring finger.
>>109236839Because you're not sideways accelerating the mouse with browser navigation. The pivot is horizontal so it triggers the switch on sideways acceleration. And your browser doesn't care even if it does a false click. It just goes back to scrolling. On CAD it cancels selection or exits menu. Also you're not moving your mouse as fast as you would when panning a view (fixed movement pattern)
>>109236885How often do you change your DPI? And you can probably remap it to something else.
>>109237015when I play I switch between 800 1000 and 1200 sometimes.you could remap it but I don't want to lose any other buttons.if I were to make this mouse perfect id add a button above and below the scroll wheel, and make wheel tilt sideways clicks as well.
Mice are a solved problem. The build quality of western brands is so shit these days there's literally no reason to purchase them anymore. They survive off brand recognition and pure momentum alone, much like their vehicles.
CHINA BAD RUSSIA BADBEST MICE IS AMERICAN
>>109237074True. At this point I refuse to buy anything before checking if there's a Chinese brand that makes a product that's just as good for half the price.
>>109232703>why yes, I have a negative k/d and dogshit accuracy in every shooter I play, how could you tell?
>>109232681>>109232694>>109232703>>109232717>>109232740i dont have to worry about this cause my mouse is made of carbon fiber btw
>>109237456everybody is so bad at aiming regardless of what mouse they use that it doesnt really mattertenZ said too light of a mouse is bad and i can understand why after using a zaunkoenig but at the same time idgaf if its 10 grams too light
>>109237655Yes, too light of a mouse is bad for stability and durability and there's obviously diminishing returns the lighter you go. But acting like a 80g mouse is the same as a 50g mouse is peak shitter mindset. It's far easier to aim with the 50g mouse once you get used to it. The only people who think mouse weight is about some retarded strength issue have either never used anything outside of the g502 they bought 10 years ago or are bottom of the barrel shitters who couldn't aim to begin with (usually both)
>>109237693somewhere too close to 99% of people tense up their wrist to aim instead of having no tension at all and it makes them have no accuracy
>>109237647Post yours
>>109232681What are talking about? Logitech and Razer are shit
>>109238396
>>109238839Based, you weren't lying. Wish I had one of the glossy m3ks, but I don't like using it anyways because of how harsh the scroll wheel is (it literally hurts my finger after a while). I've got the Blade II coming in the mail soonTM so I can actually go back to using reasonably weighted mice. Currently on the op1 8k which is probably my favorite shape ever. One thing I noticed with sub 30g mice is that I don't have to do wrist stretches or gyro ball or other preventative maintenance for my elbow and wrist as much. What pad are you using right now? Cloth pads look so dirty after switching to glass kek.
>>109233306Logitech g520 is cheaper how is that better, in real world use not specs.
>>109232783Are you black?
>>109238972its a Zowie GS-Ri put it in the washing machine because its high quality enough to survive
>>109233306Lmao 30 fucking gaming mouse. Zoomers holy fuck just like I said here >>109232780Fucking soulless
>>109232681Because they are cheap.>but the quality is not the sameIt's often made in the same factory.The best part is they don't force you to install some shitty software, just open a web page, configure your mouse, and that's it.
>>109237015I use my DPI button to pause/play music, and I just fucking hate this new trend of not having a DPI button next to a scroll wheel.Feels like buying a troonified keyboard without a numpad
>>109240301Web software for hardware is the best development in tech history.
>>109240301>just open a web page, configure your mouse, and that's it.That's horrible. I don't want to connect to some server just to change mouse settings.
>>109240350What's better, running proprietary software with admin privileges on your PC?
>>109240381Yes. At least I can run it offline or in a VM.
>>109232694>Stop scrollingDon't worry, if they have a Chinese mouse, the low quality scroll wheel mechanism will make that happen soon enough.
>>109240381Also, admin privileges are usually not required for such software. The installer might ask for it, but you can extract it and run it anyway.
>>109240381Unironically yes. When that web page inevitably goes down, those mice will be impossible to configure. The software will keep working so long as you keep the installer or can obtain a copy from the Internet Archive.
>>109240350You do it once and forget about it, the config is save in your mouse's memory.>>109240390>>109240410You can download the web page and run it offline
>>109240410aren't most current installers connecting straight to a server and requiring you to login to do anything?
>>109240552>You do it once and forget about it, the config is save in your mouse's memory.Good but maybe your use case changes and you need to change the config later. >You can download the web page and run it offlineIf this actually works, good. But can I find out before buying the mouse whether it's going to work that way, or insist on dynamically loading some crap from a live server when it connects to the mouse?
>>109240390>>109240410You guys are the same people who think the web image converters download your image and do the server-side conversion.God I fucking hate boomers.
>>109240390MCHOSE lets you download their software or use the web version.
>>109240574All depends what's being converted. Simple image format converters, of course not. Pdf to Word converters for instance do seem to be server side though.And either way when the website goes away, it's gone unless a saved copy works, but let's face it you didn't save it.
>>109240552>You can download the web page and run it offlineYes, but it's annoying. You need to use wget with the right commands and then run it with a local webserver.>>109240567Not at all. I think Razer tried something like that in the past, but then they walked back on it when people freaked out.Logitech memory manager works offline. No admin needed either.
did you notice how long the big brands spent shitting out overpriced mice with garbage, double-clicking omron switches? meanwhile chinese brands were selling affordable alternatives with non double-clicking optical switches or Kailh switches that last much longer before they start to double click. then, a few years later, the big brands suddenly decided to catch up. I noticed
i bought one of the vxe mice. Thanks china for making good quality affordable peripherals. I will continue to buy Chinese hifi, keyboards, mousepads and now mice
>>109233886I've noticed that gaming mice wear out quick as fuck whereas a generic office mouse lasts decades.Doesn't help that a bunch of gaming mice makers uses switches that are only good for 5million clicks when it would literally cost 2-3c to use a switch that'll last 50m.
>>109233394I have 2 razer mice and they are fine. I just can't stand the flashing rgb lights that you can't turn off without installing their shitty software so I am using a different mouse
>>109233886Some gaming mice have optical scroll wheels, which means there's less physical wear.
>>109234199its true k120 + B100 is widely accepted
>>109240410Weird thing to worry about when it's just USB protocol, ai can reverse engineer that stuff and make software for it in one prompt
>>109240741https://github.com/openrazer/openrazer
The best way to avoid rsi is to spend your childhood being physically active and lifting weights and doing sports in your teens to build up the thickness and strength of your tendons. Only sickly skinny fat sedentary goycattle are at risk of rsi.
>>109240381>OMG I'd never click allowBut your mom would let everyone
>>109240724I've never experienced any of that. What the fuck are you retards doing to your mouse. The only mouse that ever was annoying and a bit disappointing was my zowie fk the original yellow and I loved that fucking mouse and it got the double click shit and ever since then never gaming mouse I've owned has been shit. The og zowie yellow fk was the best shape best everything . the fk1 sucked ass
>>109232681my naga pro with swappable sideplates has been working for like 6 years now. i dont need more
>>109242207Where do I find a chatbot that I can grant access to a USB device I have plugged in and watch it reverse engineer it? I have several old devices that have become useless because the software for them doesn't work on current versions of Windows.
>>109232681Where are the innovations? I want an unholy combination of an mx master and g600
