I am looking into purchasing a used vehicle, and I am looking for one with an easy enough ability to remove tracking features sending my car's usage data and GPS monitoring back to the manufacturer (if I need to be charged just to use a built in GPS module I don't want them seeing where I am for free either). Issue is I'm reading that a lot of vehicles will have their Bluetooth capabilities rendered completely dysfunctional if the telemetric control unit is removed. A Nissan Versa I was looking at is an example of a vehicle that seems to be unable to connect to Bluetooth devices in that condition. I'm interested in decent budget car brands where this isn't a problem if removed, and I can continue to use my phone as a Bluetooth source for the speakers. I also understand that removing the TCU may no be enough to prevent phoning home and that removing the antennas to a vehicle, internal or external, may also be warranted to prevent the dealership from phoning home. How important is this in the process?I welcome any and all discussion to forward knowledge and experience on maintaining privacy and removing spyware from modern cars.
>>109242505Buy a car so old that it doesn't have anything more complicated than a basic ECU.
>>109242530This is the easiest, just throw aftermarket bluetooth speakers in an old car.
>>109242505You have to understand the vehicle in question.>>109242530Also this. Get two of the same old car, or at least same platform.
It's doubtful to me that everything will stop working if the telemetry is stopped (without damage), there are legitimate times where the car just wouldn't have LTE signal it should be designed to tolerate. Like other anons say the "easiest" way is just not to get a modern car. But assuming you do, the realistic option is disabling the antenna. The difficult part with that is that all of these things will be contained in some tiny module somewhere and LTE antennas can fit on a tiny PCB. If you somehow find that PCB (my guess is it's probably in the same place as the FM antenna on the top of the car) it would be risky to just cut it (RF without a load can fry the circuit), you might need a dummy load or find a way to cage it so RF doesn't get through. You could trim the pcb a tiny bit to detune it so attenuation is enough to make it nonfunctional, but also not enough to trip whatever circuit is hooked up to it.
>>109242505Assuming you don't get a satisfactory answer here, or on /o/, narrow down your choices to a few models and then go find their matching forum. I would imagine you'll find threads on the subject.
>>109242549>>109242547>>109242530unfortunately, my autoloan seems contigent on a vehicle manufactured in the last 8 years. I may get a better loan offer from a dealership but I cannot imagine myself having this option. I should have said outright, pardon. Now, what if I bought a car who's BT would just not work by removing the TCU but then replacing that BT module or speaker set? I'm speaking on things I don't know, I've had a friend replace his car's radio, is what I'm proposing so different? Or would the TCU screwing over the audio system be a problem no matter what I have installed? I read mentionings of bypassing but I don't know about that process either.
>>109242599The "audio system" is just wires going to speakers. You can replace it with whatever you want, this is what people who install gigantic 18 inch subwoofers in their car do. They just wire their own stereo and amp to the car's battery and run wires to their own speakers. Nothing stopping you from doing it with the stock speakers and your own receiver.If the tracking and bluetooth are disabled but stuff like FM or AUX work, then just use a widget that goes through those, with the head unit + amp option being a last recourse if you absolutely need media in your car.
>>109242599>>109242623Also you said loan but if you get something on lease, the ignition probably has its own tracking. Auto leases want to keep track of their lessees in case they skip. They're supposed to remove these at the termination of the lease (if it's lease-to-own) but in practice this never happens. In the meantime they will probably notice if your car goes offline.
>>109242599>auto loansJust get a car without a navigation system retard.
>>109242683If there is any trim level that offers nav or onstar, the car will have a GPS module. Probably even if not.
>>109242599This is a giant pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing, I really couldn't say, you'll need to find the model you're going to buy and then check youtube and forums to see if there's any guides explaining how to gut the systems. Who knows what is where and what is wired to what. I have personally thought of researching this cause I will also be needing a new car soon but I've decided to just buy something from the 80s used in reasonable condition and skip all the bullshit. God forbid you buy some post 2021 car it will only be worse as you go up in years
>>109242623oh, there's no need for a management or middleman device? I work with amps and speakers all the time, as long as I can figure out how power is wired into the radio/BT I should be good to fuck around with it. >>109242637Right now I'm looking at a CUDL loan from a credit union, which looking up seems different from a lease, so I think I'm safe. What you're describing is the type where they killswitch you from starting your car if you skipped a payment or something, right? Heard of those, but doesn't seem to apply. >>109242592>>109242549Word, and you are correct- no two manufacturers or models always do it the same. I had my eyes on a Nissan Versa that looks really nice otherwise, but online people are saying disconnecting the TCU will cause a total audio system failure... now if that just means I need to connect and bypass the cables like above, than that shouldn't be an issue. I funnily enough have kept a couple of twist connectors in my old car.https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/how-to-stop-disable-nissans-data-reporting-how-you-drive-where-you-are-and-all-other-usery-information.1620/>>109242586Thank you. I read a little about that strategy, and even looked around to see what Versa users were doing about it. Apparently it's inside a panel that I need to remove, but I'm struggling to find the same forum explaining it. I'm not even sure if the radio antenna is the same antenna or not
>>109242505>maintaining privacy and removing spyware from modern cars.there's this thing called the police and satellites.
>I welcome any and all discussion to forward knowledge and experience on maintaining privacy and removing spyware from modern cars.
>>109242505If youre just now thinking of this, and not when OBD-II was introduced, youre either a faggot or a fed. Or both.>fuck bluetooth, use an aux cord from your headphone jack- you do have one, right?
>>109242878>>109242838just because someone puts an ounce of shit in my mailbox doesn't mean I am permitting a pound of it on my doorstep.
>>109242815>A Fucking Nissan>I turned it off by moving the touchscreen toggle, see?
>>109242944it means that you are a retard for thinking you can achieve any level of privacy in a vehicle. theres already a pound of shit in your pants.
>>109242878It's privacy from your insurance company dumbfuck.
>>109242979
Would you niggers get a car with keyless entry?
>>109242599>loanyou're already a slave
>>109244490I know, I kicked my dresser a few times in lament over that. I was THIS CLOSE to finishing my last contract before the accident.
>>109242505I don't have answers but I have one more question you should be asking: Is the head unit/touchscreen/radio thing connected to the same CAN bus as the car internals? Because if it is, software on it can be compromised either through the car's cellular connection or through your connected phone, and anything compromised on the main CAN bus could for example, set throttle to full and disable the brakes.
>>109242505Who cares. Imagine killing a thread in the catalog for this boring thread. Just buy an old car.
>>109243035>privacy from the entity you submit your registration, vin, identification, and driving history to, and also knows if you ever get so much as a parking ticket
>>109245502Yeah, turns out they also want to buy your driving habits from the dealership if you're dumb enough to let them.
>>109245502so you're cool if they see you get angry at a guy who cut you off causing you to slam on the brakes and charge you more for 'unsafe driving'?
>>109245596just maintain a safe following distanceretard
>>109245603Nobody does this since adaptive cruise control. All the computers want to ride up your asshole.
>>109242505This is the problem with people today. You don't understand that cars haven't changed hardly at all since the 90's. Fuel injection was the biggest upgrade to cars at that time (and maybe high strength steel in the A pillars with better crumple zones and air bag deployment). Everything now is a glorified appliance. It does not help the user. They remove obvious shit like buttons for changing climate controls. They put everything in a fucking screen for retards. They treat everyone like a baby with an Ipad. Also most cars now are becoming unrepairable. Plastic in everything. Coolant hoses are plastic. They degrade. Everything breaks and costs a fortune to fix. Just stay with something older and add whatever feature you need with aftermarket.
>>109244478no. starter button will break. and good luck replacing your key fob for 900 dollars with programming. people have become so dumb.
>>109242586a lot of the recent cars have more than 1 antenna though. often the second one is hidden in the dash so you would have to dismantle the dash to get to it. they make it as difficult as possible to get to it. in addition they incorporate this signal into other features so if you disable it you disable your radio and climate settings. there's a reason they do this, and all of it is selling your data. they make a lot of money selling peoples info.
